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14 years ago

Option 2 and see what happens.

Just lay it out on the table.

Politely state that this is not encouraging you to keep promoting his product and why has he put it up. Will people subscribing have you affiliate link in it.

Quentin

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Cash37

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Quentin

Option 2 and see what happens.

Just lay it out on the table.

Politely state that this is not encouraging you to keep promoting his product and why has he put it up. Will people subscribing have you affiliate link in it.

Quentin

He can make the OP a special page without an opt in box on it. All you have to do is duplicate the product in Clickbank

Or if the OP really wants to he can clone the vendor's site on a new domain and, take the opt in box off.

...or he could clone the vendor's whole operation and make his own product

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bretski

14 years ago

Providing I have proof? WFT?! And I have had vendors tell me the same crap that I'm reading on this page....that the customer that I send to their page is cookied for 60 days blah blah blah and the first email that they get...and I know because I opted into their crap...is a preview version of their book with affiliate links in it.

I wouldn't be writing this if I wasn't speaking the truth! This topic has been done to death. Leaky sales pages is a topic that is like beating a dead horse...Is it stupid what vendors do? Probably not because they're still making money hand over fist.

I busted one vendor out just last night and yes, she changed her sales page. Do I think she'll change it back. Probably... so what am I going to do? I'm not going to promote any of her 5 products and redirect the traffic that was going to her pages to another product. Why? Because I don't trust her.

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Chris Thompson

14 years ago

Dude - it sounds like you need to start promoting products of people that you trust or MAKE YOUR OWN PRODUCTS.

I use an optin on my Clickbank sales page and I'd be pretty offended if someone said that I was trying to screw my affiliates. My entire autoresponder series is aimed at selling my product. I give away great content so people want to buy the product. It's simple. If you see a vendor slap an opt-in form on the page that you promote then go OPT IN TO THE BLOODY LIST and see for yourself if you like what he's doing.

Either:

1) You'll make more sales
2) He's dishonest and replacing your cookie with another (in which case do what wags said)
3) He is using the list up front to promote other stuff, in which case you should email the guy and tell him how you feel (his AR series isn't helping affiliates)
4) He has an autoresponder series that is just not any good, in which case you can offer suggestions from your perspective on how to fix it.

If the vendor has any experience then #1 is the most common situation.

Look at Mike Geary's Truth About Abs site. He uses an opt-in and I am on his list. The whole series is worth following. He gives away great value and it helps convert people. Yet, after a while, he starts to promote other stuff. That's totally FINE because he spends the first several weeks only sending out promotions that help AFFILIATES.

Obviously if I build a list I do my best to convert that list into sales of the lead product. But yes, later, I expect to monetize the list from other stuff. That's normal.

Originally Posted by bretski

Providing I have proof? WFT?! And I have had vendors tell me the same crap that I'm reading on this page....that the customer that I send to their page is cookied for 60 days blah blah blah and the first email that they get...and I know because I opted into their crap...is a preview version of their book with affiliate links in it.

I wouldn't be writing this if I wasn't speaking the truth! This topic has been done to death. Leaky sales pages is a topic that is like beating a dead horse...Is it stupid what vendors do? Probably not because they're still making money hand over fist.

I busted one vendor out just last night and yes, she changed her sales page. Do I think she'll change it back. Probably... so what am I going to do? I'm not going to promote any of her 5 products and redirect the traffic that was going to her pages to another product. Why? Because I don't trust her.

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Loren Woirhaye

14 years ago

Tell him the truth: that he's alienating good affiliates.

He's probably just thinking of his own benefit (which everybody does)
and not seeing accurately how his choice affects affiliates
and deprives them reward for their efforts.

Of course he can instigate tracking to protect the affiliate
commissions but it's a little technical and chances are his opt-in
will turn-off new affiliates.

He has to know how you feel. Perhaps you can work out a deal
with him where you promote a special version of the salesletter
without the pop-up.

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Bryan Zimmerman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JJMoney1

Well, I'm with you. I don't like promoting sales pages where there is an opt-in. I feel like if I'm going to send my hard-earned traffic to an opt-in then I should be the one getting the leads.

Then why don't you send them to your own opt-in box first and then on to the sales page? I actually like it when a product owner has an opt-in box on the sales page. It shows me that they are going to continue to follow up with that lead and increase my chances of getting a sale.

Are their some people out there that will override your tracking link? Sure there are, but why not test your conversions with what you have now and see the difference first? Most people are not going to risk good affiliates by doing this because they know if they ever get caught, they will lose every affiliate for that product and every other product out there.

Building leads is a huge part of a business, you can't knock the product owner for wanting to build a customer base for their products.

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CarloD. 14 years ago

I would contact and ask if he can set you up with a landing page that does not include the opt in box.

Most vendors will do this for an affiliate that is serious about making sales, it will only make him and you more money... that and he could just copy the page and remove the opt in box. so not much work required.
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- Okane 14 years ago
  
  How do you make more sales?
  
  (A) Sales pitch and sales button.
  
  (B) Sales pitch and opt-in form to get a free report. Then, send multiple emails that pitch the product from different angles, each with a call to action (+scarcity).
  
  The only problem I see is if the vendor promotes products in the autoresponder sequence that do NOT generate commissions for the affiliate who sent the traffic. That would be lame, indeed.
  
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Will Edwards

14 years ago

I was recently contacted by an affiliate who asked to to put an opt-in on my sales page. So it just goes to show that not everyone shares your view.

Personally, I don't think you should worry too much about whether he has an opt-in or not; what you should be concerned with is how he is monetising you traffic. A good way to evaluate this is on your earnings per click.

If a vendor with an opt-in is making you twice as much from the same amount of traffic as a vendor who does not have an opt-in, who would you wish to promote? Of course, you need to answer for yourself, but that is the criteria I would be looking at.

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barbling

14 years ago

I am rather confused - if there's an optin box that convinces the customer to buy at a later date and uses the affiliate cookie that was placed on the computer....what is the problem? The sale has more of an opportunity to get made.

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ikelove 14 years ago

Thank you very much for all your input!
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Tymarkinc

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ikelove

So I was working on moving my static review site over to Wordpress and decided to check out the sales page and found out its owner decided to put an opt-in box. The site is: www.manifesting-abundance/go

It sucks because I put a lot of time into promoting the product so this seems like a slap in the face. I mean, does the guy even remember that he has affiliates?

I read about the newbie mistake of promoting products with opt-in pages, however with me, when I first decided to promote the product, it wasn't there. I didn't think that this would happen to me.

What should I do? I was weighing a couple of options:

1) Cut my losses and just go on to promote an entirely new product as there are many in the Law of Atrraction niche. The whole thing is that I've started to build a list (alhtough it is still small) and won't they find it funny if they go to my review page and find that I've now switched to an entirely new product making the same claims?

Plus, I've heard other IMers tell me here that the sales page sucks. It's just that I decided to continue promoting it because a) I didn't want to make the classic newbie mistake of jumping from one thing to the other. The product has made some sales, so I figured I see the whole project to its logical conclusion where I get on top of google (almost there), build list, and most important of all, use this as a whole learning experience about IM.

2) Contact the creator of the product and explain to him the situation. I've been in touch with him before and he seems pretty cool. We've began to build a rapport. How would you approach the creator of the product you're an affiliate for in a situation like this?

Thank you very much,

Ike

Opt in with your affiliate link and see where the sales page takes you and get that address. send your traffic there. (Make sure that your affiliate link is still attached to the session)

If you want that opt in, make your own squeeze page and then send your opt-ins pass his squeeze page. You could actually copy his entire squeeze page and clone it...but that's a different discussion.

You can't really fault the vendor for wanting to capture leads, it's WE as affiliates that need to get creative.

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HarveyDanger

14 years ago

I would go with option #2. If he is trying to build good relationships, it would be stupid of him not to comply. If he refuses to take it down, I would just refuse to promote his products in the future, if enough IMers do that he wont have a future in IM.

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ShaneBoyd

14 years ago

I thought this was common practice really. YOUR visitor has a cookie placed on their computer for like 90 days.

The vendor you are an affiliate for probably has an auto responder series 20 messages deep or greater. Your sale could be made on #12 of his auto responder series, in which you still get paid.

I wouldn't worry to much about it.

But what do I know? I'm no guru.

Peace,

Shane

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Why do people get so bent out of shape about opt in boxes?

People...it's not rocket science.

1. Prospect goes to sales page via YOUR affiliate link that drops cookie in
HIS computer.

2. Prospect opts into vendors AR series.

3. Vendor follows up with prospect giving him MORE chances to close the
sale.

4. Prospect buys and YOU get credit because of cookie on PC.

What is it about this process that people either don't get or find so
FUBAR?

People, those followups are making YOU sales. In fact, one of my BEST
performing affiliate promotions is a product where the only way the
prospect even gets to see the sales page is if they cough up their email.

I've made THOUSANDS from this product.

Folks, wake up and join the 21st century.

The ONLY way this can bite you on the ass is if the vendor is unethical
and bypasses the cookie system with some private links.

But...there is an EASY way to find this out.

When you make your promotion, offer a bonus to anybody who buys
through YOUR link. Tell them to just email you their receipt and you'll
provide the bonus.

You will then see how many sales you DIDN'T get credit for.

You can then confront the vendor on the issue.

But don't automatically assume that these vendors are out to screw you.

If you were promoting one of MY products (which nobody does) wouldn't
you want to know that I'm following up with these prospects to make YOU
sales?

Un-freaking-believable

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bretski 14 years ago

I know that I don't even bother promoting anything that has a vendor opt-in on the sales page. I did the preselling and if I want a customer on anyone's list it's going to be mine where I have the ability to overwrite cookies...and if you think that vendors don't do this then you are quite niave. There are even vendors who have links on their pages that offer the customer "take a look at a sample chapter" and on that page are links with a CB affid....so you tell me that there aren't vendors out there that won't overwrite your cookies...pfft!!!!

I don't promote products with opt-ins or where a vendor pushes another product on their page either. Plain and simple...they don't convert for crap in my experience...

I would name names but it is against WF rules...it is just sad that there are newbies that promote these product, become frustrated and then drop out thinking that affiliate marketing doesn't work....
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bretski 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

But don't automatically assume that these vendors are out to screw you.

Wags...respect you a lot, man, but there are vendors out there that ARE screwing affiliates.
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- jorgesil 14 years ago
  
  Hi All
  
  I got a site in a specific topic and a few days ago I was looking in the clickbank marketplace for a related product to offer in my site.
  
  Found a related product that looks good and it got a lot of affiliates promoting it,but
  it got an optin box in the sales page.
  
  What I did was optin to the vendor list to see when he/she send an email if my affiliate ID
  comes on it.
  
  When I got their follow up email the URL was for their sales page,I went ahead clicked in the order button in the sales page to see if because of the suppost "cookie" I'll get credited with the sale.
  
  You know what, in the clickbank order page the status are "Affiliate=NONE"
  
  Now for the posters that said "Don't worry with the optin box you still get credited"
  could you explain how?
  
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- Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by bretski
  
  Wags...respect you a lot, man, but there are vendors out there that ARE screwing affiliates.
  
  Then for crying out loud, call then out on it!
  
  Blog about them. Show the proof.
  
  Do you have any idea how fast things travel on the Internet these days?
  
  You can literally destroy somebody's reputation (providing you have proof)
  in a heartbeat with the tools available.
  
  If they're doing what you say, then they're doing it and getting away with it
  because nobody is doing a f*****g thing about it.
  
  I have a site where I blow the whistle on a ton of people and don't give
  a rat's ass whose feathers I ruffle.
  
  If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.
  
  Call these SOBs out and they'll either stop or lose all their affiliates.
  
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- Tom B Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by bretski
  
  Wags...respect you a lot, man, but there are vendors out there that ARE screwing affiliates.
  
  That has nothing to do with a optin. That is just stupidity at work.
  
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- Black Hat Cat Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by bretski
  
  Wags...respect you a lot, man, but there are vendors out there that ARE screwing affiliates.
  
  Of course there are. He didn't say otherwise. That doesn't mean all, or even most are. The ones who are are the ones who apparently like making less money.
  
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Don Schenk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

1. Prospect goes to sales page via YOUR affiliate link that drops cookie in
HIS computer.

2. Prospect opts into vendors AR series.

3. Vendor follows up with prospect giving him MORE chances to close the
sale.

4. Prospect buys and YOU get credit because of cookie on PC.If you were promoting one of MY products (which nobody does) wouldn't
you want to know that I'm following up with these prospects to make YOU
sales?

One of the more popular anti-virus-anti-everything software, Norton Anti-virus takes out tracking cookies placed on people's computers.

It notifies the user first with a serious warning page, then lets the user choose whether or not they want Norton A-V to "fix" the problem of these nasty tracking cookies.

Much of the buying public gets spooked, and lets A-V remove the cookies.

Hmmm. There goes your future commission. You didn't cause the problem, the vendor didn't cause the problem, the potential customer did.

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Kevin AKA Hubcap 14 years ago

I know this isn't one of "those" threads but no matter what happens the product developer gets paid.

As we've seen not so for the affiliate.

Just a thought.
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ikelove

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Why do people get so bent out of shape about opt in boxes?

People...it's not rocket science.

1. Prospect goes to sales page via YOUR affiliate link that drops cookie in
HIS computer.

2. Prospect opts into vendors AR series.

3. Vendor follows up with prospect giving him MORE chances to close the
sale.

4. Prospect buys and YOU get credit because of cookie on PC.

What is it about this process that people either don't get or find so
FUBAR?

People, those followups are making YOU sales. In fact, one of my BEST
performing affiliate promotions is a product where the only way the
prospect even gets to see the sales page is if they cough up their email.

I've made THOUSANDS from this product.

Folks, wake up and join the 21st century.

The ONLY way this can bite you on the ass is if the vendor is unethical
and bypasses the cookie system with some private links.

But...there is an EASY way to find this out.

When you make your promotion, offer a bonus to anybody who buys
through YOUR link. Tell them to just email you their receipt and you'll
provide the bonus.

You will then see how many sales you DIDN'T get credit for.

You can then confront the vendor on the issue.

But don't automatically assume that these vendors are out to screw you.

If you were promoting one of MY products (which nobody does) wouldn't
you want to know that I'm following up with these prospects to make YOU
sales?

Un-freaking-believable

End of rant

Steve:

I see your point now.
Hey, forgive me, I'm still new to all this.

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Tomwood

14 years ago

As long as he's tracking your link and your getting credit for any sales his follow up email generate where the problem?

Another point is this a lot of people seem to get confused over this issue and get put off by vendor with opt-in boxes. If this means less affiliate competing with you that's to your advantage

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Coby

14 years ago

I suggest creating your own product and then promote it to your list, This shouldn't look funny to your current subscribers. Plus you can start utilizing your own affiliates.

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Ashleydupray 14 years ago

OK I see everyones POV here.
I agree with steven and the other's but here is my question.

Some of you are saying hell no no way would I ever promote for someone that has opt-ins.

Well is it just me that noticed like the last 3 BIG launches Mike K, Mike F and others didn't it seem everytime you wanted to see the next video you had to opt in AGAIN seemed like almost every dang time.

And we all know every one and their brother's dog promotes for the Big Boys. So they must not have a problem with it......

So what is the general consensus
1) You would promote with a OPT-In form as long as you can see your link traveled to the home page
or
2) You wouldn't love to make this a poll.

I agree with Steve and call them on it if you think you are being hosed.
However I also agree that if an affilaite has a big lists and askes to not be directed to the opt in then they should give them there own link right to sales page.

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good2go4

14 years ago

I am sorry but I am also one of those people that don't believe that the squeeze page will allow the cookies to remain for your affiliate links - I have seen too many that don't. But I do agree with Steven that if you don't like it then something should be done about it and I think the OP had the right idea by approaching the vendor directly and explaining how he feels - it is what I would do and then I would base my decision on whether to continue to promote on what type of response I got.

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Istvan Horvath

14 years ago

Ask the vendor to implement this method to keep your aff id in the links even in his AR messages

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...salespage.html

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garyv

14 years ago

It's apparent that there's a lot of bad information floating around out here. And as a vendor you have to flow w/ the punches. With all of my new products, I provide the affiliate w/ a choice. It's easy enough for me to make one sales page with an opt-in and one without, and let the affiliate choose which one they'll promote. It's a fact that the affiliates that choose the opt-in page have a much higher conversion rate. But there are some affiliates that you just can't convince. So rather than cut them out of the equation, I just give them a separate page to promote. It's a win - win.

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ikelove

14 years ago

Okay, so I emailed the vendor and this is the reply I got:

Hi,

Anyone whom you sent through your affiliate link will be tracked when they land on my website.

You will get credited for any sales made even if they purchase later through the normal link or through email.

Regards,
XXXXXXXXXXXX

Sounds like a reasonable answer in line with what some of you said. Should I trust him?

Thanks once again for all your feedback.

Ike

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Istvan Horvath 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ikelove

Sounds like a reasonable answer in line with what some of you said. Should I trust him?

Ultimately, it always comes down to this. Trust.
Technically, it is possible what he said (even I gave a link to a solution in a post above).

The trust part only you can decide...
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garyv

14 years ago

You don't have to trust anyone. You can test it out for yourself. Sign up to his opt-in list and see if he over-writes your affiliate cookie. It's the only way you'll know for sure.

Just be sure that you know what you're doing. I've had affiliates in the past accuse me of over writing their cookie, only to find out that they had been surfing around doing keyword research before noticing that their cookie was gone. HELLO>>> If you're surfing around sites in the same niche, your cookie is going to be overwritten by other affiliates.

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ikelove

14 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

You don't have to trust anyone. You can test it out for yourself. Sign up to his opt-in list and see if he over-writes your affiliate cookie. It's the only way you'll know for sure.

Just be sure that you know what you're doing. I've had affiliates in the past accuse me of over writing their cookie, only to find out that they had been surfing around doing keyword research before noticing that their cookie was gone. HELLO>>> If you're surfing around sites in the same niche, your cookie is going to be overwritten by other affiliates.

How can you test to see if he overwrites my affiliate cookie? How would I know whether he's doing that or not?

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Lance K

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ikelove

How can you test to see if he overwrites my affiliate cookie? How would I know whether he's doing that or not?

Click through to the order page via the links in his email follow up. Assuming it's a clickbank offer, the affiliate ID will be shown at the bottom of the order page.

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jbsmith

14 years ago

As an affiliate marketer your only concern should be conversions...if your product creator does anything to reduce your conversions - then you need to contact him immediately and either work out a plan where he can continue to let you come in through the old way or you drop them...simple as that.

The fact is though when you are affiliate marketing, you are ultimately leaving control of your income to your product vendors, there is always a risk in doing so.

Here are 3 things you can do to lower that risk:

1. Use redirect links so that you can simply change an html file on your system to replace one vendor with another on all past marketing links you may have across your sites. Let's say you are an affiliate for autoresponder X and over the last year you have hundreds of links in articles, blog posts, social networking sites, etc... - if you use the direct affiliate link you are screwed - no way you can go back and change all of those if suddenly you need to recommend autoresponder Y. So instead, you use a redirect from an html page you own so that you can make one change centrally and all of those old links are redirected to the new vendor

2. Stick with large, successful and major vendors - I can't count the number of small-time vendors I used to act as an affiliate for way back when that up and disappeared one day taking owed commissions with them

3. Augment your affiliate income with your own products...don't rely 100% on affiliate commissions for your income, it is just too risky. I like at least a 50/50 balance between my own products (where I can leverage others to affiliate market for me!) and affiliate marketing.

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ikelove

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jbsmith

As an affiliate marketer your only concern should be conversions...if your product creator does anything to reduce your conversions - then you need to contact him immediately and either work out a plan where he can continue to let you come in through the old way or you drop them...simple as that.

The fact is though when you are affiliate marketing, you are ultimately leaving control of your income to your product vendors, there is always a risk in doing so.

Here are 3 things you can do to lower that risk:

1. Use redirect links so that you can simply change an html file on your system to replace one vendor with another on all past marketing links you may have across your sites. Let's say you are an affiliate for autoresponder X and over the last year you have hundreds of links in articles, blog posts, social networking sites, etc... - if you use the direct affiliate link you are screwed - no way you can go back and change all of those if suddenly you need to recommend autoresponder Y. So instead, you use a redirect from an html page you own so that you can make one change centrally and all of those old links are redirected to the new vendor

2. Stick with large, successful and major vendors - I can't count the number of small-time vendors I used to act as an affiliate for way back when that up and disappeared one day taking owed commissions with them

3. Augment your affiliate income with your own products...don't rely 100% on affiliate commissions for your income, it is just too risky. I like at least a 50/50 balance between my own products (where I can leverage others to affiliate market for me!) and affiliate marketing.

Jeff

Jeff:

That's not my headache because I cloak my affiliate link through a php file that just makes it look like a part of my site, mainly for the reason that I want my link to look "professional" and not like a BLATANT affiliate link, which I was taught that it turned off potential buyers.

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ikelove

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

Click through to the order page via the links in his email follow up. Assuming it's a clickbank offer, the affiliate ID will be shown at the bottom of the order page.

Wait, affiliate id's are shown on the bottom of order pages?