Frustrated with Article Marketing any advice?

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Hey warriors, okay I am VERY frustrated with article marketing. I have been trying to find a decent article submitter. I think the first one I was using cost about 25 bucks and claimed it was automatic but it wasn't and it really ate up about 6 months of teadious work. I just purchased Article Marketing Robot from Vince and this software claims it will submit to over 1000 sites. After creating accounts with all the sites I found that over 600 of the sites don't work or my submissions fail or something. It's so frustrating. I get it i need backlinks but it seems I cannot find a decent article submitter for NOTHING! I AM SO FED UP AND FRUSTRATED. It feels as if I am back at start all over again.....I just need one great article submitter that submits to the top 20 article sites and more. Any advice as to a great article submitter that really submits?
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  • If you just want to submit to the top 20 article sites, the best option is to do it manually.

    You'll save all the time you spend frustration, plus you can make the small personalisations to each article which bring in the real traffic.

    If that's too much, there are plenty of low cost outsourcing workers who can do that job, particularly if you have a large quantity of articles.

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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by impact-productions View Post

      If you just want to submit to the top 20 article sites, the best option is to do it manually.

      You'll save all the time you spend frustration, plus you can make the small personalisations to each article which bring in the real traffic.

      If that's too much, there are plenty of low cost outsourcing workers who can do that job, particularly if you have a large quantity of articles.

      Thom
      I completely agree. If all you're wanting to do is to submit to the top 20 article directories, it really isn't that time intensive. It doesn't sound like it'd be too much additional work, and if you start scaling up and writing a ton of articles every day, then your best bet would be to just outsource inexpensively at odesk (I like odesk for this kind of work, because you can monitor exactly what your workers are doing every single minute).

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      • Profile picture of the author ankitnagpal
        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

        I completely agree. If all you're wanting to do is to submit to the top 20 article directories, it really isn't that time intensive. It doesn't sound like it'd be too much additional work, and if you start scaling up and writing a ton of articles every day, then your best bet would be to just outsource inexpensively at odesk (I like odesk for this kind of work, because you can monitor exactly what your workers are doing every single minute).

        Paul
        but freelancers at odesk are quite expensive than freelancer.com. Try giving contract work at freelancer.com with payments after some good results. It is a lot cheaper way for SEO work.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by softsolutions View Post

          but freelancers at odesk are quite expensive than freelancer.com. Try giving contract work at freelancer.com with payments after some good results. It is a lot cheaper way for SEO work.
          True, but you won't really need the freelancer to work many hours for this particular task. In addition to that, while it may be slightly more expensive, you can easily account for every hour that they work on odesk, unlike elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Geoff101
    You wont find a program that will work 100% because Directories change code, which messes up the submitter.

    If you only want to submit it to 20 directories then do it manually.

    If you really want something very effective at this take a look at this winautomation.com. It's not readymade program but something that lets you make custom scripts that automate tasks such as submitting to directories.

    Ask them to make you a script that submits to directories. You will have to modify the script when directories change their algo.
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    • Profile picture of the author apatra
      directories change post as time goes on so the best thing to do is to go to Google search engine and then search for top 10 or 20 article directories but mostly the ezine article, go article and article base are the major ones but then search engines will give you other top article directories. after finding those top article directories then the best thing is to take up your precious time and submit your article to them manually than spending your hard earned money buying softwares that do deliver Little or nothing
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  • Originally Posted by tgfilegal23 View Post

    Hey warriors, okay I am VERY frustrated with article marketing. I have been trying to find a decent article submitter. I think the first one I was using cost about 25 bucks and claimed it was automatic but it wasn't and it really ate up about 6 months of teadious work. I just purchased Article Marketing Robot from Vince and this software claims it will submit to over 1000 sites. After creating accounts with all the sites I found that over 600 of the sites don't work or my submissions fail or something. It's so frustrating. I get it i need backlinks but it seems I cannot find a decent article submitter for NOTHING! I AM SO FED UP AND FRUSTRATED. It feels as if I am back at start all over again.....I just need one great article submitter that submits to the top 20 article sites and more. Any advice as to a great article submitter that really submits?

    How many articles are you planning to submit to the top 20 article directories per day? Per week? Per month?

    1 article submitted to 1 article directory using a preregistered author account = 5 minutes tops.

    That's all you need to know so you can hire someone to do this for you. If you have 50 articles per month published on your site first, then each submitted to the top 20 directories under an author account (1 article to all 20 directories using 1 author account), that'd just be 1000 submissions x 5 minutes = 5000 minutes or 84 hours / 20 days = 4 hours and 12 minutes per day, for 20 work days per month. That's a part time post.
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  • Profile picture of the author mitashseo
    Submitting your articles or links to hundreds and thousands of directories is a waste of time and money. The reason is simple: you don't get any user/search engine benefits doing so. There are only some article sites(between 10-20) that can benefit you. As said in the above replies better do them manually or hire someone if you have many articles to work on.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      The truth is that many of these article directories share content and also your chances of having your articles used by folks are better if you stick to the more popular article directories instead of blasting it out to 1000 directories all at once. Of course, this is my opinion and what I have found that works for me.

      I hand submit to about 10 places and that's it. From there I let nature take it's course...
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      • Profile picture of the author ShaneBoyd
        I hand submit to about 10 places and that's it. From there I let nature take it's course...[/QUOTE]

        I have to agree with bretski on this one. Here's where I submit my articles to...Top 25 Article Directories and Free Content Sites Ranked by Alexa and PageRank

        From there, I choose the 10 best and that's it. I've always been screwed when I used a "software" or "submission service".

        There's only one service I've used that I liked, but it cost $6 an article. The article went everywhere, but I couldn't really track which directory was the best.

        I've found that manual submission works out better.

        But what do I know?

        Peace,

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      • Profile picture of the author Coby
        Originally Posted by bretski View Post

        The truth is that many of these article directories share content and also your chances of having your articles used by folks are better if you stick to the more popular article directories instead of blasting it out to 1000 directories all at once. Of course, this is my opinion and what I have found that works for me.

        I hand submit to about 10 places and that's it. From there I let nature take it's course...
        This works for me too. I've found just focusing on EZA and goarticles does the job just fine for me. . . If other sites pick up your articles you will get backlinks.

        However, i used to use a service a lot that was like $6 and submitted to over 300 directories (i think). I think the site was 4submission.com? but I don't remember. . .

        Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
    Frustrated with Article Marketing
    Then I suggest you stop posting articles on other peoples sites. Turn your attention to your own site - post your articles there, and establish your site as an authority in its field.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      Originally Posted by shinggo View Post

      i see so it's better to do it manually if it's only 20 but isn't doing it manually very time consuming?
      I can post an article to 10 directories in 15 minutes by hand. There is a method to my madness, of course, and I have a routine that I use so the formatting comes out right and so I don't violate any TOS, such as no bold around hyperlinks or in resource boxes etc...

      I usually put a movie on or play some tunes and get in a zone of sorts...
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  • Profile picture of the author The Simpleton
    I understand your frustration. I've been trying to find a good submitter as well, but trust me (and all the other old members here) - it's much better to do it manually, as it delivers the best result. Sure, it eats up a lot of time but you can hire someone to do it for you or just find some spare time per day and do it yourself. It'll be totally worth it when you get all the traffic from those directories!
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  • Profile picture of the author flipfl0p
    Originally Posted by tgfilegal23 View Post

    After creating accounts with all the sites I found that over 600 of the sites don't work or my submissions fail or something.
    well that's a mess.. :') I don't wanna go that way loLl!

    My article mentor tought me few things that I will take seriously. Ezine articles is the top of the line article directory. Submit to them manually! NO EXEMPTION! They will bring you traffic and links as well.

    One more thing Submit only to 20 article directories top 50 max! that's it! the other directories of articles will just be deleted or not indexed in the next 6 months so why waste time on it?

    But if you would like to submit to TOP 50 article directories EVERYDAY you will be in need of some kind of software right?

    What I suggest is hire a programmer, elance, freelance outsource it. pay $100 for the software and you will have everything you ever wanted for an article submitter and no frustration for your part. But if the directories change some algorithm in their end or you want something added to the script, you will need to update your software.

    So stay in contact with your programmer pay $10-$30 for an update for your script then that's it. NO frustration of any kind! and it's yours
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  • Profile picture of the author patmaro
    Any feedback on Unique Article Wizard?
    Apparently it works well but would really appreciate feedback from the users of this forum
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    • Profile picture of the author chilote77
      I was under the impression that mass submission was quite useful for extensive backlinking?
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    • Profile picture of the author poppybaby
      Originally Posted by patmaro View Post

      Any feedback on Unique Article Wizard?
      Apparently it works well but would really appreciate feedback from the users of this forum
      I would like to say that I used (am using) DYA and not impressed yet. I have submitted 3 articles that I can only find in about 3 places each.
      I am not ragging on them yet, I would like to recommend them, but its been a month, the 1st article was submitted to 130 sites and still I can find it only on 3 or 4 sites, only 2 of them have anchor text links back to me.
      I had heard good things about UAW and might switch to them. But it more fits my personality to write them myself and submit them myself sitting all night with 5 windows open..
      I think starting with my original article on my own site then spinning it by 50% as I go to each article directory and changing my author box links as I go as well.
      Thanks. (but what do I know? I still have to work in an office from 8-5)
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      • Profile picture of the author James Hussey
        Originally Posted by poppybaby View Post

        I would like to say that I used (am using) DYA and not impressed yet. I have submitted 3 articles that I can only find in about 3 places each.

        I've found some really great reviews of submission tools and services at Affiliate Marketing And Seo Blog

        She's a fellow Warrior, and I've tried tools after reading her opinions. I'm happy I did. I've found UAW and ArticleRanks to be more than sufficient (though I've pared down to just ArticleRanks and Article Marketing Robot and really don't need others at this point - arguably, I only need one of those, but it's not expensive).

        I only mention it because Sandra at Content Attack mentions her experience with DYA and she wasn't favorable to them, either.
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  • Profile picture of the author jennypitts
    Originally Posted by tgfilegal23 View Post

    Hey warriors, okay I am VERY frustrated with article marketing. I have been trying to find a decent article submitter. I think the first one I was using cost about 25 bucks and claimed it was automatic but it wasn't and it really ate up about 6 months of teadious work. I just purchased Article Marketing Robot from Vince and this software claims it will submit to over 1000 sites. After creating accounts with all the sites I found that over 600 of the sites don't work or my submissions fail or something. It's so frustrating. I get it i need backlinks but it seems I cannot find a decent article submitter for NOTHING! I AM SO FED UP AND FRUSTRATED. It feels as if I am back at start all over again.....I just need one great article submitter that submits to the top 20 article sites and more. Any advice as to a great article submitter that really submits?

    Sorry to hear you are so frustrate. But sincerely speaking, I do not think the problem is Article Marketing itself, but rather the way you are approaching it. I think you NEED to focus your attention AWAY from the submitters. NOW, you will get an ARRAY of opinions in favor and against submitters. But my PERSONAL opinion is that they are, for the most part, junk. I rather invest my hard earned money in PAYING a REAL person to manually submit my articles. All I do is provide all of the pertinent information and pay them a minimal fee to submit them. It not only ends up being more economical but it also saves me the headache and stress of having to deal with software that it is NOT guaranteed to work well.

    You can take the advice or leave it. But I think that before giving up, or continue wasting money on useless software, you should try to hire someone to manually submit the articles for you. After all, it is worth a try.
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      • Profile picture of the author howinfo
        I have used and still use sometimes one of the Article Marketer services, Content Crooner or Distribute Your Articles. But this is just to get lot of one way backlinks. In addition to that you should still hand submit to top 10 - 20 article directories.

        If you do not want to have monthly subscription you can also use Isnare where you can pay per article. They are also very user friendly and have quite extensive article directory list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kingshouse
    I know you mentioned backlinks but why not send your articles to fast submit articles, they'll submit your articles to over 300 directories.

    The point I am trying to make is that not all directories are worth submitting to - not even for backlinks!

    Do some research and find out which ones are worth submitting to and spend your energy submitting to these.

    Quantity is not everything

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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by tgfilegal23 View Post

    Hey warriors, okay I am VERY frustrated with article marketing. I have been trying to find a decent article submitter.
    Please excuse me if I sound unsympathetic or dismissive in any way (which certainly isn't my intention in posting at all), but if the model of article marketing you're using is one which you feel will benefit from finding an "article submitter", to be honest I'm not terribly surprised that it's all rather a frustrating experience for you.

    There are other, different, better models of "article marketing" which don't depend on the automated submission of multiple copies of the same articles all over the place. This is really just backlink fodder, not "article marketing" as I understand the term, myself.

    I agree with JennyPitts and some others, above.
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  • Profile picture of the author Han Fan
    I totally understand your frustration...

    I too brought and tried many submission tools...
    MAR <==-- works when I 1st got it, now just sitting there...

    AMR <==-- still testing it out, but out 1000 sites, only 70 sites really what you need...

    Article Robot <==--- It sumbits, but you never know which link goes to live or get approved...

    Your alternative would be:

    1. go to odesk hire someone manually submit for you..

    2. Use blog network....

    My favorite one is UAW, because it's one of those old and tested network... my client and I get real results from it...

    I hope this help you out...

    Han Fan The Article Man..



    Originally Posted by tgfilegal23 View Post

    Hey warriors, okay I am VERY frustrated with article marketing. I have been trying to find a decent article submitter. I think the first one I was using cost about 25 bucks and claimed it was automatic but it wasn't and it really ate up about 6 months of teadious work. I just purchased Article Marketing Robot from Vince and this software claims it will submit to over 1000 sites. After creating accounts with all the sites I found that over 600 of the sites don't work or my submissions fail or something. It's so frustrating. I get it i need backlinks but it seems I cannot find a decent article submitter for NOTHING! I AM SO FED UP AND FRUSTRATED. It feels as if I am back at start all over again.....I just need one great article submitter that submits to the top 20 article sites and more. Any advice as to a great article submitter that really submits?
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
      I have used Post Article Robot myself. I personally love it, but you have to watch it.

      Each site has differing requirements, so you may end up trying to submit a 400 word article when the site requires 700. There are other various requirements that my be needed too, such as specific niches.

      This method worked well years ago, but is kinda cut and dry now. The best articles I have written still bring me traffic years later, and they were syndicated to other sites through Ezine Articles. Those articles, on other sites, do just as good (if not better) for traffic than the original articles did.

      The reason for this before was to do double duty, backlinks plus traffic. Now I would save this simply for backlinks. If you are looking for traffic (especially long term traffic) I would recommend that you focus more on Ezine Articles and maybe the top 5-10 others.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    I don’t like this tactic. I write original articles promoting my business since March of 2007. I submit them only to ezinearticles, and then to a few websites related to my main topics. Submitting articles to many article directories won’t really help you, as many other people have already mentioned here.

    Look for websites that accept article submissions from contributors. You’ll get traffic + a better website ranking. Look for websites with a high PR, of course, because they will help your ranking.

    However, do you write well?

    Success through article writing and marketing depends on so many things that you are really eluded if you imagine that you’ll solve your problem only by finding the right software.

    I’m a real writer and a real expert. I hate marketing, I hate spending my time submitting my articles, etc. So, I write excellent articles that remain online and keep sending traffic to my websites for years. Of course, not all them are that good. But most of them send traffic to my websites at least sometimes. Exactly the same old articles. I have an article that sends traffic to 2 websites everyday; around 20 – 25 visitors to 1 site and around 8 -10 to the other one. Everyday! Other articles send visitors to my sites day by day, once per week, once per month, etc.

    This is a very good tactic. Instead of spending your time writing a thousand articles that will die forever after day first days of existence because they are not well written, and they don’t give any real information to your readers; and instead of spreading regular articles to regular article directories without any profit after all the trouble, write very good articles, giving real lessons, which will remain online and appear in the first results’ page of the most important search engines for years.

    If you cannot write that well, study and learn how to, or hire a ghostwriter.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Marshall
    Originally Posted by tgfilegal23 View Post

    Hey warriors, okay I am VERY frustrated with article marketing. I have been trying to find a decent article submitter. I think the first one I was using cost about 25 bucks and claimed it was automatic but it wasn't and it really ate up about 6 months of teadious work. I just purchased Article Marketing Robot from Vince and this software claims it will submit to over 1000 sites. After creating accounts with all the sites I found that over 600 of the sites don't work or my submissions fail or something. It's so frustrating. I get it i need backlinks but it seems I cannot find a decent article submitter for NOTHING! I AM SO FED UP AND FRUSTRATED. It feels as if I am back at start all over again.....I just need one great article submitter that submits to the top 20 article sites and more. Any advice as to a great article submitter that really submits?
    If you are only going to submit to 20 sites, I would definitely do it manually. Just bookmark the 20 sites you want to use into your Firefox browser, and when it comes time to submit, open all of the tabs at once and start copying and pasting the article in the different directories.
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    • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
      Originally Posted by Kevin Marshall View Post

      If you are only going to submit to 20 sites, I would definitely do it manually. Just bookmark the 20 sites you want to use into your Firefox browser, and when it comes time to submit, open all of the tabs at once and start copying and pasting the article in the different directories.

      URL opener
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  • Profile picture of the author glassextreme
    Why not just use senuke?
    It's faster and pretty reliable.
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    • Profile picture of the author rb699
      Originally Posted by glassextreme View Post

      Why not just use senuke?
      It's faster and pretty reliable.
      Have you had success with submitting different spun versions of an article to the same directory that you are getting good traffic from? Please advise.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronny Kibet
    have you tried the free article submitter from Brad Callen which is also used by this guy who calls himself the rich janitor?pm me if you need more help. good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Mackinson
    Hey there I use Traffic Geyser it has always worked for me and you can do Videos too
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  • Profile picture of the author molsted
    Hi!

    Sorry to see that you are so frustrated with article marketing. It shouldn't be that hard. Maybe you are approaching it the "wrong" (note the "quotes") way.

    There's a lot of advice here allready. Some good. Some not so good.

    1) Article Submitters.

    - Software is imho not the best way to go. Try to use a service instead. It's the ones I've had best results with. Preferably one that let you spin the articles.

    - The purpose of mass submissions IS NOT to get your articles read - it's the backlinks and for that purpose it works gangbusters and it always has!

    2) If you want your articles to be read, and you want people visiting your site you need to focus on Quality articles on high traffic websites like Ezine Articles, Scribd maybe, and maybe some Niche specific authority sites. THEN, and only then will you get real people reading your articles and visiting your post (in addition to the nice benefit of syndication to real people's blogs etc etc etc...)

    Article marketing works.

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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    I want to make only one point about this thread.

    Go up and look at the post counts and the THANKED count of the people telling you to do it manually.

    Then look at the same thing for the people telling you to use an Article Submission service.

    Point finished, you draw the conclusions.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Hussey
      I want to make only one point about this thread.

      Go up and look at the post counts and the THANKED count of the people telling you to do it manually.

      Then look at the same thing for the people telling you to use an Article Submission service.

      Point finished, you draw the conclusions.
      That's utterly meaningless.

      Counting a bunch of opinions means you've amassed a bunch of opinions on a given subject - I've used UAW and ArticleRanks, Magic Submitter and now Article Marketing Robot, in addition to just about everything that Incansoft releases (I buy all that on sale).

      In any event, as an IMer and freelancer - this works. The "quality" issue I understand - I'm with it, I get it, I do it - but losing first place to a competitor who spewed out junk articles on a submission service - sorry. My competition disagrees. He's not guest posting anywhere, either...

      My point is: this isn't an either/or debate, but a question of goals. Both methods work: manual submission with quality articles/press releases and guest blogging - that works.

      But to discount the efficacy of UAW and other submission tools (when you're after a quantity of backlinks, not necessarily the traffic, though that happens, too according to my Wassup plugin and Google Analytics) - this is just too rich.

      Look, if you don't want to use a monthly service or don't want to use software - that's on you. When I look at my competitor who literally stole 1st place in Google from me just this past week with - wait, NOT an EzineArticle, thanks very much - but a junky, spun and half-digested UAW that took him 30 minutes to submit to hundreds of places...

      Sorry. It's a pipe dream to think that both don't have their place, or you're in a niche that's not competitive.
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      • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
        Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance View Post

        That's utterly meaningless.

        Counting a bunch of opinions means you've amassed a bunch of opinions on a given subject


        My point is: this isn't an either/or debate, but a question of goals. Both methods work

        my competitor who literally stole 1st place in Google from me just this past week with - wait, NOT an EzineArticle, thanks very much - but a junky, spun and half-digested UAW that took him 30 minutes to submit to hundreds of places...
        James,

        I'd like to go through those points one at a time. First though, you made an assumption about my conclusion. My initial point is this, you can tell the quality of the responses you are getting based upon how often people are thanked. It does indicate they are providing value on the forum and can be trusted to give answers based upon experience, not guesswork.

        Your point of goals is perfect. I own and use Incansoft products, too. I do use their ArticleBot to submit to selected directories based upon the niche I'm working on. There are times where an increase in backlinks is the perfect answer, but just as many times it is not the right choice. It all comes down to evaluating the competition and making decisions based upon the situation. If you can get the rankings only sticking with your own blog and high ranking sites which are good for syndicating your content you are miles ahead. I break down my article directories based upon their strength of PR, niche served, and create groups of directories which are proper for the niche I'm working in, and ignore the rest of them.

        The second portion of this argument is ALL about syndication. If you can create content which gets picked up and spread all over the place on blogs within your niche, or associated niches, you are going to beat the guy using UAW to submit to directories. The backlinks will be of higher quality.

        I have a recent video I made in a competitive niche, based upon an article I wrote, which is now showing up on just over 70 competitors blogs. The content in the article and video has a bit of edge to it with a strong headline. It created interest. This level of syndication of any content is what can help someone working from a standpoint of quality to overcome the links generated by UAW or other tools.

        I'm sorry to hear about your losing first place to a competitor but I'll bet the battle is not over. Garbage tends to disappear from the first spot on Google while quality climbs, as long as the backlink edge is not overwhelming. Just by what you said in your post I would guess your articles are top notch, your backlinking strategies are sound, and the odds are high your first place ranking is going to come back as the normal gyrations of Google continue to crank. One or two better quality PR links from sites which are NOT article directories can make a very quick difference.

        By the way... I'm hitting the Thanks Button on your response for one reason. Your argument is sound, well thought out, and you are correct it is not an issue of one or the other, it is a matter of evaluating your market, testing, and doing what works without littering the internet with garbage.

        Now you know my conclusion....
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    Look for the highest ranking, don't mass submit. Wasting your money bud.
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    Hi there,

    I have used an article submitter in the past and it worked pretty well but it did not do for me much (if any at all) in terms of the traffic and the income.

    Thus far, Ezinearticles brings in the most traffic and I have been generating about $600-$1000 a month by sending articles to Ezinearticles alone.

    Just focus on producing good quality articles (keywords optimized, warm up the readers, have a good resource box, etc etc), submit to Ezinearticles manually and have a good landing page and you should be on your way to lots of $$$. There are reports of people making thousands of bucks on one article aline.

    When i started out last year, I learned a lot for Steve Wagenheim here. Also, here is a great summary on article marketing:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-article.html

    Take a deep breath and march on.

    All the best!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If you are looking for "the way" to submit articles - you are wrong from the getgo.

      You can get good results with the top directories by submitting good articles yourself with no "submitter".

      You can get good results by submitting a good article (sometimes even a bad article) with two proper rewrites to UAW or with mass submission.

      I use both - both work - but my goals for each type of submission are different. Traffic, syndication, backlinks - using various methods you can get it all.

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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Pettit
    I'm glad I saw this thread....diffently would reccomend "Spin Distripute dot com" I'm not affiliated with them but just a happy customer. Their service has been a game changer for me when it comes to article marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author DianeBrandt
    I don't encourage anyone to submit an article to 100+ article directories... Why? Because Google hates duplicates. I don't use submitters for this reason.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Hussey
      Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

      By the way... I'm hitting the Thanks Button on your response for one reason. Your argument is sound, well thought out, and you are correct it is not an issue of one or the other, it is a matter of evaluating your market, testing, and doing what works without littering the internet with garbage.

      Now you know my conclusion....
      Barry - for the record, I've taken 7 #1 spots back from my competition (using submitters, and quality spun articles which is all I do, despite the current tone of those assuming every spun article is the same garbage).

      I appreciate your clarification, but still disagree: you can have a swarm of people who thank one side of an argument up one side and down another, all it proves is that a certain like-minded crowd has found a thread of common interest.

      It doesn't mean that those thanked are adding to the quality or truthfulness of a subject, mob rule is mob rule - truth notwithstanding. I do agree with your take on the place of quality articles as traffic generators, which again is why that's all I do.

      Spinning an article the way that the software developers' marketing team suggests is not how I run my business, but for all that: if a person insists on manual submission, have at it.

      I couldn't care less how you get your links - since when did "link building" become an issue of "morality?" It's a LINK, not a LIFE.

      (Just thinking out loud, not directing that at you per se.)

      Bottom line about the way people submit articles: the algo doesn't give a flying rip. How do I know? Because it doesn't read.

      It has no appreciation for literature, it's an algorithm. One thing the algo does: it counts links and rewards positions accordingly.

      With top rankings being handed to Xrumer users, Sick Submitter blasters and Scrapebox jockeys - it's pretty clear that a link is a link, they result in rankings, bottom line.

      How you or others run your business is your business. After personally submitting thousands of articles to article directories by submission services and software, I've seen definite improvement in sales, my position in Google, etc. This isn't an experiment for me - this is fact, proven in my and my clients' web rankings in Google.

      All those saying that manual submissions are the only way to go - more power to you. I'll keep spinning and submitting using UAW, ArticleRanks and Article Marketing Robot.

      Why? Because my wallet is pretty fat with the sales my sites make. My sites make sales because they RANK. They rank because I have LINKS.

      Junk links.

      Good links.

      Front links.

      Back links.

      I have the MISSING link.

      I have the FOUND link...and I have plenty of 1-10 rankings in Google to show for it.

      My sales keep telling me a mix is where it's at, with an emphasis on not living in a world chock full of false dichotomies, like:

      Either: you manually submit...OR you auto submit junk...

      No, not quite as simple as that. Why wouldn't you do both manual submission and auto submission?


      Originally Posted by DianeBrandt View Post

      I don't encourage anyone to submit an article to 100+ article directories... Why? Because Google hates duplicates. I don't use submitters for this reason.
      Diane -

      Google hates when people have 2+ pages with the same content. Say you wrote a post a month ago, and decided to re-post it again, or whatever: that's dupe content.

      Syndication is NOT dupe content, it's what drives the press which preceded Google in the first place. Case in point: Google decided to include news snippets in the organic listings, and now press releases can be picked up by anyone with virtual real estate.

      So 1,000 people run the story on their blogs and newsletters, etc - it's what the article directories and news aggregators are FOR: to syndicate content.

      Google LOVES that stuff - they promote it. It's not duplicate when it's cited, has a link to the source, etc.

      But, for the record, let's say your theory is right - OK, then SPIN.

      For your information: I've never seen a single penalty with massive submission of one article (spun or not) pointing to a site - and I've submitted 9k articles in the span of 3 days to 5 sites before.

      The end result? Top ranks.

      Nine thousand articles PER SITE in tough niches. Result: top rankings in the big G.

      So when I read "I only do 3" or "you should never do more than X number..." My clients' sites are all over the front page of G. I've proven it and lived it this past year.

      Anyone who shakes their head at that - I'm wondering:

      Who died and made you Google?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
        james, do you think is worth using Article Marketing Robot and Unique Article Wizard at the same time? I think UAW is the only article mass distribution service/software you would need.


        Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance View Post

        Barry - for the record, I've taken 7 #1 spots back from my competition (using submitters, and quality spun articles which is all I do, despite the current tone of those assuming every spun article is the same garbage).

        I appreciate your clarification, but still disagree: you can have a swarm of people who thank one side of an argument up one side and down another, all it proves is that a certain like-minded crowd has found a thread of common interest.

        It doesn't mean that those thanked are adding to the quality or truthfulness of a subject, mob rule is mob rule - truth notwithstanding. I do agree with your take on the place of quality articles as traffic generators, which again is why that's all I do.

        Spinning an article the way that the software developers' marketing team suggests is not how I run my business, but for all that: if a person insists on manual submission, have at it.

        I couldn't care less how you get your links - since when did "link building" become an issue of "morality?" It's a LINK, not a LIFE.

        (Just thinking out loud, not directing that at you per se.)

        Bottom line about the way people submit articles: the algo doesn't give a flying rip. How do I know? Because it doesn't read.

        It has no appreciation for literature, it's an algorithm. One thing the algo does: it counts links and rewards positions accordingly.

        With top rankings being handed to Xrumer users, Sick Submitter blasters and Scrapebox jockeys - it's pretty clear that a link is a link, they result in rankings, bottom line.

        How you or others run your business is your business. After personally submitting thousands of articles to article directories by submission services and software, I've seen definite improvement in sales, my position in Google, etc. This isn't an experiment for me - this is fact, proven in my and my clients' web rankings in Google.

        All those saying that manual submissions are the only way to go - more power to you. I'll keep spinning and submitting using UAW, ArticleRanks and Article Marketing Robot.

        Why? Because my wallet is pretty fat with the sales my sites make. My sites make sales because they RANK. They rank because I have LINKS.

        Junk links.

        Good links.

        Front links.

        Back links.

        I have the MISSING link.

        I have the FOUND link...and I have plenty of 1-10 rankings in Google to show for it.

        My sales keep telling me a mix is where it's at, with an emphasis on not living in a world chock full of false dichotomies, like:

        Either: you manually submit...OR you auto submit junk...

        No, not quite as simple as that. Why wouldn't you do both manual submission and auto submission?




        Diane -

        Google hates when people have 2+ pages with the same content. Say you wrote a post a month ago, and decided to re-post it again, or whatever: that's dupe content.

        Syndication is NOT dupe content, it's what drives the press which preceded Google in the first place. Case in point: Google decided to include news snippets in the organic listings, and now press releases can be picked up by anyone with virtual real estate.

        So 1,000 people run the story on their blogs and newsletters, etc - it's what the article directories and news aggregators are FOR: to syndicate content.

        Google LOVES that stuff - they promote it. It's not duplicate when it's cited, has a link to the source, etc.

        But, for the record, let's say your theory is right - OK, then SPIN.

        For your information: I've never seen a single penalty with massive submission of one article (spun or not) pointing to a site - and I've submitted 9k articles in the span of 3 days to 5 sites before.

        The end result? Top ranks.

        Nine thousand articles PER SITE in tough niches. Result: top rankings in the big G.

        So when I read "I only do 3" or "you should never do more than X number..." My clients' sites are all over the front page of G. I've proven it and lived it this past year.

        Anyone who shakes their head at that - I'm wondering:

        Who died and made you Google?
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          Currently I'm only using AMR and ArticleRanks. I just recently stopped UAW, and have found better results (quicker) with AMR so far.

          I only use ArticleRanks still because they're only blogs vs. article directories - so if you use AMR you don't "need" UAW to tell the truth. Not that I wouldn't mind having 5 different memberships. The more, the better...
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    article marketing doesn't work for me, and I don't like it too..
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  • Profile picture of the author Wesley Atkins
    Why would you want an article submitter to submit the same articles to 1000's of article directories..

    These softwares only exist because the creators know that it will sell...

    ...It taps into the easiest hot button of marketers...

    Like people want to take a pill and get instant results for...

    Losing Weight
    Getting a Tan
    etc..

    Website owners want to push a single button and get top rankings in Google...

    Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that...

    SEO takes time and there are no push button solutions.

    Google discounts the link value from these low quality article directories... and will continue to do so more and more in the future...

    If you spent those 6 months creating tons of high quality link bait type articles, you would be sitting on a gold mine of high quality links by now...

    Think quality over quantity, it will pay off more in the log run...

    -- Just my opinion :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author James Hussey
      Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins View Post

      Why would you want an article submitter to submit to 1000's of article directories..

      These softwares only exist because the creators know that it will sell...

      ...It taps into the easiest hot button of marketers...

      Like overweight people want a pill that sheds weight...

      Website owners want to push a single button and get top rankings in Google...

      Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that...

      SEO takes time and there are no push button solutions.

      Google completely discounts the link value from these low quality article directories...
      Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. And thanks for the fat analogy, that was mighty professional.

      I don't quite understand the Google police mentality one bit, nor the need to say, "Us or them, they suck, and we're doing things the right way."

      Seriously, why not this:

      You run your business as you choose - and until you can look at my sites and my earnings and prove to me that I've been hallucinating this past year, you're just proving that you're ignorant.

      "They know these software will sell.."

      Yeah. They do. Because they work. Go figure.

      If you spent those 6 months creating tons of high quality link bait type articles, you would be sitting on a gold mine of high quality links by now
      Here's the difference - you spend your 6 months doing your manual submissions, (??) and I'll push my buttons and make sales and get clicks in 3-4 weeks, tops. Have fun.
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      • Profile picture of the author Wesley Atkins
        Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance View Post

        Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.
        I think my SEO clients in the most competitive sectors online like Gambling & Flights would completely disagree with that...

        Dude, you've been at this game since October 2009 according to your blog. I've been in the SEO game for 10 years...

        Ask any SEO worth their salt and they'll tell you that "Leverage and Syndication" is way more powerful than spinning articles and submitting them with automated software to low quality directories...

        ...Dude come on!!

        Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance View Post

        And thanks for the fat analogy, that was mighty professional.
        Yeah, agreed. Stupid example, but I was trying to get my point across and this did it... Sorry If it offended anyone, that was not my intention!

        Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance View Post

        I don't quite understand the Google police mentality one bit, nor the need to say, "Us or them, they suck, and we're doing things the right way."

        Seriously, why not this:

        You run your business as you choose - and until you can look at my sites and my earnings and prove to me that I've been hallucinating this past year, you're just proving that you're ignorant.
        Ignorant..!!!

        ...Ignorant is believing that a push button software spinning 1000's of variations of a crap article to low quality directories can beat the combined power of LEVERAGING other peoples assets...

        The kind of LEVERAGE you get from producing quality content... that get's syndicated to thousands of theme related sites in your market...

        ...Ignorant is believing that becuase you've got a dozen or so top rankings in Google with spinning articles, that makes you an SEO expert... after just over a year...

        Dude... No one manipulated the system more than me, I was a big user of Traffic Equalizer, Cloaking master.. Spinning... The works... but that was 5 years ago... (Before your time in IM)..

        I made a ton of money by pushing a few buttons, but its not the way to build a reliable business...

        Everyone is on here giving their own opinions. This is just mine. Does not mean anyone has to listen!

        Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance View Post

        "They know these software will sell.."

        Yeah. They do. Because they work. Go figure.
        Don't get me wrong I've used all these tools too, but long term results come from leverage and syndicating your content online.

        Again, just my opinion!

        Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance View Post

        Here's the difference - you spend your 6 months doing your manual submissions, (??) and I'll push my buttons and make sales and get clicks in 3-4 weeks, tops. Have fun.
        You missed the point... I've worked with a company that built a 7 figure business on the back of....

        ...One page of content!

        Granted, it could have been a paid product and sold for $497 but they gave it away for free.

        This was the foundation of 100,000's of incoming links and a 7 figure business that got the attention of some big players!

        Once people saw this awesome content they gave away for free, they were already presold on their high end coaching program...

        Dude...if all you want to do is push a few buttons and try and manipulate the system then be my guest... I've got no right to tell you how to run your business and you should take what I say with a pinch of salt...

        ...Their just my opinions!

        ...We'll see who's still following the same business model in 5 years time :-)



        Originally Posted by bretski View Post

        The truth is that many of these article directories share content and also your chances of having your articles used by folks are better if you stick to the more popular article directories instead of blasting it out to 1000 directories all at once. Of course, this is my opinion and what I have found that works for me.

        I hand submit to about 10 places and that's it. From there I let nature take it's course...
        Exactly... This is the way to approach article marketing...

        Here is a post I made in another thread about Article marketing...

        How you’re probably doing it now:

        The mis-conception here is that submitting your article to 100's of article directories is going to get you a good influx of backlinks in Google, and if you spin them and use mass article submission software that your going to keep the article indexed in Google and get even more backlink juice from them all...

        The problem:

        The problem here is that you are putting huge time and effort into spinning crap articles that are going to get you little to no benefit in Google long term. These are low quality links and one link from a PR4, related site will outweight the benefit of 200 low quality article directories..

        Sure, if you in a low competitive market, this will work for you. But, in highly competitive industries, you'll never be found...

        Here is how it should be done:

        Article directories should be seen as a form of leverage in order to gain *natural* links back to your site..

        How?

        By submitting your best work.. End of!

        Submit your best quality articles to the top 5-10 article directories and let the power of syndication take its toll. 1000's of webmasters and bloggers browse EzineArticles on a daily basis looking for content they can use. You just need to be able to write titles that get attention and peak their interest in your work.

        This is just the basics of syndication.. Writing proper link bait articles is well beyond the scope of article marketing...
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              • Profile picture of the author Wesley Atkins
                Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance View Post

                When I called you ignorant I was speaking of your take on the method, results and the tool I was referring to.

                Clearly not worth my time either (I don't normally hang around elitists enough for the next insult). Sorry, Wesley, I really can't stand the elitist tone.

                "Clearly not worth my time."

                Please. Now I am calling you an ass.
                My learning never stops.. I don't consider myself an expert.. Not by a long shot!

                Ignorance, is believing you are an expert and I follow my own advice... I never stop learning from the best in the industry...

                So calm down on the elitist rant!

                It's not worth my time arguing with someone so petty, that's why I said....

                "Not worth my time"...
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                  Originally Posted by Wesley Atkins View Post

                  My learning never stops.. I don't consider myself an expert.. Not by a long shot!

                  Ignorance, is believing you are an expert and I follow my own advice... I never stop learning from the best in the industry...

                  So calm down on the elitist rant!

                  It's not worth my time arguing with someone so petty, that's why I said....

                  "Not worth my time"...
                  Ah, so now I'm petty? Here's what happened, Wesley - you insulted an entire arm of marketers using spinners - me included.

                  Then you compared me / spinners to those who are overweight (which is lame, but you apologized for a poor choice of words, good on ya).

                  Then you are insinuating that I'm calling myself an expert - where? Where once did I self-gloss as an expert? (This from your 1st response to me.)

                  Your learning never stops - you call yourself a student - then we're agreed. Especially considering all of SEO is theory to begin with.

                  Don't mess with a bull unless you want the horns - I don't take kindly to your elitist tone (getting this from your dismissive note that I've "been online since October 2009" compared to your decade of SEO experience).

                  If you don't want to be called an elitist, simply refrain from being one. And all this from an insistence that *your way* is the right one, and those who use spinners are - how'd you put it? Like fat people looking for a diet pill?

                  I wonder where I got the elitist impression...

                  For what it's worth - I don't think (never have) that marketing in general and especially link building falls into neat categories such as manual versus automated, right vs. wrong (in link building? Ethics? Maybe Xrumer or Scrapebox blasts - even those are merely obnoxious vs. "right or wrong").

                  One person wants to manually submit - like I do as a first step - good on ya. Whatever you or anyone thinks of link building and using submitters - it's simply a business decision.

                  Those using submitters for articles should edit and send out solid material - I wouldn't suggest (never have) otherwise.

                  Link bait? Leverage? Web 2.0's, link wheels....etc. - sure. All that and then some - but get OFF this lame train of thinking your methods are anything that make you some superior person intrinsically.

                  If you don't want that association (being an elitist ****), then quit making link building some measurement of a person's overall worth.

                  You can do things your way and I'm more than happy with my rankings and income growth with my methods.
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                • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
                  Unique Article Wizard is definitely the way to go. Not only does it spin the article for you, but it also submits them to sites that want your content on their websites.
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                • Profile picture of the author 2ndopkate
                  I use submit your article. Yes, monthly fee. Easy to use. I don't waste time submitting to article directories. Well worth the monthly to me, just to save time not posting articles over and over. You can also submit using internal links to your website as well as the usual resource box links.

                  They post to 2 different type of sites: article directories and blogs.

                  1.They post your article to regular ezine style directories using the resource box and remove the internal links.

                  2. Then they have blogs that request articles w/o the resource boxes. That's were the internal links come in to play. Your article is posted to those with the internal links and the resource box is removed.

                  Check it out for yourself. This is my aff link to the site. Thanks!

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                  • Profile picture of the author brian_b18
                    Newb question here: I've read contradicting advice on whether or not one can submit the same article to multiple directories. Should it be rewritten, spun, or what-have-you?

                    In the argument for submitting the same article/content to multiple directories, that is essentially the same thing PR firms and news agencies do: they submit the same story. So what gives?

                    Thanks! :rolleyes:
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                      Originally Posted by brian_b18 View Post

                      Newb question here: I've read contradicting advice on whether or not one can submit the same article to multiple directories. Should it be rewritten, spun, or what-have-you?

                      In the argument for submitting the same article/content to multiple directories, that is essentially the same thing PR firms and news agencies do: they submit the same story. So what gives?

                      Thanks! :rolleyes:
                      Brian

                      I have done both. Submit as unique and submit as changed up. I tried spinning, but to me it was more time consuming than actually changing up the article a bit.

                      I have benefited from both practices link-wise and ranking-wise. The reason I like using submityourarticle.com is because you can use their tool to submit the same article to different directories without having to do it yourself. They also submit the same article to blogs. They have a tool to change up your document too. They do not offer a spinner. It's just a section by section tool to help you change your document to make it different. I've gone both routes and benefit from using both methods. It just depends if I want to spend more time changing up the article or not. If I'm in the mood, I change up the article (not spin, change). If I'm lazy, I don't.

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                      • Profile picture of the author James Hussey
                        Actually, SubmitYourArticle now does offer a spinner - article leverage. It's part of their Gold Membership. Correct me if I'm wrong - but this was a recent email from their sales team.
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                        Originally Posted by 2ndopkate View Post

                        Brian

                        I have done both. Submit as unique and submit as changed up. I tried spinning, but to me it was more time consuming than actually changing up the article a bit.

                        I have benefited from both practices link-wise and ranking-wise. The reason I like using submityourarticle.com is because you can use their tool to submit the same article to different directories without having to do it yourself. They also submit the same article to blogs. They have a tool to change up your document too. They do not offer a spinner. It's just a section by section tool to help you change your document to make it different. I've gone both routes and benefit from using both methods. It just depends if I want to spend more time changing up the article or not. If I'm in the mood, I change up the article (not spin, change). If I'm lazy, I don't.

                        Kater
                        Thanks Kater. I'll have to check out that site. Being new and looking into spinning, I have to agree that it seemed just as time consuming, if not more so, as writing a new article, so I'm content to just do that or hire a writer if need be.

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                      Originally Posted by brian_b18 View Post

                      Newb question here: I've read contradicting advice on whether or not one can submit the same article to multiple directories.
                      With the exception of "Buzzle", you can.

                      Originally Posted by brian_b18 View Post

                      Should it be rewritten, spun, or what-have-you?
                      It depends why you're submitting it.

                      But don't expect backlinks from spun/re-written articles to be any different/better from those of syndicated articles. So if backlinks is your sole purpose, forget spinning.

                      Originally Posted by brian_b18 View Post

                      In the argument for submitting the same article/content to multiple directories, that is essentially the same thing PR firms and news agencies do: they submit the same story. So what gives?
                      Good question.

                      All that "gives" is that a lot of people misunderstand what "duplicate content" is, and believe a lot of urban myths of internet marketing, and a few (probably very few) even imagine that they'll somehow get a better/different backlink by having it attached to something in Google's main index rather than in the supplemental index. People who actually test this stuff for themselves (rather than relying on - and sometimes propagating and perpetuating - second-hand misinformation) have rather different ideas.
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                • Profile picture of the author PhoebeSmellyCat
                  I'm just thinking how much more you could have accomplished by this time if you had just submitted them manually...
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                • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
                  It would probably be a better plan to focus on the top 20 article directories, then trying to find the perfect software that will submit to the top 1,000.

                  All backlinks are not created equal. Some backlinks do not help as much as others. The top 20 article directories have the strongest backlinks, and thus it will be more valuable to your time to just submit to those.

                  I’ve been submitting manually for almost two years now and it doesn’t take more than 20 minutes to send articles to all of the top directories.

                  Save yourself frustration and unnecessary work and focus on the directories that are really going to help you the most.
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            • Profile picture of the author Shirlyn
              I must say just post all the articles manually by your self it will be very beneficial to rely on our self then a kind of software.
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              • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                Ok.

                Firstly don't waste your time with any mass article submitter unless the sole purpose is backlinking.

                Do it properly from the start.

                Secondly I'm all confused.

                You used one bit of software and it submitted to 600 directories instead of 1000 and you were soooo frustrated, yet you only actually want to submit your article to the top 20 directories?
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance View Post

            Way to miss the point and look elitist.
            Just a quick observation...

            I am not taking sides, however...

            But don't you think it is equally "elitist" to call him "ignorant" and a bit personal to call him an "ass"?
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            • Profile picture of the author James Hussey
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              Just a quick observation...

              I am not taking sides, however...

              But don't you think it is equally "elitist" to call him "ignorant" and a bit personal to call him an "ass"?
              No, I don't think it's elitist to call someone ignorant when they make an ignorant statement. His first statement insinuated that article submitters and spinners don't work - and whether fortunately or not, they do work when used properly.

              I do think it's "personal" to call someone an ass, BUT when they're being one - hmmm...I don't take kindly to bullies. I felt bullied. He was being an ass and dismissive in tone. (An indication someone is being an elitist.)

              BUT before I read your response here, I did delete that comment.

              Not because it's elitist of me - but because I had sent another response instead and thought I had deleted that one.

              My intention wasn't to enter a logomachy with Wesley - but I'm also not going to take the Welcome Mat role, and have someone pull their C.V. on me in an attempt to then dismiss me.

              I just can't abide that, but I'm done with the Wesley rant.

              It's totally pointless and incredibly off-topic at this point (though I was trying to make the point that article marketing DOES work in both cases, manual or automated, despite those insisting spinning doesn't).

              Thanks for chiming in, though - your point is well taken. My apologies for letting Mr. Hyde out to play.
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  • Profile picture of the author blueston
    I have bought magic article rewriter and submitter. After using it for few months, I don't see any results. I was told that I should rewrite the article with the software and then use the software to submit. However, only very few backlinks were indexed by google. Plus, spinning articles is really driving me crazy. I really don't like the concept of spinning articles. I would rather take the idea and rewrite it in a different way, I'm more comfortable with just dig out the thoughts from my brain instead of rearranging sentences. I'm going to just focus on major directories.
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    • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
      Originally Posted by blueston View Post

      I have bought magic article rewriter and submitter. After using it for few months, I don't see any results. I was told that I should rewrite the article with the software and then use the software to submit. However, only very few backlinks were indexed by google. Plus, spinning articles is really driving me crazy. I really don't like the concept of spinning articles. I would rather take the idea and rewrite it in a different way, I'm more comfortable with just dig out the thoughts from my brain instead of rearranging sentences. I'm going to just focus on major directories.
      There is a huge difference between MAS (Magic Article Submitter) and AMR (Article Marketing Robot). MAS submits to Article Friendly Directories only (unless it has been changed). AMR submits to a huge variety of directories including Article Friendly, Article Dashboard, your own Wordpress blogs, Articles MS, Go Articles, EZA and many more.

      I really love MAR but MAS does not even come close to AMR.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticleGrinder
    I would recommend u just manually send articles to the top 10 site. That's what i do and it has been working fine for me so far...
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinTorrence
    Submitting so-so articles & trying to get tons of crap links with software myself never did well for me in the past. Mostly just wasted my time. Lesson learned. These days, I'm all about good content, leverage, and pry-barring my way into my visitors internet "backyards" to see what they REALLY want, and providing good content that they want to share. Things are happenin' now and I'm happy.
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  • Profile picture of the author waken
    The fact is, you don't need to submit to hundreds of those article directories. Simply because they are here today and gone tomorrow.

    You just need to submit to the top 10 - 20 with the highest readership, PR, and syndication.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Be aware that most "article submission software" is available for a one-time purchase, but the landscape of the article submission websites change on an almost daily basis.

    There is no way that any COMPREHENSIVE list of article submission sites will be fully accurate 30 days from now, let alone 6 months from now.

    I have been in article marketing since 2001, and most article directories get set up and stop receiving submissions within the first 90 days of operation!!

    Article Directories are hard work to manage, and few article directory owners know how to properly monetize those sites to make them profitable.

    Once most article directory owners realize the amount of work required and the available monetization channels, they quit their directories and let them die a slow, agonizing death.

    Therefore, any article submission software that is not updated on a monthly basis is bound to soon be filled with a lot of dead directories.

    It is just an inherent problem in the industry.

    If you are disappointed with one article submission software, you are just as likely to be disappointed with most, if not all, of them.

    Honestly, if you want to submit only to the top 20 directories, it is more realistic to do that by hand, especially when you realize that Ezine Articles -- the top article directory -- has blocked most software from submitting to its site. Other less famous, but effective article directories have also taken steps to cripple most article submission software.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneyhunter
    I'm new to this forum but have done time in this business. My two cents is just get hold of some firm which submits your article manually. There are many as I know. I can name a few too but then it would not be ok I guess. Software does not do the trick dats it. They may but chances are your next try could be frustrating too.
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  • Profile picture of the author ankitnagpal
    Originally Posted by tgfilegal23 View Post

    Hey warriors, okay I am VERY frustrated with article marketing. I have been trying to find a decent article submitter. I think the first one I was using cost about 25 bucks and claimed it was automatic but it wasn't and it really ate up about 6 months of teadious work. I just purchased Article Marketing Robot from Vince and this software claims it will submit to over 1000 sites. After creating accounts with all the sites I found that over 600 of the sites don't work or my submissions fail or something. It's so frustrating. I get it i need backlinks but it seems I cannot find a decent article submitter for NOTHING! I AM SO FED UP AND FRUSTRATED. It feels as if I am back at start all over again.....I just need one great article submitter that submits to the top 20 article sites and more. Any advice as to a great article submitter that really submits?
    First, do not submit to article-dashboard type sites.
    Second, create blogs and submit to them.
    Third, ping all blogs.
    Fourth, submit blogs to blog directories.
    Fifth, outsource the above 4 steps to me @ 19.99 per article.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I would study other successful marketers that are killing it.

    I also recommend you study Jason Fladlien stuff..one how to write and article in 7 minutes. He has some killer videos, and awesome for the newbie getting into article writing. he started writing articles for other people and now has a business making big money. Just my thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author chuckdavis
    I use Automatic Article Submitter and it works fantastic. I manually submit to Ezine Articles though
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayzee
    try article submitter pro. It has all the lists of major article directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author FatterMike
    I had 950 successful registrations and 731 published articles using AMR. It also give you a html and xml report with all of your links for indexing, I guess that covers my needs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Lawrence
    I'll admit, I haven't read this thread. But my advice to you is not to give up on article marketing. Learn how to find keywords and fit your title around that...the body should grab the readers attention right away...i dont give the reader too much info...just enough to keep them guessing..

    I've had success in my 3 weeks of article marketing. My 50 articles have produced 10 sales and nearly $400. Don't give up...keep writing
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  • Profile picture of the author sonamlama
    You've started a HEATED debate lol..Good Job!

    In any case, my advice, based off what has been working pretty well for me is to just focus on submitting ONE article a day to Ezinearticles.com FIRST, wait for it to be approved...

    And THEN submit that same article (with a little rephrasing to avoid having Google think it's duplicate content, which will bring your search engine rankings lower) to goarticles and articlesbase.

    I've gotten a surge of subscribers when I submit my articles following this method and still am now from an article that I did 6 months ago. So, if you want long term, targeted traffic article marketing is king.

    Hope this helps.

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    • Profile picture of the author James Hussey
      Sonamlama -

      You might consider just re-posting without changing the article at all (it doesn't result in a penalty for your site or articles that I've seen). Before mass submitting, that's all I did: use GoArticles / Ezine / ArticlesBase...then I found a ton of others to try:

      Squidoo works well (as a 2.0)
      Buzzle (you actually need to submit entirely original content to Buzzle but they rank really well)
      Idea Marketers
      The Free Library
      Suite 101 (Again, you need original content here and it's challenging to break into at first)
      Associated Content

      The last one - AC - allows you to submit your other articles without changing them (as do the others I've noted, someone correct me if I'm mistaken but I'm pretty sure) - and according to another thread here on WF there's a fellow marketer who's done exactly that to increase his traffic in a major way (moreso than even EzineArticles - which require more than mere submission to make the most use out of).

      Anyhow, try it (without bothering with changing the content) - you won't get penalized. The only thing to keep in mind is that you might want to vary your URLs and anchor text, so when someone syndicates your article you get some other link juice and deep links.

      You also want to double check with the publishing guidelines on these other sites (HubPages and Buzzle only allow unique content, for example).
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      • Profile picture of the author sonamlama
        Originally Posted by JamestheJust on Elance View Post

        Sonamlama -

        You might consider just re-posting without changing the article at all (it doesn't result in a penalty for your site or articles that I've seen). Before mass submitting, that's all I did: use GoArticles / Ezine / ArticlesBase...then I found a ton of others to try:

        Squidoo works well (as a 2.0)
        Buzzle (you actually need to submit entirely original content to Buzzle but they rank really well)
        Idea Marketers
        The Free Library
        Suite 101 (Again, you need original content here and it's challenging to break into at first)
        Associated Content

        The last one - AC - allows you to submit your other articles without changing them (as do the others I've noted, someone correct me if I'm mistaken but I'm pretty sure) - and according to another thread here on WF there's a fellow marketer who's done exactly that to increase his traffic in a major way (moreso than even EzineArticles - which require more than mere submission to make the most use out of).

        Anyhow, try it (without bothering with changing the content) - you won't get penalized. The only thing to keep in mind is that you might want to vary your URLs and anchor text, so when someone syndicates your article you get some other link juice and deep links.

        You also want to double check with the publishing guidelines on these other sites (HubPages and Buzzle only allow unique content, for example).
        Thanks for the advice James, however I've reposted my articles on the directories you mentioned before but my sites were not ranking on page 1 of Google and other major search engines. This is most probably because they viewed my article as not being unique and "duplicate content".

        I'm not concerned about any "penalty" but what I do care about is being able to have a good quality score and thus be able get high rankings on major search engine sites.

        In any case, my main question is: Do you or any of my fellow warriors know FROM EXPERIENCE or FOR SURE if having duplicate content like you say will bring down rankings or have no effect at all?...

        I've read many people say that there is no effect and can even increase rankings, but also some who say that it does bring your rankings down. So...what gives?
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          Originally Posted by sonamlama View Post

          Do you or any of my fellow warriors know FROM EXPERIENCE or FOR SURE if having duplicate content like you say will bring down rankings or have no effect at all?...
          An article in a directory goes into either Google's main index or its supplemental index. It's one thing or the other: it's not really about "how highly it ranks". To rank well it needs to be in the main index and to have successful keyword research and SEO.

          Like many professional article marketers, I prefer to ensure that the copy of my articles that gets all the SEO and ranks highly is the one on my own site, not any in article directories, for all the reasons explained in such detail in this thread.

          I like to get traffic from article directories, not send traffic produced by my own backlinking campaigns to article directories and get back only the proportion of it that isn't sidetracked to its AdSense or other articles there, and I like to build up my own properties rather than anybody else's, and in the long term I certainly don't want article directories permanently outranking my own sites for my own keywords, because this a major handicap.

          But to answer your question more precisely, the details of the content of a directory article have little influence on how well it ranks: that depends on on-page and off-page SEO, just as is true for any other indexed page of content on the web.
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        • Profile picture of the author James Hussey
          Originally Posted by sonamlama View Post

          Thanks for the advice James, however I've reposted my articles on the directories you mentioned before but my sites were not ranking on page 1 of Google and other major search engines. This is most probably because they viewed my article as not being unique and "duplicate content".

          I'm not concerned about any "penalty" but what I do care about is being able to have a good quality score and thus be able get high rankings on major search engine sites.

          In any case, my main question is: Do you or any of my fellow warriors know FROM EXPERIENCE or FOR SURE if having duplicate content like you say will bring down rankings or have no effect at all?...

          I've read many people say that there is no effect and can even increase rankings, but also some who say that it does bring your rankings down. So...what gives?
          You've been answered already, but wanted to say I know...nothing. Nothing for a fact - Google and I don't sleep in the same bed.

          Nobody in WF "knows" the answer to this question - all of SEO is suspicion, since Google doesn't divulge a straight answer on anything, least of all their penalties (have you ever tried asking?).

          They're notoriously not talking about SEO questions like this - but *in my experience* and to the *best I can tell* the first time I got to #1 in Google was in posting *spun content* using Magic Submitter, ArticleRanks, UAW and MAS.

          This was in May and before AMR (or before I knew of AMR - I think AMR came out months later).

          I have never achieved #1 in Google apart from spun content - but that's NOT to say I didn't see upward movement from reposting the same articles where I could (you can't do it to Buzzle and HubPages or Suite101).

          I DID see upward movement. I got to the top 20. Then I heard about UAW, spinning (and actually I learned spinning from my clients on Elance)...and I've never tried to get to the top without spinning since then.

          I didn't need to - I had tried for 3 months at the time on one site, and it wasn't until I began my spinning and submitting process that #1 rankings were within reach in 30 days or so.

          I need to test the results without spinning again to see what sort of effect this has on ranking - but here's a recent story.

          I have one particular site in electronics, and made sales this past month without really backlinking much - but the site is on pages 2-3 of Google for moderately competitive terms.

          How did I make sales? My CTR on EzineArticles and Google Analytics shows that I made sales from my articles - about 36% CTR.

          But I plan on getting to the top of Google by spinning and submitting.

          So you ask if I "knew" that there was no dupe penalty for all these submissions...I'll be honest as I can and say: not that I know of.

          I'll be doing some testing of my own and post about it on my blog, but give me a month.

          Seriously - I don't want to yank your chain, but at this moment I have yet to lose any rankings or obtain any negative impact from ANY article marketing, including reposting content to article directories that allow it.

          Why wonder? I'll test it and get back to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffreyanderson
    Hi,

    This may not be what you want to hear, but I've been using article marketing for about a year and my results have been outstanding... but I don't use any fancy submitting software and I don't submit to hundreds of sites. The key to really getting results is to create original content and submit them to the top sites only. Write your own articles, use keyword-rich titles, and submit them individually to ezine articles, article base, and that's it.

    That's what I do and it works very well. Don't worry about making a million bucks overnight, it won't happen doing things the right way, and it certainly isn't going to happen using a "submitting software tool".

    Stick to the basics, be patient, and your results will follow.

    Hope that helps.
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  • Originally Posted by tgfilegal23 View Post

    Hey warriors, okay I am VERY frustrated with article marketing. I have been trying to find a decent article submitter. I think the first one I was using cost about 25 bucks and claimed it was automatic but it wasn't and it really ate up about 6 months of teadious work. I just purchased Article Marketing Robot from Vince and this software claims it will submit to over 1000 sites. After creating accounts with all the sites I found that over 600 of the sites don't work or my submissions fail or something. It's so frustrating. I get it i need backlinks but it seems I cannot find a decent article submitter for NOTHING! I AM SO FED UP AND FRUSTRATED. It feels as if I am back at start all over again.....I just need one great article submitter that submits to the top 20 article sites and more. Any advice as to a great article submitter that really submits?

    I posted about this thing in another thread just today - do not forget that *1* article posted *once* and then pinged *once* can get you on google page 1.
    Then after it is there, you can post it to one or two more directories and a blog, maybe rewriting a bit for the blog.
    That's why in my view article submitters are a waste of time and money.
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    I highly recommend Article Marketing Robot. I am an affiliate for the product and get a great customer response about it. I personally have gotten great results with it. It is one of my favorite tools.

    Yes you are going to fail at some of the submissions. With hundreds of submissions that is only natural. But you will still get hundreds of successful results resulting in many backlinks.

    Are you following Vince's suggestions for use. That is are you using a PAID email address not a freebie email? Because that will make a tremendous difference.

    It is an excellent product so you may want to go back over how you are submitting things. If you are still having trouble the creator, Vince offers outstanding support.

    If you want tips on how I use it for best success or my review PM me.
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  • Profile picture of the author waynebo40
    Just like a lot of things with SEO/SEM, the truth is in the middle. The article marketing programs have their place, but you should manually submit to the top 10-20 as they typically have higher standards for submissions.

    Blogging on your own website, making sure your site is properly optimized internally, when applicable (this is still an important component), other forms of marketing (blog marketing, video marketing) and good old fashioned backlinking should all work together as part of a comprehensive campaign.

    One of the other replies talked about how you can never stop learning. Our company does SEO/SEM for companies across the United States. As much as we have accomplished, I still feel like we have so much to learn. Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Rodney
    Many of the article directory sites are down that may be why it is not working for you but I don't recommend mass distribution of your articles anyway. Submit to top directories only and concentrate on good and quality contend of your articles ready for syndication.
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  • Profile picture of the author TerryDay2010
    Ok. So you want to be fluent in article marketing. Here's what I do. First off, your marketing tactics will depend on your budget. If you have any kind of a budget, small, or big, or even none, you can do a few different things.

    1. You can go to elance.com and hire a person, group, or even an entire firm to do some, all, or just a little work for you. One major piece of advice if you hire on an out-sourcing site such as elance.com is, be very precise in your work detail and remember whoever you hire, is your employee and you have the run of the show, but be fair! Elance has a great escrow service and deals with issues quickly and without delay in most cases. You can hire a firm to do all your marketing, hire an individual for article writing, or have someone do research for you, if you don't mind doing the work yourself.

    2. You can buy PLR articles and publish them. I would recomend that you change up your articles a little and publish them in about 15 or so of the most popular article directories. Many article directories will not allow copies of articles so giving them a quick spin is a good idea.

    3. If your issue is simply not having enough fresh content, then you can always go to the article directories, blogs, or look up your topic on Google News and have fresh, up to date stuff to write about, delivered to your inbox every day. But big warning here... If you use other peoples articles as a source of information, be sure to completely re-write the article in your words and be sure not infringe upon their copyright.

    There is value in both ways of article marketing. Be consistent and keep up the beat... You will succeed. Most internet marketers fail because they simply give up the race. The worst thing is, the race is normally lost within inches of the finish.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    I've been using article marketing as my primary traffic generator for almost 6 years and it has produced over 5.5 million page views and over 565,000 visitors to my websites just on Ezinearticles.com.

    Througout that time I've used mass article submissions and I've discontinued use of them only to use them again and then not again. I try and use them much like a light switch. Sometimes I turn it on, other times I turn it off. It depends on the IM climate at the time.

    I've also used spun articles and not used spun articles. Just like my massive submissions, sometimes I do and sometimes I don't depending on the IM climate. My main reasoning for why I use this pattern is because it creates a state of confusion much like the way changing exercises, number of reps and speed of reps creates confusion which forces the body to grow during the rest cycle.

    Article marketing is a cyclic entity just like the changing of the weather patterns. I realize this sounds like a bunch of hooky nonsense but it has been my method and it has worked tremendously well for me and others that I know which use the same cyclic style of article submissions.

    Mass article submissions and article spinning whencondcuted properly works extremely well. Failure occurs when it is abused and improperly implemented. The key is to know the difference.

    Respectfully,
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Spooner
    I suspect that submitting to 1000 sites will also cause "duplicate content" issues with the search engines. Better to limit your submissions, and concentrate on valuable, focused, and unique content.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Hussey
      Originally Posted by Scott Spooner View Post

      I suspect that submitting to 1000 sites will also cause "duplicate content" issues with the search engines. Better to limit your submissions, and concentrate on valuable, focused, and unique content.
      You lost me at "suspect."

      It doesn't penalize your site / rankings, having said all that, someone else hit it on the head - and I started my earlier responses this way - that this is a false dichotomy.

      It's not "either/or" but:

      Test it out yourself. I use both manual submissions and spun submissions in the thousands.

      My rankings have held through every update in 2010, with one thing being clear: quality content on the landing page wins.

      The spun content / dupe content etc. debaters have either had a crummy landing page, or other factors (like forum spam or some complaint) - but in every case, this entire debate boils down to what you have done, what you have tried, what you have seen.

      I've been online a little over a year and the funny thing is I've yet to see a penalty for all my "world ending" submissions. Maybe I have what's coming to me...after all, I came out of nowhere and outranked the manufacturer.

      I took a product that was UNHEARD OF in America, a product that had nothing in the index that got any traffic or searches - it was nowhere - and using UAW at the time (before AMR) I owned it.

      One page made me nearly $2500 in November - not much, but it's a niche in a niche, very specific and paid for Christmas.

      Look: I said my piece, but anyone reading this needs to stop wondering and start doing. If you're curious, then try it. Otherwise, it's nothing but a business theory and suspicion.

      I can't build a business on suspicions, I need cold facts. Since I'm not about to reveal my websites (on purpose, anyway) - you need to try your own methods and put all this theory to the test.

      Use web 2.0 sites to test, split test two HubPages or two Squidoo lenses, etc. See which article submission method works best. But whatever you do - make sure you spin (if you do) like you mean it - don't just hit "spin" and then say you didn't get results.

      All I'd suggest is: quit wondering. Start doing. Otherwise, you're wasting pixels and your time with a baseless suspicion and a recycled opinion.

      And for the record:

      Of course manual methods work. Shakespeare wasn't spun.

      If you're satisfied with that method - congratulations - I am, too. Sorta. My rankings are fast and I'm fine with that, too, thanks to AMR. So my "beef" isn't with manual submissions...

      My problem is with those who 'suspect' a thing without trying it. It's like me saying, "I suspect manual submissions are a waste of time. I spin and only submit 9,000 articles at a time."

      (More like 3500 at a time.)

      See the issue? Before you weigh in, test it yourself. Counting opinions rather than testing results is not a smart way to run a business...

      Now if you manual submission purists want to draw a line in the sand and say you'll never spin and submit - no problem. Just don't make the false claim that spinning and submission doesn't work, or doesn't work long term, because Google's SERPs and my passive income are proving you wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    Duplicate content is not as big a problem as it is perceived to be throughou tthe IM community. Mirror content on the other hand is a website's kiss of death.

    Respectfully,
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    • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
      Originally Posted by brian_b18 View Post

      Newb question here: I've read contradicting advice on whether or not one can submit the same article to multiple directories. Should it be rewritten, spun, or what-have-you?
      With few exceptions, when an article directory allows their articles to be published, it is with the stipulation that not one word or link be changed. Therefore, if you submit a unique article to EZA, and 999 others copy the article to their sites, there are 1000 copies of your article. If your article is successful (and I assume you want it to be) then it will be duplicated! So, what's the difference?

      Originally Posted by brian_b18 View Post

      In the argument for submitting the same article/content to multiple directories, that is essentially the same thing PR firms and news agencies do: they submit the same story. So what gives?

      Thanks! :rolleyes:
      Brian, you witnessed here a debate between two successful marketers. One is a 5 year veteran and the other a 1 year veteran. They are both, undoubtedly making money. However, I have been here about 3 years and this is what I have observed. Time and time again, when a 1 year veteran succeeds against the grain of the longer term veterans who have been successful 5 or more years, the 1 year veteran either changes his tune or loses and has to start over.

      This is not a fast rule! I believe Jason Fladigan (sp?) broke the rule and leads a new path in some of his teachings and success.

      That being said, if I have to make a decision to do things based on the polar opposites between a long term and a short term veteran, with all respect to both veterans, I would be inclined to go with the long-term vet. For me, until a plan or method has proved itself for 30-36 months, it has not proved itself regardless of what the check stubs say. It just is not time tested.
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      • Profile picture of the author James Hussey
        N4PGW -

        Despite your slight against me for my "newness" to the trade, your advice is sound. Love the Blue Ridge Mountains, btw. Gorgeous (North Carolinian?).

        It is a safer bet to go with the older vet in the trade - except when you're talking about IM...the algo isn't static. It changes. What worked in 1998 doesn't necessarily in 2010 - or 2011.

        SEO is a moving target that doesn't let your ink dry on the sheepskin before your knowledge needs to be checked.

        Viz.: the rel=nofollow tag vs. the newer link masking via robots.txt - that's pretty new.

        Or: Keyword density vs. LDA/I and LSA/I algorithms...SEO doesn't stay still long enough to be mastered by one method, so what I've learned in 2010 is fresh to me as it is to the next guy.

        In 2011 we all start fresh - Twitter and Facebook will likely prove to be game changers as Bing changes SEO and competes with Google leveraging its alliance with Facebook.

        All of a sudden, online reputations and social network are going to help make links look like milk toast...or so Matt Cutts would have us believe in his recent videos...

        My point is: you're right to side with the old hand in the trade. But the trade itself is amorphous and betrays ignorance of those who won't adapt to the newer changes.

        Whether that means I or Wesley will be proven right or wrong in 2011 is irrelevant, it's just to say that A) I think you're wise in your caution, but B) I think I can stand head to head with Wesley, if only because the industry itself is trying to throw us both off the trail.

        Happy New Year, by the way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart S
    I agree with that too, that choosing a few select sites (or even just 1) will usually be the best option.
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  • Profile picture of the author H.Miller
    Originally Posted by tgfilegal23 View Post

    Hey warriors, okay I am VERY frustrated with article marketing. I have been trying to find a decent article submitter. I think the first one I was using cost about 25 bucks and claimed it was automatic but it wasn't and it really ate up about 6 months of teadious work. I just purchased Article Marketing Robot from Vince and this software claims it will submit to over 1000 sites. After creating accounts with all the sites I found that over 600 of the sites don't work or my submissions fail or something. It's so frustrating. I get it i need backlinks but it seems I cannot find a decent article submitter for NOTHING! I AM SO FED UP AND FRUSTRATED. It feels as if I am back at start all over again.....I just need one great article submitter that submits to the top 20 article sites and more. Any advice as to a great article submitter that really submits?
    I totally understand how you feel. Check out Article Submit Auto. It by far is the best article submission software I have ever used. It submits to the top 20 or so directories and it is quick and easy to set up.
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  • Originally Posted by tgfilegal23 View Post

    Hey warriors, okay I am VERY frustrated with article marketing. I have been trying to find a decent article submitter. I think the first one I was using cost about 25 bucks and claimed it was automatic but it wasn't and it really ate up about 6 months of teadious work. I just purchased Article Marketing Robot from Vince and this software claims it will submit to over 1000 sites. After creating accounts with all the sites I found that over 600 of the sites don't work or my submissions fail or something. It's so frustrating. I get it i need backlinks but it seems I cannot find a decent article submitter for NOTHING! I AM SO FED UP AND FRUSTRATED. It feels as if I am back at start all over again.....I just need one great article submitter that submits to the top 20 article sites and more. Any advice as to a great article submitter that really submits?
    I'm giving away a FREE traffic tool on my blog. You might want to try that one. It submits to 10 article sites, 10 RSS feed directory, 10 press release sites, and 10 social bookmarking sites.

    It cost 40 bucks but I'm giving it away for FREE on my blog. Just click on my URL on the sig box.

    Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author howzit06
    Have u tried Facebook? The latest news that facebook has overtaken google, for search and sells? Why is facebook so mush better then google, because u can go viral with facebook for free. So what u should do is point to facebook with your article two way back links. As u post on someone wall all that's person friends see the post as well. U will be on your way to viral marketing. Here u should request 20 friends per day to build up your list of buyers, and if u have 10 facebook profiles then that would be 200 friends per day towards your list. Then on top of that their's lots of other things to do on facebook, for instance the "like" "share" button.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pinkysoll
    I personally like the idea of using software for automation. I don't dispute the fact that making manual submissions is better for long term success in your business.

    I'll keep using both for now and enjoy the double impact.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    Had a look through this thread again and something that immediately came to mind is for those that are opposed to spinners and mass submissions I would offer up that if done properly and in a respectful manner it works great.

    So, with that said, why not conduct a test? Simply pick two of your websites and for one site perform your normal article marketing campaigns. For the second site conduct a mas submission/spinning campaign and after 30 days compare the results. I think you may be surprised at what you find out.

    Respectfully,
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  • Profile picture of the author SAButler
    Frustration is the name of the game! Article marketing and submission is time consuming at best. I would recommend that you do some more research on products available and decide how much you are willing to spend. If something is worth while then it is usually worth spending some money on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    Originally Posted by tgfilegal23 View Post

    Hey warriors, okay I am VERY frustrated with article marketing. I have been trying to find a decent article submitter. I think the first one I was using cost about 25 bucks and claimed it was automatic but it wasn't and it really ate up about 6 months of teadious work. I just purchased Article Marketing Robot from Vince and this software claims it will submit to over 1000 sites. After creating accounts with all the sites I found that over 600 of the sites don't work or my submissions fail or something. It's so frustrating. I get it i need backlinks but it seems I cannot find a decent article submitter for NOTHING! I AM SO FED UP AND FRUSTRATED. It feels as if I am back at start all over again.....I just need one great article submitter that submits to the top 20 article sites and more. Any advice as to a great article submitter that really submits?
    Here is my advice and due to lack of time right now I only read your original post and none of the replies, sorry lots of work to do today.

    Stop working with submitters. They are not worth your time or money. They take forever to get set up and when you do get one that submits to hundreds of article directories half of them are crap if not more.

    If you want an automatic system write 500 word articles and use isnare. They at least get backlinks to your sites, although they do charge per article.

    Another way to go is to pick the top 20 or 30 directories and hire someone to submit to them for you. It is not necessary to have your article out on 1,000 directories as most of them will not even exists after this year anyway. There are always new article directories popping up and leaving us. It is the nature of the beast, however, there are always a good 20 or 30 that actually have some authority, will help your ranking, and will get you some traffic.

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  • Profile picture of the author bigpoppa3
    Wow!!! To submit or not submit that is the question. Is it the chicken or the egg? If the truth is out there it probably rests with each one of you. You got to stick with what succeeds for you. I guess that is why there is split testing! Try multiple options and see which works bests. In the words of someone more erudite than me:

    "Oh behave!!"

    But it is a good discussion to say the least.
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  • Profile picture of the author m4s
    you need nor worry about creating your own articles
    massive passive profits might be the answer you are looking for
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  • Profile picture of the author ScottieScott
    I think it was Benjamin Franklin that said "You can increase your wealth by earning more money, or you can do it by spending less, but the best way to increase your wealth is to do both."

    Why not do both?

    My plan is to write two articles.

    I will submit the first uniquely written, quality article, to the top 10 - 20 article directories. EZine first, then the rest.

    I will take the second article, either written by me, or a decent PLR article re-written by me, and use AMR to submit to as many directories as it can (but not the top 10-20 I manually submit to). I haven't decided if I will spin the AMR article, but I doubt I will.

    I believe there will be a type of synergy in doing this, rather than using just one or the other.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
      Being fairly new to the game, I hesitate to take sides when debates like this arise. Everyone's advice seems valid to me in some regard.


      To the OP: Why not hedge your bets and do both?

      I use article marketing as my primary method of backlinking. I will write an article focusing on quality when I can. I post it to my site and let it get indexed there which usually takes a day or two. I then submit it to EZA and wait for it to get approved. Once it does, I spin the title only (whether it needs it or not because it is easy to do) and hand submit it to the other top 10-20 article directories (takes about 30 mins). Then I take a condensed and partially rewritten version if necessary, spin the titles and use a submitter to blast it out to about 1000 directories by pushing a button. Of those 1000 submissions, 200-300 will actually stick and get posted. I then harvest those urls and ping them to help them get indexed (why not).

      I am still new so I don't know which parts of this strategy work best yet. I have not had time to see the results of natural syndication of the higher quality articles at EZA with my own eyes but I'm certainly hopeful.

      So far, these efforts have taken my new site from non-existent to page 40, then page 32, then page 20, then 15, sooo... My conclusion is that something is working in the short term. It may not work as fast as I want it to but the site is definitely moving up. I think I will continue this and see how it goes. Hopefully that coveted syndication that I hear so much about is in the cards for the future. Only time will tell.

      As far as the debate goes. Even a newcomer with a moderate level of common sense can see that you are both right. Don't waste your energies debating. However, I do thank both of you for the great input.
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  • Profile picture of the author betdav
    I submit my articles manually right now and I have had good results. I have been thinking about using an automated article submitter like the ones mentioned in this thread but after reading most of the replys in this thread I think it is best to do it manually. If you don't have the time to do it manually, outsource the work.
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