The cost of running Warrior Special Offers now $40. Your thoughts?

It would have been a little more diginified if he warned members who contribute greatly to this forum and pay the fees of the WSO (which pays the bills)

And a twofold rise is a little wierd, in my eyes a good move, but badly implemented.

Well, time would tell, The problem with that section use
to be blamed on the cost--it was free, and adding a
price was to fix the problems and I guess it didn't.

Then they tried requiring a War Room membership
and that didn't work.

Maybe $40 is the magic number.

We are in the testing phase.

-Ray Edwards

Yeah, I just listed some websites for sale and found the same thing.

I'm not sure how I feel about it.

Of course it hurts to pay an extra $20 but potentially it could gain you more money if your offer stays on page 1 for longer (not so much in the websites for sale section as that doesn't move so fast as the WSO section)

I guess time will tell!

Lee

It's awesome in the sense that its goal is to eliminate many of the low quality money-grab WSOs that the section has become diluted with. The intention is admirable but I'm not sure how effective it will be. It seems to me that it will still be very rare that a WSO poster will ever end in the red. I'd like to actually see it raised even more.

BryanC most of the terrible WSO will still pop up, as long as they make anything over the fixed cost of running the WSO a lot of people are happy.

The increase is not justified I do not believe. Is the bump still $20? Or is that also $40?

Well I'm going to be soft with my commend since I can not afford to be banned...

Increasing the price doesn't bother me but A nice touch would have been to send out an email to everyone just to let us know about it.

There's people involved not just nickname and bank accounts...

My 2 cents

What's the added value to warrant the price increase?
WarriorPro included now ???
(One can only hope...

Live JoyFully!

Judy

A heads up would have been nice but on reflection, there clearly would have been a bump rush prior to any changes being made. Nothing major but certainly a "waste" of a bump.

Hopefully, we find posting there will be relatively price elastic and if it cuts out some of the crap we see there - then I'm all for it.

If the change cuts the WSO's in half and the price to list is doubled ,then it balances out regardless and any claims it's "all about the money" simply aren't true.

Besides.. it's $20.. if that's too much for people right now then do something else until it's no longer a problem, put your fingers in a few more pies.

I think we're going to see more expensive crap. So, yeah. Good decision.

I think it might cause WSO to be used exclusively by the old timers selling rehashed material that they know will generate enough sales to cover the new fee.

The newbies who are getting their feet wet and anyone who has a genuinely new product that they just can't charge $297 for out of the gate will be discouraged by the new price.

But you have to spend money to make money as they say. The new WSO price will still be plenty reasonable for people with established products.

I'm not sure this will do anything beyond raise prices. Instead of $7 for crap, it'll be $14. LOL

But something had to be done, so might as well test this option. The problem is, the problem will be worse 10-fold if he ever lowers it back. So we're likely stuck with at least this new price. $20 is gone forever, imho. If it works, I won't complain at all.

John

It will help Allen recoup the cash he is evidently down on since knocking out all the link services etc that were 25% or more of the listed WSO's.

Lets hope his plan to get the cash back does not back fire.

So now you wait until you make a bit more profit before bumping it. No big deal.

Most of my sales come through my signature link, and the initial posting. I still bump from time to time, and it does give sales a boost, but the secret to selling WSOs, apart from a good offer is...

Contribution.

The more you contribute, the more you will get noticed, and the more people will feel like they know you.

On the other hand, I wouldn't say I'm thrilled about this decision, but my world isn't going to come to an end because of it.

In the end, it may not be a good or bad thing, really, just different.

All the best,
Michael

If this move was made to cut down on the crappy WSO's being posted, as mentioned in another thread, then I don't believe it will have the desired effect. There are other measures I would personally have implemented before raising the price.

Amen! Great move as far as I'm concerned. Higher price = a slower moving train. WSOs will stay on page 1 & 2 longer.

Just wanted to comment on all the responses that a "warning message" of the pending increase would have been nice...

...I don't think you realize the mass wave of WSOs that would have just flooded the section the minute such a message would have been sent.

So sure...you get your WSO in for $20...and then 5 seconds later it'd be on the bottom of page as the THOUSANDS of Warrior Members who received the same message ALSO submit their "close to finished" products to "save" $20.

Really...any tip off that a pending increase was coming would have had more complaints than benefits...not to mention the then "forced" $40 bump to get your "just paid for" WSO back on Page 1...

So ya...

In terms of slowing down the "crap" released, I think implementing a minimum Post Count (to show how you've helped improve the community prior to selling stuff to it) and maybe even a required amount of time being a member... I dunno

~Dexx

Steven Wagenheim - Good points.

Question: Does WF consider itself an open incubator for new marketers?

Just wondering, because the increase makes it much less appealing.

Like Steven said - for the small guy who still has an honest product but, a low cost product, this price increase, I think, is unreasonable and gives good reason to not participate in WSOs. So, value lost for the WF. bummer.

Standards, not Price, is a better way to increase value to the WF and WSOs. Raising the standards would certainly weed out the bad offers. Raising the price only weeds out more marketers, many of them with solid products that are a good value.

Here's my post from they skyrocketing "Pet Peeves" post...

Quote:
Originally Posted by djleon1

• Have a required field where it is told what the WSO actually does. This should not be too specific but at least give the buyer some idea. Is it software, videos, etc.
• No More Monetary Claims
• Limit the listing to under 700 words or some number that works
• Limit the # of WSO's a member can run at any one time.
• Only one WSO per product - I have seen multple wso's selling the same product. Split-test somewhere else.
• If there are upsells, recurring fees etc they need to be disclosed.
• The product needs to be complete unless disclosed - no buy my WSO for $7 but inorder for it to work you will need to buy product X from me for $97

I think this is a good set of standards.

• They are all achievable
• they favor the buyer
• they do not create unreasonable work for the seller

These standards force sellers to create better products based on disclosure of (1) What the product actually does (and not overstating what it is not), and (2) having to be more succinct in stating the main features and benefits which would make it easier for buyers to read through the fluff. If there is even room for fluff.

The one point I'd like to change is that all WSOs should ALWAYS be a complete product with no upsells attached to "make it work."

Raising the price would only penalize the new marketer making an honest effort to sell a few products, or those who sell lower price products. Just because a product has a low price does not mean its a bad or unworthy product.

A someone who has recently joined this community after being away for years, I'd gladly pay $100 (hypothetically:-) for the opportunity to participate in a forum that is chock full of knowledge, experience and expertise on the topic of making money online.

Well instead of making around $2,500 a day from the WSO board Allen will now make $5,000/day (+/-) or $1.8 million a year so I see it as a smart move.

Personally I'd like to see the price increase to $100+, that will stop the fly by nights.

But then, on the other hand, it might stop newbies marketers from making their first moves in IM.

Want to know what I find to be the funniest thing of all?

I'll tell you.



There are more people complaining about the price going from $20 to $40, then complained about it going from $0 to $20.

That just seems odd to me.

Yes?

All the best,
Michael

Does anyone have any data on the performance difference between selling a product on the WSO forum versus just selling it in the classified ads section?

If newbies like me could be comfortable knowing that our products have just as much of a chance at selling in the classifieds forum as in WSO, just taking longer, it might not be a big deal.

Here is my take...the warning would have been nice, but like anything else that does well prices go up.

I like selling higher quality WSO for cheap as it can out to more people (I am sure if it was only about money, you can make the same on both cheap or expensive, depends on your game plan). This will force me to make the prices of my WSO more.

Cheers
Mukul

HA HA HA HA HA!!! Sorry, but this thread is hilarous.

If the WSO forum IS your only source of income, and an increase in $20 for the fee is your main concern, what would you do if it was shut down forever?

Bye bye business...!

Here's the sensible approach...

Take some of your eggs and put them in another basket.

If you rely on the money that the WSO forum brings you, and you can't pay your bills without it - you should seriously consider the consequences of losing that income stream.

If you're a freelancer, you're probably already leaving money on the table by not asking for repeat business from your existing clients.

If you're offer products, build your FUNNEL, build your LIST and look after it.

For me (at least this year), my WSO's have been entry points into my funnel. I sell my stuff for stupidly low prices and ride the break-even point on the front end.

For me, this will mean one of four things:

1. I test raising/lowering prices so that I maintain the balance
2. I bump fewer products and stop bumping sooner in the product cycle
3. I work harder at adding new products to the funnel and bump the new WSO's for a briefer time period
4. I stop using the WSO section for this purpose

Of the four, #2 will happen first.


(And if it goes away, it's really not a crisis.)

There was a warning... If you see the thread about WSO's and complaints that has been active in the last couple days, which is here you will see allen mentions this as a possibility.

The post got lots of thanks

IMHO it wont raise the quality of WSO's because a lot of scammers are good at making money.

If I run a WSO I plan on making more than $40 anyway or I wouldn't be runinng one.

Well, I only post my offers in the Complete Sites for Sale section as inexpensive PLR sites. This will change the number of listings I bump. When you don't have the huge headlines promising thousands in minutes, you don't have the same kind of sales, so it's a factor. I just lowered my prices, which I probably wouldn't have done if I had known.

I'm on the more is better side. 60-100 would even be better.

For those of you chasing black helicopters...

Only Allen knows for sure, but I strongly suspect that many of the changes he's made to the WSO policies have lowered his income from that section. This change will probably do the same (short term). Only time will tell what it will mean for him in the long term.

If you honestly think Allen is trying to milk this forum for all he can, you really need to open your eyes.

More money is the only reason. I find it humorous that so many people are trying to make excuses for the increase in prices when the real reason is as plain as day. So many of you want to act like this place is run by folks who are saintly. Only in it to help others when, in fact, they are just like us and want to make money.

Follow the link in my sig to get my new report:

HOW TO LIST/BUMP YOUR WSO FOR FREE!!!
ONLY $97

Only 50 copies remaining

I think the price increase can end up being a good thing, and I hardly believe Alan raised the price to bilk more money out of the WSO section.

I also think a more strict enforcement of the WSO rules needs to take place, and income claims if can't be substantiated should not be allowed in any part of a wso thread.

People offering services by using accounts they have with other vendors should be completely cut from the forum in my opinion. If they don't own the site they have no business using it to make money which takes away from the original owners potential market. It is especially bad that Vendor A who, spent tons of time, and money to provide a service to have a member of that service turn around and be allowed to resell it on the same venue resulting in competing against the the vendor who actually owns the service. That's not good, I don't tolerate it and its against my TOS and I do find my users who do it and ban them immediately. Sorry kinda ended up ranting there a bit. = )

Just my two cents.

PS: I plan on bumping every other day btw. = )

The only effect will be that the price for buying WSO's will rise too. It seems that where there used to be plenty of $ 10 and $ 12 WSO's that now $ 17/27/37 seem to be the norm. The "SO" portion of WSO's seems to be forgotten by many who see the WSO as the means to a quick buck without the thought of giving back to the community.

Not that I expect much else these days.... but there are many Warriors who still offer a great deal on their WSO's and really deliver.... and many who don't.

The little guys need to stop thinking like little guys though, and realise that the money is OUT there waiting for them to claim it.

It's not as hard as people want to believe it is.

Most of the little guys just have to actually DO something instead of hoping that things will come to them - they have to take the fight to their target market.

First, I am glad that Allen did not make an announcement that this was going to occur. I fully believe that this would have resulted in a MASSIVE flood of bumps and posts. The net result would have been a lot of wasted cash, because several people would have been on page 1 one moment and pushed out the next.

There is an option of the person who is on the fence about whether or not they should post a WSO, because they are not sure if they will cover the $40 price.

Go ahead and make your WSO offer, but place it on the classified ad portion of the forum. Then place the link to that in your sig file and start contributing like crazy to the forum.

If you minimally price your offer at the very low end of $7, then you only need to make 6 sales before you have earned enough to cover the WSO cost. Then invest that amount and post the WSO.

The best part about that is by the time you do this, you will find that you have a good group of testimonials for the offer.

-Scott Voss

I'm sorry, but I just can't get behind this line of thinking.

You're only a "little guy" (or gal) if you think you are.

If you have a good offer, the increase to $40 won't affect a "little guy" any differently than the "guys with plenty of money and reputation". It's not like you're running a full page magazine ad and the price just went from $15,000 to $30,000.

It's $40. And your ad gets put in front of thousands of people looking to buy. They don't just happen across your ad while reading the current issue's spin on "7 easy steps to 6 pack abs". These are people that fit a certain demographic and psychographic that come to a specific forum looking to spend money on specific types of products and services.

If you don't have an offer capable of generating a positive ROI in a situation like that, you're a "little guy" because of your mindset rather than your bank account balance.

It'll certainly cut some of the crap going through!

I don't sell there and rarely buy, so not really a real consideration for me personally... :rolleyes:

My take is if some of the money were used to 'check' at least new people that do not already have a rep's 1st 1-3 WSOs, that might be the solution to the 'crappy WSO' problem. Of course, people that have a history of good WSOs do not need to be checked.

Otherwise, if you think about it, $40 is not an outrageous amount for what you are getting. If you were not selling on this forum, you'd likely be spending 10+ times that in time and/or money marketing a sales page.:confused:

Someone mentioned Allen's income would go from $900,000 a year to 1.8 million on that one board; his income is really not a factor, IMHO. He is allowed (in America) to make as much as he possibly can. That is just a reality and I do not think anyone, with an ounce of sense, can defend that he ought not to be making as much as he can.

My ½ a cent

Mark

Ya know, I'm reading about all this "good" and "I'm glad", and this is done for a reason stuff. Yes, it can possibly be a good thing.

However, step out of your shoes for a moment. Most of the people make the "I'm glad" comments, and "it should be more" statements, are from the United States! Payments are made in U.S dollars. $40 U.S. in some countries will be $80 in comparison in their currency.

So the question becomes, are the people creating craptacular WSO's in foreign countries?

The only thing an increase in price will do is: 1.) Raise product prices, and 2.)Potentially raise quality.

Instead of text based Ebooks, we'll have some with graphics.

I'm a little depressed about this move.
Double the price is a bad move, made only to rush up mor emoney I think.
The problem is Warrior Forum has no competition at all, and the next month can double it to $80.

By the other side, we will stay on page 1 for longer, because we will never see the newbies trying to see $5 reports or make a try.
And that's a good thing.

We will see in a few weeks if this move is made with care or not.
But I think the boys at WF have took their time to decide and fully evaluate positive and negative issues of their action.

I know only that is difficult to recover $40, and especially the Bumps are gone up too much.
The prices will go up, and I think they will be doubled as well, and this is a bad things for customers but good for sellers.

It's a bad day, also because that was at all unexpected and I'm not prepared and a little bit confused.

Think people, think...
Only the time can give us a solution.

See you soon,
Alessandro Zamboni

I only skimmed the thread, but want to put in my 2 cents about this, sorry if any of this is a repeat. I feel like eliminating the crap would be great, the make xxxx in 1 day by eating bananas crap has to go, but you want to know the only real way to eliminate it? Its not making WSO's $200, its to stop consuming it. Stop buying crap after you have read 5,000 threads about how there is not magic button or system, stop falling prey to sleazy sales tactics, your not going to make 9k in 7 days watching over his or her shoulder. The other thing I want to bring up is how much is a small classified ad in a niche magazine or periodical? When you compare costs, $40 may seem great, ot it may seem outrageous, but you have to compare. Sure go sell on DP or other places, deal with everyone asking for review copies and others saying untrue negative crap about something you are selling. I think the $40 wso gives some nice protection of staying within the community.

I run a ton of WSO's and I welcome this and any future price increases. I imagine the exposure on page 1 will increase.

What really needs to be done is ADD some more Moderators to the payroll!
Change can come from actual work vs. automation too.

I haven't read this whole thread yet but I have to make a point many here seem to be missing or simply not know about.

People on the Internet are incredibly spoiled. I started out offline, in classifieds ads. Try your hand at making money with those in the back of magazines and then come back here to the WSO section and see the difference.

The fact is, $20 is so cheap that people don't even have to try. They don't even to learn basic copywriting skills. They don't have to do much more than spend an evening writing up some junk and throwing it up there.

Please, do me a favor and give offline classifieds a shot. I can tell you now that 99% of the people who make money online right now would fail offline. Probably more...

Even at $40 the truth is it's still too cheap for the amount of traffic that comes through here. If I was someone out to truly squeeze every dime out of a site possible things would be far different than they are right now, trust me on that.

Allen

My goodness there's a lot of entitlement complex going on in this thread.

Wake up everyone. This forum doesn't owe you anything.

I think if you look at the effects mathematically you will gain better insight into the effects. For example, If the majority of the people believe it will slow down the thread then what is the natural progression?...Bump your thread at the optimal time. Now if only 30 of us believe that is at 5:00PM on Tuesday, then guess what? You just spent $40 to be potentially number 30 on page 1 in a matter of minutes. In other words, the problem is not solved, and that theory is disproven.

Now...

Let's say the majority of people think it will change nothing. What is the natural progression then? Do the SAME thing you have always done and the speed of the thread remains relatively the same. No change.

I can tell you from a personal point of view, I will no longer be bumping my thread. I refuse to sell to 300+ people at a great price and then jack it up because I have to make 3x as many sales to cover the cost. That is just bad business IMHO (Not bad in the real world, but definitely bad for a WSO that explicitly states the price MUST be lower than what the buyer can get elsewhere. One of the fundamental driving principals of a WSO IS the cost!

$7 is a common bargain for a WSO, and instead of 3 sales to cover the cost it now requires 6. Six sales for a brand new WSO from an unknown marketer is a daunting task. And it's not just 6 sales. It's 6 sales every day or every other day (or every third day). That only comes easy to handful of marketers.

Now before some of you go off the deep end about "well, create a high quality product and develop a good reputation", remember this:

The majority of the most successful marketers of WSO's developed that reputation as a result of free posting. Testing the waters was easy and FREE. That is not even remotely an option for many now. The caveat to this is the majority of brand new WSO's will likely be the products of established and reputable marketers which will offer "them" free reign over cost.

I have found a lot of great stuff at $7 in the past, but the important thing to note here is that I found it BECAUSE it was $7. Not everyone can be a great copywriter, and regardless of how good a product is, the message isn't always going to be conveyed clearly. Some of you are outstanding marketers, the rest of us may not be. But that is of no consequence to the quality of products being marketed.

I agree that $40 is extremely unappealing to a new marketer who has NO idea how their product will perform.

I also agree that driving traffic from alternate sources is a great solution.

Now after reading the entire thread I must say that the "surprise" of the price increase was the only way to go with this.

As an individual living on a fixed (and very humble) income, this affects me significantly, notwithstanding the fact I never tried to scam anyone here.

Maybe a better solution may have been a requirement to submit the actual product for evaluation prior to posting the WSO, I don't know.

Just my 2 1/2 cents! :-)

John

Personally, I don't think that the price of entry will have any effect on quality. Some of my favorite gems from the WSO section came from some very poorly written headlines. The only way we're going to weed out bad players is to have more people get involved in leaving feedback after a purchase.

Just let's be clear here:
1. WSO's - $40
2. WSO Bumps - $40
3. Classified (currently at $40) -- but that will be fixed.
4. Products & Services - $40 ??
5. Warriors for hire -- $40??

Not sure on 4 & 5 - anyone can clear that up?

The price should not be a problem if it does actually manage to weed out any of the crap. If it does, great, I would like to pay $40 to have my wso stay on the first page for longer when I launch my article writing wso.

Just posted a WSO and noticed the change. Came to the main forum to rant and saw this thread. I've read it.....I get it.....I'm over it!

Caiden

It's just made it more expensive (doubled the price) for lead generation.

Those people starting out, or with a legit service trying to make a name for themselves will find it too expensive, unless they learn or hire someone expert at copywriting to make them sales to cover the cost.

lol I bet this thread goes on for pages.

Where do I stand in this, well lets put it this way, I stopped posting WSO's months ago because I just couldn't see the point. It got lost very quickly amongst the crap.

I looked in there earlier today and clicked away because it was suh a mess. I'll probably start using it again now it's getting cleaned up.

I used to use the WSO forum mainly to test out my stuff and to give warriors a decent price on articles and whatever else I was selling, I've never used it as a main source of income and to be honest if you're doing so, then you're mad.

I mentioned in a previous thread on this topic, and I think its been said on this thread also, where else could you put your product in front of so many laser targeted prospects for such a small amount of money. (A definite entitlement mentality in this place)..

Count yourself lucky the boss didn't raise the price any higher. (I'd certainly be ok with it if he did)

Kim