can some clickbank.com products be scam?

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im promoting clickbank products and i want to know if it's possible that some of them are scams? i got complaints about the survey sites such as paid surveys etc that might be a scam....
#clickbankcom #fail #hypocrite #products #scam
  • Profile picture of the author Sean Fry
    obviously.
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    • Profile picture of the author fazal5555
      Originally Posted by snowtiger View Post

      obviously.
      ugh...that means i promoted some scams this isnt good...

      well im sorting from most popular products to less... so i thought popular products werent scams....since they have a high gravity and are popular...what the hell?
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      • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
        Originally Posted by fazal5555 View Post

        ugh...that means i promoted some scams this isnt good...

        well im sorting from most popular products to less... so i thought popular products werent scams....since they have a high gravity and are popular...what the hell?
        You have to do a LOT more research than that to be a successful affiliate marketer.

        I assume that you either have a list or are building one? Just promoting every ClickBank product that seems to be doing well is a good way to quickly kill that list and ruin your Affiliate Marketing career, not to mention your reputation.

        I strongly recommend that you never promote anything that you have not purchased and used yourself. It is a necessary business expense for every affiliate marketer.

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        • Profile picture of the author fazal5555
          Originally Posted by mywebwork View Post

          You have to do a LOT more research than that to be a successful affiliate marketer.

          I assume that you either have a list or are building one? Just promoting every ClickBank product that seems to be doing well is a good way to quickly kill that list and ruin your Affiliate Marketing career, not to mention your reputation.

          I strongly recommend that you never promote anything that you have not purchased and used yourself. It is a necessary business expense for every affiliate marketer.

          Bill
          Yes thats a good advice.... glad to see someone from montreal

          but seriously this is horrible, i thought they were legitimate products! i am making reviews while not having used the product. anyways.. i just want to make some commissions my intentions are scamming people
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by fazal5555 View Post

            i am making reviews while not having used the product.
            And you're complaining about other people's ethics?! :rolleyes:

            Have you ever heard the saying "He who comes to equity must come with clean hands"?
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        • Profile picture of the author SledgeHammer
          Originally Posted by mywebwork View Post

          You have to do a LOT more research than that to be a successful affiliate marketer.

          I assume that you either have a list or are building one? Just promoting every ClickBank product that seems to be doing well is a good way to quickly kill that list and ruin your Affiliate Marketing career, not to mention your reputation.

          I strongly recommend that you never promote anything that you have not purchased and used yourself. It is a necessary business expense for every affiliate marketer.

          Bill
          You cannot purchase & try every product esp. when you are starting up.
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by SledgeHammer View Post

            You cannot purchase & try every product esp. when you are starting up.
            It's simple, in that case. Don't write "I used it and it's great" type reviews.

            Creating reviews based on other peoples' experience and your own analysis is a valid service you can provide.

            Instead of a fake "I was down and out until I got this product, and now I live in a mansion with my lingerie model girlfriend..." POS, you could write

            "This product promises to deliver [benefit]. According to my research at several independent rating sites (not phony reviews by sales reps on commission), it delivers in spades."

            But only write something like that if it's true.

            The truth is out there...
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            • Profile picture of the author mrbawb
              Hi fazal5555,

              A lesson learned here is this...

              ...when you learn you've hit on a scam write a review warning people about it and offer an alternative.

              Turn that lead into gold!
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              • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                Hi fazal5555,

                sadly, some people are idiots and they wont ask refunds and complain that they lost their money...
                Any logic underlying this presumption of idiocy?

                Did you mean to say 'uninformed' or 'overly honest' as opposed to 'idiots'?

                Not only has Alexa pointed out your hypocrisy regarding 'other peoples' ethics', but for the same reason (you promote products unseen) you're doing it again.

                Only an idiot would assume -

                i thought popular products werent scams....since they have a high gravity and are popular...[snip]...i got complaints
                ...yet you're calling others idiots for being too honest.

                i just want to make some commissions my intentions are scamming people
                Have you considered proof-reading your posts before pressing 'submit'?
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    • Profile picture of the author Vogin
      ClickBank doesn't care if the products are legal, true, not scammy or whatever. They are the middle-men to do the paperwork, nothing more, nothing less.
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      • Profile picture of the author fazal5555
        Originally Posted by Vogin View Post

        ClickBank doesn't care if the products are legal, true, not scammy or whatever. They are the middle-men to do the paperwork, nothing more, nothing less.

        thats too bad and surprising, i thought products that were approved on clickbank were legitimate...dont they have a safe payment processsor?
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        • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
          Originally Posted by fazal5555 View Post

          thats too bad and surprising, i thought products that were approved on clickbank were legitimate...dont they have a safe payment processsor?
          Perhaps it would be a good idea to login to your ClickBank account and check the process that Vendors have to go through to post products. Essentially they:

          - Get their product and sales page ready for action
          - Do a "test" run to make sure the payment and delivery process works
          - Apply to ClickBank to have the product approved
          - After approval pay the 50 dollar fee to ClickBank for a listing

          The approval process is not extensive. As long as the product doesn't violate any of ClickBank's TOS it will be approved. It is not ClickBank's job to pretest the products for you.

          Originally Posted by fazal5555 View Post

          glad to see someone from montreal
          As am I. There is a very active Internet Marketing community here, you might consider attending some meetings. The Internet Entrepreneurs Meetup is this Sunday up near the Mont Royal Metro station. Check meetup.com or PM me if you are interested in attending.

          Bill
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          • Profile picture of the author fazal5555
            Originally Posted by mywebwork View Post

            Perhaps it would be a good idea to login to your ClickBank account and check the process that Vendors have to go through to post products. Essentially they:

            - Get their product and sales page ready for action
            - Do a "test" run to make sure the payment and delivery process works
            - Apply to ClickBank to have the product approved
            - After approval pay the 50 dollar fee to ClickBank for a listing

            The approval process is not extensive. As long as the product doesn't violate any of ClickBank's TOS it will be approved. It is not ClickBank's job to pretest the products for you.



            As am I. There is a very active Internet Marketing community here, you might consider attending some meetings. The Internet Entrepreneurs Meetup is this Sunday up near the Mont Royal Metro station. Check meetup.com or PM me if you are interested in attending.

            Bill
            thx for replying.... i cant send a pm because my post count isnt greater then 50. I'm interested in the meetup and i know where is mont royal metro station. pm me ur email, i will reply back.
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            • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
              Originally Posted by fazal5555 View Post

              thx for replying.... i cant send a pm because my post count isnt greater then 50. I'm interested in the meetup and i know where is mont royal metro station. pm me ur email, i will reply back.
              PM sent, hope to see you there.

              Bill
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      • Profile picture of the author Elsa
        Originally Posted by Vogin View Post

        ClickBank doesn't care if the products are legal, true, not scammy or whatever. They are the middle-men to do the paperwork, nothing more, nothing less.

        Guys, I just hate this fact.

        I found some scam products on Clickbank related to health and wellness. They use the same copy & template, fake names, fake photos (taken from stock photos), fake testimonials, and fake "as seen on tv".

        For example, look at the two sites:
        www . eczemafreeforever . com
        www . psoriasisfreeforlife . com

        Unfortunately they have high gravity.

        I hope Clickbank will solve this issue and for affiliates,
        lets give our honest reviews, including the scam ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamjar919
    Yes quite a lot of them are scams or have untrue information like...

    Saying they have limited copies when they dont
    Photoshopping screenshots
    Repeat information

    But fortunately clickbank makes it easy to get a refund so if it is useless - you can get your money back.

    NEVER promote bad products, you will get a very high number of refunds.
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  • Profile picture of the author 6secrets
    I made a video just for this kind of research.
    The gist of it is for this thread - Look for proven results,
    make sure they tell you what the product does, and
    avoid fake reviews by checking trusted sites.
    If it has a link to the sales page - 99% chance its a bias review.

    My latest find is complaints.com
    Which has helped me find out right away which programs are scams.
    At least with CB, you can refund the product, but I'd still rather not deal with the junk in the first place.
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    • Profile picture of the author fazal5555
      the thing with clickbank products is that it's often products that dont deliver and are a waste of money

      imreportcard is also a good site to see people's comments

      yourbillkiller or some other products have really negative comments for example...
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    Does it matter if they are. Get a refund.
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    • Profile picture of the author fazal5555
      Originally Posted by pavionjsl View Post

      Does it matter if they are. Get a refund.

      You are right on that part... yes they can be scams but you can ask for a refund. sadly, some people are idiots and they wont ask refunds and complain that they lost their money...
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  • Profile picture of the author 6secrets
    It is very sad. I never want to trick people out of their money, even if they are less intelligent. I realize someone else will take their money, but at least I'll be able to keep a clear conscience.
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    • Profile picture of the author fazal5555
      Originally Posted by 6secrets View Post

      It is very sad. I never want to trick people out of their money, even if they are less intelligent. I realize someone else will take their money, but at least I'll be able to keep a clear conscience.

      you are right on that part too though...i dnt want to trick people, i removed surveys sites reviews from my site for a first step. im really upset at clickbank.com, why let people that intentions are scamming people in? i thought it was more professional then this
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    I had someone buy my CB product and used their own affiliate ID to buy.. so they bought the product with 75% discount.

    Not even sure that's allowed..
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    • Profile picture of the author fazal5555
      Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

      I had someone buy my CB product and used their own affiliate ID to buy.. so they bought the product with 75% discount.

      Not even sure that's allowed..

      i doubt it is... i remember reading that in rules section
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by fazal5555 View Post

        Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

        I had someone buy my CB product and used their own affiliate ID to buy.. so they bought the product with 75% discount.

        Not even sure that's allowed..
        i doubt it is... i remember reading that in rules section
        It is allowed, and rightly so.

        This thread and this thread may interest you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoseArmando
    Depends on what's your definition of a scam
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    • Profile picture of the author fazal5555
      Originally Posted by JoseArmando View Post

      Depends on what's your definition of a scam
      a scam would be like a vendor selling products but stealing people's money and etc...

      though again, clickbank.com offers refunds as someone mentionned.. a scam wouldnt be lies, overhyping since thats what 99% of products are all about
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    • Profile picture of the author suaveymcsuave
      Originally Posted by JoseArmando View Post

      Depends on what's your definition of a scam
      Exactly. The word scam is just another way to say fraud. When somebody is scammed they are promised goods or services for the exchange of goods or services. You do your part of the deal, but somehow you never see your return because the originator of the deal has just taken all of your money and ran. He/she has just defrauded you. Simply put.

      Scam:

      A person you meet who seems reputable claims you can make thousands of dollars by investing in X product. You invest hundreds or thousands of dollars in X product but X product never existed and you never hear or see from that person again.

      Not a Scam:

      Same situation as above but both the person and product are legit this time. Instead of making thousands you only made hundreds because a number of things happened that were out of anyone's control. If the person had some sort of terms of service stating that the claim of thousands just occurred during extraordinary situations and you signed that document accepting the terms then that is on you. If the person didn't legally protect themselves well then that is just stupidity, still no scam, just bad business.

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  • Profile picture of the author 6secrets
    There are thousands of ways you can classify or justify what you put your name on.

    I think when it comes to all the spam-scammery you just have to ask yourself - Are you helping people? - or do you get the feeling you're kicking (less intelligent) puppies... while they're down.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Jordan
      Yes, and not just clickbank. There are also in CJ and Neverblue and other affiliate networks. BTW, is anyone familiar with SnapDollars?
      It is a paid to survey site and I'm wondering if it's a scam or not. thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author NijThinkIt
    Loads of stuff on clickbank is a scam, but then some of the things on there are damn good!!

    You can tell what is a scam and what isnt by how long its been up there, how they present their offers (professional looking design, valid testimonials, if they have a youtube channel, a blog etc) and also by the gravity. If it has a high gravity and has been around for more than a year then its probably a very good product with low refund rates. If it was a crap product, no super affiliate would touch it and the gravity would probably be a lot lower.

    Hope this helps

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  • Profile picture of the author magicmarcus
    if you see a good market for it... buy the product and review it.

    buying the product allows you to see if its a scam or junk or just sucks

    then you will have more knowledge about how to promote it and can build a site around it.

    i try to promote things i personally try... even with cpa stuff because i want to give the best value to my users... and in return i get a better list and make money for a long time.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoweb2000
    yes, some of them are hyped and lies, but they all come with a 60day money back guarantee and the courses all contain something of value for someone. So you have nothing to lose, if a customer is unhappy they can simply ask for their money back .
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  • Profile picture of the author yours2u
    I love a good sales page and have bought 10's of unbelieveably hyped CB products. That's the nature of the goods sold, hence, 60 day guarantee which I've never seen questioned. If they had to look into every return they'd go bankrupt.
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  • Profile picture of the author alfeathea
    With CB, some of it is good as information, but not much else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Derek Soto
    The best rule you can ever follow to keep your credibility as an affiliate marketer is to review EVERY product you promote or you'll burn your list so fast your head will spin and/or your return rates will be through the roof and that will make it hardly worth your time. Whoever treats their customers the best wins long term...
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