Which WSO actually made you over $500/month?

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Hey guys/gals,

I am kind of new around here but thought I'd post this to strike up some interesting conversation. I am not looking to get rich fast by any means, I already am working on implementing a couple great WSO's I just bought, and thought that this would make for an interesting read for us.

So here it goes:

Have you ever purchased a WSO that you have actually followed to the 'T' and it has made you over $500/month?

If so please list the WSO and link would be helpful


***please no promoting your own WSO or "I could have made that much if I worked harder" I just want to know what WSO's people are making money off of because I hardly ever see revenue claims in the special offers forums.
#$500 or month #made #wso
  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
    I'm not much of a WSO buyer but the information in the War Room (or rather Allen's section of it since the War Room itself is pretty naff) is directly responsible for large chunks of my income.

    That said, it's not one method. It's not a system that you can follow and be guaranteed to make $xyz a month. But it is some of the best education available.
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  • Profile picture of the author abdin66
    Yes, the offers vary but I use them mostly for research and ideas. I'm not a prolific buyer but I do keep a look out for WSO on traffic generation.

    I make my income with a combination of methods but not one which is completely based on a WSO offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
    It depends on your area. If you target CPA marketing, buy a WSO from Kenster, Mike Morgan or Williarm. Those ebooks are excellent to work with CPA.
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  • Profile picture of the author forfun_cash
    a big ZERO. I've bought more than 20 WSOs that promises 100/day, 51253.12/month, 1245.12/week. All doesn't work. (keep in mind that i actually spent time and effort implementing them).

    However that provided me a good lesson that i should stop buying and start taking actions on things i already know.

    P.S. It's shocking that people provide 'POSITIVE' reviews on crap WSOs. On further check, they are either seasonal 'positive' reviewers or 0-20 post/1 month old warriors LOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mario Brown
      Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

      a big ZERO. I've bought more than 20 WSOs that promises 100/day, 51253.12/month, 1245.12/week. All doesn't work. (keep in mind that i actually spent time and effort implementing them).

      However that provided me a good lesson that i should stop buying and start taking actions on things i already know.

      P.S. It's shocking that people provide 'POSITIVE' reviews on crap WSOs. On further check, they are either seasonal 'positive' reviewers or 0-20 post/1 month old warriors LOL.
      Hm you bought 20 (!) WSO's and had the time to fully implement each of them?

      ..and you still couldn't get to $500 a month.

      I'm not sure then if that's the fault of the WSO's anymore, you might want to change you approach when implementing WSO's or maybe you where working on too many projects at a time rather than laser focusing on one of them.

      Cheers,
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      • Profile picture of the author forfun_cash
        Originally Posted by Mario Brown View Post

        Hm you bought 20 (!) WSO's and had the time to fully implement each of them?

        ..and you still couldn't get to $500 a month.

        I'm not sure then if that's the fault of the WSO's anymore, you might want to change you approach when implementing WSO's or maybe you where working on too many projects at a time rather than laser focusing on one of them.

        Cheers,
        Mario
        Hi Mario,

        Thanks for advice. However, those 20+ WSOs were bought in a period of 2yrs+. The first advice i was given when i was introduced to IM was to stick to one method until you succeed.

        No doubt, some WSO made me some money but it's more of $500/6 months. Some could actually bring me more than $500/mth but that would require more than 12 hours of work everyday.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

      a big ZERO. I've bought more than 20 WSOs that promises 100/day, 51253.12/month, 1245.12/week. All doesn't work. (keep in mind that i actually spent time and effort implementing them).

      However that provided me a good lesson that i should stop buying and start taking actions on things i already know.

      P.S. It's shocking that people provide 'POSITIVE' reviews on crap WSOs. On further check, they are either seasonal 'positive' reviewers or 0-20 post/1 month old warriors LOL.
      I'm so confused by your posts, it's not even funny. Unless I am reading things wrong, why should I EVER ever listen to anything you say?

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...te-before.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ip-burger.html

      ....and, then, I look at some of your posts in this thread, and the WSO link in your signature, and I can't make sense of anything....

      And...THIS is why the WSO price went up, and why it SHOULD be at $100....

      If you need help, then ask for it, but don't tarnish the entire face of IM by blatantly lying and deceiving people like that. You get nowhere if you choose to stoop to the level that alot of IM'ers do, all for the almighty dollar.
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      • Profile picture of the author jkmg
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        I'm so confused by your posts, it's not even funny. Unless I am reading things wrong, why should I EVER ever listen to anything you say?

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...te-before.html

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ip-burger.html

        ....and, then, I look at some of your posts in this thread, and the WSO link in your signature, and I can't make sense of anything....

        And...THIS is why the WSO price went up, and why it SHOULD be at $100....

        If you need help, then ask for it, but don't tarnish the entire face of IM by blatantly lying and deceiving people like that. You get nowhere if you choose to stoop to the level that alot of IM'ers do, all for the almighty dollar.
        Very nice observations.
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        • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
          This type of question isn't valid - containing a fraudulent presupposition within.

          Which golf club made you win at golf?

          Which tennis racket/
          racquet made you win at tennis?

          Which microphone made you sing great?


          Which FORUM actually made you over 500 posts?


          But with regards to your post...

          Steven Wagenheim is spot on, none of them make you money.

          YOU make yourself money.

          IM products are simply tools to help you do that.
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      • Profile picture of the author forfun_cash
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        I'm so confused by your posts, it's not even funny. Unless I am reading things wrong, why should I EVER ever listen to anything you say?

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...te-before.html

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ip-burger.html

        ....and, then, I look at some of your posts in this thread, and the WSO link in your signature, and I can't make sense of anything....

        And...THIS is why the WSO price went up, and why it SHOULD be at $100....

        If you need help, then ask for it, but don't tarnish the entire face of IM by blatantly lying and deceiving people like that. You get nowhere if you choose to stoop to the level that alot of IM'ers do, all for the almighty dollar.
        Haha I understand. I think ALL WSO sellers will come and blast me as well with that post.

        Thinking about it, maybe i should go post another WSO because it's so profitable. It took me 1 hour to write the PDF and another 1 hour(could be faster now) to write the sales page and within 16 hours, i had 17 sales x $9.90 before the thread drop to 2nd page. Minus $20 WSO fee, it's $140 profit for 2 hours work. Now, obviously the offline method works but the sales pitch works better.

        Anyway, if not for
        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...te-before.html which happened around the same date as my WSO launch, i would have gone on to launch more WSO which i could EASILY make 2k/mth working 2 hours per day or LESS.

        Obviously i'm not gonna release this method as a WSO since it's golden and i dont see anyone mentioning about it, not even if anyone offer me $5000 bucks. I do not think it's me alone but i would blatantly guess that 10/10 people would never release a money making method that is not known yet. If he releases it, you can bet that thousands already know it and in this case, won't make you $1241.4/week or 132.12/day.

        And if you notice the WSO thread, see how many POSITIVE reviews i got LOL. Seriously, and i want everyone here reading this post to know, positive reviews is a NORM unless your product is an utter insult to human's intelligence. I could have bumped the WSO and another $140 + 3 positive reviews would come in. You know what? I could use that old thread above which was posted 1 yr+ ago and make it into a story of being a begger to some rich guy in just a yr. Guess this story alone would make people take out their wallet faster than running away from a tiger.

        Sure, ethical people would start hating me now for being such a wuss, and all WSO sellers will start cursing me now because i exposed the facts. But i don't care since i do not need to make any WSO anymore. But wait, NOT ALL WSOs are crap. I do find all the WSOs that provide services or softwares superb and i will continue purchasing from them. Maybe wf should ban WSOs that 'teaches' people how to make money online and increase the WSO fee to $100 instead of $40.

        For everyone reading this, i do not care what you think about me but get this fact straight:

        -You can never purchase 'money making secrets'

        -There is no magic bullet product that you can start earning 100/day or whatsoever

        -Purchase only information you need like maybe.. seo tips where people consolidate it into one pdf if you are lazy to find it all over the forums.

        -You have to put in hard work to make money. Forget about the hype when you are first introduced to IM; work 20 mins earn xxxx

        -Suucess often come from trial and testing. And it came to me after i spent so much time failing and failing.


        Now i hope you will start making real money by not spending on redundant products again.
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          Maybe my thinking is so bizarrely out in left field, but who cares about how much money you made off a WSO, if it came as a result of flat-out deceiving people. Apparently, in your case, the ends justify the means because you clearly make money from this "method"....

          "-Suucess often come from trial and testing. And it came to me after i spent so much time failing and failing."

          So, after failing and failing, your resorted to lying, and now you are successful?

          I don't know which is more disturbing....some of your posts and threads, or the fact that more people don't find your ethically compromised behavior absolutely appalling. Apparently, this is becoming the 'norm' in this industry...especially when I glance over WSO threads, and realize that, while some may be telling the truth, most probably aren't.

          Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

          Haha I understand. I think ALL WSO sellers will come and blast me as well with that post.

          Thinking about it, maybe i should go post another WSO because it's so profitable. It took me 1 hour to write the PDF and another 1 hour(could be faster now) to write the sales page and within 16 hours, i had 17 sales x $9.90 before the thread drop to 2nd page. Minus $20 WSO fee, it's $140 profit for 2 hours work. Now, obviously the offline method works but the sales pitch works better.

          Anyway, if not for
          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...te-before.html which happened around the same date as my WSO launch, i would have gone on to launch more WSO which i could EASILY make 2k/mth working 2 hours per day or LESS.

          Obviously i'm not gonna release this method as a WSO since it's golden and i dont see anyone mentioning about it, not even if anyone offer me $5000 bucks. I do not think it's me alone but i would blatantly guess that 10/10 people would never release a money making method that is not known yet. If he releases it, you can bet that thousands already know it and in this case, won't make you $1241.4/week or 132.12/day.

          And if you notice the WSO thread, see how many POSITIVE reviews i got LOL. Seriously, and i want everyone here reading this post to know, positive reviews is a NORM unless your product is an utter insult to human's intelligence. I could have bumped the WSO and another $140 + 3 positive reviews would come in. You know what? I could use that old thread above which was posted 1 yr+ ago and make it into a story of being a begger to some rich guy in just a yr. Guess this story alone would make people take out their wallet faster than running away from a tiger.

          Sure, ethical people would start hating me now for being such a wuss, and all WSO sellers will start cursing me now because i exposed the facts. But i don't care since i do not need to make any WSO anymore. But wait, NOT ALL WSOs are crap. I do find all the WSOs that provide services or softwares superb and i will continue purchasing from them. Maybe wf should ban WSOs that 'teaches' people how to make money online and increase the WSO fee to $100 instead of $40.

          For everyone reading this, i do not care what you think about me but get this fact straight:

          -You can never purchase 'money making secrets'

          -There is no magic bullet product that you can start earning 100/day or whatsoever

          -Purchase only information you need like maybe.. seo tips where people consolidate it into one pdf if you are lazy to find it all over the forums.

          -You have to put in hard work to make money. Forget about the hype when you are first introduced to IM; work 20 mins earn xxxx

          -Suucess often come from trial and testing. And it came to me after i spent so much time failing and failing.


          Now i hope you will start making real money by not spending on redundant products again.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            Maybe my thinking is so bizarrely out in left field, but who cares about how much money you made off a WSO, if it came as a result of flat-out deceiving people. Apparently, in your case, the ends justify the means because you clearly make money from this "method"....

            "-Suucess often come from trial and testing. And it came to me after i spent so much time failing and failing."

            So, after failing and failing, your resorted to lying, and now you are successful?

            I don't know which is more disturbing....some of your posts and threads, or the fact that more people don't find your ethically compromised behavior absolutely appalling. Apparently, this is becoming the 'norm' in this industry...especially when I glance over WSO threads, and realize that, while some may be telling the truth, most probably aren't.

            Honestly, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at forfun's post.

            But I'm definitely shaking my head over it.

            Forfun, you are one piece of work my friend.

            PS - Another one for my black book
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            • Profile picture of the author forfun_cash
              Please don't cry steven. You should laugh because my first WSO was from you 2 years+ back on how to find a profitable niche(LOL). Obviously i didn't learn my lesson and continued to burn myself buying multiple WSOs

              Actually that WSO did found me the greatest and most profitable niche on earth which is IM niche because people like me would actually spend 10 odd bucks on finding a niche and i'm sure most people would

              PS - Cant find a space for you in any book, sorry.

              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              Honestly, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at forfun's post.

              But I'm definitely shaking my head over it.

              Forfun, you are one piece of work my friend.

              PS - Another one for my black book
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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

                Please don't cry steven. You should laugh because my first WSO was from you 2 years+ back on how to find a profitable niche(LOL). Obviously i didn't learn my lesson and continued to burn myself buying multiple WSOs

                Actually that WSO did found me the greatest and most profitable niche on earth which is IM niche because people like me would actually spend 10 odd bucks on finding a niche and i'm sure most people would

                PS - Cant find a space for you in any book, sorry.
                I'm not exactly sure what your reply is trying to say, but whatever.

                By all means though, feel free to blame me for your failures or not credit
                me for your successes.

                Either way, makes no difference to me.
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          • Profile picture of the author forfun_cash
            'So, after failing and failing, your resorted to lying, and now you are successful?'

            haha it's strange that you are behaving in such cynical way especially with 2k+ post, i thought you should have seen it all.

            i don't lie to be successful. In fact i dont even call it lying but fierce marketing.

            and obviously it's not 'becoming' a trend now but already was 2 years back when i first chanced upon wf.

            at least i'm bringing the truth to all newcomers now about the scene behind 'make money quick' WSOs and i consider this the greatest advice all newcomers must know.

            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            Maybe my thinking is so bizarrely out in left field, but who cares about how much money you made off a WSO, if it came as a result of flat-out deceiving people. Apparently, in your case, the ends justify the means because you clearly make money from this "method"....

            "-Suucess often come from trial and testing. And it came to me after i spent so much time failing and failing."

            So, after failing and failing, your resorted to lying, and now you are successful?

            I don't know which is more disturbing....some of your posts and threads, or the fact that more people don't find your ethically compromised behavior absolutely appalling. Apparently, this is becoming the 'norm' in this industry...especially when I glance over WSO threads, and realize that, while some may be telling the truth, most probably aren't.
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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              People need to stay away from "marketers" like you.

              Look at your signature line.

              Is that truth or is it a lie?

              "In fact i dont even call it lying but fierce marketing."

              You have got to be kidding me.

              Find a unique selling proposition that doesn't rely on completely deceiving people with falsified earnings' statements.

              "and obviously it's not 'becoming' a trend now but already was 2 years back when i first chanced upon wf."

              So, because of THIS, you justify your actions? Because 'everyone else' does it?

              You are painting a horrible horrible face on what we do.

              And, I know there are many many marketers out there like you, but, because your posts are just so utterly incongruent and inconsistent, you have to understand why this is surface now. Some people will do this all in hiding, but you make your actions and intentions known to everyone on this board.

              I don't have a very high opinion of you right now, but, based on previous posts, I'm sure you could care less.

              Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

              'So, after failing and failing, your resorted to lying, and now you are successful?'

              haha it's strange that you are behaving in such cynical way especially with 2k+ post, i thought you should have seen it all.

              i don't lie to be successful. In fact i dont even call it lying but fierce marketing.

              and obviously it's not 'becoming' a trend now but already was 2 years back when i first chanced upon wf.

              at least i'm bringing the truth to all newcomers now about the scene behind 'make money quick' WSOs and i consider this the greatest advice all newcomers must know.
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          • Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            I don't know which is more disturbing....some of your posts and threads, or the fact that more people don't find your ethically compromised behavior absolutely appalling. Apparently, this is becoming the 'norm' in this industry...especially when I glance over WSO threads, and realize that, while some may be telling the truth, most probably aren't.
            Appalling is a good way to put it. I definitely saw it that way and thought about speaking up myself but I still consider myself a relative newbie here so I kept my two cents to myself on this one. Definitely made a note not to ever do business with this guy though.
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          • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            Maybe my thinking is so bizarrely out in left field, but who cares about how much money you made off a WSO, if it came as a result of flat-out deceiving people. Apparently, in your case, the ends justify the means because you clearly make money from this "method"....

            "-Suucess often come from trial and testing. And it came to me after i spent so much time failing and failing."

            So, after failing and failing, your resorted to lying, and now you are successful?

            I don't know which is more disturbing....some of your posts and threads, or the fact that more people don't find your ethically compromised behavior absolutely appalling. Apparently, this is becoming the 'norm' in this industry...especially when I glance over WSO threads, and realize that, while some may be telling the truth, most probably aren't.
            I hate to sound like a prick, but before accusing someone of lying etc, please check the links you just posted. The OP said he bought 20+ WSO's over a 2 year period and didn't make money. Today he is saying the way he made money was by implementing what he already knew, taking action and not by constantly buying new WSO's. The post saying he was desperate was posted in 2009, in the 2 year period where he made no money. Maybe, recently, he has come to the realization that he needs to take action in order to make money and thus, has started making money.

            His WSO is for an offline method, maybe that's how he made his money. How are you to know whether or not he is lying (taking into account the timeframes, which I think you failed to do). You say that he is unethical for providing IM niche WSO's as he himself does not know how to make money within the IM niche. However, can't one say that about any niche? If you buy PLR products with resell rights which outline how to make money online, then resell those products, arn't you being "unethical" as well? As you're only making money online by selling "make money online" products?

            Now I man be completely wrong and you may be right, but it might be beneficial if you check the facts + timelines before slandering people about their business practices/ethics.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
              Originally Posted by Scott Kennedy View Post

              Now I man be completely wrong and you may be right, .
              You've got that right at least.
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              • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
                Originally Posted by Tim_Carter View Post

                You've got that right at least.
                Hi, just wondering which parts I was wrong about?
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                • Originally Posted by Scott Kennedy View Post

                  Hi, just wondering which parts I was wrong about?
                  It seemed pretty clear to me that in this thread (I haven't read the other), that he is openly admitting to lying and doesn't seem to think there's anything wrong with that at all.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
                    Originally Posted by dru-man View Post

                    It seemed pretty clear to me that in this thread (I haven't read the other), that he is openly admitting to lying and doesn't seem to think there's anything wrong with that at all.
                    Eh, if that was the case then I stand corrected. I didn't see it though. It is quite late where I am so i'll re-read the thread tomorrow and adjust my posts accordingly. I still stand by the timeline issue though.
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              • Profile picture of the author carp104
                Thanks again for all the insight to this thread. I think I am going to hold off on buying WSOs for some time as I know the half dozen or so I read so far contain more than enough info I could utilize to make money online. It's time to take action, and there is one particular WSO I am going to follow along the way that helps plan things out for me while also using what I've learned from other WSOs (Thanks Kevin Marshall).

                And thanks again guys for the valuable insight in this thread, and by all means please keep contributing
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        • Profile picture of the author Art Turner
          Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post



          Obviously i'm not gonna release this method as a WSO since it's golden and i dont see anyone mentioning about it, not even if anyone offer me $5000 bucks. I do not think it's me alone but i would blatantly guess that 10/10 people would never release a money making method that is not known yet. If he releases it, you can bet that thousands already know it and in this case, won't make you $1241.4/week or 132.12/day.
          This is the part that made my head hurt....you're saying that

          If a method works, then no one would release the method.

          If a method is being released then you can be sure it doesn't work because everyone already knows about it?

          Personally, I think there are many well-known methods that work when practiced diligently, and very few secrets that ever work for long.
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    I have never used any so can't comment on this...but it looks interesting concept.
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by mithil View Post

      I have never used any so can't comment on this.
      You would think that your 100th post would be more eventful. Thanks for really shaking things up a bit with that contribution.
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  • One single idea that gets sparked in a WSO can definitely make you $500 a month easily. But that depends on how you define "easily". Most people have problems sticking to the game plan and taking risks. That's why it's hard to succeed.

    And about your huge amount of blueprints you currently have, I would say it's going to be a very difficult thing to implement them. Start with one first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vitaliy K
    There are lots of good WSOs and also lots of crap ones.

    I prefer WSOs related to CPAs and those to traffic, but I cannot say there are good and bad WSOs... All sellers describe their own techniques and sometimes it works for me and sometimes not... It is just a matter of testing all methods described in WSOs...
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    • Profile picture of the author forfun_cash
      Originally Posted by Vitaliy K View Post

      There are lots of good WSOs and also lots of crap ones.

      I prefer WSOs related to CPAs and those to traffic, but I cannot say there are good and bad WSOs... All sellers describe their own techniques and sometimes it works for me and sometimes not... It is just a matter of testing all methods described in WSOs...
      Those service provider WSO are great! Like auto-blogging software, backlinkings etc.

      Strangely, all the CPAs WSO were the SAME to me, thrash. Either it's PPC, PPV, blackhat(a year ago), post on craiglist etc etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author good2go4
    I bought two WSOs today - both of them systems which is what I have been looking for to get a bit of focus into what I do online - if this thread sticks around long enough I will let you know how I get on

    Best wishes
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Thank you for yet another inspiration for an article.

      NO product can make you money.

      Only YOU can make you money.

      I can take the worst freaking product in the world, find some gold nugget
      in it, apply the principles and make money with it...lots.

      I can take the best product in the world and let it sit on my hard drive.

      How much money is it going to make me?

      Stop depending on PRODUCTS to make you money.

      Products don't make people money...PEOPLE make people money.

      One of these days, all the starry eyed marketers in the world chasing
      after that shiny object are going to get that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


        Products don't make people money...PEOPLE make people money.

        .
        Careful on that wording Steven. I'm currently thinking about buying your plr product - which I think will make me money.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by avenuegirl View Post

          Careful on that wording Steven. I'm currently thinking about buying your plr product - which I think will make me money.
          Jill, I've blown more sales with my frank honesty than Imelda Marcos has
          shoes.

          Most of the problems we have in this industry is people thinking that a
          product is going to solve their problems.

          It won't.

          It's what they DO with it.
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      • Profile picture of the author rjhere
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Thank you for yet another inspiration for an article.

        NO product can make you money.

        Only YOU can make you money.

        I can take the worst freaking product in the world, find some gold nugget
        in it, apply the principles and make money with it...lots.

        I can take the best product in the world and let it sit on my hard drive.

        How much money is it going to make me?

        Stop depending on PRODUCTS to make you money.

        Products don't make people money...PEOPLE make people money.

        One of these days, all the starry eyed marketers in the world chasing
        after that shiny object are going to get that.

        I couldn't have said this better myself.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kris Hanks
        I couldn't agree more. We are responsible for the results we get. Tooooo many people want to rely on the miracle product or service.
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      • Profile picture of the author hmigroupllc
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Thank you for yet another inspiration for an article.

        NO product can make you money.

        Only YOU can make you money.

        I can take the worst freaking product in the world, find some gold nugget
        in it, apply the principles and make money with it...lots.

        I can take the best product in the world and let it sit on my hard drive.

        How much money is it going to make me?

        Stop depending on PRODUCTS to make you money.

        Products don't make people money...PEOPLE make people money.

        One of these days, all the starry eyed marketers in the world chasing
        after that shiny object are going to get that.
        There are lots of good answers here, but this one above really summarizes it all well.

        You are responsible for your purchases and your results. No product is.

        Sure, some products really lack any quality teaching or skill development. So they won't help you much. But there are gems everywhere, even in piles of garbage.

        I personally don't use income claims or promises of magnificent results.

        Does this affect sales? Yes, gold diggers don't buy from me. It also effects return rates. My sales aren't outrageous, but my return rates are extremely low.

        So has a WSO helped generate $500 a month for anyone, well the answer to that should be yes. I've certainly found products here that add to the bottom line.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
    For me, it was one of the offline blueprints. It doesn't really matter whose it was, because for me the info in the WSO wasn't the end-all, but more the catalyst. I used that information, added quite a bit of research from the main forum, the War Room, other sources on the web, and printed books. Finally I added my own twist based on my business experience in the offline world as well as my personality.

    Take your favorite WSO/method and do the above, and your chances of success are orders of magnitude greater than if you only rely only on info products.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

      a big ZERO. I've bought more than 20 WSOs that promises 100/day, 51253.12/month, 1245.12/week. All doesn't work. (keep in mind that i actually spent time and effort implementing them).

      However that provided me a good lesson that i should stop buying and start taking actions on things i already know.

      P.S. It's shocking that people provide 'POSITIVE' reviews on crap WSOs. On further check, they are either seasonal 'positive' reviewers or 0-20 post/1 month old warriors LOL.
      Hmm, why do you need to make 100 a day when you know how to
      FREE WSO: Learn How I Make $12,526.01 With Just A Push Of Button And How You Can Do It Too
      I can push a button. That is certainly easier than trying to really work some of those 100 a day methods in the WSO's. And I can push a button a few times a day too. :rolleyes:

      The issue is not with the WSO's - it's with the buyers. Buyers don't take the time to personally ask questions to find out if the methods/things involved are things that fit into their schedule or will work with their business model - before buying.
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  • Profile picture of the author rjhere
    I would guess NO ONE has ever made money on those "unrealistic" WSO's. I have done quite a bit of research looking for the 1 review saying "I did it. I made 934.23 in five hours as promised."

    I'm not saying anyone is lying on income claims when he/she creates a WSO. Their claims could very well be true. But those claims are THEM doing it who've been doing it for a while.

    But I could be wrong. Perhaps the people who've made the money don't want to share that fact with others.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by rjhere View Post

      I would guess NO ONE has ever made money on those "unrealistic" WSO's. I have done quite a bit of research looking for the 1 review saying "I did it. I made 934.23 in five hours as promised."

      I'm not saying anyone is lying on income claims when he/she creates a WSO. Their claims could very well be true. But those claims are THEM doing it who've been doing it for a while.

      But I could be wrong. Perhaps the people who've made the money don't want to share that fact with others.
      Really?

      I had a wso where someone reported making $53,000 in 3 months

      I had another one where someone reported making $6,000 in one week

      I had another one where several people reported earning $100+ days consistently

      None of these WSO's are active, and they currently aren't for sale, but I suspect that in MANY cases, the problem isn't the information...It's the fact that people try to do too many things at once, because lets face it....

      I could do a WSO right now that said:

      Go to clickbank
      Pick a product
      Do keyword research
      Find keyword with VERY LOW competition
      Write 3 articles a day
      Profit

      And if 20 people did exactly that CONSISTENTLY, I'd be willing to bet that at least half of them would make multiple sales in the first week.

      I'm not saying that it all falls back on buyers...because hell, at times, I'm a buyer as well . Some of the information and methods being sold clearly have never been used by the person selling the report, so it makes it difficult for them to actually explain a method that is the least bit "complicated" in a way that makes it easy for a buyer to not only take action, but to succeed.

      I'm just sayin that If I've gotten the testimonials I've gotten, that I'm willing to bet a nice chunk of cash that many other legitimate sellers have as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    now wait for all the WSO sellers to come and attack you!

    "your fault"
    "didn't take responsibiltiy"
    "didn't give it enough time/effort/money..etc"

    a big ZERO. I've bought more than 20 WSOs that promises 100/day, 51253.12/month, 1245.12/week. All doesn't work. (keep in mind that i actually spent time and effort implementing them).

    However that provided me a good lesson that i should stop buying and start taking actions on things i already know.
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  • Profile picture of the author rjaf
    I have bought a few WSOs - not dozens, but a few. Each has had something worthwhile to say. Sure, some (I'm thinking Sean Donahoe's WSOs here) are very, very useful; others not too bad, and maybe a third just so-so.

    I think it's helpful & healthy to buy a few WSOs: they invariably teach you something worth knowing, and, in my case, helped crystallize what I wanted to actually do with regard to making money on the Web. Seeing the angles/mistakes/lessons learned for a few bucks is, surely, worth it?

    I also suspect that "crap" is rarer on WF than outside of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdango
    Straight from the BIEW WSO in my sig:

    I'm going to tell you something most people trying to sell you a money-making guide wouldn't dare: Making Money Online Takes Work.

    How many times have you seen that cold, hard fact mentioned in some Get Rich Overnight ebook? Most people trying to sell a make-money plan want you to believe that it's easy and you can start making money immediately. They rarely admit that it doesn't work that way. It didn't for them and it won't for you, no matter what they say.

    This false belief that easy money is sitting out there waiting to be scooped up has given Internet Marketing a bad rap. How many people do you know who went out, paid money for some course or ebook, tried it and ended up within nothing?

    The outrageous claims made by some marketers engender false expectations. When people fail to meet the goals promised, they become discouraged and angry. Next thing you know, they're soured on Internet Marketing. They start talking to everyone about how it's all a scam, with people getting rich off of lying and taking advantage of others.

    That's bad for the industry, but most of all it's bad for people like you, people who really want to know how to earn extra money online but haven't learned to separate the good from the bad.

    I'm here to tell you, in all honesty, that it is possible to earn extra money online.

    If you bought this guide expecting to earn $1,000 a day in only a few months, you're going to be disappointed. If you bought this guide expecting to learn how to build web sites, get traffic, and, as a result of that traffic, earn money, then you're going to be happy by the time you're done.

    You need to dig in and do some hard, long, and sometimes boring work, and do it consistently. You need to make your plan, stick to it, and not give up. If you can do that, you will see money coming in. How much, ultimately, is up to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    NO product can make you money.

    Only YOU can make you money.
    You hit the nail on the head my friend. The reason why most people fail online is because they do not take any action at all. They simply learn, and learn, and learn, and learn...

    And then they turn to complaining, pointing fingers, bashing...

    If you take focused action on a proven system you will succeed. The key is taking focused action every single day.

    There's a famous quote and I cannot remember who said it but it is something along these lines...

    Success is made by repeating a few good habits daily.
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  • Profile picture of the author KEY
    late to the party it seems ... :p

    generally the only WSOs I buy are: software, scripts, and
    graphics/templates. mostly things that have some manner
    of re-use, plr, rebranding, resell, etc...

    I like to re-purpose these with my own work to create a 'package'.
    to that end? probably every one has helped develop more than
    $500 each

    as far as the many "learn my method/trick/secret to making
    $X,ooo.oo a month/week/day" - just not gullible enough to
    believe that someone would pull back the curtain and reveal
    such knowledge for so cheap, and effectively turn all buyers
    into competitors???

    it is a shame that there are those that admit to cranking out
    low quality 'products' to sell (prey) on the newer members of
    our IM community.

    I agree that it is what you do, and actions that you take that
    lead to results. I wonder how many have a hard drive full of
    'reports' and have never even followed through on the ideas
    contained within?

    buying an axe or a shovel will not get the tree cut or the hole
    dug!

    KEY (eric)
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  • Profile picture of the author macchiavelli
    There is but only 1 WSO that helped me make 6 figures.

    Its called.

    DESPERATE BUYERS ONLY!

    Google it up
    Life changing.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I read Perry Marshalls, tried it, and LOST $3k... does that count?

    I dont know if individual experience really shows the merit of a report.

    I made 2k off of the info in George Wrights "10-50" report though, and Im gonna do it again this week!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tamer
    Well...

    Good points here...

    But I would say that ... the problem is not always "information" eBook?

    think of a WSO like an eye-opener and you'll start making MUCH more than $500/month.

    in 2004 .. I purchased a short 3-page report for $150 (wasn't a WSO) ...
    It was talking about bringing cheap traffic to websites with Adsense
    and make profit from the difference between the cheap traffic and the Adsense clicks.

    While the book, talked about making crappy websites (later known as Made-For-Adsense)

    The idea of the ebook, opened my eyes and I started creating quality websites then bring traffic for it by SEO + Adwords...etc...

    To this date... this eBook was a direct reason for earning me more than $200K just from that one eye-opening idea.

    So... it all depends on what you will do with the info after you buy your WSO (or any information product).

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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    I guess I'm late to the party also. There are many WSOs that are less than stellar. I think the ones that annoy me the most are the ones whose sole method is making money by posting WSOs. Sheesh. Having said that, even ignoring the OP's motives, it is interesting to note that nobody answered in the affirmative. I think that's because of something that was said earlier in the thread. Most people don't want to work hard for long periods of time before they see results, ESPECIALLY if those results are not guaranteed.

    TomG.
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    • Profile picture of the author zerofill
      There is a big problem in the area of buyers that is a consistent thing we have seen over and over.

      If there is a method that people are to implement and they don't know how to do something like FTP, or install wordpress through cpanel, or install a plugin for wordpress, etc... simple things that many of us take for granted because we already know... They won't attempt to find out how on their own AT ALL...

      So that pretty much shows me every time who has drive and who doesn't.

      How to FTP, How to install wordpress...etc... I tell people you can find probably 80k videos on youtube showing how to do those simple things that you really need to know. If you don't want to know them you need to outsource.

      I'm tired of people saying... I have no technical skills. I can't do it... I don't know how... (bull**** you don't want to know how... you want it to be done for you)

      Your on the internet for christ sakes... show a little initiative and type in Google: how to install a wordpress plugin

      There is just a different mentality when it comes to people who are destined for success and people who are destined to failure.

      And the type of results (Jeremy noted) we have seen and heard from people that actually implement things... the number he listed isn't even close... Way more people have done what they wanted... made an extra $500 a month... to supplement their income, 50k in 3 months, $200 extra a week, "thank you thank you thank you" we get it all the time.

      It feels good when you get those emails. I love getting them...

      But there was just a different mentality in those people. The ones I saw succeed... they may not know how to do something like install wordpress but they didn't ask, "can you show me how to do it?" They said can you point me in the right direction to learn it. (BINGO!!... I knew they would make it...I knew they were the type that would let nothing stand in their way. I knew they were really serious about making a change in their life. I knew they didn't expect change to come around... They knew they had to earn change.)

      I can read people like a book... as far as who will make it and who won't.

      Sorry I am in a blunt mood today...
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      • Profile picture of the author carp104
        I couldn't agree more that a PRODUCT will not make you money, only YOU can make yourself money.

        The small amount I have made so far in my first couple months doing IM have actually all been things I have done on my own, not a WSO or guide, although these guides have definitely expanded my knowledge base and I have had several ideas or twists pop into my head while reading them.

        This thread definitely took a different direction than I was anticipating and I like it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

        But there was just a different mentality in those people. The ones I saw succeed... they may not know how to do something like install wordpress but they didn't ask, "can you show me how to do it?" They said can you point me in the right direction to learn it. (BINGO!!... I knew they would make it...I knew they were the type that would let nothing stand in their way. I knew they were really serious about making a change in their life. I knew they didn't expect change to come around... They knew they had to earn change.)
        Don, I absolutely loved reading this post. You are so dead on the money.

        Folks, I have made no secret of the fact that I hate technology.
        Installing thing gives me fits.

        But I do it. I get it done.

        Sometimes I have to come for help, especially when I screw it up, but
        it's not for somebody to hold my hand. Tell me what I possibly did wrong
        and I'll fix it by hook or crook.

        I am not an expert at every aspect of Internet marketing.

        Some people look at my sales pages and laugh because they're so plain
        looking and don't have all the glitz of those "hyped" up pages.

        Funny, they haven't hurt my sales too much.

        I'm certainly not starving.

        While I do believe that there are some people who are truly not capable
        of running their own business (mentally handicapped, too poor to outsource
        the work) I also believe that your average person, if he or she wants to,
        CAN run a successful business.

        It comes down to how much you want it.

        I wanted it so bad I could taste it. In fact, when I first started, I spent
        more money monthly on advertising (when I was broke) than I do now.

        I wondered every single day if I was going to have a roof over my head,

        But I kept going.

        I truly feel sorry for people who are mentally challenged. But dog gammit,
        if you have a half a brain in your head, there is NO reason why you can't
        put together a modest home business that makes $500 to $1,000 a month
        minimum.

        $20 a day is $600 a month.

        $20 a day.

        Hell, if you write 4 articles a day at $5 an article, that's $20 a day.

        I can write 4 articles in 1 hour.

        Don, thank you for your blunt post.

        It was a breath of fresh air for this old body.
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        • Profile picture of the author Matthew Olson
          The one WSO that actually made me WELL over $500/month relatively quickly was Travis Sago's original "Bum Marketing" course.

          Yes, it's a little long in the tooth now and the bum/article marketing game has changed considerably since those days. But many of the fundamentals still apply.

          It's important to note that the WSO didn't "make" me money. It was my willingness to take action, stay focused and go through the learning curve that did it.

          To your success,
          Matt
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Marshall
            Originally Posted by Matthew Olson View Post

            The one WSO that actually made me WELL over $500/month relatively quickly was Travis Sago's original "Bum Marketing" course.

            Yes, it's a little long in the tooth now and the bum/article marketing game has changed considerably since those days. But many of the fundamentals still apply.

            It's important to note that the WSO didn't "make" me money. It was my willingness to take action, stay focused and go through the learning curve that did it.

            To your success,
            Matt
            Excellent point! My experience is if you buy WSOs from people who have been around the forums more than 5 minutes, you can usually find something useful to help you make money.
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          • Profile picture of the author VyctorB_10
            you opening up a can of golden worms, bro... i feel almost guilty enjoying this



            blushing,


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          • Profile picture of the author hometutor
            My Affiliate Universal Page Maker does well, but that's because I don't just sell it. I use it to create affiliate pages of other products which also makes me money. So I don't know if that technically counts or not

            Rick
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          • Profile picture of the author abrandt
            Hi Members:

            I am surprised at the many indirect responses and MUMBO JUMBO in respect to the question posed.


            Here's my straight answer to the question:
            Which WSO actually made you over $500/month?


            1. WSO: Offline X Factor (OFX) - Jack Mize

            The education I have implemented from this (1) course alone has been earning me some $6,000 / mo based on just (2) clients. I will admit that I studied diligently and carefully quantified test results with a friend's local business before I was willing to be compensated for geo-optimization services.


            2. WSO: Google Places Domination (GPD) - Ken Anderson

            Implementing GPD in conjunction with my OFX success will leverage our ability to penetrate a higher-margin target market... generating substantially higher consulting fees... and increasing our value as rarefied assets to our clients for delivering Google Places & 1st Page SERPS dominant results.


            Other WSO's have been highly valuable on an ancillary basis (e.g., like keyword research strategies and applications), however these support the above and do not wield a direct correlation to income earned (although, again, intrinsically important.

            I am very grateful for what I have learned, and the results I have been blessed with.


            I hope this proves helpful!

            Alan


            BACKGROUND: I have been a marketing professional for some (30) years... a Software Applications & Evaluation Consultant specializing in Windows business applications for some (8) years (Microsoft down to small shareware houses). Starting 2009, I began diligently studying Offline Marketing for a year... purchasing over 30 Warrior Forum "offline marketing" WSO's. I have assimilated, integrated and developed hybrid offpage optimization strategies whereby I am now capable of dominating Google 1ST Page SERPS (4 to 9 positions) for business clients (without interfacing with client's website). Additionally, 30%+ of my keyword optimizations control Google Map 1-boxes... (this result is about to dramatically improve).
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          • Profile picture of the author Cataclysm1987
            No wso has ever made me money.

            Action has made me money.

            But if you must know, here are some useful products I've found, some of them wso's some of them not:

            Anything by Zeus or Kenster
            One Week Marketing
            Travis Sago's Bum Marketing Method (I'm still on his list)
            Stephen Pierce's MRMI

            And, here are some things to avoid:

            Grey hat, green hat, blue hat or b l a c k hat wso's on this forum (I won't name any names)
            Anything by the following people:
            Mike Jones
            Philip Mansour
            Rob Benwell
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            • Profile picture of the author Freeman77
              I don't usually buy WSOs for specific-money making techniques. In most cases, they require a hefty time investment, and I just can't drop everything and try some crazy technique.

              I often buy WSOs to round out my IM or business education. For example, I recently bought the WSO on getting business credit, and I learned a lot (I posted a review).

              I've bought certain software and scripts that have been very worthwhile.

              Backlinking services, ebook creation services, etc., have served me well.

              I've also paid significant amounts of money ($500+) for coaching that was offered via WSO, and the coach wasn't very good. But I've learned that you can't dwell on the losses. If you're going to make a bunch of money, you're going to lose a bunch of money on the way.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tommy Perez
            I think more WSO's should be actual case studies...versus just a set of instructions/steps.

            Think about it...the best business schools out there ALL train their MBA's through case studies.

            I mean, IM principles and concepts will remain the same for years to come...but it's through case studies that we can learn how those concepts/theories were applied to a real life situation to get the results.

            It's the applications that change.

            But, that's just what I think...
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          • Profile picture of the author internetsweetie
            wow, this thread brought some things to light.
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      • Profile picture of the author IMAdam
        Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

        There is a big problem in the area of buyers that is a consistent thing we have seen over and over.

        If there is a method that people are to implement and they don't know how to do something like FTP, or install wordpress through cpanel, or install a plugin for wordpress, etc... simple things that many of us take for granted because we already know... They won't attempt to find out how on their own AT ALL...

        So that pretty much shows me every time who has drive and who doesn't.

        How to FTP, How to install wordpress...etc... I tell people you can find probably 80k videos on youtube showing how to do those simple things that you really need to know. If you don't want to know them you need to outsource.

        I'm tired of people saying... I have no technical skills. I can't do it... I don't know how... (bull**** you don't want to know how... you want it to be done for you)

        Your on the internet for christ sakes... show a little initiative and type in Google: how to install a wordpress plugin

        There is just a different mentality when it comes to people who are destined for success and people who are destined to failure.

        And the type of results (Jeremy noted) we have seen and heard from people that actually implement things... the number he listed isn't even close... Way more people have done what they wanted... made an extra $500 a month... to supplement their income, 50k in 3 months, $200 extra a week, "thank you thank you thank you" we get it all the time.

        It feels good when you get those emails. I love getting them...

        But there was just a different mentality in those people. The ones I saw succeed... they may not know how to do something like install wordpress but they didn't ask, "can you show me how to do it?" They said can you point me in the right direction to learn it. (BINGO!!... I knew they would make it...I knew they were the type that would let nothing stand in their way. I knew they were really serious about making a change in their life. I knew they didn't expect change to come around... They knew they had to earn change.)

        I can read people like a book... as far as who will make it and who won't.

        Sorry I am in a blunt mood today...
        Wow Don, I don't think I've ever read a post of yours where you were this vocal. Man, I like it!!

        Working in the IT field, I see this ALL the time. There isn't a day that goes by and I don't say "why don't people take a moment and just READ what's on the f$%#!@& screen!!" Most people are just too lazy and want someone else to do it ALL for them. Yes, even reading.
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        • Profile picture of the author zerofill
          Originally Posted by IMAdam View Post

          Wow Don, I don't think I've ever read a post of yours where you were this vocal. Man, I like it!!

          Working in the IT field, I see this ALL the time. There isn't a day that goes by and I don't say "why don't people take a moment and just READ what's on the f$%#!@& screen!!" Most people are just too lazy and want someone else to do it ALL for them. Yes, even reading.
          Haha I feel your pain I used to own a computer shop...
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi Don,

        Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

        There is a big problem in the area of buyers that is a consistent thing we have seen over and over.

        If there is a method that people are to implement and they don't know how to do something like FTP, or install wordpress through cpanel, or install a plugin for wordpress, etc... simple things that many of us take for granted because we already know... They won't attempt to find out how on their own AT ALL...

        So that pretty much shows me every time who has drive and who doesn't.

        How to FTP, How to install wordpress...etc... I tell people you can find probably 80k videos on youtube showing how to do those simple things that you really need to know. If you don't want to know them you need to outsource.

        I'm tired of people saying... I have no technical skills. I can't do it... I don't know how... (bull**** you don't want to know how... you want it to be done for you)

        Your on the internet for christ sakes... show a little initiative and type in Google: how to install a wordpress plugin

        There is just a different mentality when it comes to people who are destined for success and people who are destined to failure.

        And the type of results (Jeremy noted) we have seen and heard from people that actually implement things... the number he listed isn't even close... Way more people have done what they wanted... made an extra $500 a month... to supplement their income, 50k in 3 months, $200 extra a week, "thank you thank you thank you" we get it all the time.

        It feels good when you get those emails. I love getting them...

        But there was just a different mentality in those people. The ones I saw succeed... they may not know how to do something like install wordpress but they didn't ask, "can you show me how to do it?" They said can you point me in the right direction to learn it. (BINGO!!... I knew they would make it...I knew they were the type that would let nothing stand in their way. I knew they were really serious about making a change in their life. I knew they didn't expect change to come around... They knew they had to earn change.)

        I can read people like a book... as far as who will make it and who won't.

        Sorry I am in a blunt mood today...
        I agree.

        I would add, regarding these two points -

        They said can you point me in the right direction to learn it.
        and
        show a little initiative and type in Google: how to install a wordpress plugin
        ...the latter is a million times more important than the former because of the keyword *initiative* plus rather than asking for help, when people twig that Google is their best friend, they have made one of the biggest steps forward in their internet career.

        To those looking for an information product to solve all of their problems -

        Show me any pdf/home study course for sale, and I will show you the outdated, irrelevant and misleading items within it - add to this that if some information is being sold to the mass market, it almost always loses value at launch for a variety of reasons that anyone can work out with a little bit of experience and initiative.

        Contrast this with someone who knows their way around Google, has taught themselves to use search operators, is savvy about combining these skills with the myriad of free web-based and desktop applications that can be used in conjunction with Google research and most important of all - they realise that nothing is perfect (IE Google - therefore searching for answers might involve initially discarding a handful of results to find the one they are looking for - hint - that's one type of hassle that you need to put up with and overcome) as well as realising that the most powerful 'tool' in their armoury is in their head, therefore that tool needs to be nurtured, respected and 'upgraded'.

        Are you capable of - identifying a question that needs an answer, heading off to Google, finding whatever website contains the answer hidden amongst a mass of babble/gossip/BS/technical bumpf and quickly locating and extracting that answer and then getting the hell out of there before you get distracted and sidetracked with time-wasting drivel? If not, get to work on it!

        In a world full of disinformation and lies, you can either spend your time finding good people to ask for honest advice or some other method of pretending to yourself that you're getting the truth, OR you can simply spend most of your time improving the accuracy and efficiency of the 'information filtering tool' residing in your head. In case it's not obvious, I strongly recommend the latter.

        This type of person will be capable of creating their OWN systems, putting two (or more) tools together and getting them to work in unison in a way that no one has before.

        Not only do they save money on products, not only do they improve their level of useful initiative every working day - but the things that they ultimately do with their sites/promotion have possibly never been seen/done before. Learn how to walk without leaving footprints.

        If you work on the internet building web property 'powered' by SEO and don't yet understand the value of the words above in italics, then it might benefit you to study search engines and do some serious testing. Go and take a look at the SERPs and ask yourself why sites with remarkable, unique content and websites with all of the latest new-fangled dongles and widgets and social interaction are often losing to simple, ugly sites that just do a job - well. Then ask yourself how many of those sites Mr. Simple can produce in comparison to Mr. Dongle.

        Just imagine how the landscape looks from a position where you don't need to purchase hardly anything, you can quickly find all of the answers you ever need (when you need them) and you can achieve the same as others (if not more) with 10% of the time, hassle, stress, expense, confusion, bickering etc.

        It's all about initiative. If you are weak in this area, then get stronger otherwise you are just fodder for the snake oil merchants. If you're stuck on how to develop initiative - just decide that you're in this for the long term and gain knowledge and experience (IE test things) as efficiently as you can.

        You can save a lot of time when ethical dilemmas, product reviews, misleading opinions and general everyday BS don't get in your way. In this business of a thousand different theories and ways to achieve what stopped working yesterday, time is money.
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  • Profile picture of the author madno
    Most of them are full of hype. You need to contact the buyer and asking for their opinion about the product before you buy it. So that you have full understanding the risk since it is your money.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayVance
    From my experience WSO's are great if you're buying a service or technique. Like a backlink service, a method on boosting traffic, or something SEO.

    Don't buy WSO's that are systems, especially turn key ones. They don't work as the seller claims it will. If they did you would see plenty of people returning with the amounts they are making. I have yet to see a system where people were coming back with their sales totals. It doesn't happen. There is some fundamentals that must be learned, time has to be invested, and hard work must be put into anything to have success.

    So as of yet, there isn't anyone one this thread who has posted that they made money as claimed by a WSO. Sure, some got sales off them but no where near what was promised. Bottom line, don't bother because they are just taking your money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Super Affiliate
    For me, Don and Jeremy's bootcamps and Steven's Google Hot Trends. They definitely helped me not only recoup my investment but make money 10 times over in the 1st month of implementing it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Ashari
    Unfortunately, some on this thread are correct. Positive reviews are the norm unless the product is extremely rubbish. It doesn't just have to work, it just has to give the impression that it may work.

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  • Profile picture of the author vwillis
    Sometimes I have to come for help, especially when I screw it up, but
    it's not for somebody to hold my hand. Tell me what I possibly did wrong
    and I'll fix it by hook or crook.
    This to me is closely related to the practice of internet marketing in a nutshell. Gone are the days of the one size fits all $500/day plan.
    Now it's all about choosing you weapon of attact and learning all about it.
    For example, say you have a burning desire to be a bum marketer, an ebook promising xxx amount of dollars earned without teaching you how to really choose keywords, or how to write to achieve maximum click through rate, etc is really selling smoke and mirrors. In a nutshell the wso's you want are the ones that point you in a direction of action. Guess what thats what your product must do to the consumer to get their money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
    There has been a lot of discussion lately regarding how WSO's are marketed. Unfortunately, people are desperate for a "work in your underwear" type of offer (not saying it isn't possible , but at the same time their NOT willing to put in an ounce of effort.

    Stay away from idiots that say it's impossible - Just think about how huge the online marketplace is, and break down your minimum goals for a day. Then start taking small steps to achieve them.

    It's not that difficult.

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  • Profile picture of the author nicefirework
    WSO is full of teory, it will be useless if you dont take action.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Maybe those that are raking in the $ would rather keep the WSO and the twists they've done to it a secret
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by dagaul101 View Post

      Maybe those that are raking in the $ would rather keep the WSO and the twists they've done to it a secret
      I'm not sure that's 100% true. I know of a Warrior
      who made a good income, and flipped the business
      he built for a 'nice 5 figures', to a major player in
      his niche from a WSO.

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      • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
        @ forfun_cash,

        Because of your attitude towards respected
        members of this forum, and the complete
        disregard to adding value to your WSO's,
        not only am I never knowingly going to buy
        anything from you, but I can see somebody
        hitting the ban button on your account.

        Certainly people reading this thread will
        also notice how disrespectful you are, and
        how little effort you put into your WSO's.
        I recon your future sales will be rather
        pathetic.

        Glenn
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          I'm not in the business of destroying reputations, but, when IM'ers like "forfun_cash" come around, I DO think it's in our best interest...for ourselves and to safeguard the image of IM, in general....to begin weeding out people who act with such compromised ethical behaviors...

          I wish I could find the post, but, in another thread he gave a long rationale behind why he is openly, flat-out, lying and deceiving people with earnings and monetary figures that are a complete fabrication. If you REALLY earned that, then...fine. But, if I recall correctly, in a previous thread your justification was that someone once told you to always "envision" yourself as more than you are if you want to get there...

          That DOESN'T mean you should be lying and deceiving people in your sales copy.

          Am I REALLY that out of place here because this bothers me? With the exception of Glenn, hundreds of thread views later, noone else has really commented on these actions. I'm not trying to incite hostility...but, this approach to IM is just flat out wrong and shouldn't be tolerated.

          Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

          @ forfun_cash,

          Because of your attitude towards respected
          members of this forum, and the complete
          disregard to adding value to your WSO's,
          not only am I never knowingly going to buy
          anything from you, but I can see somebody
          hitting the ban button on your account.

          Certainly people reading this thread will
          also notice how disrespectful you are, and
          how little effort you put into your WSO's.
          I recon your future sales will be rather
          pathetic.

          Glenn
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            I'm not in the business of destroying reputations, but, when IM'ers like "forfun_cash" come around, I DO think it's in our best interest...for ourselves and to safeguard the image of IM, in general....to begin weeding out people who act with such compromised ethical behaviors...

            I wish I could find the post, but, in another thread he gave a long rationale behind why he is openly, flat-out, lying and deceiving people with earnings and monetary figures that are a complete fabrication. If you REALLY earned that, then...fine. But, if I recall correctly, in a previous thread your justification was that someone once told you to always "envision" yourself as more than you are if you want to get there...

            That DOESN'T mean you should be lying and deceiving people in your sales copy.

            Am I REALLY that out of place here because this bothers me? With the exception of Glenn, hundreds of thread views later, noone else has really commented on these actions. I'm not trying to incite hostility...but, this approach to IM is just flat out wrong and shouldn't be tolerated.

            For what it's worth, I made my comments regarding this person as
            civil as I could. I was banned once for my comments to certain persons
            and don't want to risk that again.

            I agree with your assessment of this person. In fact, in all my years of
            being here I don't think I've run across somebody who left such a bad
            taste in my mouth and ashamed to be associated with this business.

            I guess that pretty much says it all.
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          • Profile picture of the author forfun_cash
            haha pop a chill pill my friend. I did not want to reply anymore since those who really want to start making money will find gold in my post. Obviously those who are already making money will find it hard to accept that newbies could actually rake in big bucks in the so called 'competitive' niche like IM in a very short time just by branding yourself as an authoritative figure.

            Back to main point, i thought i would mention the technique again regarding the 'previous thread' since you bought it up.

            The technique to bring your IM business to another level is to 'BE, DO, HAVE'. That is, if you want to be in the make money online niche, you need to BE a guru first, DO the necessary and HAVE income coming in. Most people who fail or take a long time to climb the ladder thought they should HAVE first before they can BE. Of course there are exceptional cases where people succeed putting sheer hardwork but how many people have that much time to spare? Like me, most people either hold a day time job or are still schooling. This technique applies to all niches.

            Here's a true classic example. For more than a year i couldnt make real money online and i'd never thought of BEING first until 2+ months back. I put up my signature which you are seeing now for the first time and wow, analytics is showing exactly 127 unique clicks now. Not sure about the opt-in rate. My guess is, not too long for now, i will be forced to be absolutely truthful by increasing the numbers in my sig

            I understand that you have good intention in trying to weed out people who try to BE first but i'm afraid your effort will be like gerald butler, the main actor of the movie '300', fighting against an impossible battle.

            Once again, if you consider marketers who markets this way as liars, deceivers, my guess is product creators that teaches people how to make money online are liars, either blatantly or somewhere in the sales letter they 'lied'. Heck, i would say more than 90% of marketers do that. No proof tho



            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            I'm not in the business of destroying reputations, but, when IM'ers like "forfun_cash" come around, I DO think it's in our best interest...for ourselves and to safeguard the image of IM, in general....to begin weeding out people who act with such compromised ethical behaviors...

            I wish I could find the post, but, in another thread he gave a long rationale behind why he is openly, flat-out, lying and deceiving people with earnings and monetary figures that are a complete fabrication. If you REALLY earned that, then...fine. But, if I recall correctly, in a previous thread your justification was that someone once told you to always "envision" yourself as more than you are if you want to get there...

            That DOESN'T mean you should be lying and deceiving people in your sales copy.

            Am I REALLY that out of place here because this bothers me? With the exception of Glenn, hundreds of thread views later, noone else has really commented on these actions. I'm not trying to incite hostility...but, this approach to IM is just flat out wrong and shouldn't be tolerated.
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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              Rather than write a long winded post that will just fall on deaf ears, I'd be curious to see what the remainder of this forum thinks about your outlook and approach. Any opinions out there?

              Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

              haha pop a chill pill my friend. I did not want to reply anymore since those who really want to start making money will find gold in my post. Obviously those who are already making money will find it hard to accept that newbies could actually rake in big bucks in the so called 'competitive' niche like IM in a very short time just by branding yourself as an authoritative figure.

              Back to main point, i thought i would mention the technique again regarding the 'previous thread' since you bought it up.

              The technique to bring your IM business to another level is to 'BE, DO, HAVE'. That is, if you want to be in the make money online niche, you need to BE a guru first, DO the necessary and HAVE income coming in. Most people who fail or take a long time to climb the ladder thought they should HAVE first before they can BE. Of course there are exceptional cases where people succeed putting sheer hardwork but how many people have that much time to spare? Like me, most people either hold a day time job or are still schooling. This technique applies to all niches.

              Here's a true classic example. For more than a year i couldnt make real money online and i'd never thought of BEING first until 2+ months back. I put up my signature which you are seeing now for the first time and wow, analytics is showing exactly 127 unique clicks now. Not sure about the opt-in rate. My guess is, not too long for now, i will be forced to be absolutely truthful by increasing the numbers in my sig

              I understand that you have good intention in trying to weed out people who try to BE first but i'm afraid your effort will be like gerald butler, the main actor of the movie '300', fighting against an impossible battle.

              Once again, if you consider marketers who markets this way as liars, deceivers, my guess is product creators that teaches people how to make money online are liars, either blatantly or somewhere in the sales letter they 'lied'. Heck, i would say more than 90% of marketers do that. No proof tho
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            • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
              Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

              haha pop a chill pill my friend.

              8< snipped
              we don't need chill pills, dealing with you, we need anti-biotics
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            • Profile picture of the author psresearch
              Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

              haha pop a chill pill my friend.
              Usual translation: I probably should have never really said anything about any of this. I wish it would all just go away.
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          • Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            I'm not in the business of destroying reputations, but, when IM'ers like "forfun_cash" come around, I DO think it's in our best interest...for ourselves and to safeguard the image of IM, in general....to begin weeding out people who act with such compromised ethical behaviors...

            I wish I could find the post, but, in another thread he gave a long rationale behind why he is openly, flat-out, lying and deceiving people with earnings and monetary figures that are a complete fabrication. If you REALLY earned that, then...fine. But, if I recall correctly, in a previous thread your justification was that someone once told you to always "envision" yourself as more than you are if you want to get there...

            That DOESN'T mean you should be lying and deceiving people in your sales copy.

            Am I REALLY that out of place here because this bothers me? With the exception of Glenn, hundreds of thread views later, noone else has really commented on these actions. I'm not trying to incite hostility...but, this approach to IM is just flat out wrong and shouldn't be tolerated.
            Again, for what it's worth I'm right there with you and appreciate you calling him out. It's pretty ridiculous that someone would, first, do those types of things and, second, have the audacity to admit it on a public forum in the same place they're doing it. It shouldn't be tolerated at all, but statements like Steven made about being banned for confronting someone are the kind of thing that make me keep my trap shut.

            To be quite honest with you, I almost think him coming on here and admitting this is indirectly a good for newbies or otherwise naive people to see because it shows them that there are people out there like that and if someone is willing to admit it you can bet there are a lot more. Maybe a wake up call for some people.

            For the record, I'm not suggesting in any, way, shape, or form that he's honorable for admitting this stuff. But I am saying to new people reading right now, pay attention to what this guy is saying.
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  • Profile picture of the author winsonlim
    I used to buy WSOs, usually those very popular ones.

    I realized that it's just information that adds on to your knowledge.

    There is no such thing as buying a WSO and implement it to make $500 a month.

    You got to have a plan, a strategy and stick to it till you make money online.

    I signed up to a mentoring program, get my marketing system setup and make about $500 in 3 weeks.

    Here's the Clickbank Sales Screenshot for the past 3 weeks in Sep 2010:


    So my suggestion is look for a worthy mentor to guide you.


    Hope it helps,
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  • Profile picture of the author ileneg
    Originally Posted by carp104 View Post

    Hey guys/gals,

    I am kind of new around here but thought I'd post this to strike up some interesting conversation. I am not looking to get rich fast by any means, I already am working on implementing a couple great WSO's I just bought, and thought that this would make for an interesting read for us.

    So here it goes:

    Have you ever purchased a WSO that you have actually followed to the 'T' and it has made you over $500/month?

    If so please list the WSO and link would be helpful


    ***please no promoting your own WSO or "I could have made that much if I worked harder" I just want to know what WSO's people are making money off of because I hardly ever see revenue claims in the special offers forums.

    Back to the OP.

    FWIW - you're new here, we can see that. If you are going to spend money on ONE thing, join the war room. If you want a "guide" that you can follow to a "T", write one. Not kidding actually. Before anything else, you really need goals and you need a plan. You don't seem to have one which is why you are asking about WSOs. What I mean by this is once you know where you want to be, it's a lot easier to get there.

    A few samples, far from comprehensive. If your goals are to be a great affililate marketer, then you'll look for WSOs for affiliates. If you are looking at different methods to drive traffic, consider WSOs on article writing. If you want to work with small business owners, look for those who target the "Offline Niche".

    If you are looking to buy WSOs, then look for the sellers who have been here for a while (a few of whom replied in this thread). I am not saying that new members who launch products are not good products, so frankly I don't want to challenge that nonsense - don't go there.

    There's something to be said for longevity and consistency. It shouldn't take anyone too long to figure out who the players are here. Don't reinvent the wheel.

    Onward,
    ileneg
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    The answer is both NONE and ALL OF THEM.

    No single WSO has created an epiphany in me or inspired me to implement a system that accounts for $500 a month in revenue. Yet, each of the WSO's I've bought have in some way helped me to improve my earnings, whether it be through learning one (just one) new thing, or by finding out that the WSO was garbage which helps me learn what NOT to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
    You can make a lot of money buying WSO's that you can re-label and resell. I certainly have.

    As for the method WSO's - 95% are crap and don't work. People get sucked in by the push a button and make #xx,xxx per day. That is why you see so many of them.

    No one would share a secret like that for $17. People need to think about what they are buying.
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  • Profile picture of the author forfun_cash
    This post perfectly describes the products you see everywhere. http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ll-starve.html
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

      This post perfectly describes the products you see everywhere. http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ll-starve.html
      There is a big difference between optimizing the packaging and presentation of a product to maximize it's appearance to users and blatantly deceiving people with your sales copy. It's the difference between having high quality eBook covers, as opposed to not-so-high-quality eBook covers.

      I read that thread, and, sure, companies have clearly crafted food presentation into an art forum. They use elements like glue and blowtorches to present their product in its optimal state. With 1,000's of restaurants worldwide, each with different franchise ownership, I've had my share of good burgers from McD's/Burger King, and my share of bad burgers (like the 2nd picture).

      While your IM business is in your own hands, though, you are doing the equivalent of Burger King saying that it can give super powers just by eating its burger. Not only are you completely falsifying and fabricating the substance behind your sales page, but you are making the lies the primary driver (as evidenced by your signature, as, you openly admit, now gains you greater click thrus, so it is justified....because you are willing to compromise ethics and morality to get to that "end"...)

      If you have earned that much, then, fine. My problem is with how all your posts are completely inconsistent, and, on top of that, you openly admit to fabricating these numbers. Do you think we are idiots? Good luck with your IM business, but, it isn't sustainable if you are building a foundation on deceiving people. I could care less about your sales and successes....but, I hate the face this paints on the entire industry.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicheCowboy
    Originally Posted by carp104 View Post

    Hey guys/gals,

    I am kind of new around here but thought I'd post this to strike up some interesting conversation. I am not looking to get rich fast by any means, I already am working on implementing a couple great WSO's I just bought, and thought that this would make for an interesting read for us.

    So here it goes:

    Have you ever purchased a WSO that you have actually followed to the 'T' and it has made you over $500/month?

    If so please list the WSO and link would be helpful


    ***please no promoting your own WSO or "I could have made that much if I worked harder" I just want to know what WSO's people are making money off of because I hardly ever see revenue claims in the special offers forums.
    Here you go...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ain-works.html

    I've bought more WSO's than I care to admit. that one was my best investment ever.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cash37
    All my WSOs have made me more than $500 in a month, but then again I created the methods....

    ..other than mine, the last thing I purchased was from Brad Gosse and it delivered on it's promise that same night. Maybe some of you aren't putting enough effort in your purchases or missing the concept either due to the way the writer wrote it, or you could have misread.

    I have some products right now Im rereading for the 4th time before I implement to make sure I completely understand the concept.
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  • Profile picture of the author luckyone2day
    I know i probably sound retarted, but what does WSO stand for? Sorry im a newb around here
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  • Profile picture of the author alanmoore78
    I can go down to a community college and buy a book on auto repair that they use to teach in the auto shop class. I can read it cover to cover. I can probably even pass an ASE exam and get certified. But if I don't own any tools and I don't have any actual experience fixing a car, then how am I going to possibly become a successful auto mechanic?

    The same applies to IM products, PLR/RR products, and WSO's. You can buy all you want. You can read them through and sit there wondering when you're going to make money. But the moths won't get evicted from your wallet until you get out there and make something happen. Don't just sit there expecting the world wide web to jump on your half-baked WSO! Apply all the theories. Use the tools. Promote the bejeezus out of it. Make updates. Broadcast and autorespond. Tweak that squeezepage and rewrite those sales letters. Keep adjusting everything until SOMETHING gives! Sticking to one product at a time might be the best thing. Just when you think it's dead, someone is going to send you a letter saying it's the best thing since sliced bread and you'll have a testimonial to add. You'll decide you need to fix this, adjust that, rewrite this other thing, and then you relaunch and it's past the outer fence and wedged into some guy's windshield!
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  • Profile picture of the author tycoon828
    I still didn't make $500 from any WSO, but several WSO that I bought have this potential.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChickenMan
    Agreed. 9/10 the supposed "rave reviews" are not even rave reviews though there are some good products out there.
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