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Does anyone find that sales in general in the internet are very unpredicatable.

You might get a lot on 1 day then nothing for a week.

Anyone else experience this?
#sales #unpredictable
  • Profile picture of the author clbnc
    I have noticed that as well when I bum market. However, I still need to get a couple more converting niches to add to my only one that is making me any money.

    I have a feeling that when I figure out a couple more niches that my sales will probably even out more. We'll see I guess.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      If I graphed out our daily sales figures they would look like a blueprint for a new thrill ride at Disneyland.

      Up one day, down the next, and every now and then our customers just seem to take the day off.

      Personally, I don't worry too much about it. After having a brick and mortar store for over 15 years I know there is no such thing a flat line sales graph. Now that all our sales are strictly over the internet I see roughly the same pattern. The graph looks different, but the reletive predictability is close if you average it out.

      I tend to test a lot, and have noticed that the little tweeks add up over time. The key is to constantly add to or improve your site when things get stale. This keeps it fresh and your returning customers will appreciate the new content or interface, and new customers will benefit from the refinements you have made over time.

      One other point to keep in mind is that the internet changes a fairly good clip and you definitly want to keep up with *new* techniques as you become aware of them. Never be afraid to undo any new changes that don't test out well, and be sure to keep track of all your changes so you know when you have a winner.

      As a side note, I think one of the main reasons (among many) that continuity programs are all the rage right now is that they have the propensity to level out your sales curve if done correctly. You want that graph to show growth over time and CPs may eliminate some of the volitility. I'm looking at that business model currently, so that is only a guess.

      Bottom line...Welcome to the club.

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      • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
        I measure visitor value rather than sales or conversion rate and I find that it's fairly stable and predictable over a month or so.

        And of course, you need to allow for seasonal variations.

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      • Profile picture of the author lpstoops
        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        If I graphed out our daily sales figures they would look like a blueprint for a new thrill ride at Disneyland.

        Up one day, down the next, and every now and then our customers just seem to take the day off.

        Personally, I don't worry too much about it. After having a brick and mortar store for over 15 years I know there is no such thing a flat line sales graph. Now that all our sales are strictly over the internet I see roughly the same pattern. The graph looks different, but the reletive predictability is close if you average it out.

        I tend to test a lot, and have noticed that the little tweeks add up over time. The key is to constantly add to or improve your site when things get stale. This keeps it fresh and your returning customers will appreciate the new content or interface, and new customers will benefit from the refinements you have made over time.

        One other point to keep in mind is that the internet changes a fairly good clip and you definitly want to keep up with *new* techniques as you become aware of them. Never be afraid to undo any new changes that don't test out well, and be sure to keep track of all your changes so you know when you have a winner.

        As a side note, I think one of the main reasons (among many) that continuity programs are all the rage right now is that they have the propensity to level out your sales curve if done correctly. You want that graph to show growth over time and CPs may eliminate some of the volitility. I'm looking at that business model currently, so that is only a guess.

        Bottom line...Welcome to the club.

        KJ

        Great post. Sums up the world of online sales pretty well. It's not consistent, predictable or boring...it's kind of like the stock market... If you've been in internet marketing for a while then you'll know this well.

        The marketing will fluctuate in trends. That's why one month something works great, and the next it's dead in the water. But, one thing that will remain consistent is that more and more people are coming online for their spending/shopping/buying/pricing/investing, which means, there's a fairly consistent increase of buyers for your niches. You'll need to stay on top of the methods for reaching those buyers, but you're not going to run out!

        Continuity is tough, but it can be consistent. If you can find a niche that will continue to buy your products or services, and you have the time and energy to continue to produce for them, then you'll do just fine!
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  • Profile picture of the author baumann93
    Yes, the sales are unpredictable to say the least. but they average out over a period of time, for example one month. Compare your sales over the period of several month nothing the amount of traffic you sent to the offers and you will see that the sales amounts are approximately the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author 4today
    I would love to have the stats that I could say - hoping to one day!! Very new to this and find it absolutely fascinating. Wish me luck!!
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  • Profile picture of the author tj
    Well at least you can predict that pre-christmas sales will go up - and January will be slow.

    Timo
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    • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
      Hello Timo

      That's going to depend on the niches you are in.

      For example, my sales in the IM niche do not dip in January.

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  • Profile picture of the author mbrown
    Easy Cash,

    Unless you have recurring trends it can be very unpredictable. Before I got into internet marketing and marketing my own Internet Businesses I used to manage and run drug stores for a very large company. One thing we could always do is estimate our weekly sales.

    That was because people in an entire district need to get their prescriptions filled and unless we transferred a ton of them out we stayed pretty steady. If the traffic stayed the same and we didn't give to many scripts out to competitors we pretty much stayed on par. Of course we'd do things out of the norm to try and change that. Holding photo contest district wide, giving away free products etc.

    Now, in online sales what you need to do is look for ways to get steady traffic to your products/web sites in general. I've found that keeping the same basic steady traffic pattern will greatly allow you to stay a little bit more predictable on what you're going to be making. Use forums, organic search, ask sites, ppc etc to do this.

    Another way as mentioned above is to have things that recur. These can be paid membership sites or sites that make people have to come back to you. Of course just giving out good free content is a way to have recurring traffic and sales come to your door step.

    Automating the backend of everything is also the key. The more things you have on autopilot, the more you can predict. Don't get me wrong if you're banking on just the search engines well we know how unpredicatable that is lol... get people to your sites and get them into your lists to build up a steady stream. Hope that helps
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    • Profile picture of the author Easy Cash
      Originally Posted by mbrown View Post


      Don't get me wrong if you're banking on just the search engines well we know how unpredicatable that is lol... get people to your sites and get them into your lists to build up a steady stream. Hope that helps

      Thanks all for your comoments.

      Yes - the search engines are unpredictable.

      One other thing I have noticed is that Google seems to have a 'Traffic Faucet'.

      That is - they turn it on and off.

      For example - last day of the month - October - the majority of my websites all got hits on the one day - organically.

      While for other parts of the month some of them get nothing. I have noticed this in other months as well.

      It was almost like someone at Google has a big switch - and turned it on for the last day of the month .....

      Maybe someone needed a new fighter jet at Google.......
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      • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
        EC,

        One other thing that isn't talked about a lot, although it is common knowledge if you are experienced, is PPC siphoning off of traffic over the organic results.

        Most organic search results are not optimized to make a searcher click through to the website. Website owners find they are ranked well and just assume they will get the clicks.

        Now compare this against PPC advertisers whose only chance of getting a click will be through shrewd wording of their ads and deliberate placement of the ads through intellegent bidding strategies.

        If you really want searchers to click on your organic listing you need to be every bit as calculating as the PPC players. You have control over what Google will display for your organic listings and you need to test different verbage until you get to where you are getting consistant results from the SERPs.

        A good rule of thumb is that if you are not seeing consistancy then you haven't found a decent control yet. A control being the verbage that draws consistant clicks. This is why testing is so important.

        Once you have your organic listing stabilized then you can use the data from your web stats to analyze the traffic for any variances. I can tell immediately when something is out of kilter because of the regularity with which the SERPs send me traffic.

        What I can't predict is when a customer will buy, or how many times they have to visit my website before they make a purchase. What I can predict is my daily traffic within +/- 10%. That is almost as regular as clockwork.

        If you think Google is turning your traffic off and on then I encourage you to forget about any conspiracy and just keep testing until you reach equalibrium. Don't be like 90% of most folks and start sucking your thumb with glee once you get a decent ranking.

        Once you get a ranking is when the work starts. Only then can you begin to get meaningful results relative to conversions that the testing for your organic listings is headed in the right direction.

        Ironically, the best school to go to to learn the skills necessary to create organic listings that draw clicks is the school of PPC. If you haven't ventured into that world, by all means do yourself a favor and get good at that skill. It has a lot of carry-over into the organic world.

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        • Profile picture of the author mbrown
          Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

          EC,

          One other thing that isn't talked about a lot, although it is common knowledge if you are experienced, is PPC siphoning off of traffic over the organic results.

          Most organic search results are not optimized to make a searcher click through to the website. Website owners find they are ranked well and just assume they will get the clicks.

          Now compare this against PPC advertisers whose only chance of getting a click will be through shrewd wording of their ads and deliberate placement of the ads through intellegent bidding strategies.

          If you really want searchers to click on your organic listing you need to be every bit as calculating as the PPC players. You have control over what Google will display for your organic listings and you need to test different verbage until you get to where you are getting consistant results from the SERPs.

          A good rule of thumb is that if you are not seeing consistancy then you haven't found a decent control yet. A control being the verbage that draws consistant clicks. This is why testing is so important.

          Once you have your organic listing stabilized then you can use the data from your web stats to analyze the traffic for any variances. I can tell immediately when something is out of kilter because of the regularity with which the SERPs send me traffic.

          What I can't predict is when a customer will buy, or how many times they have to visit my website before they make a purchase. What I can predict is my daily traffic within +/- 10%. That is almost as regular as clockwork.

          If you think Google is turning your traffic off and on then I encourage you to forget about any conspiracy and just keep testing until you reach equalibrium. Don't be like 90% of most folks and start sucking your thumb with glee once you get a decent ranking.

          Once you get a ranking is when the work starts. Only then can you begin to get meaningful results relative to conversions that the testing for your organic listings is headed in the right direction.

          Ironically, the best school to go to to learn the skills necessary to create organic listings that draw clicks is the school of PPC. If you haven't ventured into that world, by all means do yourself a favor and get good at that skill. It has a lot of carry-over into the organic world.

          KJ
          Very good point. Organic does get over looked a lot. A good mix is a great option. I like to start with PPC until I take over the top 10 then I cut ppc back.

          Whats better than FREE traffic?
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      • Profile picture of the author mbrown
        Originally Posted by Easy Cash View Post

        Thanks all for your comoments.

        Yes - the search engines are unpredictable.

        One other thing I have noticed is that Google seems to have a 'Traffic Faucet'.

        That is - they turn it on and off.

        For example - last day of the month - October - the majority of my websites all got hits on the one day - organically.

        While for other parts of the month some of them get nothing. I have noticed this in other months as well.

        It was almost like someone at Google has a big switch - and turned it on for the last day of the month .....

        Maybe someone needed a new fighter jet at Google.......

        Yep that's why having a way to capture the lead while they come to your site is important. Email marketing is still as effective as ever if done right. The mistake many people make is not doing email marketing outside of the internet marketing realm.

        Truth be told doing email marketing outside the IM realm is actually more effective more often than not because people aren't used to the same routine etc. Thinking outside the box and getting the people to read your emails more is a different story... but a solid start is to at least start capturing the emails, build a funnel the worst that can happen?

        They leave your list. But, you'll find a solid core that will be more than just one product (or affiliate product from you if you don't have your own).

        Again, at the point when you have email funnels into everything it becomes a traffic and numbers game. If you get "X" amount of people to come to your site every month, you'll expect "X" amount of conversions - give or take. You can of course work on improving your campaigns etc and testing overtime. The idea would be to tweak things to where your conversion rates go up. Then you can start estimating that you'll make $xxx month to month.

        But this is how you can take shaky sales and turn them into more concrete sales, monthly. The other nice part is it's on autopilot. One of the hardest things to do is make someone buy - that's why you see people consider a 10% conversion rate very good. So obviously the more times they can see your offer/offers the better.

        This works in any market and should be used in any market.
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    • Profile picture of the author lpstoops
      Originally Posted by mbrown View Post

      Easy Cash,

      Unless you have recurring trends it can be very unpredictable. Before I got into internet marketing and marketing my own Internet Businesses I used to manage and run drug stores for a very large company. One thing we could always do is estimate our weekly sales.

      That was because people in an entire district need to get their prescriptions filled and unless we transferred a ton of them out we stayed pretty steady. If the traffic stayed the same and we didn't give to many scripts out to competitors we pretty much stayed on par. Of course we'd do things out of the norm to try and change that. Holding photo contest district wide, giving away free products etc.

      Now, in online sales what you need to do is look for ways to get steady traffic to your products/web sites in general. I've found that keeping the same basic steady traffic pattern will greatly allow you to stay a little bit more predictable on what you're going to be making. Use forums, organic search, ask sites, ppc etc to do this.

      Another way as mentioned above is to have things that recur. These can be paid membership sites or sites that make people have to come back to you. Of course just giving out good free content is a way to have recurring traffic and sales come to your door step.

      Automating the backend of everything is also the key. The more things you have on autopilot, the more you can predict. Don't get me wrong if you're banking on just the search engines well we know how unpredicatable that is lol... get people to your sites and get them into your lists to build up a steady stream. Hope that helps
      I think easy cash makes a great point here. Building a list is one of the more stable methods to online marketing. If you keep your list active and healthy (by sending regularly to them, not selling regularly), you'll have a vital aspect of your business that will make you money for along time to come.
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