Is The Google News Method Still Working?

14 years ago

The products you're talking about require you to break Google's ToS to work.. there is a way to do it without breaking the ToS, (i.e do it for real)

Besides, it's very difficult to monetize a news site (and build a brand at the same time).

The business models are pretty much this:

Advertising
Paywall
Metered content
Press releases

All require a lot of traffic, and because news sites are untargeted, it's difficult to predict what kind of offers/products to sell.

With that said if anyone has ideas, I'm all ears.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by teamincome

So I watched both and they both seem to use the same methods, but are a lot more expensive than the pdf but if they work still seems worth it

I am personally expecting this method to stop working any day now, and I'd be very annoyed if that happened after I had spent $497 for it.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Google News isn't designed for us marketers to get on page 1 whenever we want - and I'm pretty sure Google regards such usage as a problem to be fixed.

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teamincome

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

I am personally expecting this method to stop working any day now, and I'd be very annoyed if that happened after I had spent $497 for it.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Google News isn't designed for us marketers to get on page 1 whenever we want - and I'm pretty sure Google regards such usage as a problem to be fixed.

So have you actually submitted a site to google news yet or are you still building it?

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Tina Golden

14 years ago

Caliban,

The smart ones who work a Google News site don't have to worry. I'm frankly surprised that Brian used that in is copy as that will attract exactly the types who will make them tighten the rules on newcomers.

Done right, you can make a very nice income from news site and there are perks to becoming a real member of the press.

Tina

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by teamincome

I am curious about setting up a google news site...

SEE the comments made by Louise and take them to heart. Or, be prepared to fall flat on your face as far as your "G News site" dream goes!

Originally Posted by Louise Evans

The products you're talking about require you to break Google's ToS to work.. there is a way to do it without breaking the ToS, (i.e do it for real)

Louise, you nailed it! As it stands right now a number of IMers are still vigorously pushing this method as a slam dunk way to obtain first page SEO rankings in 10 minutes or less.

I've seen all most all of the sales pages about this quote, little known "G News SEO Strategy" and quite frankly, all most all of them are nothing more than IM junkyard hype peppered with misleading and flat out deceptive sales copy.

There may be one or two exceptions, but I doubt it because I've looked at many of the sites the students of these systems have built after following the instructions of their teachers and their output looks NOTHING like G News compliant sites.

I highly doubt if most of those selling the G News strategy actually have G News compliant sites themselves.

Admittedly, I never bought any of their courses, ebooks or memberships, BUT I am familiar with the G News compliance process because I have a number of news sites and had them pre G News IM SEO hoopla.

I started off using *PHPCow as a platform years ago.

The truth is as Louise stated, you need to have a TRUE G News compliant site with real EDITORS [multiple] and your site MUST be news based.

Trying to pass off Article Directories, Authority Sites, PLR Driven Sites, Press Release Sites, Web Directories and all of the other IM tricks people are teaching to pass off as G News sites IS NOT going to work.

The barrage of non compliant G News sites may have caught G off guard in a temporary mental fart but with the uncharacteristic high number of applications, it was bound to raise RED FLAGS.

If you don't have REAL EDITORS or ghost writers posting news events, you are gong to be hanging on G News by a very thin thread; if you hang on at all.

Originally Posted by CDarklock

I am personally expecting this method to stop working any day now, and I'd be very annoyed if that happened after I had spent $497 for it.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Google News isn't designed for us marketers to get on page 1 whenever we want - and I'm pretty sure Google regards such usage as a problem to be fixed.

Caliban, it's ironic that you say that, because I just checked and the http://www.phpcow.com/ is down?

If you don't know, *PHPCow was putting out "News Site scripts" way before IM hucksters flooded the World Wide Web with what they believed to be the next hottest exploitable Google loophole.

You can see the PHPCow site on the Way Back machine here: PHPCow - Article, News Publishing Script, Content Management System

For that site to be down speaks volumes since their main stay was/is News Site Scripts. To be clear, I don't know what happened since I just learned they were down a few moments ago.

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

The smart ones who work a Google News site don't have to worry. Done right, you can make a very nice income from news site and there are perks to becoming a real member of the press.Tina

If you're wondering how a G News site should look, [a.k.a., Done right] here ya go:

Those are all live sites that represent what the Big G is looking for in G News compliant sites.

The bottom line is; if you are planning on setting up a genuine G News compliant site, then you will be good to go. If you're trying to set up a pseudo G News site for the sole purpose of gaining a instant SEO advantage, IMHO, you're really wasting valuable - time, energy and money.

There are plenty of other methods to obtain page one rankings that might not be as fast a G News but just as effective.

Giles, the Crew Chief

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SkiBum 14 years ago

Crew Chief,

Excellent Post Thanks

As someone who recommends themes that won't BK you, waht would you recommend as the top 2-3 for a News site?

Ski
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sax.sunny

14 years ago

I used Brian's method to create a Google News Site and submitted a while back. In August, I received a reply from Google News saying - "you site does not meet our guidelines"

I went to Google News Forum to find a specific reason to not select my site as a Google News Source. I somehow also found that the The Popular NewsPaper Theme is being very common. All those who followed Brian's course is selecting the same theme. But I doubt, that would be the reason, because the theme is a paid one.

Not sure though. I'm waiting for 1 month (4 Weeks) and thinking to re-apply.

Bottom line - This course is losing it's grip over the period of time I guess.

By the way I never found what the URL for Brian's forum is!

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Aaron Elliott

14 years ago

These gnews sites take more time to maintain, simply because you must update it daily. If you stick to the TOS there is no issues, and I can tell you before these warrior special offers came about there was already a ton of sad looking gnews sites approved.

Also, Crew Chief - press release sites are approved and allowed in google news. Just check out sites such as offical wire and many others all approved gnews sites which only release PR.

Even blogs are allowed into google news. Just follow the TOS and apply. Also, page one with google news -yes very possible however it will only last a matter of hours, until your story gets bumped to make room for the next story.

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Andyhenry

14 years ago

Hi teamincome,

You've had good answers already from Giles, Tina and Louise so I won't repeat it all again.

The short version is - Google News is not a 'method' it's a business model.

Try and do it short-cut style and you'll be wasting your time.

Focus on it properly and create a great news site and you don't have to worry about these things.

This is just another case of IMers jumping onboard what is an existing great business model but wanting to half-ass it in order to get the benefits without doing the required work.

The sites that do this well have teams of writers that create great news clips and relevant images - all the time.

It's not a 'method' to supplement other marketing strategies that you can dabble in.

I'm not saying that this is what you personally were intending to do , I don't know what your intentions were, but if faking backdated content in order to get accepted quicker was part of your plan then you're probably following poor advice.

There's a reason Google have those time periods before accepting new sites - lots of people apply and then stop providing good content. They don't want that stuff cluttering up their listings, but they love useful new sites that do bring value and keep bringing it on a long term basis.

If you're not intending your news site to be a full-time effort or cost you a lot in outsourcing - I would suggest you don't waste your time.

Andy

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abs007

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

I am personally expecting this method to stop working any day now, and I'd be very annoyed if that happened after I had spent $497 for it.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Google News isn't designed for us marketers to get on page 1 whenever we want - and I'm pretty sure Google regards such usage as a problem to be fixed.

wow is that the price of the course - could anyone point out what this course is please or how we can locate it

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Aaron Elliott 14 years ago

Originally Posted by abs007

wow is that the price of the course - could anyone point out what this course is please or how we can locate it

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$500 course to enter gnews? Honestly, just follow googles TOS when creating and running a site.

Agree with above post you need outsource all writers, and editors.
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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Aaron Elliott

These gnews sites take more time to maintain, simply because you must update it daily. If you stick to the TOS there is no issues, and I can tell you before these warrior special offers came about there was already a ton of sad looking gnews sites approved.

Aaron, just to clarify, it's not the aesthetics of the sites that matter at all, the DRUDGE REPORT 2010® is proof pudding. The point is being a bonafide news aggregator.

The people selling G News sites as the latest greatest Ninja Black Belt Drop Kick Instant SEO Domination tactic the IM world knows not of, are not telling purchasers they will actually have to build a news aggregator site. Had they told them the facts in their sales copy, their sells would have dropped DRAMATICALLY!

Hence, they continue to sell the hyped up sizzle, which is instant page one rankings for your targeted keywords.

That's what people are buying; they could care less about initially abiding by and maintaining the G News business model, criteria or guidelines.

Originally Posted by Aaron Elliott

Also, Crew Chief - press release sites are approved and allowed in google news. Just check out sites such as offical wire and many others all approved gnews sites which only release PR.

Even blogs are allowed into google news. Just follow the TOS and apply.

I'm aware that PR Sites and Blogs are allowed... but wait! REMEMBER, they are only allowed if they are genuine news aggegators. Taking traditional authority sites, blogs and affiliate sites monetized with Adsense, ShareaSale, CJ, etc., and pawning such sites off as news aggregators is not going to cut it.

Well guess what, that's one of the many G News tricks people are trying to pull off.

Lately I've seen a number of sites (i.e., Authority sites, PR Sites, Blogs and even sites with NEWS in the domain name) that have been flat out rejected by G News, that on the surface appeared to cut the mustard.

Duly note: that's what happens when you follow people who partly know what they are talking about.

The issues were:

They were using the same news theme used by a gazillion others who jumped on this bandwagon.
They were using the same content used by a gazillion others who jumped on this bandwagon.
They didn't pass the "Multiple Editor" mustard
They were using the same pics used by a gazillion others who jumped on this bandwagon.
The pics were click able to affiliate programs
They were submitting the EXACT SAME sites submitted by a gazillion others who jumped on this bandwagon.

One other thing, getting accepted into G News means that you essentially receive a license from G to participate in their news aggregator program. What the people selling these G News SEO kits and programs ARE NOT telling the folks is this, you can have your...

Google News Site License Revoked

And just so you know, the mad rush of people who initially got approved with their pseudo G News site are now starting to receive their license revocation notices literally in droves.

Again, if you don't have a genuine news aggregator site, don't waste your time applying to G News, no matter what some SEO G News guru is trying to sell you or tell you.

Originally Posted by Aaron Elliott

Also, page one with google news -yes very possible however it will only last a matter of hours, until your story gets bumped to make room for the next story.

Aaron, if you keep making statements like that, you are going to infuriate some folks because that's not what the people buying the latest G News SEO kits and subscriptions are being told.

One guy [a pure snake oil salesmen scum, if you asked me] has a video out showing how he obtains page one rankings in G [at will] using HIS G News system.

He's probably sold hundreds if not thousands of his G News kits leading people to believe that these rankings stick.

Originally Posted by SkiBum

As someone who recommends themes that won't BK you, waht would you recommend as the top 2-3 for a News site? Ski

At the moment, I wouldn't recommend any because the high volume of G News applications has virtually brought all new applications under a more intense scrutiny.

If one person is using a theme, you can bet that a boat load of others are using it also. Some of the individuals selling this G News SEO dream are actually providing turnkey themes and content.

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

The short version is - Google News is not a 'method' it's a business model.

Try and do it short-cut style and you'll be wasting your time.

Focus on it properly and create a great news site and you don't have to worry about these things.

This is just another case of IMers jumping onboard what is an existing great business model but wanting to half-ass it in order to get the benefits without doing the required work.

Andy, I couldn't have said it better.

One thing is for sure; those selling the G News method made a flat out killing!

Giles, the Crew Chief

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

At the moment, I wouldn't recommend any because the high volume of G News applications has virtually brought all new applications under a more intense scrutiny.

This is step one of what I've been expecting.

Step two is that the rules and guidelines get tightened up.

Step three is that sites which don't meet them are kicked out.

There will still be plenty of opportunity there for honest people who really want to run a bona fide news site. What there will not be is a free pass to page one for marketers who have sidewalled the Google News tent with an affiliate blog.

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d0rhk

14 years ago

I actually bought into one of these programs to get my own google news site.

I set up my site on Sept 1, and last night I received an email saying:

Hi Alex,

Thank you for your note.

Great news! This message is to confirm that we've reviewed and added your
site to Google News. The inclusion of your articles should be processed
within the next few days. Please retain this message and refer to it
should you have any issues with your site in Google News.

Google News Information
-------------------------

Site name: ****** News
Site location: Mississauga, Canada

Sample of the sections we should crawl for your site:
Section 1: http://www.****.com/category/business/
Section 2: http://www.****.com/category/entertainment/
Section 3: http://www.****.com/category/education/

So clearly if you follow what they teach, you can have your own G News site.

Am I going to be using this to market affiliate programs constantly? No.

Will I post the occasional press release mentioning their launch? Yes.

Will I be using this as a REAL news site that I want to build onto and make a real business out of? Yes.

Just look at what you can acheive with just adsense: www.adi-news.com - Website for Sale: ADI-News - 700$ average per month - Google News Site

All he does is monetize with adsense (and some CPA now that I look again). My monetization plan is much more involved because I will be incorporating affiliate marketing, CPA and some other methods.

I have a freelance writer who will be writing all of the articles for me. All you need is 200-300 word articles, and I can outsource them to her for $1-2... Spending $5-10 a day isnt much to have a busy news site.

Honestly I dont know why you're ripping news sites so much "Crew Chief". Maybe you've made a site or 2 and got rejected? Maybe you invested money into a program and it didnt pay out for you? Who knows.

I do agree with you and say that you cant just rank for any keyword instantly. Clearly that's a lie. BUT you can rank for keywords that already have news on their first page. It's not 100% guaranteed, but at least you have a chance.

This site will be almost 100% autopilot. I have a VERY good relationship with my writer, and I could trust her with posting content to it whenever she wants... Every now and then I would need to go over it, but other than that, I just pay her weekly and I check my mail for my cheques.

We'll see how it all pans out, but I really have high hopes.

If I dont make all the money I hope to be making in 1-2 months then I'll just sell the site for $800+ USD.

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rich_henderson 14 years ago

There are some really great answers on here and as usual the Crew Chief takes time out of his busy day to get his very valid points across, kudos.

I know the general method used to be fill up 3 months worth of "news" posts with scraped pr releases then start posting real unique news, always thought this was like putting up a big sign saying "google ban me" but if it worked then more fool google. However it would appear like "fool them once..........." might be coming into play.

d0rhk: Huge congrats for getting accepted but just have 1 question which you can ignore if you want

Did you actually submit your site on the 1st Sept? Or that is when you built it and submitted it even later?

If its the former thats 2 weeks which is a lot less than is being reported by many naysayers especially on the google news forum. If so at least that might hold out some hope for those that have submitted ot have just bought one of the courses.

As for being accepted I don't think there is any doubt if you play by the rules you can make serious amounts of money with google news sites.
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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by d0rhk

So clearly if you follow what they teach, you can have your own G News site.

The question is not whether it can work. Obviously, Google News does exist and sites are in it. There's obviously a way to get sites into Google News, and I'm sure there are plenty of people who know how to do it.

The question is whether the launch buzz around building Google News sites is going to impact things. I know one guy who's given webinars to over 500 people this week alone - and I know this because I was in two of those webinars, one with over 200 people and one with over 300.

He's not the only one pushing this. His program isn't the only program. And some of these programs will be less reputable and ethical than others. Even if one guy's program works, what about the other guys? What about the ebooks? The blog posts? The coaching advice?

How many crap Google News sites are being submitted, and what is that going to do for the rest of them?

Andy's made the point already that led me to walk away from Google News as an option: you have to constantly update the site with news. I don't want to do that. I'm bad at that. So Google News really isn't that attractive an option to me, anyway.

My concern is primarily for the people who are going to be taken in by someone that leaves them ranting around the forum cursing the "gurus" who ripped them off. Google News is starting to attract too much attention, and I simply don't believe all the training is 100% honest about getting you into the program.

I know there are people advising you to backdate content and make your site look older. I know there are people advising you to lie about the number of contributors you have. I know there are people saying to post fake items on your site and delete them, so you can get the post numbers high enough to make Google happy.

What kind of advice is being given where I can't see it?

I know it's weird, that I would actually give a crap about someone who is thinking about getting training on a subject I don't know or care much about. I know most people are nodding to one another and saying "he's got some sort of angle here."

But honestly, you can have fifty Google News sites - and I don't care. It doesn't hurt my business. If you make a shedload of cash, good for you; there's still plenty more cash out there for me to make. If you get higher Google rankings than I do, fine. I've got no dog in this fight. I'm just concerned about whether these programs are a smart direction.

And I like the people offering those programs, so it's not a personal problem, either. I really do have concerns about the overall value of this kind of training, not because I don't think it works today - but because it will take up time, energy, and investment you could have put into something else. I think most people would be better served in the long run by putting their $497 into AdWords and testing a few small, short campaigns.
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- rich_henderson 14 years ago
  
  Hey d0rhk
  
  Many thanks for the fast response and for your pm, much appreciated.
  
  Interesting that you used unique content which as far as I am aware is not what the courses were teaching and as you say, if its unique and newsworthy why wouldn't they accept it.
  
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d0rhk

14 years ago

Hey rich_henderson,

Thanks for the congrats.

I bought the program on Sept 1.
I finished my site on Sept 4
I submitted it on Sept 5th.
If anyone wants proof i'll send a screenshot.
I got accepted on Sept 16.

One thing that many people do is just use old, crappy news articles or press releases when they make the site. I decided I didnt want that crap on my site and I took the time to write up a bunch of articles. Sure it took a long time, but look... I have my site in G News.

The theme has nothing to do with it... I'm using a free "news theme" from the wordpress site. Honestly it looks like crap and once I get some money coming in, I am going to buy a nice premium theme I found last night.

Bottom line, QUALITY UNIQUE content is what I think got me in. Really though, if your site follows the guidelines, has a news theme and has good quality news content, why wouldnt they accept you?

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Super Affiliate

14 years ago

Personally, I've been working very hard to include one of my sites into the Google News directory. I've hired a ghostwriter to write 3 news stories every single day and I've done that for 2 months now.

The result?

I got rejected twice and Google no longer responds to my email any more. I felt like I completely wasted money on this.

So I have no idea whether you could really make a lot of money (I'm sure you can make some) using Google News site. It only stays there for a few hours to a few days at max anyway so I wonder if these sites are really worth your time.

Any more thoughts?

Joe

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Andyhenry

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Super Affiliate

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So I have no idea whether you could really make a lot of money (I'm sure you can make some) using Google News site. It only stays there for a few hours to a few days at max anyway so I wonder if these sites are really worth your time.

Any more thoughts?

Joe

I was showing people how to do this (for free) 6 years ago.

This latest craze is just the normal IM bandwagon where people realised it hasn't been milked to death and if they say "no 1 in Google in minutes" some poor suckers will think it's new and jump onboard.

yes you can still do it and make money - but it's not new and it's not something that suits most people as it needs excellent systems, outsourcing or complete focus to do well.

Those are 3 things most people do not have - especially if you've never really been successful with anything before - this is way more work than most people are used to and not a good model for most people.

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Super Affiliate

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Those are 3 things most people do not have - especially if you've never really been successful with anything before - this is way more work than most people are used to and not a good model for most people.

That's what I thought. I wanted to add another income stream and it just wasn't one of the easy ones I tell ya. Thanks for sharing that.

Joe

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by d0rhk

I actually bought into one of these programs to get my own google news site.

I set up my site on Sept 1, and last night I received an email saying:

So clearly if you follow what they teach, you can have your own G News site.

Am I going to be using this to market affiliate programs constantly? No.

Will I post the occasional press release mentioning their launch? Yes.

Will I be using this as a REAL news site that I want to build onto and make a real business out of? Yes.

Alex, just to clarify, as of late, there has been and is currently an on going mad feverish dash to launch G News sites due to the high number of individuals selling G News kits, strategies and turn key packages.

And yes, many of those buying the aforementioned G News products are getting their sites approved. But as previously stated, there is QC on the backend that is continuous and when sites fail the indepth G News Quality Control tests, they are getting their licenses revoked, which as stated previously; is happening to G News site owners in mass.

Originally Posted by d0rhk

Just look at what you can acheive with just adsense: www.adi-news.com - Website for Sale: ADI-News - 700$ average per month - Google News Site

All he does is monetize with adsense (and some CPA now that I look again).

Alex, this was not a great example of what one can achieve with a G News site and I'll tell you why.

First, the site was launched on 24-may-2010. That is hardly anytime to gauge if it is a success or not.
Secondly, the owner clearly launched the site with the intent of capitalizing on the mad dash to get G News sites
Thirdly, the owner states and I quote, "This site was my first Google News test site." Notice he said, test site. His newness really shows when he states that a person will be able to earn $5k to $10k p/m off of this site. Yeah right?! NO smart investor is going to plunk large $$$ on a test site but noobs will buy sites like this all day long.
I checked out the site and actually there are three issues that may eventually rare up and bite whoever owns the site. (a) They are currently using copyright pics. (b). Remember the affiliate program with the pic that you have to click on to get to the sales page? Go and read the G News TOS on that issue and get back with me. (c). The final one and this is the Pink Elephant in the room...

10.3 Unless Google has given you specific written permission to do so, you may not assign (or grant a sub-license of) your rights to use the Software, grant a security interest in or over your rights to use the Software, or otherwise transfer any part of your rights to use the Software.

G News DOE NOT authorize anyone to sell their G News license!

Which means, whoever buys that site just paid a hell of a lot of money for a domain name with a DASH!

Now that's funny as long as you are not the buyer.

That is what happens when you deal with people who partly know what they are doing...

Originally Posted by d0rhk

Honestly I dont know why you're ripping news sites so much "Crew Chief". Maybe you've made a site or 2 and got rejected? Maybe you invested money into a program and it didnt pay out for you? Who knows.

Just so you know, as I previously stated, I have some G News sites and have had them for a number if years now. I wasn't ripping G News sites, I was just stating some obvious facts IMers must take into consideration.

In other words, set aside the hype and base your decision on the facts.

Originally Posted by d0rhk

If I dont make all the money I hope to be making in 1-2 months then I'll just sell the site for $800+ USD.

Make sure you read the G News licensing TOS before you think about selling your G News License. A person may get pretty peeved once they learn you just sold them a license for $800.00 that you have absolutely no right to sell or transfer.

Giles, the Crew Chief

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Richnana

14 years ago

I jst received an email and of course the video, about this method of getting traffic. I am so glad you posted this so I can avoid the fallout. The only thing about trying to get around the Google TOS is that if you are caught, it can cost you BIG in the long run.

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d0rhk

14 years ago

Is the "license" you're talking about, that email that I got from google?

No idea what youre talking about...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by d0rhk

Is the "license" you're talking about, that email that I got from google?

No idea what youre talking about...

What I'm talking about is the Google TOS found at: Google Terms of Service

Related to all G products is this...

10. License from Google

10.1 Google gives you a personal, worldwide, royalty-free, non-assignable and non-exclusive license to use the software provided to you by Google as part of the Services as provided to you by Google (referred to as the "Software" below). This license is for the sole purpose of enabling you to use and enjoy the benefit of the Services as provided by Google, in the manner permitted by the Terms.
10.2 You may not (and you may not permit anyone else to) copy, modify, create a derivative work of, reverse engineer, decompile or otherwise attempt to extract the source code of the Software or any part thereof, unless this is expressly permitted or required by law, or unless you have been specifically told that you may do so by Google, in writing.
10.3 Unless Google has given you specific written permission to do so, you may not assign (or grant a sub-license of) your rights to use the Software, grant a security interest in or over your rights to use the Software, or otherwise transfer any part of your rights to use the Software.

And just so you know, after all of the hoopla, what's going on, on the backend is probably going to get more uglier than it is right now.

This is just one example and I could show you a ton of them.

This site was sold on Flippa: www.Smoode.com - Website for Sale: Google News Site, Insane Traffic in 2 Weeks, No Reserve, Trusted Seller, $1 for $1300.00 on Jul 20, 2010, and was then removed from Google News within 24 to 48 hours of the transaction.

I know because I've been tracking this G News SERP hype thing since it started. If you go to that site now, you will see nothing, zilch, nada: http://www.smoode.com/ Do you think that guy is pissed?

Also, there is a backlash no one selling or buying the pseudo G News sites expected. REAL journalists have taken offense to these pseudo G News sites and they are reporting these sites to Google by the droves.

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

What I'm talking about is the Google TOS found at: Google Terms of Service

Related to all G products is this...

And just so you know, after all of the hoopla, what's going on, on the backend is probably going to get more uglier than it is right now.

This is just one example and I could show you a ton of them.

This site was sold on Flippa: www.Smoode.com - Website for Sale: Google News Site, Insane Traffic in 2 Weeks, No Reserve, Trusted Seller, $1 for $1300.00 on Jul 20, 2010, and was then removed from Google News within 24 to 48 hours of the transaction.

I know because I've been tracking this G News SERP hype thing since it started. If you go to that site now, you will see nothing, zilch, nada: http://www.smoode.com/ Do you think that guy is pissed?

Also, there is a backlash no one selling or buying the pseudo G News sites expected. REAL journalists have taken offense to these pseudo G News sites and they are reporting these sites to Google by the droves.

You may also want to look at:

Hope that helps.

Giles, the Crew Chief

Thanks Giles.

Appreciate all this info. I've been quietly building a site that I intend to submit to Google News eventually. Never bought a course. There's plenty of free info on this and everything you've said in this thread is all you need to know and spot on.

I didn't know about the Google Tos for transferring a GNS, and that just saved me $1,000 because I was just about to buy one, so double thanks.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Thanks Giles.

Appreciate all this info. I've been quietly building a site that I intend to submit to Google News eventually. Never bought a course. There's plenty of free info on this and everything you've said in this thread is all you need to know and spot on.

I didn't know about the Google Tos for transferring a GNS, and that just saved me $1,000 because I was just about to buy one, so double thanks.

Suzanne, I am elated that you didn't make that costly mistake!!! I'm probably happier than you are...

The kicker is, most of the people selling the G News kits and packages have never bothered to read the G TOS and they themselves don't even realize they are violating G's TOS.

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Suzanne, I am elated that you didn't make that costly mistake!!! I'm probably happier than you are...

The kicker is, most of the people selling the G News kits and packages have never bothered to read the G TOS and they themselves don't even realize they are violating G's TOS.

Giles, the Crew Chief

Oh ... I'm elated that today isn't Monday ... lol. That's when the deal was going to be done. I've been watching the trend on Flippa. These sites are selling for $1,500 and recently one went for about $6,500. These sites don't go unsold and there's going to be a whole lot of really pissed off buyers because this isn't chump change they're spending on these sites.

I'm glad I didn't get sucked into a "course", because, like you ... I don't think of a Google News Site as a "method" ... it's a highly valuable website that will be part of my business sites ... and that's the way I've been building it. Not with any fly by night techniques to get accepted in 2 weeks ... just solid content and compliance with Google New Source quality guidelines.

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d0rhk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Oh ... I'm elated that today isn't Monday ... lol. That's when the deal was going to be done. I've been watching the trend on Flippa. These sites are selling for $1,500 and recently one went for about $6,500. These sites don't go unsold and there's going to be a whole lot of really pissed off buyers because this isn't chump change they're spending on these sites.

I'm glad I didn't get sucked into a "course", because, like you ... I don't think of a Google News Site as a "method" ... it's a highly valuable website that will be part of my business sites ... and that's the way I've been building it. Not with any fly by night techniques to get accepted in 2 weeks ... just solid content and compliance with Google New Source quality guidelines.

That's what I'm doing too. I'm building a site that I want to maintain, and keep as a long term business.

I'm not in it for the over night success... If I wanted that I would send PPC traffic to a sales page or something.

I really want something thats high quality and actually provides value to G News as a whole.

Anyways after reading like 200 topics on the G News forum, the people who run legitimate sites in G News are sick and tired of crappy spam sites being included in the network.

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rich_henderson

14 years ago

d0rhk I see what you mean about the bitching on the google news forum. I guess you can see their point though many of these people are not "internet marketers" per se and have prob put tons of effort into getting into google and then along IM'ers like us and whack a site up in a few days using scraped duplicate press releases and get accepted. (not referring to you there d0rhk I know yours was unique)

I see there is even a thread started asking authentic users to post any spammy news sites they find so google can ban them. Now we do know that is a long slippery slope, but I wonder if google will read the thread and check them out.

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ExRat

14 years ago

Hi,

This is a classic example of how the massive amount of 'technique sellers' kill off anything once it hits the mainstream. The same cycle just keeps repeating over and over and over.

Technique gets sold mainstream > technique gets overdone > people start closing off the technique and a backlash begins.

I don't know if anyone else can relate to this, but it's funny how these things zap around the world as quick as a flash once they go mainstream.

I don't want to say too much (in case the person in question is around - it's a small (IM) world) but I had a situation with a client of mine, from abroad, who was positioning someone else to directly challenge my position as a provider of services to them.

I questioned the person about their techniques and abilities (one to one) and guess what one of their planned 'SEO' techniques was? And the site in question can not in any way be classed as a 'news' site worthy of Google news acceptance. As soon as he mentioned 'Google news' I almost spat my pint out.

This IM world is often much 'smaller' than we might think it is, which in some ways is a good thing. But as for mass-market products, they should come with a warning -

This product is awesome - but once I put it up for sale to the general masses - it's over.

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi,

This is a classic example of how the massive amount of 'technique sellers' kill off anything once it hits the mainstream. The same cycle just keeps repeating over and over and over.

Technique gets sold mainstream > technique gets overdone > people start closing off the technique and a backlash begins.

Many IMers feel a sense of entitlement to ravage and destroy any sites, whether it's Social Networks, Twitter, Craigslist, people's blog comments, forums ... you name it ... it's theirs to use for their own promotion.

John McCabe used a term yesterday that accurately describes it
"Like a swarm of locusts that destroys everthing in it's path"

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi, This is a classic example of how the massive amount of 'technique sellers' kill off anything once it hits the mainstream. The same cycle just keeps repeating over and over and over.

Most people don't know this but stealthy IMers WERE quietly using this strategy as far back as 2007 and they essentially stayed under the radar. It wasn't until Shoemoney wrote sort of an expose in June of 2009 that others jumped on the bandwagon and made launching GnEws sites the latest IM goldrush.

Unfortunately, unless the person is a genuine journalist or legitimate news publisher, GnEws turns out to be fool's gold.

Most people who paid for the GnEws courses, kits, memberships, packages and pre-built GnEws websites had no idea they were attributing themselves to be genuine JOURNALISTS and NEWS PUBLISHERS.

To be clear; when a person builds and launches a GnEws site, they are telling the watchful eyes of news industry that they are going to abide by: (a). Journalism ethics and standards, and abide by (b). Google News TOS.

The problem is; NONE of those selling the GnEws sites, packages, training, kits or pre-built GnEws sites have ever read the GnEws TOS and neither have they read or agreed to any of the Journalism ethics and standards.

Most of them don't even realize the magnitude of ripping off and spinning stories from the Associated Press. ROTFLMAO...

Originally Posted by ExRat

Technique gets sold mainstream > technique gets overdone > people start closing off the technique and a backlash begins.

Had they read and adopted the Journalism ethics and standards, they wouldn't dare pepper the Internet with Fake Journalists and hijacked news content spun from copyrighted news sources.

Did they really think they were going to RIP OFF journalists without ANY retribution?

What has happened is a backlash from multiple sources. These pseudo GnEws sites are catching fierce heat from G News, journalists, news agencies and from an industry that is already reeling from job losses and plant closings.

Those in the industry are aggressively tracking and reporting these newly launched pseudo news sites by the droves... and G is listening and responding.

What's amazing, the people who bought into this method didn't comprehend what they were going to be up against.

For example, Google the phrase make money online. Did you notice what is glaringly missing from the SERPs? G News results!

ALERT: G News is starting to remove GnEws results from niches KNOWN to be inhabited by G News SPAM jockeys.

Which means the money and rankings these pseudo journalists and pseudo publishers dreamed about won't be forth coming.

It's turning out that for many who thought they were buying the answer to their IM dreams... only bought another IM mirage.

Originally Posted by ExRat

... as for mass-market products, they should come with a warning -This product is awesome - but once I put it up for sale to the general masses - it's over.

ExRat, in the case of GnEws sites, it has not panned out for those who bought this method as a means to dominate the SERPs thinking they were going to become rich using it!

There are only two people who are actually making money with this method;

Those who are selling it as a unbelievable effortless SEO tactic.
Some of those guys have made a killing at $500.00 and up a pop for their training/courses!
Those who are selling Pre-made content filled GNews websites. Some of these guys are making a semi-killing selling GnEws sites from $1.300.00 to $7500.00 and up a pop!

BUT, those two gravy trains are coming to a sobering halt as the backlash is turning into a swarming Tsunami.

Some journalists and genuine news site owners have gathered the names of the teachers selling G News as a SEO tactic and they are starting to vehemently and passionately harangue and besmirch these teachers and their students.

I'd hate to be one of those who was out in the open pushing this method because their names are going to be sullied for a long time.

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ExRat 14 years ago

Hi Crew Chief,

Thanks a lot - you filled in a lot of gaps with that post and taught me a few things I wasn't aware of - much appreciated.

Edit - just went off and found the SM blog post in question - there were some funny comments in there, and the most recent one caught my attention ;-)
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- sbucciarel Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ExRat
  
  Hi Crew Chief,
  
  Thanks a lot - you filled in a lot of gaps with that post and taught me a few things I wasn't aware of - much appreciated.
  
  I'll second that. Far more informative and useful for people who would like to develop a GNews site than the $500 "technique" sellers who are going to get your site and many others revoked if they ever do get accepted to start with.
  
  Should be a WSO, but truthiness doesn't sell very well
  
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d0rhk

14 years ago

Oh wow, thanks for showing me these... This one: Trying To Understand The Google News Licence Revoke Process? - Google News Help is actually an eye opener...

I had no idea the "license" actually became void, or fraudulent once transferred to a new owner..

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rich_henderson

14 years ago

Crew Chief >> best post yet.

I think you summed it all up quite nicely.

However they must figure there is still a bit more scope for profits cos just received 2 more emails announcing upcoming Gnews webinars.

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

This is step one of what I've been expecting.

Step two is that the rules and guidelines get tightened up.

Step three is that sites which don't meet them are kicked out.

There will still be plenty of opportunity there for honest people who really want to run a bona fide news site. What there will not be is a free pass to page one for marketers who have sidewalled the Google News tent with an affiliate blog.

Caliban, you forgot step four...

Find the nearest forum and rant, whine and whinge about how unfair Google is, and how they're in cahoots with the big companies to keep the little guy down.

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Martin Luxton

14 years ago

I jumped off the GNews bandwagon a while back.

Instead I'm doing a $1,997 product on how to set up a cloned version of the Warrior Forum and INSTANTLY GET 169,000 MEMBERS!!!

But be quick, there are only 4 million licences available (any more than that and the market might get a little saturated

)

Martin

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Martin Luxton

14 years ago

Giles,

This is part of the email I received promoting a GNews seminar.

Would you say this was right on the nail or a wee bit misleading?

The point: I can write a few little
articles a day about the latest news
in sports... Stick some simple Adsense
ads on the site... And generate a few
grand a month.

Martin

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

Giles, This is part of the email I received promoting a GNews seminar.

The point: I can write a few little
articles a day about the latest news
in sports... Stick some simple Adsense
ads on the site... And generate a few
grand a month.

Would you say this was right on the nail or a wee bit misleading? Martin

Martin, a person would have to have JUST been introduced to the Internet this morning to believe that!!!!!

But then again, the excitement created by the sellers of G nEws sites, kits, packages and memberships feels like the California gold rush. Notice I said feels like it.

Here are a few G nEws sites recently put up for sale:

World News - Heard Now SOLD for $2,800.00 - Aug 18, 2010

West End Shows London | Theater and West End Show News Online Asking $3,000.000

NetbookBoards.com - The latest netbook news published daily Asking $7,000.000

And there's more...

The prices they are charging for these sites are MIND BOGGLING! And in many cases, they are getting it.

The kicker is, with no refunds and the rate in which G nEws is de-indexing these pseudo G nEws sites, I'd imagine these buyers are going to be out looking for some hide... if you get my drift.

Originally Posted by rich_henderson

However they must figure there is still a bit more scope for profits cos just received 2 more emails announcing upcoming Gnews webinars.

Yeah Rich, these guys have been going off line with G nEws sites like there is no tomorrow. They seem to be following the same pattern and path as the Google Cash geniuses.

The funny sad thing that still amazes me is how easy people allow themselves to be duped by the obvious. It sorta like literally believing the commercial with the lion and zebra sharing the waterhole together.

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Frank Donovan 14 years ago

Giles,

Thanks for some good inside info in this thread. It's just a pity that more budding GNews course buyers aren't aware of the potential pitfalls you bring up.

I also saw the email that Martin referenced. It's interesting that later on in the same email, the marketer mentions that there are now an estimated 70,000 GNews sites. Only a couple of weeks ago, one of the main GNews course sellers claimed there were around 25,000 sites.

If those figures are in any way accurate (I know that's a big 'if'), it suggests a three-fold increase in a matter of weeks.

And the webinars keep on coming...

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Martin Luxton

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Martin, a person would have to have JUST been introduced to the Internet this morning to believe that!!!!!

Giles, the Crew Chief

Giles,

The reason I posted that was because it comes from a marketer who has publicly ranted against the very kind of thing they are promoting.

Very much a case of "do as I say, not what I do".

Martin

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theemperor

14 years ago

I tried this method buying a WSO a couple of months back.

I put a lot of effort into getting the site perfect as per the WSO specs and posting backdated content. I also outsourced the writing of current content and kept it up to date.

My site was rejected, without a specific reason from Google and the big G was impossible to communicate with.

In retrospect I see how I was pulled in by the brilliant WSO copy but didn't think straight - this was more of a rich-quick trick than a real business opportunity. A silly diversion and the reason I now avoid the WSO section as it is easy to be convinced by the sales copy and "social proof" and common sense gets left behind.

The two main problems of this method is that the reward to effort ratio is low even if successful and it is likely to die off quickly as loads of latecomers enter the show and saturate it. In this gold rush, the real winners are the ones selling the shovels.

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

Giles, The reason I posted that was because it comes from a marketer who has publicly ranted against the very kind of thing they are promoting. Very much a case of "do as I say, not what I do". Martin

It's not surprising Martin... when people jump into the "Get Rich Quick Niche" they will sell their souls to the Beetlejuice...

Since yesterday evening, I've received about two dozen emails from different affiliates hawking the new - quote, "IM code." The sales page for this rehashed/regurgitated product comes with a sizzling Clickbank income verification video that will be a slam dunk in convincing ANY noob to BUY NOW.

When I tell you this video looks 100% authentic = BELIEVE IT!

The funny thing, he claims his IM code is f.r.e.e.? It's free but he somehow gets over 24 different affiliates to start hammering me in a 24 hour time span. It's free but you have a payout of up to a $192.00 a pop?!

Ok, as you know, it's not free; he just says that to bait potential buyers to the UPSELL PAGE >>>>

As Chris Carter, Chris Berman, Tom Jackson and Coach Ditka say on NFL Countdown, "C'mon man!"

Originally Posted by theemperor

I tried this method buying a WSO a couple of months back. I put a lot of effort into getting the site perfect as per the WSO specs and posting backdated content. I also outsourced the writing of current content and kept it up to date. My site was rejected, without a specific reason from Google and the big G was impossible to communicate with.

A lot of people are getting that enemic response; especially those who:

Use any of the themes being suggested by the G nEws SEO Pros. The masses are using the exact same themes and I'm sure G News employees are ROTFLOA every time they see them. Of course you know their next action; they push the G News Site REJECT button.
Use back dated content. That trick worked until these pseudo G nEws sites started going through the G nEws QC on the backend. The glaring issue are the people who launch sites with back dated content from 2008 and 2009 but they just created and bought the domain name in June 2010.
Have Fake Journalists!!! If you built a G nEws site using Fake Journalists or bought a G nEws site that has Fake Journalists, brace yourself, because G News QC has caught on to that trick and they have started to crack down HARD! By the way, did you get some industry credentials for your FJs?
Use suspect content. Ah, the G nEws SEO Pros should have seen this one coming being that they are dealing with educated and trained JOURNALISTS and established NEWS PUBLISHERS who take immense pride in their literary eyes, minds and skills. Stealing their content, (i.e., news stories, press releases and editorials) means that you've raise the ire of the entire News Industry. That means the News Guild, Associated Press, starving journalists, and various other unions who take their livelihoods SERIOUS. It's you against them baby!

Originally Posted by theemperor

The two main problems of this method is that the reward to effort ratio is low even if successful and it is likely to die off quickly as loads of latecomers enter the show and saturate it. In this gold rush, the real winners are the ones selling the shovels.

What's sad is the G nEws IM gold rush is apparently STILL picking up steam!?!

We're still seeing more and more web designers placing pre-built G nEws sites up for sell and they are not cheap.

Buyers beware!!!

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cma01

14 years ago

I'm not sure why this is even considered something that you would need "inside" information on.

All you have to do is follow the Google guidelines and create a site that meets them.

You need multiple authors/editors and have a site that publishes a unique ID in the url.

I have a site in Google news that is on Joomla using one of the SEF extensions. You just set it so that the date and the post ID are appended after the article title in the URL.

But any page 1 rankings you get are temporary. If you have an actual news site, you should be in Google News. If you just want organic rankings, it makes more sense just to build it the regular way.

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raylm123

14 years ago

I'm clearly missing something here.:confused:

I've always been able to get temporary page 1 rankings on google news by submitting a relevant press release about my company that includes my targeted keywords.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by cma01

I'm not sure why this is even considered something that you would need "inside" information on.

You need inside info when you are a "LMIM" Lottery Minded Internet Marketer!

Originally Posted by Kezz

So my conclusion is that the best and easiest way to get content onto Google News is to pay for a press release service that will get you there.

But why jump through all of the hoops of building a G News Site, getting it approved and then paying for Press Releases only to snag temporary first page rankings? Especially since you are not guaranteed to get those first page rankings 100% of the time if you are targeting highly competitive keyword phrases.

Originally Posted by raylm123

I'm clearly missing something here.:confused: I've always been able to get temporary page 1 rankings on google news by submitting a relevant press release about my company that includes my targeted keywords.

Here's what you've been missing; the majority of people selling these G nEws kits, packages and websites are claiming that the students of their G nEws SEO training courses and buyers of their G nEws pre-built sites will effortlessly obtain page one rankings and make thousands of dollars per month virtually on auto pilot.

They swear, claim and declare that they have found the latest and greatest Google SEO loophole and G nEws IS IT!

At the moment, monitoring the current G News Site IM gold rush is like watching a Soap Opera.

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14 years ago

My partner and I used to run a legitimate entertainment news site with high traffic and very high quality content and we were knocked back by Google News with the reason that we didn't have enough staff.

They told us that when we had hired two more journalists we would probably qualify, but that they needed to know we were a real news organization and not just bloggers.

So my conclusion is that the best and easiest way to get content onto Google News is to pay for a press release service that will get you there.

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dagaul101

14 years ago

Personally I wouldn't bother with the course if Google are already onto it, but that's just me

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Giles

This site was recently listed. I've seen more news sites sell for high dollars very quickly on Flippa. They were indexed in Google News, but this one is claiming to be a Google News Site and it is not indexed in Google News. I just went to Google News and entered in site:sitename.com and zero listings. Is there any other way to tell if it is actually a Google News site? Very fishy listing ... this one. No income proof and no posts in Google News.

flippa.com/auctions/107966

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smorhaim

14 years ago

I want to ask something kind of related to this subject... I see some mixed comments about making money of a gnews site... so.. which is it? Can you make money or not? And if yes, can we hear 2 or 3 ideas on how to start monetizing?

I got mine approved last week and I've got a lot of traffic, but so far just a few dollars on adsense, 15% CTR on affiliates, but 0 sales...

So please.. anything helps.

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