Can you go to college to learn this stuff?

by nelsencaleb Banned
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Hey everyone, Caleb here. Decided to do a lot of posting and buying here today for some reason. The buying was a big mistake lol. Except for 1 of my purchases that one was really good.

Anyways, I'm college-bound next year, yes I'm a senior, I'm really interested in this IMing stuff, can I go to college for this? Learn about this? Or is this considered like an entrepreneur?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    Some of the best advice you'll receive is going to be about stop buying the next best thing, and start doing. The more you're buying and reading, the less you're working. Find your market, get to work, and keep your head down until it's working.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Too Bad you bought a lot of stuff.

    Don't get me wrong, there are some nice WSOs going on, however, the "College" is the WarRoom and Allen's threads specifically.

    I hope you find what you are looking for and Best wishes for your senior year at college.

    What is your Major?

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    • Profile picture of the author nelsencaleb
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      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Too Bad you bought a lot of stuff.

      Don't get me wrong, there are some nice WSOs going on, however, the "College" is the WarRoom and Allen's threads specifically.

      I hope you find what you are looking for and Best wishes for your senior year at college.

      What is your Major?

      George Wright
      Misunderstanding lol. Senior in highschool. Planning on going to college. Planned major for now is Aerospace Engineering. Wouldn't it be cool to build planes or even planes and weapons for the military?

      EDIT: Let me take a look around for that war room and this Allen guy. Then I'll post back.
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  • Profile picture of the author prodigaljoe
    I never went to college so my opinion might not mean much. I also don't know what kind of courses are offered. I know many people who went to college and the vast majority of the education they received was how to work for someone else. How to be a good employee. How to get a good job starting at 40k and move up in a company.

    You might find some interesting marketing courses and get a few tips but that is one massive investment for a few tips. I started online in 98 just a couple years after dropping out of high school and I thought it would be better to be online and involved rather than go to college. I was right. I have been very successful and have created many companies and sold a few. I live a very nice lifestyle and everyone I went to school with was shocked to see I made more in a week what many people made in a year. BUT part of this was due to me living in my parents basement for 5 years building businesses. If you can keep your expenses down to almost nothing and keep reinvesting the money you make back into the business then you should be ok as long as you are serious about making this work. I hate to suggest you not go to college but it will work as long as you put the work and time in. If you are worried about your image and want to start buying fancy cars and going out a lot then just go to college. Going into business for yourself with this type of personality can end badly. I had a broken down car when I was making $30k a month. I figured why have a fancy car when I never leave the house!

    It can work IF you can live off of almost no money for the next couple years to build up a solid business first. Basic answer to your question... You CAN'T learn this stuff in college. You need to be here in the trenches to learn it. Just be careful about making the decision to pass up school
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  • Profile picture of the author nelsencaleb
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    I believe that if you put the work into this you can definitely get results. I made my first $900 of a product launch of a game all by posting in forums, no website, no email, forums, and I'm living off that to try and get into this IMing stuff.

    Question for you though: How much time a day do you dedicate to this business? Be sweet to make 10k a month lol. I don't know why people want to make 5k a day when you can just make 10k a month which is considered RICH. That's my goal lol. I'm doing Mark Lings Affillioblueprint. Met this named JMPruit and he's a lot of help to me, if your out there reading this JM - appreciate it!! I don't know if he's on the warrior forums or not..

    In response to Andy: Shoot, I'd have to purchase that lifetime membership. Where can I find a description of what that private forum offers me?
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    • Profile picture of the author prodigaljoe
      Originally Posted by nelsencaleb View Post

      I believe that if you put the work into this you can definitely get results. I made my first $900 of a product launch of a game all by posting in forums, no website, no email, forums, and I'm living off that to try and get into this IMing stuff.

      Question for you though: How much time a day do you dedicate to this business? Be sweet to make 10k a month lol. I don't know why people want to make 5k a day when you can just make 10k a month which is considered RICH. That's my goal lol. I'm doing Mark Lings Affillioblueprint. Met this named JMPruit and he's a lot of help to me, if your out there reading this JM - appreciate it!! I don't know if he's on the warrior forums or not..
      Easily 16 hour days 7 days a week. I rarely left the house. Maybe once a month I would get out. Things were a bit different then. It was everyone for themselves. We were all pioneers and exploring different ways to make money online. No fancy automated software or gurus holding your hand. I would track down competitors by hand and see what they were doing and others were doing the same to me.

      Eventually I hired several full time employees to help run some of my properties that were getting pretty big.

      You seem like you are on the right track and if 10k a month is good enough then write that down, frame it and put it on the wall as a reminder to never live beyond that. There is much more money than that to be made. The hard part is trying not to spend it all You will be set for life is you can work hard and stay disciplined.
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      • Profile picture of the author cantfigureout
        I was exactly in you situation a while back, well start of summers. I'm in college and was just promoted to 2nd year in Mechanical Engineering. I was really fired in the start of start summer about the whole 'microniche'. Read loads of thread here and other sites. Created a nice to-do list and planned to go forward with it.

        The thing which really fired me up was to see people claiming make 10k a month doing nothing but what I love to do, surf, read, publish = money. I dedicated a month of understanding the whole IMing but I soon realize it was something which required load of time, dedication and load of time to kill. You can consider social bookmarking either 'tedious' task or just a normal task, I actaully didn't find any SEO technique boring or mundane task.

        Anyhow, after being 'ignited' with excitement, I went on creating a blog on blogger which took me more than a week to set up because of multiple errors in selecting the right keyword, location, domain, content. But I was heading for trouble, there were just soooo many obstacles to overcome only to get the blog indexed. That really didn't motivate me at all, it actually killed the fire within me. Later I did create the page but it was just so 'broken', confusing I was like 'wth did i just create' I did bunch of stuff with it only to find it it being spam was got deleted. I wasn't even expecting much from it.

        I than created a second niche and was far from perfect and decided to giveup. Right now, I have no intention doing IMer for a while. Simply because it requires loads of time and stuff which you won't get.

        Than later, I realized, how could I compete with people who have been doing this as their 'business' for over 5 years, reading the same book, know all the tricks/tips which they are hiding? Like all of us are selling exactly the same products from the same site and all of us are pretty much using the same keyworld. It's just impossible to make a single sale! Everyone of us are targeting the people with limited products! I'm saying trying to compete with 100 million of IMers only with few months of experience, next impossible.

        I so far made 2 blog which took me forever and I knew they won't make a dime. If you think about people claming they have a online 'business' what do they mean by that? Like, e.g. I go upto my computer and tell myself, 'alrighty, time to start my own business by reading loads of WSO worth 1000bucks!'. Now what?

        What I'm trying to say is that complete uni, and then spend all ur life masters IMing. That's exactly what I'm planning to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Yeah I agree with everyone else here- college can't teach you this stuff. Even just reading every WSO and post can't teach you everything...

    You have to actually put in the work to figure it out :-p
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Morgan
    Originally Posted by nelsencaleb View Post

    Hey everyone, Caleb here. Decided to do a lot of posting and buying here today for some reason. The buying was a big mistake lol. Except for 1 of my purchases that one was really good.

    Anyways, I'm college-bound next year, yes I'm a senior, I'm really interested in this IMing stuff, can I go to college for this? Learn about this? Or is this considered like an entrepreneur?
    You can stay on this forum for 1 year to learn things.

    This forum can be your equivalent of the IM college.

    You just have to make sure you find the right teachers
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    • Profile picture of the author nelsencaleb
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      Originally Posted by Matt Morgan View Post

      You can stay on this forum for 1 year to learn things.

      This forum can be your equivalent of the IM college.

      You just have to make sure you find the right teachers

      I hope I'm on here for years to come. Love reading just the topic titles in this place lol. Although I mostly surf. Finding the right teacher. That's very hard in my opinion. I have met very few people on the web in my life that are like the actual good guys. I'm just going to throw out some random numbers, none of these are proven statistics, but their my personal statistics lol.%ofGoodGuys=4.8% %ofBadGuys=95.2% those are statistics by nelsen incorporated pm me for a quick quote to see how much it will cost for me to give my statistical information on how many visitors you will get tomorrow and how many of them are guaranteed to buy a product! Just joking.

      Met a good guy today actually. Really looking forward to talking to him a lot lol. I try to associate myself with those people online. Is that the same for you?
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      • Profile picture of the author mrbawb
        To answer your question, I'd say "No you can't learn this stuff in college".

        Most likely if you told your professors what you were doing they'd immediately dismiss it.

        You need to prove it to yourself this works. Then when you get the chance, prove it to your professors with a print out of your earnings stats.

        That'll fry 'em. ;-)
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        • Profile picture of the author Vogin
          Warriors, don't be so hasty with your judgements. I'm on University of Economics and I wanted to do something related to the IM in my bachelor thesis.

          I thought the very idea that something like this exists would shock the teachers, boy I were wrong - the first guy I asked immediately replied that everything I told is 10 years old and I should be more specific.

          I ended up with a second guy (a professor acutally) who by himself offered a thesis "Use of social networking sites to boost up businesses".

          This guy also previously led several IM related works, including the one simply named "SEO - Search Engine Optimization".


          To conclude, several people on colleges may know what's going on, but I highly doubt that there's any course that would teach you this stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author skorpion
    I graduated in college in 2006...worked as an architectural designer during & after college for 5 yrs (what I went to college for) and ultimately drove my self crazy working for someone else.

    No I am a full time IMer and everything I've learned is from youtube, WarriorForum and various other websites all over the web. The web is your free college...if it were me, I wouldn't waste my money on a real college if I could turn back time. All they do is prepare you for a JOB.

    Everything you need to know about IM is right here! Just apply the kowledge, make mistakes, learn from your mistakes and experience success.

    But...to each his own! Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    To learn this stuff in college, there would have to be someone there who actually knew it and could teach it. No, wait-many college courses are taught by people with little understanding of what they are teaching.

    For a course on IM in college to happen a proposal for the course would first have to be drawn up. A faculty member would then present it to the department head who would misunderstand most of what was proposed. He would then redraft the proposal into educationalese to present it to curriculum coordinator who is most likely an individual who began in teaching but hated it so much they found to make even more money by telling others how to teach. The proposal would then be redrafted again and considered for acceptance into the curriculum.

    The problem is that the college would do a search for some associate professor and pay them $80,000 a year to teach kids how to make $80,000 a month in Internet marketing. Hmmmm...

    Now, I'm not saying that college isn't worth it. I, myself, received honors in both Chemistry and Mathematics in my college days and ended up teaching for 14 years.

    But the main reasons we have the college system we have are to support research for our military weapons systems, and to redistribute the wealth of the nation. It's a sneaky thing... you'll understand later in life.

    Like someone said above, this forum is the college for Internet marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

      To learn this stuff in college, there would have to be someone there who actually knew it and could teach it.
      Taking classes in math, physics or engineering at a college certainly isn't going to help.

      HOWEVER, there are colleges, The University of Akron in Akron, OH is one of them, offering degrees in marketing which have emphasis on direct response and INTERNET marketing.

      The University of Akron : The Taylor Institute for Direct Marketing

      The Taylor Institute and in particular the Suarez Laboratory offers students HANDS on training in multi channel marketing and today have experts from the field, who actually do it...as their instructors.

      Almost everyone who comes out of U of A Biz School with this discipline can find an immediate job in the field and, of course, they can be building their own IM biz while getting a degree too.

      gjabiz

      PS. And today, many colleges are offering degrees and education in IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author KrisMainieri
    Oh geez don't get me started on college. At this point... it's basically a hunting license for a JOB.


    You can't hope to create wealth climbing corporate ladders and kissing butt all day.

    I dropped out of highschool once I realized this... best decision of my life.

    6-Figure business online since I got started here at 16
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    • Originally Posted by KrisMainieri View Post

      Oh geez don't get me started on college. At this point... it's basically a hunting license for a JOB.

      You can't hope to create wealth climbing corporate ladders and kissing butt all day.

      I dropped out of highschool once I realized this... best decision of my life.

      6-Figure business online since I got started here at 16
      I TOTALLY relate to this. The only difference is that I realized this AFTER I had finished my business degree and I had already fought the corporate daily battle for a solid 3 years... I wish I had realized years earlier... at any rate, quitting the corporate rat race to go solo was the best move of my life by far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Owen Morgan
    Hey,

    I'm studying Business at University, starting my second year in a week. I'm a full time student but the hours aren't bad so I'v been working on IM around my lectures. I feel uni isn't getting in the way at the moment as a newbie and talking about money is a bigger incentive to succeeding.

    I'm studying Business as a back up to IM.

    Cheers,
    Owen
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      If you want to see what universities are offering, try this:


      - Google Search

      A word of caution: When evaluating what you see, be very wary of any school that is not regionally accredited.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    My opinion goes a little like this.

    YES you can (and should) go to college and learn business, which in turn helps you start a business (which is what this online thing is, after all)

    Specific techniques and methods, however, can really only be learned "as you go", by doing them... so don't expect to go to school and get yourself a degree in "Internet marketing" and come out of the gate making a mint online. That's probably not going to happen.

    The way you learn "internet marketing" is by doing it.

    Stuff changes so fast that by the time specific techniques actually made it into a college class, it would be basically obsolete, for the exception of basic business principles.... which are hugely valuable and will help you immensely.

    No matter what school you go to, college or the "school of hard knocks", you're going to have to "learn by doing" in the "real world" for any of it to actually make sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author KrisMainieri
      Originally Posted by Daryl Lim View Post

      I damn wish I could. Perhaps I should start a College School based on Internet Marketing.
      You can. 30% Of the colleges built in the US were built by 1 dude. And HE never went to College!

      It's a business. Standard education, gets you standard results.

      You're a social TABOO if you dont have a degree hanging on your wall... I say screw it.

      Unless you're going to be a doctor, lawyer or something you LOVE (and wouldnt be able to pursue without a degree), I would say to not go to College.

      For what? "Well rounded education" lol More like a business model ;-)

      Study marketing and do it on a daily basis. I started making more than my teachers at 16... at that point who's more qualified to be teaching?

      If you break it down... college is the place where you get a fancy piece of paper and "experience" (you still start at the bottom anywhere you go.) so you can go to work at a decent job and provide financial security for your family.

      That sounds like a riskier approach to me... I say CREATE YOUR OWN ECONOMY. Go to college if you want a job and want to be told what to do for the rest of your life.
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      • Originally Posted by KrisMainieri View Post

        Standard education, gets you standard results.
        Man, you and I seem to be totally in line in this topic: I have always said that "the beaten path will only get you beaten rewards"

        Originally Posted by KrisMainieri View Post

        Unless you're going to be a doctor, lawyer or something you LOVE (and wouldnt be able to pursue without a degree), I would say to not go to College.

        For what? "Well rounded education" lol

        .......

        If you break it down... college is the place where you get a fancy piece of paper and "experience" (you still start at the bottom anywhere you go.) so you can go to work at a decent job and provide financial security for your family.
        Again, I totally agree. Now a days, college just gets you:
        • A fancy paper certificating that you're officially able to do something (even if you truly don't know squat).
        • Some of the best friends and parties in your life
        Other than that... pretty useless for entrepreneurship-minded people.
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    • Profile picture of the author popzoid
      Try Full Sail University, in Orlando or Winter Haven FL. They are just turning out thier first Bachelors degree students in Internet Marketing. Also, for those of you who are interested there is now a Masters of Internet Marketing Degree offered as well. If you are ok with the corporate grind, the income is well over $100,000/year and if you get in tight with a company you can pretty much write your own check because your activity and performance will be driving their revenue through the roof!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
    For me, I despise the idea of being told what to do... how to do it... and when to do it. I simply can't comprehend that. I was simply not cut out to follow instructions.

    This is one of my major gripes with college, I have no problem with it. It's just that so many people think that it's the only way out of the rat race. The truth is that it will only get you a job, period. Yeah, some life experience may be incurred, but you can always gain it through other means.

    No one way is superior.

    To me, it's like brainwashing us to be like robots. Following and regurgitating instructions and informatin. I dont need a paper to tell me i'm worthy of something.

    I could rant on this for days, but I don't want to piss too many people off lol..

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    • Profile picture of the author KrisMainieri
      Originally Posted by Dean Jackson View Post

      For me, I despise the idea of being told what to do... how to do it... and when to do it. I simply can't comprehend that. I was simply not cut out to follow instructions.

      This is one of my major gripes with college, I have no problem with it. It's just that so many people think that it's the only way out of the rat race. The truth is that it will only get you a job, period. Yeah, some life experience may be incurred, but you can always gain it through other means.

      No one way is superior.

      To me, it's like brainwashing us to be like robots. Following and regurgitating instructions and informatin. I dont need a paper to tell me i'm worthy of something.

      I could rant on this for days, but I don't want to piss too many people off lol..

      - Dean
      God bless you! Lol Refreshing to see someone that hasn't drank the kool-aid!
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
    Originally Posted by nelsencaleb View Post

    Hey everyone, Caleb here. Decided to do a lot of posting and buying here today for some reason. The buying was a big mistake lol. Except for 1 of my purchases that one was really good.

    Anyways, I'm college-bound next year, yes I'm a senior, I'm really interested in this IMing stuff, can I go to college for this? Learn about this? Or is this considered like an entrepreneur?

    You will not learn Internet Marketing in college, as far as I know there are no college courses on it. You can find courses, usually at a secondary or technical college that teach basic things like web design. Though they are VERY basic courses and you will not be able to get a job straight from these classes.

    Internet Marketing is a business and should be treated as one. I am not sure what your major will be but if you can take some business courses, that knowledge will help you manage your entrepreneurial pursuits. Though you do NOT need to go to college to learn this to be successful.

    You have your location as Iowa. I am not sure what part of Iowa you are in but there are quite a few IMers here in the state. In Iowa City, where I am located, there have been some pretty significant businesses launched from here. My current webhost, the guy that started that, launched it straight from here and it is on track to do million dollars plus in revenue.

    There are quite a few entrepreneurs here in Iowa City, not all are doing straight IM related stuff but most use various aspects of IM in their businesses.

    I was in the process of setting up a monthly meeting for people around the area but I got side tracked on a project and haven't thought about it since. Until now. LOL

    I highly suggest getting a mentor or few that you can work with asking questions one on one. I wouldn't go gung ho and get a lot of people into your mastermind but a select few that are doers and actually have track record you can learn from. Use your common sense and don't follow advice blindly, there are many ways to make money and not all methods are built on solid foundations.

    There are many successful people that use the forum as a learning tool, many others not so that spend ALL their time here. Try to shy away from the later. Don't get caught up talking to people all day, spend a greater portion of your time actually doing things in your business. Great to learn and talk shop with others but if that is all you do, nothing gets done.

    Not a lot of seminars in Iowa for IM related stuff, mostly real estate investing, stock market stuff etc... IM, not so much. But there are more IMers in the state than you would think.

    Jason Fladlien is in West Branch or was, I and few others in Iowa City. Des Moines there are some. When I get around to it I was going to advertise and setup a monthly group but am in middle of a project right now.

    - T
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    • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
      Originally Posted by Terry Crim View Post

      You will not learn Internet Marketing in college, as far as I know there are no college courses on it. You can find courses, usually at a secondary or technical college that teach basic things like web design. Though they are VERY basic courses and you will not be able to get a job straight from these classes.

      Internet Marketing is a business and should be treated as one. I am not sure what your major will be but if you can take some business courses, that knowledge will help you manage your entrepreneurial pursuits. Though you do NOT need to go to college to learn this to be successful.

      You have your location as Iowa. I am not sure what part of Iowa you are in but there are quite a few IMers here in the state. In Iowa City, where I am located, there have been some pretty significant businesses launched from here. My current webhost, the guy that started that, launched it straight from here and it is on track to do million dollars plus in revenue.

      There are quite a few entrepreneurs here in Iowa City, not all are doing straight IM related stuff but most use various aspects of IM in their businesses.

      I was in the process of setting up a monthly meeting for people around the area but I got side tracked on a project and haven't thought about it since. Until now. LOL

      I highly suggest getting a mentor or few that you can work with asking questions one on one. I wouldn't go gung ho and get a lot of people into your mastermind but a select few that are doers and actually have track record you can learn from. Use your common sense and don't follow advice blindly, there are many ways to make money and not all methods are built on solid foundations.

      There are many successful people that use the forum as a learning tool, many others not so that spend ALL their time here. Try to shy away from the later. Don't get caught up talking to people all day, spend a greater portion of your time actually doing things in your business. Great to learn and talk shop with others but if that is all you do, nothing gets done.

      Not a lot of seminars in Iowa for IM related stuff, mostly real estate investing, stock market stuff etc... IM, not so much. But there are more IMers in the state than you would think.

      Jason Fladlien is in West Branch or was, I and few others in Iowa City. Des Moines there are some. When I get around to it I was going to advertise and setup a monthly group but am in middle of a project right now.

      - T
      Woot, another Iowa person.

      I went to UofI to get my Bachelors in Nursing, it was only for the money. Trying to find a way to pay for school as well as pay for necessities, I went through a lot of trial and error and by the time I "made it" in IM, I was already graduating and working at a Long Term Care facility right outside of Iowa City for 50k a year. I even took a couple "Marketing" classes, all information I probably learned in about a week online.

      I was a Nurse for a whole 10 months before shifting my focus back to my online businesses.

      If there's any advice I could give someone who has an interest in IM and going to college... Go to college for something that will make you a reliable income as soon as you graduate. Don't risk an investment on something you "like to do" and then hope to get a job when you are out. I'll give you the numbers to a couple hundred art, psych, English lit, history, etc majors who will tell you "I should have majored in _______ and then studied art." I know that seems really sad, it almost negates what college is for. If my online businesses just fall apart one day, I could always go back and get a job, and that's a good feeling. I think this feeling of confidence is what has brought me into the six digit income range within such a short amount of time.
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    You can take online courses in IM. No need to pay any university thousands of dollars when you can do that online for cheaper...
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  • Profile picture of the author tht222
    The IMing stuff is basically a whole World - you can make your living online by programming for other people, programming scripts/software and selling it, writing text for other people, building sites, designing, you name it... You should decide in which direction you want to go and then see what college has to offer. On another forum, there's a guy who did a course (something to do with search engines) in college and is doing really well, but there’s no guarantee either way and it’s basically up to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    One of the best things about college is it teaches you how to study and learn - a process you will use to help get ahead during the rest of your life.

    Many (if not most) students change majors during college, and most people wind up working in some field other than the one for which they attended college. This also applies to those of us who are self-employed.

    Internet marketing is a form of direct marketing - also called direct response marketing. The University of Akron - Ohio - has an entire school devoted to direct marketing, and that department is underwritten by some heavy hitters like Ben Suarez.

    Whatever you learn about direct marketing will apply to IM. The internet is simply one medium from which to deliver your sales messages.

    Knowing how to continue to self-learn is the most important skill you can have and depends upon how self-motivated you are.

    When I think back to the beginning of my college days, computers were room-size contraptions with vacuum tubes, and all input/out was done with punch cards. By the end of my college years teletype printers/keyboards were attached to computers, but no monitors!

    When I think about myself and five friends who all met freshman year in high school (50 years ago), three of us have been financially successful, while the other three have not.

    College degrees had nothing to do with it. The key was to become business owners rather than become employees. Of the three who have not been financially successful, two have masters degrees.

    If I had to do it all over again would I go to college. Yes, absolutely, even though there were no colleges offering direct marketing degrees back then. And besides, college is where I met my wife.

    :-Don
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  • Profile picture of the author funkynassau
    Yes you can go to college for this. My son is taking biz marketing in college here in Ontario and this semester is all about web marketing, web design, global marketing, etc. and he's loving it!
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  • Profile picture of the author KrisMainieri
    Also, I think going to College for the sole purpose of having it as a backup plan is ridiculous.

    In 1519, Capitan Hernando Cortes and a small army left Cuba and set out to conquer Central America. Cortes was going to accomplish his goals, no matter the consequences. The story states that once Cortes' troops landed in what is now Mexico, he ordered the ships destroyed by fire.

    In burning his ships, Cortes took away all options to retreat and, I am sure, got the full buy-in from his troops to make it a successful campaign. They had no choice. Either drown in the sea or conquer this new world.

    Do you allow "what-if" scenarios to dominate your thinking?

    By committing 100% to them, your higher mind will be able to work far more efficiently in helping you to figure out the rest. A lack of commitment not only creates apathy, but it is emotionally draining and erodes your creativity. Without a clear commitment, you will be defeated even before you start.

    Burn the boats.
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  • Profile picture of the author Owen Smith
    Peter Joens from Dragons Den in the UK has started his own course which would have helped me!
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  • Profile picture of the author nelsencaleb
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    Drop out @16 to 6 figures? Nice. Maybe the government needs to drop out of what they're doing and come dominate the IM to pay themselves back. Nice to see a lot of people in Iowa. I live in Jefferson. I think thats like 4 hours from Iowa City. I'm like 30 minutes from Carroll Iowa and 45-1 hour from des moines. Depends on traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerdrun
    Originally Posted by nelsencaleb View Post

    Hey everyone, Caleb here. Decided to do a lot of posting and buying here today for some reason. The buying was a big mistake lol. Except for 1 of my purchases that one was really good.

    Anyways, I'm college-bound next year, yes I'm a senior, I'm really interested in this IMing stuff, can I go to college for this? Learn about this? Or is this considered like an entrepreneur?
    No college for this... there are two colleges who teach this... but it's all bull. this is something you gotta learn by yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
      Originally Posted by tylerdrun View Post

      No college for this... there are two colleges who teach this... but it's all bull. this is something you gotta learn by yourself.
      Just shows us, anyone can post and say whatever he wants.

      tylerdrun, you are BULL.

      Maybe.

      Because I don't KNOW what "this" is when you say, "this is something you gotta learn by yourself"...

      I can only assume you mean Internet Marketing is the "this".

      And if it is the "this" in your response, then, I'm afraid it is an UNEDUCATED response and simply put, is BULL.

      If the OP were to go to the U. of Akron for the next four years, he would have hands on experience in areas of IM you can only dream about.

      The resources offered can help him to get a firm grip on marketing in general and in IM in specific in ways that no amount of "self education" can do.

      So, again, we see that anyone with an opinion can voice it, as you have done...but, it is just so much more noise on the forum and a response I couldn't resist.

      You Sir, don't know what the hell you're talking about.

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        • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Any direct IM links to U. Akron?

          Thanks,
          IM means Internet Marketing. Yes?

          That is how I used it. Internet Marketing has to do with "Marketing" on the Internet, right?

          BUT, for some of you, it is a "code" and means something entirely different. For YOU it means CPA, Squeeze Pages, Product Launches, etc.

          I assure you THAT part of Internet Marketing is readily available here as well as other forums and places.

          What a University Educated Internet Marketer will have is a FOUNDATION on which to build and when in a LABORATORY that gives clear, unbiased and UNopinionated data, the student is able to make "informed decisions" on what elements of his "PERSONAL" (as someone has called it) Internet Marketing, he is better equipped to handle it.

          I'm going to give you some links, but let's get back to the OP. A senior in high school who wants to know if IM can be learned in college. And he's gotten a lot of OPINION about the value of a college education and some downright, in my OPINION, bad advice from people who say, NO, you gotta learn it on your own.

          There are things this young man could learn at a place like Akron U which he could never learn on his own...and I'll give you a specific example.

          euseability and more specifically EYE TRACKING studies coupled with Cognitive Research (which is at once a very exciting concept and somewhat terrifying one too)...

          It is just something he can't "learn on his own".

          Do you know how your visitor reads or scans YOUR website? AND do you know what reactions they are getting?

          YOU can't know unless you are using a device to track the eyes and record physiological changes.

          Instead of doing a "survey" of questions to your prospect, how about an on the spot survey backed with the data from their Internet experiences?

          Which one do you think is going to be of more benefit to our young IM student;

          The OPINIONS of a bunch of people who have conflicting, and all too often, BIASED views or the hard data one gets from a laboratory experience which will teach him how to best optimize his websites or how to construct a sales letter, etc?

          Like all curriculums, when you get to the upper class level, you pick and choose your electives and at that point this young man could custom create anything he needs to learn and it IS indeed taught by both folks who are professional educators, but almost all have or have extensive business backgrounds along with companies who are doing millions of dollars of business with their Internet Marketing efforts.

          And he could find out what really works and apply that to his own efforts too. A smart young man like this one could easily hook up with other students who are involved in IM and be light years ahead of the "do it yourselfers".

          By the time he graduates, he could have a substantial IM business and do so in the length of time so many wounded and wistful warriors have spent chasing the IM dream by doing everything themselves. Just read the forum every day, guys who have spent thousands and have gotten NO where.

          Those thousands of dollars could have been used to get themselves an education and they could have surrounded themselves with DOERS and IM Brothers and Sisters who will be the future leaders of IM.

          Anyhow,

          Here is a link to the general curriculum

          The University of Akron : Program Details Programs&crumbTitle=E-Marketing and Advertising

          And here is a link to the Laboratory. Read it carefully.

          The University of Akron : Suarez Applied Marketing Research Laboratories

          ALSO, since I've used the facilities, attended both ribbon cutting and dedication ceremonies for the Taylor Institute and the Suarez Labs, I know the professors and instructors have REAL LIFE from the business trenches (NOT the trenches of academia) and are UP to date and "state of the art" when it comes to IM.

          One LAST point. Several of these instructors ARE successful IMer's and a few are even of the "rich" variety. I don't know why some of you think that once a person reaches a certain income level, they, what???, automatically stop working or doing?

          Teaching is NOT the low paying inglorious profession some of you think it is.

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  • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
    If they knew Internet Marketing as the "teachers" do,
    they would be too rich to remain there,

    But seriously, college is important. You learn far more
    than just how to make money. I know I did,

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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    The problem with taking a course in college for this (which is still very much a rarity) is that a lot of what you'll be learning is theory, and perhaps the professors were involved in internet marketing once, but are they currently in the trenches doing what they teach? It requires time and money to set up a viable business on the internet - how on earth are they going to actually teach you that knowledge and have you apply it within a few months?? Furthermore, since most college curriculum is geared towards preparing you for a job, chances are high that these internet marketing courses are geared mainly towards marketing for big corporations - this has VERY little bearing on setting up your very own personal IM business!
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt MacPherson
    I started Internet Marketing the summer between first year college and second year. That was a good summer. That was the summer I started making money online.

    I was actually going to college for just plain "Marketing" at the time. Deep down I knew I wasn't cut out to follow orders. I had a burning desire to *create* something on my own. Something I could say I *owned*. I came to the early realization I could never attain that satisfaction while working for somebody else.

    Surprisingly, though I dabbled in web design, photoshop, creative writing and creating viral websites, it never occurred to me I could actually make money doing those things until I was 22 years old.

    I never went back for 2nd year. I was able to become successful within about 3 months. And by successful I mean 6 figures a year.

    I'm 25 now and have been doing this for 3 years. I've grown my business every year since then.

    You don't have to go to college man.

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    • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
      As others have stated, you'll find it challenging at the very least to find good educational training in IM at college. For that, places like the Warrior Forum and the War Room are invaluable.

      As for the value of a college education itself, some have knocked it, as is their right, and some have praised it, as is their right, too. I must admit, I went to college so long ago, that one of my classmates was Wilma Slaghoople before she became Wilma Flintstone.

      However, I can state that college will force you to develop strong study and research habits, it will expose you to a lot of different disciplines, and unless you stay in your cave the entire time, you can form a lot of friendships that you can take with you into an adult business life if you so choose. At the least, you can grow your networking skills and use them both on and offline.

      What would I do? Do 'em both. Go to college and learn and do IM on the side. In my college days there was no Internet, there were no personal computers, but boy do I wish there had been. If there had, and I had not been such a dedicated party animal, I would have followed the advice I've just handed out.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        It's kind of funny, really...

        Every time someone posts about going to college, the same crowd comes out with the same cliches.

        "College just teaches you how to get a job."

        "College is a waste of time."

        "I can learn everything I need by Googling and trial and error."

        One of my favorites is:

        "I never went/dropped out and I still made something of myself, so you shouldn't go either."

        You folks are certainly entitled to your opinions, but realize that they are uninformed opinions. By definition, you can't know what you are talking about.

        Caleb, if designing airplanes turns you on, go for it. If you want classes that will actually help you in a business of your own, make sure you get electives in accounting, statistics, testing methodology, communication and psychology.

        Engineering will teach you a ton about creating systems and feedback loops, as well as how to collaborate on projects.

        Take in the information offered, digest it, then follow your heart.
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  • Profile picture of the author popzoid
    Yes you can. Full Sail University (known as the top film school in the world and has also taken on providing education in the business side of film production) does offer a Bachelors of Science in Internet Marketing! They now also offer a Masters degree in Internet Marketing.
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    I need some help... I just graduated Summa Cum Laude with a BS in entrepreneurship and small business. I have been accepted in a Masters program for Internet Marketing- this has been my real focus and interest as I have been looking into what kind of business to be in. The deal is no one will hire me because I have no experience and an internship is not economically feasible at this time. How do I "break in" to the internet marketing field t the corporate level misrepresenting myself? :confused: As far as experience goes, I have none in the IM field at my current job. I have a great interest in IM and have been doing self study for a year or so, but alas, I have no work experience.
    Any suggestions on how I can break into the field? My masters program will be complete one year from now.
    Thanks in advance for any input.
    Thom
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    I am so glad I found this forum. I have learned so much and it all looks like it is credible info.
    thanx
    thom
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