Does changing your download url help with report thieves?

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I see 3 possibilities here, because people are constantly sharing reports...

maybe this wont work but I would like to get opinions.

a: Change the URL to the download page once per week.
b: Start chargin such a high price that people wont buy it for the sake of sharing... (then later ask for refund...)
c: Start filling your reports with affiliate links , then you will be happy that people are sharing them?

What do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Lange
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    I see 3 possibilities here, because people are constantly sharing reports...

    maybe this wont work but I would like to get opinions.

    a: Change the URL to the download page once per week.
    b: Start chargin such a high price that people wont buy it for the sake of sharing... (then later ask for refund...)
    c: Start filling your reports with affiliate links , then you will be happy that people are sharing them?

    What do you think?
    I like "C" the best...hehehe
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    John,

    a: Change the URL to the download page once per week.
    b: Start chargin such a high price that people wont buy it for the sake of sharing... (then later ask for refund...)
    c: Start filling your reports with affiliate links , then you will be happy that people are sharing them?
    I've reported piracy of you before.. .. I usually try to change the DL links every week... But now I have 200+ customers on some products, I don't change anymore. I find it keeps the dl sites down actually.. If there's a live link they stop posting and it will be on page 10 of there stupid sites, and nobody will notice in anyw ay.


    On the other hand, I'm considering moving to memberships so people stop stealing from me.

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    • Profile picture of the author RemingtonSteele
      Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

      On the other hand, I'm considering moving to memberships so people stop stealing from me.
      The membership model doesn't stop people from stealing your content and products. Even if you put up some kind of copy protection that disables the selection of text, it doesn't stop someone from taking screen shots. You can also spend a lot of time and money "preventing" your videos from being downloaded, but all one has to do is sit there with a video capture program and record the video as it plays in the browser.
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  • Profile picture of the author magicmarcus
    depending on the value of the reports you can use C.

    or setup amember on your site and use that to sell your reports in a members only area.

    then they will have to login to see them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chucksta
    I use option C, and it works very well. And make it clear that if they like the product and would like to see more than make use of the links to ensure the development of current and future products.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      The only thing that I know that helps for sure is not unbeatable...

      The best thing to do is temporary download urls, but this only prevents someone from handing out the download link...

      Once someone has downloaded your report, what is more likely is for the person to upload it to a BH website to give away...

      Once into the wild of the BH and download sites, it is hard to regulate unless you have a password on the report that is checked by software on your website...

      If the report will phone home and check the password real-time, then you can see if more than one IP is used to access a report, and shut down any copy of the report that has too many IP's within a certain window of time...

      The software must consider the possibility of dynamic IP addresses like an ISP or AOL, but a single individual will probably open the report once or twice in 24 hours, whereas any report that is downloaded by say 5 IP's in 24 hours can legitimately be considered "compromised"...

      Once a password has been "compromised", the password should be disabled at the server...

      All systems have positives and negatives, but in the end, the latter is the only sure fire approach to protecting a report, but I am not even sure you could run a protection system of that type with a pdf file...
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  • Profile picture of the author MilesT
    E: Launch more products.

    Its like the porn industry. They really don't care who steals it because they will always have something new for the consumer to buy into.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Thanks guys for all the great advice. If I didnt thank you its because I get the feeling sometimes that I overuse the thanks button... cant help it theres so much great stuff... screw it. I am gonna thank everyone anyway, because I really needed this advice and it was all great.

    I know the best idea to relieve any stress is to blow it off, but this isnt as much about stress as it is... "If someone is gonna give away my product I want it to be ME".

    Anyway, i have decided, and met with another warrior yesterday about doing option "C" I am going to start turning reports into PLR after they die down and the black hatters have cheapened their value, and fill them with links to other great resources.

    Kahlil Gibran (sorry have to do it) says in the prophet this "I will give while the season of giving is still mine, for one day all that I have shall be given into the hands of others..."

    If you are gonna have to let it go someday anyway, you might as well enjoy the pleasure of being the santa clause and giving it where you see fit.

    If these jerks are gonna give my stuff away to 1,000 people I am going to beat them to the punch and give it away to 10,000.

    After much thought and after considering the responses here and some other wise warrior counsil, I am gonna go with "C".

    Thanks fellow warriors, always great advice. What a great place to be a part of!
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    • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Thanks guys for all the great advice. If I didnt thank you its because I get the feeling sometimes that I overuse the thanks button... cant help it theres so much great stuff... screw it. I am gonna thank everyone anyway, because I really needed this advice and it was all great.

      I know the best idea to relieve any stress is to blow it off, but this isnt as much about stress as it is... "If someone is gonna give away my product I want it to be ME".

      Anyway, i have decided, and met with another warrior yesterday about doing option "C" I am going to start turning reports into PLR after they die down and the black hatters have cheapened their value, and fill them with links to other great resources.

      Kahlil Gibran (sorry have to do it) says in the prophet this "I will give while the season of giving is still mine, for one day all that I have shall be given into the hands of others..."

      If you are gonna have to let it go someday anyway, you might as well enjoy the pleasure of being the santa clause and giving it where you see fit.

      If these jerks are gonna give my stuff away to 1,000 people I am going to beat them to the punch and give it away to 10,000.

      After much thought and after considering the responses here and some other wise warrior counsil, I am gonna go with "C".

      Thanks fellow warriors, always great advice. What a great place to be a part of!
      John,

      It's a nice idea.. I'm thinking of going with DLGuard to lighten the load from the blackhatters.

      What do you think?

      Caleb
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    • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
      The challenge with filling your reports with affiliate links
      is that you may be perceived by some of your actual
      paying customers as having a hidden agenda.

      The people who rip-off your report won't pay for it and
      will unlikely pay for the affiliate stuff either -especially
      if those are infoproducts too.

      Personally, I use DLGuard to securely protect all of my
      download links:

      http://www.dlguard.com (no affil.)

      All of my downloads get placed in a non-web accessible
      folder
      that cannot be accessed over the Internet unless
      someone has paid via DLGuard.

      That said, someone can still buy the report and then share
      the PDF afterwards if they wish. It's a losing battle to try
      to put a stop to that.

      However, don't worry about it. At some stage the report
      is going to get ripped off. It's an unsavory part of this
      business.

      Focus on serving your paying customers to the best of
      your abilities rather than creating strategies to pander
      to people who haven't even paid you and likely never
      will.

      Dedicated to your success,

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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    a) Use DL Guard then you don't have to worry about that.

    b) If they are going to get a refund anyway, price isn't necessarily going to be a big factor. In fact, a high price may make it more likely that someone might want to share it, in order to "help the little guys" that can't afford the price.

    c) Yes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

      a) Use DL Guard then you don't have to worry about that.

      b) If they are going to get a refund anyway, price isn't necessarily going to be a big factor. In fact, a high price may make it more likely that someone might want to share it, in order to "help the little guys" that can't afford the price.

      c) Yes.
      Yesterday, I made it to the pay now page on paypal for dlguard... Then I left.. $150 isn't that much, just trying to justify the expense.

      Does anyone know how the BUY BUTTONS work for WSO, since you have to convert the HTML to BB Code.

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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

        Yesterday, I made it to the pay now page on paypal for dlguard... Then I left.. $150 isn't that much, just trying to justify the expense.
        You get two copies for that though, so it's really more like $75 each.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I just bought wso pro but if Im correct that just good for advertising on the wf, or maybe I dont understand the difference the type of products they are. Im kind of new at report writing.

    You have mentioned this before Caleb. Me thinks there must be a reason you believe in it so strongly. You have never included a link with your advice.

    I had better listen and get busy studying that product. Thanks.

    ps. Thanks Dan. I consider your wisdom worthwhile as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    Playing around with DLG now

    Awesomeness

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  • Profile picture of the author kenetra
    What I do is just lock my products that I don't want stolen and the user has to register a valid email address to unlock the product so this builds my list even if it is stolen.

    But also there's software whereby you can protect the download all together where the IP and payment have to match within your pay processor for the user to be able to download. Even if they shared the link it would not work for the next person. PM me if you're interested in the software.

    Honestly I create most of my stuff whereby if its stolen it still benefits me either by building my list.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hi all,

    There is more to e-junkie than meets the eye. Study it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jacer
        Expiring download links seem to work really well.

        I do like option C too.
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  • Profile picture of the author darrinmcl
    DLguard doess all of it. Wouldn't be in business without it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Another vote for DLGuard here. Plus the owner and developer, Sam Stephens, is a fellow warrior and a good guy.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Another vote for DLGuard here. Plus the owner and developer, Sam Stephens, is a fellow warrior and a good guy.

      There's a man (Dennis) who's opinion you can trust!!!
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