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I'm An extremely talented creative writer.. I'm not sure how creative aspect of writing translates in IM but as far as metaphors and poetic devices and narration & things of that nature I'm real good. but I have the impression that the business end of writing is typically not focused on the creative side... could be wrong though. But what role does writing play in IM and how can I start making money off my talent asap?

And Sorry if this is thread is redundant or this is a newbie question, I used the search feature, but I just feel way more comfortable asking the question instead of searching out the answer by looking through a million threads that may or may not be relevant to my question.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThisIzFifty
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  • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
    Depends on the niche, I think. Business topics would probably want more of a formal tone, but if you're writing is directed at moms, for example, then a little creativity would probably make your content more appealing to the readers.

    You can set up a free account on Elance, and get 10 free connects a month, which will allow you to bid on at least a few jobs. Search for writing jobs that might benefit from a little creative flair.

    Just my thoughts. Good luck. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Nikki
    Hi,

    There are many posts/threads here relating to writing. So, I think if you really want to get into earning money from writing, it will be worth your while to invest some time reading through these.

    To answer your question:

    Yes, it is very possible to earn a good income online from writing.

    I understand that you're more into creative writing. But I believe that you can also do business writing or IM writing - you can easily learn that style of writing. This should be easy since you said you are good at creative writing. If you're committed enough - you can do it. Just look at excellent examples of business writing to see the style of writing.

    Writing in the IM niche can be very competitive, with many writers charging very low rates. But, still, if you establish your reputation, like here on WF, you will be able to get some regular writing jobs.

    If you are really interested in writing as a business, I would suggest you get into business writing. There are many clients out there looking for professional writing services. You need to have a professional website, do some SEO work and drive traffic to your site. You will have clients from the business/corporate niche coming to you for your services. And the best part is, these type of clients pay very well for writing services.

    I hope this helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author Nikki
      Another point to note is "business writing" is so diverse, meaning there are many sub-niches or categories: web content writing / copywriting, business documents writing, article writing, press release writing, editing services, marketing materials writing, technical writing ..... so you can offer these or pick the ones you are comfortable with.

      The quality of your work will need to be top-notch: so you must be an avid researcher.

      Yes, business writing is generally more formal than other types of writing. But, this really depends on the topic. Style and "personality" behind the wriing also counts, and I think your creative writing skills can help on this.

      Hope this helps.

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  • Profile picture of the author ThisIzFifty
    ok thanks for the responses...

    is there any more say.. "instant gratification" ways to approach this?

    like how can I jump into this & start making money & as a newbie what kind of money should I expect to make? You said its competitive & writers have low rates... whats your definition of "low"?
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    • Originally Posted by ThisIzFifty View Post

      ok thanks for the responses...

      is there any more say.. "instant gratification" ways to approach this?

      like how can I jump into this & start making money & as a newbie what kind of money should I expect to make? You said its competitive & writers have low rates... whats your definition of "low"?
      Where are you based? What industry is your highest level of experience and knowledge? Do you know softsell marketing writing (writing without sounding like selling but closing the sale for you nonetheless)?
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  • Profile picture of the author ThisIzFifty
    I'm In Florida, I'm pretty much entry level & that would entail writing from a seemingly objective point of view while somewhat subliminally pitching a product? (Ie. Like reviewing an affiliate product than providing a link to buy it) I have no experience, but I'm confident that I can do it pretty effectively.
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    • Originally Posted by ThisIzFifty View Post

      I'm In Florida, I'm pretty much entry level & that would entail writing from a seemingly objective point of view while somewhat subliminally pitching a product? (Ie. Like reviewing an affiliate product than providing a link to buy it) I have no experience, but I'm confident that I can do it pretty effectively.
      Do you have friends who know people in companies, corporations, businesses, individual marketers, professionals, etc. in Florida?
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  • Profile picture of the author ThisIzFifty
    bumping again
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  • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
    It's competitive for writers, and there's no set amount that writers get paid. Some people offer their services for $5, others for $15, and others for more. Depends on how well you research and write, what experience you've got to offer, and what you want to charge for your services. Your hourly rate will depend on how much you charge per article, and how many you can write in an hour.

    Instant gratification; you could put up a warrior special offer and offer article writing services, but to do that you'd need to join the war room ($37) and pay for the listing ($40). You may want to offer one or two articles to get feedback. That will leave you in the red to start with.

    Here's some writing jobs on craigslist in florida - south florida writing/editing jobs classifieds - craigslist

    This site also has a jobs board - Writing Gigs : Freelance Writing Jobs | A Freelance Writing Community and Freelance Writing Jobs Resource
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
    Hi ThisIzFifty

    Originally Posted by ThisIzFifty View Post

    I'm An extremely talented creative writer.. I'm not sure how creative aspect of writing translates in IM but as far as metaphors and poetic devices and narration & things of that nature I'm real good. but I have the impression that the business end of writing is typically not focused on the creative side... could be wrong though. But what role does writing play in IM and how can I start making money off my talent asap?
    As I offer copywriting coaching, I may be totally biased... but you might enjoy (and make money from)... copywriting

    But I am actually serious. I have an entire module for my students devoted to storytelling and metaphors, because these things play an important part in copywriting.

    Metaphors and analogies can be great teaching devices, and stories are ways of capturing the attention and imagination of our audience, as well as teaching devices.

    The only drawback with writing for others, is that you're telling THEIR stories, rather than your own.

    That's why I think the best combination for you is COPYWRITING combined with creating your own products (and writing the sales letters and presell material yourself.)

    That way you can tell your OWN stories, in the way you like ... subject to being able to entertain your audience, and keep their attention
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  • Profile picture of the author ThisIzFifty
    ^ interesting.

    I'm fairly new to this so excuse the ignorance, but can you get a lil more in depth about copywriting... how does work in marketing? what do you do?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
      Hi ThisIzFifty

      Originally Posted by ThisIzFifty View Post

      I'm fairly new to this so excuse the ignorance, but can you get a lil more in depth about copywriting... how does work in marketing? what do you do?
      Sure, no problem.

      "Copywriting" in the marketing sense refers to writing sales material - sales letters (both online, as in those sales pages that pitch a product, and offline in the form of mail pieces), adverts, and email messages (not the spam ones, though).

      A good copywriter can charge anywhere between $500 and $5,000 or more for a sales letter, depending on their skills and ability to sell themselves

      Copywriting is probably the most lucrative way of writing in business terms... apart from creating your own products

      P.S: I wouldn't recommend just bumping your thread with "bump"... that will probably get it deleted by the mods.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThisIzFifty
    hmmm.. that sounds interesting... sounds like something thats deff. in my lane, I think Im going to have to do some research on that.. thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vishal Mahadik
    Ok if you are real good at using metaphors and poetic language then you can use your talent in writing essays or poems online. There are several writing jobs available on different freelance writing websites related to your skills.

    If you want to venture into IM field then I doubt there is much use of poetic language. Ok you can use them to some limited extent but full fledged use is not that much effective when it comes to write articles and other content for Internet Marketing.

    Here the simple and reader targeted content rules. You need to be as simple as possible in your presentation when it comes to write content for IM.

    You have to really make your point understood by the mass audience. This is what the real need for IM content is. Just focus on creating simple but effective content which contains simple language and focused explanation regarding your niche.

    Understand the real problems and write the content solving that problem for people in need. That's it. You just have to focus on this part to become successful writer in IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
    I actually coach people to do exactly what you're looking for - at least to get started.

    Have you ever heard of Associated Content? That's where I have all my newbies start writing. Then I teach them how to progress to better-paying companies that offer more writing assignments.

    If you write at these places, you won't exactly be "marketing" as many here do, but you would be making at least part-time money online (Generally up to $1500 a month part-time).

    If you have any specific questions, just send me a personal message. It looks like you have enough posts that you can do that if you'd like to.

    Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Williams
      I think that if you write good, and if you`re creative, you can make good money. To see what people offer, just go to the "Warriors for Hire" section of this forum - you`ll see some people write for $4 per article, and others charge up to $30 for a similar "amount" of content. If you read their posts, you`ll see why Their threads ("sales letters"), and the examples provided show their skills - read those and see if you could do that.

      And if you could, my advice would be to start here at WF - "Warriors for hire". Yes it costs some money, but after a few review copies, and if you`re good, you`ll get recommendations and will have orders. Plus, most people, when they like the quality, stay for a long time.
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  • Profile picture of the author skoh
    I'm studying both Article writing and Copywriting. They are both very interesting and who knows maybe someday you can write for your own products

    Look into John Carlton, but you didn't hear that from me.
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  • Profile picture of the author computerfan
    As everybody is suggesting, there are lots of sites that could pay you for your writing skills. ODesk is another place, people are looking for anything and everything. Go to fiverr.com where people are always looking for a writer for 5 bucks. hope that helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
      Well, here's the advice I gave someone else, because I'm lazy and didn 't want to type it again:

      If you want to make money writing, here's what you do:

      1. Get good at writing. Now, you appear to have the goods on grammar and what not, judging from your posts, but it's also necessary to understand how to structure an article, understand what clients are looking for, and how to get clicks.

      2. Get some samples and some reviews, if possible.

      3. Sell yourself and what you can do for your client. I don't write articles for people to use as backlink fodder, and I charge accordingly, and I make it very clear that is why I charge what I do. Feel free to click my sig and look at my Warrior Ad - it's made me thousands this year.

      (This part is specific to you) Now, if you're a good creative writer you can make that a selling point - one of my is that I have a distinct voice, and my work is usually not dry or formal. This isn't necessarily appropriate for everything, but I've gotten a lot of work because people wanted exactly that.

      So if you're a creative storyteller, make that what you offer. I'm sure there are probably loads of people that could use someone who can tell a story in five hundred words or so that sells a product. It's a great talent, for instance, for someone writing reviews.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        bumping again
        Don't do that - not an acceptable practice here.


        If you want to write in the creative area - sign up for elance and guru.com (paid subscriptions but inexpensive).

        I see requests for creative writing on those sites frequently and you can bid on work. Payment usually goes into escrow when you start the work and is paid quickly once the job is complete.

        That's more lucrative than trying to write in the IM arena as a newbie.

        Go to elance, for example, and browse through the jobs posted for "ebooks" and "creative writing". Lots of work there and you don't face competing with $3/article writers you find in the IM article world.

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        • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
          2 main broad areas for writers in IM

          1. Copywriting - basically ad writing, this is more than 50% understanding the 'psychology' behind desire for a given product, then being able to clearly and yes, creatively communicate that to the market

          2. Product creation - finding a desire within a given market for information, targeting a product to meet that desire and either selling it yourself as digital or physical product or working on contract basis as ghostwriter or developing PLR

          Either direction can be very lucrative -- I favor product creation myself simply because having an in-demand product to sell can be leveraged so many ways (having others sell it for you - affiliates) - write it once and sell it for months and years later whereas copywriting is on a project-by-project basis, at least until you get enough of a reputation where you can charge a % of profit.

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  • Profile picture of the author skoh
    John says in one of his seminars, "copywriting is a blind piece of marketing" and for that reason he encourages people regardless of gender and even your level of English to do copy; he then says your copy is as good as your salesmanship that comes across.

    P.S i've heard many of times that creativity is not what makes copy or article writing. So don't limit yourself to thinking you have to be "creative" to do either or.


    BRB doing more copy
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Pettit
    There is a complete copywriting section here in the warrior forum...check it out
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    • Profile picture of the author keith88
      I believe elance should be your best friend. Also any other sites just like elance, you could make a nice amount of money with freelance jobs. You could also set up a good business posting in the warriors for hire section. But I believe you will have to be more on the persuasive side to be a copywriter and just churn out unique ideas to be an article writer. You can do it though!
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