I Want To Learn To Make Websites

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Hey guys,

I feel that I am personally lacking in the technical end of IM. I don't know how to make websites, squeeze pages, thank you pages, etc...

This for me is the missing link. I own XSitePro2, but have found it to be a little "buggy" and a huge learning curve. (They have just updated XSP with some major fixes, but I haven't tested it out yet.)

I'm sure traditional web design's learning curve is just as hard, but I think I would be best served to learn these skills (HTML, etc...) to make my online business really fly.

My question is, where would you suggest I go to find this training/learning?

What resourses would you guide me to? I need to get up and running with this.

Also, how long, realistically, would you estimate the average person would need before they would have enough training/be competent enough to get some websites made?

Any advise would be appriciated.

Thank you,

Adam
#learn #make #websites
  • Profile picture of the author vtte
    I found that the best way to familiarize myself to being a webmaster was to go out and experience being one and learn for myself. You may want to start off with CMS (Content Management Systems) which are both free and easy to use. Popular ones include Wordpress which is a blogging tool and Joomla (which can be used effectively for e-Commerce).

    Both of these will give you the experience of managing the basics such as databses, coding edits, configurations, working with web hosts / servers and the such.
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    • Profile picture of the author ss442
      Hi Adam, I've had trouble with the same thing but I finally got a squeeze page up with Blinkweb. You can build a site and it will be hosted all for free.

      This can help you get something up fairly quickly while you learn to build a site. I tried Sitebuildit (almost $300) for a year and I thought I was going to need "anger management" treatment before I destroyed my computer.

      Now I have Hostmonster and I am using NVU as an editor with Filezilla for an FTP program. I still don't don't have it all together yet but, if you don' try you are guranteed failure.
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      • Profile picture of the author ss442
        Adam, James post is right. Search engines like "clean" code when they crawl your sites and sites like Blinkweb are the "what you see is what you get" type of site builder. They have a lot of extra code for the site construction process.
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        • Profile picture of the author ss442
          I am glad Adam started this thread, I am picking up some good stuff too. Thanks guys.
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      • Profile picture of the author spriyada
        Originally Posted by ss442 View Post

        Hi Adam, I've had trouble with the same thing but I finally got a squeeze page up with Blinkweb. You can build a site and it will be hosted all for free.

        This can help you get something up fairly quickly while you learn to build a site. I tried Sitebuildit (almost $300) for a year and I thought I was going to need "anger management" treatment before I destroyed my computer.

        Now I have Hostmonster and I am using NVU as an editor with Filezilla for an FTP program. I still don't don't have it all together yet but, if you don' try you are guranteed failure.
        Hi,
        I agree with ss442. I have been using Blinkweb for a little while now and it is really great. And it is free so you got nothing to lose.
        Another site similar to Blinkweb is SynthaSite. Its also free and has similar features. There are some differences and of course different templates.

        Hope this helps,
        Shreya
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        • Profile picture of the author dageniusmarketer
          to be more than quite frank with you, being an expert webmaster is nothing you can just "jump" into. It takes alot of study, reading, and practice. And then after that, you have to decide if you want to be either a designer, or a programmer, or if you want to be both.

          If you want to be just a designer, than spend as much time as possible learning what i believe to be the gold standard of design tools, the adobe suite.

          If you want to be a programmer, you have to decide what languages you want to learn (php, asp, coldfusion, java, javascript, c, c++, etc.).....then you have datatbase development (mysql, access, etc.) design language such as css.....

          these are just the tips of the iceberg. Understand,it takes alot of time and dedication to become proficient in these things as i can say ive been at this kind of stuff for 8+ years. And what im saying just talks about the skills portion of the business, not even the creativity factor and advanced techniques. Dont think you can just sit down with an ebook and become a web development guru overnight.

          If you want to keep your life simple, and are out trying to make money, you're probably better off going with wordpress or blogger templates, or using weebly, and whatever custom stuff you want built for it that dont already exist, then you outsource.

          Thats my advice to you my friend
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  • Profile picture of the author getsmartt
    Adam,

    To answer your questions, there are a ton of free resources out there, Google is your best friend. You can gain the basics of HTML/Xhtml/CSS in a matter of hours and spend the better part of your life mastering it.
    I highly recommend you take a look at the resources at
    W3Schools Online Web Tutorials
    Learn HTML and CSS - Use our free tutorials - Build your own website | HTML.net
    HTML Code Tutorial - Free Reference Guide for Help with HTML Tags Including Form, Frames, Tables, and more!
    Stylesheets | CSS: cascading style sheets tutorials and style guide || HTMLSource ]

    But most of all once you start learning a little bit, view the source of some sites you like and take a look at how they put them together.

    Like most other thing the easiest way to lean is to jump in and start doing it.

    If you really want to learn stay away from all of the CMS systems and WYSIWYG program, learn to hand code!
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    • Profile picture of the author doomer
      Originally Posted by getsmartt View Post

      If you really want to learn stay away from all of the CMS systems and WYSIWYG program, learn to hand code!
      I second this. Photoshop + Dreamweaver (code by hand, use preview functionality) is the most popular way. It's not terribly complex, but it will take a while and many trips to w3schools to be able to build a site from scratch. You dont need to buy anything as far as learning, all the information is out there and freely available.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayhew
    2 great free places to learn to build sites.
    W3Schools Online Web Tutorials
    Tutorials - Site Map - Pixel2Life
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  • Profile picture of the author teenmoney
    The technical aspect is actually not that hard. The best way to learn is start building a site from scratch. Learn how to do the CSS and design. Each thing that you need help with you can find on Google.

    By looking and implementing the things you find out you will remember how to do them better and will learn the most useful skills first
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    Originally Posted by Craig Desorcy View Post

    Hi Adam,

    It sure does help when you want to do stuff on the fly.

    Get yourself a free copy of SourceForge.net: KompoZer

    to build HTML pages.

    Warning: Most of your money made online will come from
    writing good copy, word smithing, product creation not
    building sites, IMO. Be careful not to get sucked into the
    techie rabbit hole :-)

    Craig
    Agreed. Even though my design skills have improved a lot
    I made a lot of money sometimes early on with really retarded
    looking sites with enthusiastic writing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Kenzington
      Hey Everybody,

      I can just say two things. (1.) WOW! Your responses were amazing, with all the helpful ideas and links. And (2.) THANKS for the help.

      Yea, I'm most interested in getting the sites up, not so much about learning the different languages, etc...

      I already have a pretty good handle on the writing end of things. I know what to put in the site, I just don't know how to create the site.

      I am bemoaning the fact that I put $300 out for XSitePro2. I had heard such good things about it, but everyone who recommended it was using the original XSP1.

      As for the blogging format, I hadn't really considered that, as I was looking at mini-sites, and static webpages that I could come back and tweak, ocassionally, to get better conversion rates. The blog idea, I was thinking, was more hands on, adding content 4-5 times a week type of thing.

      No one mentioned DreamWeaver or FrontPage, etc... Instead talking about free HTML editors. I was suprised by that.

      I was really thinking about getting a copy of DreamWeaver, as I've heard alot of good things about it.

      I would still consider using my XSP2, but it's not compatable with regular HTML editors, so I figured I was hamstringing/limiting myself by going that route.

      Well, it's off to Google and all of those great links you guys gave me for some research.

      Thanks again,

      Adam
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Adam, stop

    XSP2 is certainly not wasted money. YES..it is buggy, i noticed that. However i think it is VERY good for an IMer starting out building sites.

    I also started IMming basically with XSP (1)....you say you dont have big HTML skills, but i really think that XSP is the way to go since you will learn more by creating the sites. You dont need any special skills to start out with it.

    In regards to to DW, i actually do prefer MS expression web.

    XSP does use HTML, you can always look at the source. I sometimes do copy stuff from MS expression web and XSP, depending.

    Just dont make the mistake and get some "idiot site builder" since it wont help you in the long run if you want to acquire some real HTML skills. My $0.02

    Add: I myself am a little disappointed by XSP2, i havent palyed around with it MUCH, but at the first glance it doesn't offer too much over XSP1, although it has more templates. That said, its still great for IMers for sales-pages and low to low/medium-complex sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    Adam,

    Here's the one I started with:

    First Website Builder

    It will give you a great foundation to creating your own web pages.

    Thanks,

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Rajul kaushik
    Adam Kenzington,
    I'd recommend SBI / Sitesell for you. This is the best program to learn about internet, website creation and internet marketing. I have learnt a lot from it. It's pricey in the beginning but the amount of knowledge you gather is simply amazing.
    Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author ndev2k
    I found the easiest way to learn about these things is to find a small well designed site and then view the source code. Then pick out the details you like from the source code and then play about with it to see how different things change the whole layout of the page.

    It won't take you long to pick up the basics and then you can move on to the more difficult things like CSS and DHTML
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    • Profile picture of the author dageniusmarketer
      I did mention without actually mentioning dreamweaver to you. Its part of the adobe suite- web suite at least (photoshop, illustrator, flash, dreamweaver,fireworks). Definitely a package you should look into at the very minimum.

      Adam said nothing about becoming an EXPERT.

      The guy just wants to learn how to get thank you pages, and other
      kinds of pages we use to make money up and running.

      So let's help him with that.

      Craig
      I hear what you're saying Craig, but i do recall the title of his post being "I want to learn to make websites", and recall that he was asking about html and stuff of that nature as he says

      I'm sure traditional web design's learning curve is just as hard, but I think I would be best served to learn these skills (HTML, etc...) to make my online business really fly.
      So i basically just recommended to him where he should look if hes trying to acquire a foundation for all of this to take him far in the future.

      I also recommended easy examples to get him up and running if you read through my last post. (wordpress,blogger,weebly). Im just trying to be as helpful as i think I possibly can. Thats all.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alminc
        Adam,

        If you really want to design your own websites yourself
        (at least static websites, to start with)
        than you MUST learn HTML and basic CSS from scratch.

        You must know exactly what each HTML tag does and how
        to properly use CSS styles and javascript code so that you
        can produce clean and optimized code that search engines
        love.

        You don't need to understand javascript code in the beginning,
        just learn how to insert it in your pages.

        HTML - learn how to use each and every tag
        CSS - learn commonly used selectors and how to call css files
        from within your HTML pages
        javascrit code - learn how to call ready made snippets from within
        your HTML pages


        The place to go is here:

        W3Schools Online Web Tutorials


        XSitePro is not good for learning HTML. You need to use
        the software that allows you to work with code directly.

        Dreamweaver is best to my opinion, but it's a bit expensive.

        There is a lot of cheaper but still very god software that
        allowes you to work with the code.

        Here's one free software that is great for learning:

        Evrsoft 1st Page 2000. The world's free HTML editor.

        You can work in 'easy mode', 'expert mode' or 'hardcode mode'.


        Another thing you can do is analyse the code of existing pages
        using Mozilla Composer. You just load a web page into it and
        you can see the coding and understand what each block of
        code does.

        You can do the same using NVU, but you need to download
        pages first. You can also design good looking pages with NVU,
        but documentation is obscure.

        Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
    Hi Adam, I started my website html experience by getting a site built for me and then taking it to pieces through the source link and recreating it. Of course you need a host and domain to do it.

    I also got Dreamweaver student version (can't use it commercially) to understand about proper construction and frames etc. It all helps. The worst thing is getting bogged down with too much technical stuff because in the end most of my sites are now built with Site Studio, which is an excellent program.

    When you get a host make sure they have Site Studio or the equivalent available. Get a good host because that's where you should spend a bit of money rather than on other things. If you PM me I can put you onlo a good one which won't cost the earth and it has everything.

    God bless
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    • Profile picture of the author marcanthony
      I just started fooling around with making websites almost two months ago.

      I'm not an expert yet but, I'm a quick study.

      I've already designed my first website in Photoshop and I've gotten comfortable with Dreamweaver.

      Here's what I did to learn:

      1. Bought Dreamweaver
      2. Bought Dreamweaver 8 (Book) by. Khristine Annwn Page.
      3. A whole bunch of photoshop/dreamweaver tutorial searches on google.
      Like I said, I'm not an expert. But I have gotten really good in a short period of time.

      And it's been fun...
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    • Profile picture of the author Janet McLean
      Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

      Hi Adam, I started my website html experience by getting a site built for me and then taking it to pieces through the source link and recreating it. Of course you need a host and domain to do it.
      God bless
      I pretty much have done the same thing. (you learn by doing) I used Coffee Cup Editor, while I was taking it apart and putting it back together again. It is really easy to use and you can go back and forth from the html to visual in a matter of seconds. They have a 1 month free trial, so you can thoroughly check it out. It costs $47.00/mth after that. If you try this and get stuck, feel free to PM me, I'll run you through it.

      I use Filezilla for my FTP with Kiosk.ws as my hosting site.
      Filezilla is free --just download it to your computer. I have no problem getting my files onto my website with this tool.

      Kiosk.ws is extremely helpful with tutorials and videos, to help get a Website up and running. You can also get a domain name through them. And they are very quick to get back to you with any problems you might be having, so your site is not down and losing money. So far, they have always gotten back to me within 24hrs.

      And as far as tuturials for html, since you want to design your own websites, I think "getsmart"s list is great. Check them out.

      wishing you all success
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  • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
    Thank you Aminc. Your references are very helpful. I had not heard of First Page 2000 but have now downloaded it to try it out.

    God bless
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  • Profile picture of the author paradyne
    Hello Fellow Warrior,

    Alot depends on the type of web site you want. There are a few places that will build you a basic web site for free. Visit freewebs.com and check
    them out before you start spending any money. They have built thousands of web sites for people all around the world. They even supply you with various templates so that you can customize your free site. Again, that web address is freewebs.com. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidO
    I recommend doing it the way I did, just wade in and get your feet wet.

    Prepare yourself first by getting some of the reference works others have already recommended. Don't overload yourself: one good html reference and one good CSS guide will do.

    A graphics program is almost indispensable. Photoshop is by far the best but it's expensive and if you don't yet have any experience with it you're faced with a long learning curve. GIMP is a free alternative and can do everything you will need but it's kind of a weird setup. Go for Photoshop if at all possible.

    If nothing else, there are many free image utilities you can download that you can use to resize and compress images for the web. This will at least allow you to work with existing images.

    Then I would recommend NVU as your html editor. I've tried just about every free program out there and NVU is by far the easiest to use and gives great results. I've also tried some of the advanced editors like Frontpage and Dreamweaver. I still prefer NVU. The advanced programs are too complicated to learn on.

    Now you're ready for a project:

    Find an existing website that you like and that will work well for a website you would like to build. Start with something fairly simple in structure, preferably a site that uses CSS extensively.

    Simply download the website you want to use as a model (your template) and get to work with it. Use your reference works and tutorials so that it's not just trial and error (although trial and error is a great way to learn it can be slow going).

    As you build your website you'll need to swap images, resize tables and/or CSS specs and styles. You should familiarize yourself with both table structure and full CSS sites. CSS is the much more efficient and modern way to go with site design so make sure you get into it straight away.

    Of course, a formal course starting from the basics would be the best way to learn but if that's not available this form of do-it-yourself learning is a great way to do it. It's fun and you could learn to build a decent website from scratch in about six months.
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