How Unique Should A Spun Article Be? As Far As % Goes??

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I use the best spinner and i was wondering how much duplicate content i can have between articles before google considers it dupe content?

I use DupeFree Pro and i can put in 2 articles and see what % dupe content is found. Can i publish an article for a backlink that has up to 30% dupe content on one of my articles? Obviously i can submit whatever i want but would google approve?
#article #spun #unique
  • Profile picture of the author tecHead
    Originally Posted by Jakehyten View Post

    ...Obviously i can submit whatever i want but would google approve?
    The question you should be asking yourself is would my readers approve?

    Are you a businessperson or the cyber equivalent of a crack dealer?

    Get real
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    • Profile picture of the author Jakehyten
      Originally Posted by tecHead View Post

      The question you should be asking yourself is would my readers approve?

      Are you a businessperson or the cyber equivalent of a crack dealer?

      Get real
      If you would have paid attention you would have seen that i use them for my linkbuilding articles not as content for the blog im trying to rank in the serps. pay attention.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Jakehyten View Post

        Originally Posted by tecHead View Post

        The question you should be asking yourself is would my readers approve?

        Are you a businessperson or the cyber equivalent of a crack dealer?

        Get real
        If you would have paid attention you would have seen that i use them for my linkbuilding articles not as content for the blog im trying to rank in the serps. pay attention.

        I think he was paying attention...

        So you only want to put the trash on someone else's site and the good stuff on your own site?

        That is an equitable trade...

        I was going to ask if 100% unique was too much...
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        • Profile picture of the author Jakehyten
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          I think he was paying attention...

          So you only want to put the trash on someone else's site and the good stuff on your own site?

          That is an equitable trade...

          I was going to ask if 100% unique was too much...
          When was the assumption made that it was trash? Wouldn't it be trash if i WASN'T concerned with putting duplicate content on someones site? If you refer to my original post i was concerned with making sure it was unique.
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          • Profile picture of the author tecHead
            Originally Posted by Jakehyten View Post

            When was the assumption made that it was trash? Wouldn't it be trash if i WASN'T concerned with putting duplicate content on someones site? If you refer to my original post i was concerned with making sure it was unique.
            OK, so maybe comparing you to the cyber equivalent of a crack dealer was a little harsh; I (begrudgingly) apologize.

            Fact of the matter is, mechanical spinning is nothing more than mechanical plagiarism

            Edit: Unless of course the original work is PLR material

            pla·gia·rism
            Spelled[pley-juh-riz-uhm, -jee-uh-riz-]
            noun 1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.

            Not only that, but its Google who says, "...code for your readers; not the search engine...".. and they have been TELLING everyone, (and proving it as time goes on), that their algorithm will/is get(ting) smarter with every update.

            The thing that many people aren't taking the time to understand is the fact that the more tricks we employ attempting to fake out the SEs; (namely Google because all the others follow their lead); the more they factor those tricks into their algorithm updates.... which essentially makes it harder and harder for all of us to GET ranked.

            Even IF you only typed 20wpm, you could essentially retype (in your own words using your own thought patterns and interpretation of the original works) a 500 word article in 25min.

            500 words / 20 wpm = 25 minutes

            If you're telling me that you can not take a measly 25min to give your business a better chance at longevity, then how am I to respect you as a businessperson??

            Do what thou wilt, as long as it hurt no one.

            PLP,
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Jakehyten View Post

            When was the assumption made that it was trash? Wouldn't it be trash if i WASN'T concerned with putting duplicate content on someones site? If you refer to my original post i was concerned with making sure it was unique.
            You were asked: The question you should be asking yourself is would my readers approve?

            You answered: If you would have paid attention you would have seen that i use them for my linkbuilding articles not as content for the blog im trying to rank in the serps.

            It was assumed you are putting the spun content on the other guys site, and putting non-spun content on your site...

            That is where the assumption was made that you are putting trash on other people's sites, because the vast majority of spun content is pure trash...

            Duplicate Content Penalty is a Myth... See here for detailed information:
            Google doesn't like duplicate material, right?


            If you were paying attention to what the OP had said and your response to him, you would never have needed to assume that "I wasn't paying attention", cause I am paying close attention...
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  • Profile picture of the author OrganicSeoGuru
    In my experience it really depends on the topic, niche, keywords and quality of current competition... Seems you have really touched a nerve, LOL...

    I don't ever go below 65% for any purpose, but if your truly spinning a ton of stuff you will need to go a lot deeper with HTML spinning, Sentence and Paragraph Spinning, Number of Words, and so on.

    But the other guys are right to a point, if your stuff never get organically linked to on its own and that includes articles, how long and how much value do you feel those links will really have ?
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  • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
    I have mixed feelings regarding article spinning.

    My head says yes, but my heart says no.
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    • Profile picture of the author OrganicSeoGuru
      Originally Posted by oneplusone View Post

      I have mixed feelings regarding article spinning.

      My head says yes, but my heart says no.
      What does your bank account say ?

      Mine tells me that Go#amn Aston I bought costs too much in fuel and insurance....
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  • Profile picture of the author tecHead
    ...and another thing, lol...

    You said you're using The Best Spinner, the ONLY reason I would even think about suggesting that to someone is the fact that their synonym thesaurus is human generated. This means, the more people that use it the bigger the thesaurus gets; pretty cool idea actually.

    In their into video, they show you how to utilize that functionality to get an instant minimum 60% uniqueness of the original works. You can then take that 60% unique article and utilize that 25min mentioned above and rewrite a whole new article that will more than likely be 100% unique.

    (granted, the definition of UNIQUE will be pretty loose regarding the 60% uniqueness of the originally spun work; as the only thing that's be changed are synonyms).

    We're web carpenters, people. The tool is only as good as the carpenter yielding it.

    ok, I'm done.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Iannotti
    There is no right or wrong answer as long as you decide what you are going to be doing with the article. I only spin if I'm planning on blasting a ton of different directories for backlinks only. Any quality directory, blogs, customers should always be 100% unique.
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  • Profile picture of the author snapcontent
    As unique as possible, frankly. Search engines have for some time been working out how best to deal with duplicate content, and over time, the net is getting tighter. If a human can't tell it's a duplicate, then right now neither can the engines. There's no guarantee this will be the case in the future of course.
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  • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
    While UNIQUENESS is important, it's far more
    important to ensure the article is very readable.
    I know we all want to just get the backlink
    from submitting articles all over the place, but
    a badly spun article can come back to bite you,
    so spend time to really make it very readable.

    And yes, just as a badly spun article can come
    back to bite you, very well spun articles can
    actually help you and get you more backlinks
    than you originally envisaged. I have had my
    members spun articles get picked up by other
    people and submitted in more places. Yes, I even
    saw some backlinks on some Twitter accounts.

    This can only happen if your articles are very
    well spun and very readable.

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    • Profile picture of the author snapcontent
      Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

      While UNIQUENESS is important, it's far more
      important to ensure the article is very readable.
      I'd agree with that 100%. Although I don't agree with the way you format your posts :-)

      Or should I say (so you can read it on a cellphone)

      I'd agree
      with that
      100%.
      Although I
      don't agree
      with the
      way you
      format
      your posts
      :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    The actual truth of the matter is that is really
    doesn't matter. If there was a problem, then
    article marketing wouldn't work at all...

    I'm a huge fan of content spinning and content
    auto-creation if the job is done properly.

    I have many "spun" articles out there that adds
    value, and not polluting the Internet. I've added
    information and knowledge where there would
    otherwise be none.

    Glenn
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  • Profile picture of the author Vishal Mahadik
    My vote goes for 100% unique content to all the sites you are backlinking.

    I mean it only makes sense when Google or any other search engine is not going to count a single backlink containing same spun content. Even if it counts, it is seen that after sometime those backlinks get deindexed forever. So why should we waste our valuable time creating spun content with same matter all over the web.

    But yes you can submit same article to more than one article directory under the same author name which is called as article distribution. Many search engines take into account these kinds of backlinks as an legitimate ones and most of the times they stay in the system for long time.
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  • Profile picture of the author computerfan
    As the gurus say, target for above 70 percent of uniqueness!
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  • Profile picture of the author Quentin
    Spin an article then test it with some of the online software. In the end it is easier to write than to spin.

    Quentin
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  • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
    I spin manually so I make sure at least 60% or more is done.....dont forget to spin that title to!
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    Have any of you tried to compare two articles
    written by different authors in different niches?
    They're never 100% unique... There is no point
    at all in trying to achieve the impossible.

    HTH

    Glenn
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

      Have any of you tried to compare two articles
      written by different authors in different niches?
      They're never 100% unique... There is no point
      at all in trying to achieve the impossible.

      HTH

      Glenn

      So true...

      This, that, the, seeing, hearing, trying, see, hear, try, different, same, you

      Too many words will match no matter how you cut the words...

      And in the same niche, 100% is also impossible, as two articles in the same niche will generally try to use the same keywords...

      It is not the uniqueness of an article that makes it special, it is the uniqueness of the author and his or her thinking patterns that influence the story being told...
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  • Profile picture of the author bizousoft
    Depends, I usually spin with "easy article spinner" and put uniqueness at 60% when submitting to places which require highly unique articles, but don't expect it to pass human verification, not once was I able to go past ezine human test
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  • Profile picture of the author tecHead
    Fact: Writers like to write; non-writers do not.

    Fact: Article spinning was born out of necessity to those that are not natural writers and/or don't like to write, (or just have little confidence in their writing skills).

    Fact: The SE's primary business model is to serve relevant and useful (mostly) written content to its Consumer, default categorized by relevance score.

    (taking all of the above into serious consideration)

    Question: If your profession was auto mechanics, would you attempt to service an airplane that wasn't quite right before taking off for a 1000 mile trip over an ocean carrying your entire family?

    IMHO: If you take the time to think beyond the tip of your nose and into the actual realistic future of your business... if you're relying solely on mechanical article spinning with no human intervention outside of clicking the button to initiate the spin process... then you're the auto-mechanic attempting to service the airplane.

    This is the Warrior Forum, people.. hire a writer.

    I only come across as harsh as I do at times because I care and love this community and don't want to see ANY of you fail.

    Peace, Love & Prosperity
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  • Profile picture of the author monsur
    I think it is 30% plus to avoid good duplicate content penalty
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by monsur View Post

      I think it is 30% plus to avoid good duplicate content penalty
      There is NO duplicate content penalty !
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      • Profile picture of the author CatherineC
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        Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

        There is NO duplicate content penalty !
        But there is a supplemental index penalty no? Or am I understanding the reasons why people spin articles incorrectly...

        Duplicate Content Penalty = Myth
        Duplicate Content leading to inclusion in Supplemental Index instead of Primary Index = Real?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ghalt
        Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

        There is NO duplicate content penalty !
        True, there's no duplicate content penalty.

        But, for the time it takes to spin your articles, frankly, you might as well just rewrite them.

        My experience with spinners is that all the time-saving factors are lost:

        - the time it takes to think "phrase at a time" and code it in the spinner
        - the time it takes to proof the articles after they are spun.

        If you wrote the article in the first place, it should take you no time at all to re-write it straight out. That way you know it's done in proper English, etc.

        If you don't really care about readability, then you're using the articles for non-human readers (ie: bots), and then it doesn't matter if it's unique, since all you're doing is getting a backlink.
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        • Profile picture of the author Owen Smith
          I can create over 100 spun articles that are readable, whicht takes much less time than writing 100 articles.

          Originally Posted by Ghalt View Post

          True, there's no duplicate content penalty.

          But, for the time it takes to spin your articles, frankly, you might as well just rewrite them.

          My experience with spinners is that all the time-saving factors are lost:

          - the time it takes to think "phrase at a time" and code it in the spinner
          - the time it takes to proof the articles after they are spun.

          If you wrote the article in the first place, it should take you no time at all to re-write it straight out. That way you know it's done in proper English, etc.

          If you don't really care about readability, then you're using the articles for non-human readers (ie: bots), and then it doesn't matter if it's unique, since all you're doing is getting a backlink.
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          • Profile picture of the author Aaron Siegel
            When I personally spin anything, I aim for 100% minimal. First off I spin each and every sentence by hand 3 times. After that I may spin a word or two per sentence ... by hand. I have tried those automated services and software only to find I distributed gibberish in the name of my company. Doesn't feel so good to take short cuts sometimes.

            Everything takes work or money.
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  • Profile picture of the author jkblogger2012
    You need to check what you write in copyscape. Make sure it is not seen as duplicate content.
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