The importance of a Guru - you had one?

31 replies
Be it internet marketing or any other facet of life.

Without a Guru you just cannot make it. Even if you do make it it would take lot of trial and errors and agony before you reach your goal.


There are so many exceptions to the rules mentioned in the ebooks that having a person who can guide you with unique difficult situation is second to none.


Do you have an IM guru? Or had one in the past?
#guru #importance
  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    I don't actually agree with this. I haven't had a guru. 4 years ago I couldn't even use word or excel. I taught myself everything and I actually don't know any internet marketers, not saying there arn't any, that have a guru. I assume you actually mean a mentor but I don't think you need a mentor either. You're a human being, you have the ability to learn. When you fail you figure out a way not to do something. If everyone needs a mentor why didn't I need one. I'm no genius but I've sufferred no agony.

    Just my opinion.
    Signature

    Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640571].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      4 years ago I couldn't even use word or excel. I taught myself everything
      Yeah, and I'm sure there was no better way to go about it.


      Oh wait.
      Signature
      "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640819].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Yeah, and I'm sure there was no better way to go about it.


        Oh wait.
        Ha haa! However the point I was making was in response to the OP that you need a guru to succeed. I was pointing out I didn't, out of interest did you? Not being rude I'm genuinely intrigued. That doesn't mean I didn't read books and follow others and learn, I just didn't have a mentor, it never even occurred to me to find one.

        Besides I still can't use excel that well so I might buy that book at lunch, cheers.
        Signature

        Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640846].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          That doesn't mean I didn't read books and follow others and learn, I just didn't have a mentor
          How did you not have a mentor if you learned from others?

          More importantly, how is that teaching yourself?

          You seem to have very weird ideas about what these things mean. The OP's point is that if you don't have someone else to help you learn things, you'll spend an awful lot of time figuring out the things they already know, and if you just looked to their experience you'd be able to use that time more productively.

          Like, for example, four years is enough time to get a bachelor's degree in any number of useful disciplines... each of which is a niche, and the more technical of them are effectively closed to anyone who hasn't got such a degree.

          But you spent it learning Word and Excel. Which most community colleges somehow manage to teach in a few months. Part time.
          Signature
          "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640991].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            How did you not have a mentor if you learned from others?

            More importantly, how is that teaching yourself?

            You seem to have very weird ideas about what these things mean. The OP's point is that if you don't have someone else to help you learn things, you'll spend an awful lot of time figuring out the things they already know, and if you just looked to their experience you'd be able to use that time more productively.

            Like, for example, four years is enough time to get a bachelor's degree in any number of useful disciplines... each of which is a niche, and the more technical of them are effectively closed to anyone who hasn't got such a degree.

            But you spent it learning Word and Excel. Which most community colleges somehow manage to teach in a few months. Part time.
            No need to bust his chops, C.

            Like I said, we all have different definitions of what these terms mean, and you can't force your definition on someone else, and vice-versa.

            The way the OP worded it was a bit too strong, IMHO.

            All the best,
            Michael
            Signature

            "Ich bin en fuego!"
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640998].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            How did you not have a mentor if you learned from others?

            More importantly, how is that teaching yourself?

            You seem to have very weird ideas about what these things mean. The OP's point is that if you don't have someone else to help you learn things, you'll spend an awful lot of time figuring out the things they already know, and if you just looked to their experience you'd be able to use that time more productively.

            Like, for example, four years is enough time to get a bachelor's degree in any number of useful disciplines... each of which is a niche, and the more technical of them are effectively closed to anyone who hasn't got such a degree.

            But you spent it learning Word and Excel. Which most community colleges somehow manage to teach in a few months. Part time.
            I agree with what you're saying, I misinterpreted what the OP was saying, when he said..

            "Without a Guru you just cannot make it. Even if you do make it it would take lot of trial and errors and agony before you reach your goal."

            ...I thought he mean't a paying mentor or a guru you can call for advice. I have learned all I have by following others and coming on forums like this, so in that sense yes I've had guru's and mentors and if thats what he mean't I agree with him. It took me 2 years to make a penny online, now I do ok by my own standards. The way the OP phrased the above quote made me think he mean't differently, that was all I was saying. I don't think learning from others is not teaching yourself and I never mean't that, I just mean't I didn't have someone specifically guiding me who I could call and ask for advice which is what I thought the OP meant. So, I haven't got pretty weird ideas about what these things mean and it hasn't taken me 4 years to figure out word and excel, I'm just not that good at excel, because I rarely use it.
            Signature

            Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2641025].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author babypar
    Someone has to make the mistakes to become a guru. The IM world changes so frequently that a guru one day can become outdated the next unless they keep up with movements in the industry. I say learn what you can yourself, develop your own techniques and become the guru yourself
    Signature

    Double Links SEO Link Building Service. High TF, CF
    Backlink Case Study

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640574].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author waltermulder
    If you dive into the water when you never had any swimming lesson you sink. Did you walk the first time you stood as a child? As with everything in live there's a learning curve for internet marketing. Why is it then that so many people think the can skip the educational part, never invest in good material about internet marketing and immediately start spamming their affiliate links on twitter. Many sites offer good education but people seem to skip or ignore it.

    Also I think it's indeed necessery to have a mentor that can help you kick-start and find short cuts.
    Signature

    Join a successful team, contact me

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640588].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      I'm sure a mentor helps I'm just saying you won't suffer "agony" if you don't. I make a nice living and no one ever held my hand. The OP says "Without a Guru you just cannot make it", I did, many others have, so you can. It will help but it doesn't mean your doomed to failure if you don't.

      ...and Walter, when you first walked you had a mentor? You had walking lessons? No, you tried and failed and learned how to do it yourself. You may have been picked up once or twice but you didn't have lessons and contrary to popular belief some people don't drown the first time they swim.
      Signature

      Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640619].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author waltermulder
    Yep, I saw my mom and dad walking when I was a baby and first had to creep and my dad had to hold my hands with my first steps.

    I guess you walked right out of the cradle Richard
    Signature

    Join a successful team, contact me

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640640].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by waltermulder View Post

      Yep, I saw my mom and dad walking when I was a baby and first had to creep and my dad had to hold my hands with my first steps.

      I guess you walked right out of the cradle Richard
      Nope, but I was brought up differently, I fell over and got up lots of times til I could walk. Incidentely, did Thomas Edison have a mentor when he failed 2000 times to invent the lightbulb? Are you agreeing you can't succeed in this game or any other without a mentor? Everything thats ever been invented actually had a mentor showing them how to do it? I hope you are saying this because you must think I'm amazing to have not had a mentor. I'm going for an IQ test!

      Also Walter I know you need to learn and can't just skip the learning curve but the OP said you must have a mentor to succeed, I'm saying you can learn without a mentor. I'm saying that because I never had a mentor.
      Signature

      Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640662].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Nope, but I was brought up differently, I fell over and got up lots of times til I could walk. Incidentely, did Thomas Edison have a mentor when he failed 2000 times to invent the lightbulb? Are you agreeing you can't succeed in this game or any other without a mentor? Everything thats ever been invented actually had a mentor showing them how to do it? I hope you are saying this because you must think I'm amazing to have not had a mentor. I'm going for an IQ test!

        Also Walter I know you need to learn and can't just skip the learning curve but the OP said you must have a mentor to succeed, I'm saying you can learn without a mentor. I'm saying that because I never had a mentor.
        A little off topic, but it wasn't Edsion who was laboring over 2,000 different attempts at the the light bulb, it was his employees, and he was'nt known for being what we would, today, consider a good boss.

        That being said, sure, I guess I have learned from teachers, but they have come in many forms, and sometimes without me even being aware of what was going on.

        The idea that you have somehow learned to do everything all buy yourself in some sort of a vacuum sounds a bit far-fetched to me. Granted, I wouldn't phrase things the same way as the OP, but we have all learned from people in one way or another.

        If I were to pick a few gurus, they would be the Warrior Forum, Online Business Insiders and Market Crush.

        All the best,
        Michael
        Signature

        "Ich bin en fuego!"
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640840].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          A little off topic, but it wasn't Edsion who was laboring over 2,000 different attempts at the the light bulb, it was his employees, and he was'nt known for being what we would, today, consider a good boss.

          That being said, sure, I guess I have learned from teachers, but they have come in many forms, and sometimes without me even being aware of what was going on.

          The idea that you have somehow learned to do everything all buy yourself in some sort of a vacuum sounds a bit far-fetched to me. Granted, I wouldn't phrase things the same way as the OP, but we have all learned from people in one way or another.

          If I were to pick a few gurus, they would be the Warrior Forum, Online Business Insiders and Market Crush.

          All the best,
          Michael
          Wow, wow, wow I never mentioned teaching myself everything. I'm responding to the thread and the use of the words...

          "Without a Guru you just cannot make it. Even if you do make it it would take lot of trial and errors and agony before you reach your goal."

          I've watched people, bought books and courses but I haven't had a guru or mentor take me by the hand and show me. Maybe I misread what the OP mean't and he actually mean't "follow a guru" or watch what he does, in which case yes I have done that, thats pretty much how I learned. I'm not implying I learned to do everything all by myself I'm just not in agreement with the above quote from the OP and I absolutely don't think there's any shame in learning from someone else. I never said that.
          Signature

          Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640866].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Wow, wow, wow I never mentioned teaching myself everything. I'm responding to the thread and the use of the words...

            "Without a Guru you just cannot make it. Even if you do make it it would take lot of trial and errors and agony before you reach your goal."

            I've watched, people, bought books and courses but I haven't had a guru or mentor take me by the hand and show me. Maybe I misread what the OP mean't and he actually mean't "follow a guru" or watch what he does, in which case yes I have done that, thats pretty much how I learned. I'm not implying I learned to do everything all by myself I'm just not in agreement with the above quote from the OP.
            My apologies if I sounded like a jerk. I really wasn't trying to.

            Don't take it the wrong way, Richard, no harm was intended. Hopefully my most recent post will clarify a bit more of what I was getting at.

            As mentioned, I think it's more about how we are each defining what those terms encompass.

            I agree that the OP worded it in a way that I don't agree with, but when I apply my definition (which is most likely different than yours, or anybody else's) it makes sense.

            No hard feelings.

            All the best,
            Michael
            Signature

            "Ich bin en fuego!"
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640892].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MarkAnderson
    According to the nature of internet marketing, you can do something faster with Guru. But, it creates a "perfect" internet marketer without Guru.

    As an example, consider following two situations........

    1. A Guru teaches you a method possible to make money with Adsense. You implement the method he explains and make money.

    2. You do experiments and find a method by yourself.

    You know second way is difficult and time consuming. But, it teaches more and more subject related things.

    And,

    Don't forget, It creates Gurus also.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640691].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Ido Jansen
    Having a mentor you can learn from is crucial.
    In the IM market you can recognize famous names of people who have "really done it".
    Some of them can serve as mentors, usually the more humble ones and some...
    well, are trying to make more and more money without any filtering of what there are recommending their "fans".
    I, myself, am a subscriber of email lists of about 10 of these "gurus". I must say that as for the last 12 months or so, some of them have really disappointed me by sending endless, most of the time worthless, emails.
    I will not name names but I will just say - choose your mentor carefully - not everyone who is successful in making money online can be a good mentor.
    Never follow anyone blindly!
    Signature
    Ido Jansen
    Author of the "Practical Internet Money guide"[B]
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640701].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Louise Green
    I completely disagree with the OP.. there's no need for a guru/mentor. I've never had one, many of the people I work have never had one, and we're all doing more than fine.
    Signature
    IMPORTANT MESSAGE: I'm currently on vacation & will answer all messages when I return - Happy Holidays!!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640737].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Louise Evans View Post

      I completely disagree with the OP.. there's no need for a guru/mentor. I've never had one, many of the people I work have never had one, and we're all doing more than fine.
      Exactly Louise,

      There seems to be confusion here with some posters about following a guru and having a guru/mentor. The OP is about needing a mentor to succeed, I didn't need one, you didn't need one, so thats now 2 people who have not sufferred agony from not having a mentor. I'm also pretty certain that a lot of the successful people here haven't had one. If you can't figure something out for yourself I don't see how you can succeed at anything. Don't get me wrong if some guru said "hey I'll teach you how to make more money" thats fine but I haven't needed one and I'm doing fine too.
      Signature

      Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640777].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author babypar
    A guru will show you the established working methods, in a rapidly changing environment like IM, they can become obsolete in months. Richard Van is right, sure pick up some quick tips to start but make your own way and you will learn more and have a better chance of success in the long run
    Signature

    Double Links SEO Link Building Service. High TF, CF
    Backlink Case Study

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640812].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I think what this discussion is really about is how we each define the terms 'gur' and 'mentor'.

    The way I look at it, we ALL have had them, but may not have labelled it as such, nor been aware of it.

    If you have ever learned something from somebody else, been inspired by somebody else, or followed someone else's instructions, then according to my definition, you have been mentored or gurued.

    Your definition is different, but please don't think there is any shame in learning from somebody else.

    All the best,
    Michael
    Signature

    "Ich bin en fuego!"
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640863].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rohnsmith
    Guru can't help you in alll decision . I mean guru can suggest you directin and it is up to your how you follow. It may possible that that direction may work for others but not for you....so especially when it comes to internet marketing , you cannot trust blindly . you need to evaluate the things on your own. there can be many ways for one simple task ....
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640914].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author thinkrich
    All the "gurus" have made a lot of mistakes. There is NO sure fire method of making it on the Net.

    While some people will tell you differently, the reality is the is NO sure fire method.

    There are methods that work, and methods that dont.

    This, however depends on your level of understanding of *anything*.

    While it is possible to take someone from rags to riches, there are another 99 people who dont get there.

    If you are looking for someone who knows how to be a coach, a professional trainer, then I suggest you go take a look at this -

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...rsity-com.html

    I have known this guy for years and I can personally testify to his knowlege, credibility and coaching methods.

    Be prepared to have your socks blown off. You will learn more in 30 minutes from him than others will show you in a whole year.

    While it is true that it is *better* to have a coach/teacher in any industry, a LOT of people are DIY, and DVWTY (Do Very Well Thank You).

    Just a few short years ago there wasnt enough coaching. Now there is information overload.

    Each to their own...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2640931].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author therichson
    We all learn from somebody one way or other. I'll choose WF as my mentor because I'm learning many things from warrior forum
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2641121].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author priyankeshu
    hey everyone.. i guess i did nt put the language properly..

    my main point here is that if you have a guru, life becomes a lot more easier...

    and NO
    i am not saying that you cannot learn things by yourself or be succesful on your own but if you had a guru you might be at an even better place from now..

    its downright simple logic.. if you have guru you spend less time wasting here n there and get to the goal and if you really have the skills you can always improvise and create new opportunities for yourself..

    For me i consider Andre Chapreon my guru for internet marketing, the day i read his guide on how to make money online i got the idea on how to do it really...

    PS: the literal meaning of guru in hindi means mentor and guide. I guess it is used in a different way in the western world.

    But it is not expert. A good for expert is pundit.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2653136].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by priyankeshu View Post

      PS: the literal meaning of guru in hindi means mentor and guide. I guess it is used in a different way in the western world.
      In America, we tend to use it ironically.

      During the 1960s and 1970s, a lot of people proclaimed themselves "gurus" and proceeded to act as spiritual leaders and guides to groups of people.

      One of their first lessons was usually for their followers to divest themselves of personal possessions, which was another way of saying "sell everything you own and give your guru the money."

      So we have a bit of a negative reaction to the word.
      Signature
      "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2653157].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Dave WCITM
        Having a mentor who is dedicated to actually adding value for you and not their own pocket means a lot, but a mentor should not take you by the hand and tell you that his is the only way, but rather expose you to universal principals and laws which govern the way thinks work and then encourage you to find ways to apply it to your own situation.

        There is no such thing as a 'silver bullet' or 'guaranteed quick fix', there are only sound principles and laws by which things work and the time and effort which you take to implement them which will ever make the difference.

        I am very lucky to have met such a mentor and am learning and earning by the day. Take the time to invest in yourself and the natural progression will happen from there.

        Hope this helps and all the best.
        Signature

        Some very IMPORTANT TRUTHS about Internet Marketing through the eyes of a Wealth Creator. May we all become the best we can be!
        Get a FREE Mind Blowing Business strategy course which shows how to Double Your Income by Working Less

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2653199].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by priyankeshu View Post

      hey everyone.. i guess i did nt put the language properly..

      my main point here is that if you have a guru, life becomes a lot more easier...

      and NO
      i am not saying that you cannot learn things by yourself or be succesful on your own but if you had a guru you might be at an even better place from now..

      its downright simple logic.. if you have guru you spend less time wasting here n there and get to the goal and if you really have the skills you can always improvise and create new opportunities for yourself..

      For me i consider Andre Chapreon my guru for internet marketing, the day i read his guide on how to make money online i got the idea on how to do it really...

      PS: the literal meaning of guru in hindi means mentor and guide. I guess it is used in a different way in the western world.

      But it is not expert. A good for expert is pundit.
      Hi priyankeshu,

      Now you say that and having spoken to a few others in your thread I realise what you mean. I thought you mean't a paid guru or someone you can call who can show you what you should be doing, as in some form of training one on one. Learning off others as you are with Andre is exactly what I do too and I agree with you entirely. No better way to learn than watching successful people.

      Apologies, I got confused by you're wording.
      Signature

      Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2653281].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author slowrider
        I don't have a 'guru', but I did sign up for a coaching program recently. Almost finished (2 days to go). I can honestly tell you that I really didn't learn so much new stuff that I didn't already know. What the coaching did for me was force me to get organized and follow a plan of action every day.

        That is the biggest thing that most newbies and people suffering from information overload fail to do.

        This coaching program has given me the confidence in myself. I now know that I already have the skills to be successful. Anything I wasn't sure of are things that I could easily find online (or in this forum) with a bit of searching.

        I'm not afraid to get stuck anymore, just need to start doing more mind mapping and setting exact time frames for "To-Do Lists".

        Just my two cents!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2655732].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Mentors are appropriate in learning the most rudimentary, funamental basics.

    Business rewards leaders who venture into the unknown. It's inherently risky and truly cannot be "taught". Experience is the only teacher when venturing into the unknown.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2653177].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author danstat
    Guru's/Mentors are those who have lived through the learning process. They can come in many forms: People living today, books(both writer's alive and dead, i.e.Napoleon Hill), videos/documentaries and newspapers.

    We are all exposed to this. We choose what we believe and use to help us succeed. No matter what's the end result we're looking for.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2653251].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author XToni
    You don't need a Guru you need to become a Guru to make big bucks especially in IM.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2655901].message }}

Trending Topics