Article Marketing and Spinning

14 years ago

In my opinion article spinning is effective if your just wanting back links to your site. If your trying to get traffic from your articles then I personally would not use them. I can pretty much tell a spun article from a real one. Does Google care/ I don't really know. But if your wanting good readable content then I would not use them. Alot of the spun articles make no sense.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

I agree with FWH's post above.

To spin something well enough for it to fool search engines into thinking that it's "unique material", and for me to be willing to have my name on it, takes me longer than writing a new article.

And without doing that, it's for backlinks only - and you get exactly the same backlink with a syndicated (often wrongly called "duplicate") article anyway; so I have no possible use for "spinning", myself.

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zoulkifl

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I agree with FWH's post above.

To spin something well enough for it to fool search engines into thinking that it's "unique material", and for me to be willing to have my name on it, takes me longer than writing a new article.

And without doing that, it's for backlinks only - and you get exactly the same backlink with a syndicated (often wrongly called "duplicate") article anyway; so I have no possible use for "spinning", myself.

That is a good point I forgot to mention. Spinning does take time and you can use that time to do something else productive. I spin to create backlinks but thanks to you I'm now aware that I can post an article on my site and republish it on ezinearticles where it can be syndicated.

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iLifestyleClub

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I agree with FWH's post above.

To spin something well enough for it to fool search engines into thinking that it's "unique material", and for me to be willing to have my name on it, takes me longer than writing a new article.

And without doing that, it's for backlinks only - and you get exactly the same backlink with a syndicated (often wrongly called "duplicate") article anyway; so I have no possible use for "spinning", myself.

I also agree. I find that most of the time it takes longer spinning the article thoroughly that I could have written a new, original article in the same or less time.

Sometimes, spinners are handy, it depends what you are after exactly and the quality of the finished article that you are happy with also.

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tht222

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I agree with FWH's post above.

To spin something well enough for it to fool search engines into thinking that it's "unique material", and for me to be willing to have my name on it, takes me longer than writing a new article.

And without doing that, it's for backlinks only - and you get exactly the same backlink with a syndicated (often wrongly called "duplicate") article anyway; so I have no possible use for "spinning", myself.

Well, yes - spinning an article properly would take you just as much as writing a new one, but then you run your spinner and you get 50 copies or 1000 if you want that many. The idea is to get as many copies as you want to use - I personally think that anyone submitting to more than the top 20 article directories is wasting his/her time, but that's up to you.

So, here the deal - you pay say $7 for an article, you spin it (properly), which would take you anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour if you are not that experienced and then you have 20 (or more) unique copies to submit to each directory. I seriously don't see anything wrong with doing this at all!

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zoulkifl 14 years ago

You will find people with many different views when it comes to this topic.
It all depends on what you're planning to do with your site.

To dive traffic of course you write articles and submit them periodically on syndicating sites like ezinearticles.com. The more articles published the more you drive eyeballs towards your website.

Article spinning was created because google will not index all duplicate content in the search engines. Theyfind contentand give credit to it's original source and or who has the most relevant backlinks pointing to them.

Most marketers spin their articles the wrong way and produce spam. They do not care of the content they just publish disturbingly bad written articles to get backlinks. What they don't realize is that in time they will be deindexed for pollutiog the web.

I use article spinners. No one can tell my articles are spun. I rewrite every sentence manually and also do nested changes within the sentences. this results in well written and well read articles.

You can publish these articles almost everywhere and they will be unique.

What you do with articles and spun articles will play a big roalin your end result.
So donlt be a sheep, learn from what good marketers are doing and you will get results.

Zoul
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- Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by zoulkifl
  
  You will find people with many different views when it comes to this topic.
  
  Originally Posted by zoulkifl
  
  So don't be a sheep, learn from what good marketers are doing and you will get results.
  
  Yes indeed. I hope you'll excuse the observation - not meant with hostility! - that those two are the only sentences from your post that I agree with. In every discussion about spinning here, the article marketers I trust and respect, myself, seem to be the ones universally explaining why they never use spinning at all.
  
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skibbz 14 years ago

Originally Posted by FWHaskins

In my opinion article spinning is effective if your just wanting back links to your site.

I agree with you FWhaskins
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Glenn Leader

14 years ago

Originally Posted by FWHaskins

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I can pretty much tell a spun article from a real one.

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Originally Posted by tess47

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In my opinion, you will never get the quality of article with spinning as you do with a genuine original article written completely by a human.

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You would never be able to tell a spun article
that I produce isn't as good as it's high quality
original. I make the effort to make sure every
single version reads well, be it on the first spin,
or ten thousandth.

Glenn

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by FWHaskins

In my opinion article spinning is effective if your just wanting back links to your site. If your trying to get traffic from your articles then I personally would not use them. I can pretty much tell a spun article from a real one. Does Google care/ I don't really know. But if your wanting good readable content then I would not use them. Alot of the spun articles make no sense.

How very true

There'll never be a substitute for the human resource. It's the same with automated translating programs (Google, for example); without human editing the text doesn't make sense. I personally avoid using these article spinners. In my opinion quality comes before quantity.

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Louise M.

14 years ago

I spin my articles with TheBestSpinner. I can literally do what I like and spin a word, a sentence or a paragraph. I can create a list of favorite synonyms or spin with "everyone's favorites" which are basically what other people using the same software added in their favorites. It's really good.

Some people don't spin articles and just publish duplicates or they just rewrite the title, first and last paragraph of their articles

Google doesn't hate duplicate content and doesn't penalize anyone but it just picks one version and sometimes doesn't display the other ones in the results so it's in my opinion always a better option to spin articles, only in a high quality way of course.

You'll read many different things about this.

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rdkelsey

14 years ago

I see my backlinks growing, but I can't identify a lot of trafffic from articles themselves.

Over the course of time I do get some traffic, and I sometimes see an article I wrote years ago sending someone my way.

Spinning is interesting and it's good to hear how others handle it and what they think about it.

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TruisticMedia

14 years ago

Yeah, I have never been a big fan of spinning.

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Mangozoom

14 years ago

Personally I think there are different levels of article spinning.

If you spin an article and it still makes sense and reads well all good.

The other option is to produce junk articles for the purpose of backlinks. This may offer some short term benefit ... but is not really an attractive option to me.

My view on article marketing is that one GOOD article is worth more than 100 junk ones.

Do the work

John

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mori22

14 years ago

if you spin the article in a way that it reads well it is worth the effort.

recently i was considering buying a certain website but when i started reading the posts it was clear that they were just spinning articles and not very good at it

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Beverley Watts 14 years ago

I think the best way (but obviously not the quickest!) is the spin your articles manually - that way you know that they make sense and you also maintain the quality.

That said, I use Article Reviser which automatically breaks your article up into individual sentences so that you can change each one easily
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- smokinhalfnote 14 years ago
  
  When I was into the article spinning thing, I used "The Best Spinner," and it's a good tool if that's where you want to be.
  
  For me, I wasn't looking for the backlinks so much as the traffic. I would write an article for my site(s), spin it once manually and submit to Ezinearticles, and then use UAW in combination with TBS to make more articles.
  
  Whew...
  
  What I found out over time was that 70-80% of my article traffic came from EZA.
  
  So, for my purposes, my time was better spent simply writing more articles and submitting some variations to EZA. Granted, this method puts a lot of faith into EZA, and if they lose Google love (or if they run into technical problems which they did a couple of months ago where they stripped my resource boxes!), you're hurting. But I just don't see EZA losing their primacy anytime soon.
  
  Plus, if you focus on writing quality articles, some webmasters will pick up your EZA article and you'll get links anyway.
  
  I guess it depends what you hope to get out of article marketing. For me, it makes sense to just use EZA.
  
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doyourbest9

14 years ago

Google loves unique content so if you dont want to write much and would like to have more backlinks and have more traffic to your website , article spinning is a good option.

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Shannon Herod

14 years ago

I actually believe that article spinning has its place. But, it needs to be done properly. You can put together a well produced spun article that reads very well, one that adds value to the Internet.

Is this an article you're going to submit to a major magazine for syndication? No.

But, it will do just fine for backlinks.

Here is why, in my opinion, it is necessary to spin articles for backlinks.

If you are writing articles for backlinks you need to have those articles indexed in order for them to count. Now, we can go on and on about "duplicate content" and things of that nature.

But, I can tell you this for a fact... If I submit the same article to 700 article directories the odds of even one third of those articles being indexed are slim to none.

But, if I submit a spun article to the same 700 article directories I can count on over half to two thirds of the articles to be indexed.

So, if you are writing articles to be published and reflect you, spinning is not the answer.

But, if you are writing articles for backlinks and want to add quality articles to the article directories, spinning is a viable technique.

The difference between most spun articles and ones that are actually good is you must take the time to make them good. You need to put in a little bit of effort. Unfortunately, most people are not willing to do that. You can make a very nice article that almost all article directories will accept, including ezinearticles, if you take the time to do it correctly.

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Shannon Herod

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tommygadget

14 years ago

My method of spinning is the same as UAW. That is to say I use small paragraphs and I write everything 3 different ways. Then I mix and match the paragraphs for variations to post to the various web 2.0 properties to get backlinks.

TomG.

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Trieu

14 years ago

My favourite is power article rewriter. You can spin multiple articles

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wasblue

14 years ago

I have just recently heard that duplicate articles when it comes to Google and websites actually means the same article on the same domain more than once, and regarding submitting to article directories since I am a lousy writer I just hire the articles out and submit them. I have never been able to spin an article enough to get it excepted at the big directories like ezine.

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bettybakebake

14 years ago

I never tried a spinner cause I can always spot them on web sites and in articles. So thought all were terrible.

Then i got reading this crazy thread where everyone is complaining and pointing fingers and so i tried this spinner and wow. It really works well. There is enough variations offered so you can customize your article. And it is free, completely free. No upsell no nothing I don't think there is an opt in either. I just checked and there is no opt in.

Now I have not actually published any articles from this spinner. I just tried it out and was impressed with how functional it was.

michele

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tess47

14 years ago

In my opinion, you will never get the quality of article with spinning as you do with a genuine original article written completely by a human.

Even if you are publishing articles for the purpose of building links, what does it say for your talent or knowledge as a writer when a human accidentally stumbles across an article that has been poorly spun? I won't stake my reputation on it, and like Alexa said, it takes far less time to write an original article than to spin one and turn it into quality content.

As for me, I'll take the article written by a real person any time

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ScottTrimble 14 years ago

I'm using Content Solution (free version on the site) to spin my "second-hand" articles...
SO, I write say 10 articles and use these to promote my hand written blogs. I then spin my articles and put these to article directories to promote my autoblogs. I find it to be way cheaper and still effective.
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- edc3076 14 years ago
  
  I have been trying to find the answer to this question for a few months, maybe someone can help me. I have always been a little leary of spun content so I am always concerned as to how much it is spun differently from the next. So what % does anyone recomend that one article be different from the next. I was thinking 25% or is that to much or to little, Any input would be appreciated.
  
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jparo1000

14 years ago

Spinning is not a bad idea, I am doing this last year and thebestspinner is a good choice for spinning software. You need to spin your article in a way that it is readable to readers and I suggest that it will be 50 to 60 percent uniqueness. I have gain backlinks doing this...

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ccasselman

14 years ago

If you combine a great spinning process and a great source of quality PLR articles, you will have a winning combination.

At that point the only limits to your income and success is your own imagination.

I am always looking for ways to tweak my spinning process - thanks for the information in this thread.

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lazy boy

14 years ago

try magic article rewriter and magic article submitter

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

I've never been interested in spewing the same article all over the Internet over and over again. I outsource my article writing ... each article unique. Makes for great blog content and can be used in EZA, etc. Spun articles are junk.

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FSchmieder

14 years ago

I just wanna add my two cents and agree with a lot of people already

Spinning is really just for sites that are giving you back links. I would spin for stuff like live journal, vox, hubpages, etc. Stuff that I don't really care to much about but will help my own site rank up.

As far as article directories, simply submit the same article to them. Just submit to your website first, then eza, then to all the rest. Helps you rank and get traffic at the same time

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karenloye

14 years ago

It really peeves me when people make blanket statements about spun articles being "junk." Yes, spun articles can indeed be junk. However, well done, they can be excellent and indeed "unique." Then quality of a spun article depends upon 1) the functionality of the spinner (some are not very flexible), and 2) the talent and patience of the writer.

Good spinning software lets you spin in multiple ways (words, sentences, paragraphs) and even lets you add / delete paragraphs upon command. (I use The Best Spinner.) Obviously, the writer needs to understand and use these functions wisely. If done well, the results can be amazing. Done poorly? Well -- as they say -- garbage in, garbage out.

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snapcontent

14 years ago

Here's an online spinner with a free trial.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

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Vusal

14 years ago

Article spinning is extremely effective, nowadays every article/submission software/service asks you to spin before submission.

Do not expect HIGH quality from spun article...

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Zabrina

14 years ago

I agree with several other people here about this one... spinning takes longer for me than just writing a new article. Perhaps it's easier because I'm a writer and have a pretty good WPM speed, but even so, I just prefer it!

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goosexxx

14 years ago

I like Glenn Leader. If you start with GREAT OG content and physically manage the spinning, then your "spun" articles will be good. If that's too bad, don't worry, it gets worse.

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rdkelsey

14 years ago

I guess spinning is a relatively hot topic.

Thanks for all the input, a bunch of great ideas and opinions.

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skibbz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by rdkelsey

I guess spinning is a relatively hot topic.

Thanks for all the input, a bunch of great ideas and opinions.

--BK

it seems so... but I dont really like it that much.. however i understand that it gives great results for backlinks to your site.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by skibbz

I dont really like it that much.. however i understand that it gives great results for backlinks to your site.

The backlinks to your site are identical whether you spin an article or not. That's the one area in which nobody can allege that spinning's better than syndication.

The proponents of spinning have to base their argument on something other than "backlinks".

And they do.

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

The backlinks to your site are identical whether you spin an article or not. That's the one area in which nobody can allege that spinning's better than syndication.

The proponents of spinning have to base their argument on something other than "backlinks".

And they do.

I'll take the "nobody" challenge...Before a page can be syndicated, it has to be submitted to article directories first. By spinning, you can get into more article directories, therefore increase your chances of being syndicated.

You don't need to submit to all 600 directories. I submit to the "best", plus random lesser directories. Each set of articles will have different linking patterns because of this.

You don't need text articles to syndicate. An RSS pheed can be created using any text editor and submitted to the RSS directories, where each RSS item can be picked up by other scrapers. (syndication)

Spinning articles also HELPS people find content. If your content is so good, you have an obligation to help people find it.

For example, if you are promoting your local podiatrist, you'd be doing him/her a favor, as well as everyone looking for a podiatrist in your area if you spun helpful articles "spinning" the words:

podiatrist|foot doctor|foot dr|foot specialist

If I look up "foot doctor" in the Yellow Pages, I get "see podiatrist". Good spun pages do the same thing, and that is to help people find the same information using DIFFERENT (key)words.

Plus, I made a post about a week ago showing how to spin articles that not only have unique text strings, but unique content from article to article as well.

Finally, if you check your spun articles for mistakes, you can correct 90%+ of the obvious errors across 100's of pages (or more) in about 10 minutes, as most of the errors are repeated in some way. Then use these "corrections" to add additional spins...My Listz tuel was created for this purpose many years ago.

@Glenn - Still a noob...

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

We're talking at cross-purposes, apparently, Kurt.

I said only that the backlinks from the resource-boxes of syndicated articles to your own website are of equal value to those from spun articles. And that nobody can allege that in that area spinning confers any advantage over syndication. And I'm still saying that, because it's still true.

I was simply replying to a post which stated - entirely mistakenly - that an advantage of spinning is that it "gives great backlinks to your site", by offering the obvious rebuttal that you get exactly the same backlinks from syndicated articles as from spun articles. "Which nobody can deny", I think? Or at least, you appear not to have denied, anyway.

I'm not saying that it doesn't give you great backlinks. I'm just saying that that isn't "an advantage of spinning", because you can get them just the same without spinning.

Nice try, though.

Incidentally - and it really is incidental, and unrelated to my original assertion - I wouldn't agree at all with your contention that "before a page can be syndicated, it has to be submitted to article directories first" - a rather narrow perspective, in my opinion (I have many other ways of syndicating pages). Nor with your contention that "by spinning, you can get into more article directories" (with the possible exception only of "Buzzle"). No indeed ... don't really agree at all with either of those statements.

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Apollo77

14 years ago

I am very new to this and just started article marketing. But on this topic of spinning and changing content, can you go back and change the content in an article that was submitted?

Say I wanted to include some info on a new ebook I just wrote and ad a link in the resource box, can you do this after the original article is already published, will it get updated?

Same question for Sites like Isnare and Submit Your Article, will the articles in all those directories that Isnare submitted them to be updated?

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Apollo77

Say I wanted to include some info on a new ebook I just wrote and ad a link in the resource box, can you do this after the original article is already published, will it get updated?

It depends where the articles are.

Clearly you may not be able to after people have syndicated them from article directories, especially if you haven't made contact with the owners of those sites.

Regarding the article directories themselves, they vary on this point. EZA's policy on this question has changed. Chris Knight tells me that they'll now review and republish such alterations within 1 working day, without taking them offline - in other words, you can. (I haven't tried it, though).

Originally Posted by Apollo77

Same question for Sites like Isnare and Submit Your Article, will the articles in all those directories that Isnare submitted them to be updated?

I have no experience of this, but I'm guessing not, because I can't really imagine how that outcome could occur.

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GardeniaShrub 14 years ago

The best spinning is done manually. It doesn't actually take that long if you are a creative writer, and the results are far more readable than machine spun articles.
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Glenn Leader 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

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@Glenn - Still a noob...

Compared to you Kurt, we are all noobs.

Excellent post BTW.
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- lazy boy 14 years ago
  
  Spinning for me typically takes more time than rewriting an article, as the spinner I use does not have a very good thesaurus. I typically get 30 to 40 percent of the articles I submit indexed with the backlink. Make sure to completely rewrite your article titles before you mass submit. It looks suspicious to have 20 articles in your backlink profile all with the same title. Hope that helps.
  
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  WildGale 14 years ago
  
  I am a good writer and also a decent programmer, so I can spin an article that I have written fairly quickly. For a 500-word article it probably takes two hours for me to have decent spun articles with 35-40% uniqueness. In that same two hours, I can dictate and edit about 20 articles (using Dragon). I get about 60% uniqueness with dictation and it's far less mentally taxing. I use the dictation method if I need to punch out quantity.
  
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cashcow

14 years ago

As stated above, spinning does take longer (a lot longer) then simply rewriting an article. It can take me 4 hours to spin just 1 article!

However when you spin them properly you get hundreds of "unique" articles.

When you rewrite you get only 1.

But why spin when you can simply submit your article to all the same places and get the same backlink?

Because a spun article has a better chance for ranking for the same keywords as your non spun article. Therefore, you can benefit from SE traffic as well as backlinks. Of course I am talking about a good quality article and as Glenn stated above, you would never be able to tell my spun articles from my handwritten ones.

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Chris Worner 14 years ago
Originally Posted by cashcow

[SNIP]

Moral of the story, article spinning when done properly, by hand, is about content leverage.
- You can sell the articles as PLR and give each customer their own unique pack
- You can create press releases with them
- You can create videos using them
- create podcasts
- and so on and so forth
However, spinning is not necessary to do at all. syndication will work just fine, although there are advantages as pointed out above to spinning your articles if you take the time to do it properly.

In regards to using spinning purely for back-links, 99% of those article directories you see in all those submitter software programs aren't even actively managed anymore by their owners so good luck trying to use spinning for back-links.

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Rus Sells

14 years ago

Point: Submit the same exact article to X number of article directories.

Google search your title or whatever and what you get is the little message down at the bottom of the Google search page.

Some results have been omitted..bla bla bla.

So this means they don't show up in the actual search results page.

Submit same article with well spun "TITLE" & "BODY"

Search Google,

Results?

Your article dominates many of the first page results on Google.

Results may vary based on a few factors.

Market competition. Debt, Dating, etc. forget it.

Long tail = Good results and more targeted readers.

It all comes down to one main thing.

Your ability to do effective research and writing your titles. Body content is not of utmost import when trying to rank but it is VERY important if you want people to read your content and take an action.

Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by cashcow

As stated above, spinning does take longer (a lot longer) then simply rewriting an article. It can take me 4 hours to spin just 1 article!

However when you spin them properly you get hundreds of "unique" articles.

When you rewrite you get only 1.

But why spin when you can simply submit your article to all the same places and get the same backlink?

Because a spun article has a better chance for ranking for the same keywords as your non spun article. Therefore, you can benefit from SE traffic as well as backlinks. Of course I am talking about a good quality article and as Glenn stated above, you would never be able to tell my spun articles from my handwritten ones.

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cashcow

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rus Sells

Point: Submit the same exact article to X number of article directories.

Google search your title or whatever and what you get is the little message down at the bottom of the Google search page.

Some results have been omitted..bla bla bla.

So this means they don't show up in the actual search results page.

Submit same article with well spun "TITLE" & "BODY"

Search Google,

Results?

Your article dominates many of the first page results on Google.

Results may vary based on a few factors.

Market competition. Debt, Dating, etc. forget it.

Long tail = Good results and more targeted readers.

It all comes down to one main thing.

Your ability to do effective research and writing your titles. Body content is not of utmost import when trying to rank but it is VERY important if you want people to read your content and take an action.

Just my 2 cents.

Hmmm... interesting ... are you saying to just rewrite the title and leave the body the same? I never thought of trying that!

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bellis160

14 years ago

Like anything else, the quality of your spun articles will depend entirely on your skill level and the amount of time, care, and attention you put into it. Some very big and successful article submission companies use article spinning successfully. However, they have strict standards for their authors.

I suggest you join one of these submission services to see how they spin their articles. I am using SubmitYourArticles and I've learned a great deal about spinning from them. I took what I learned and apply it to spinning with TheBestSpinner and now my spun articles are very good quality. Very readable. I don't think anyone can tell the difference between one of my spun articles and an average $7 article.

It's all about leveraging your time and money. I spend an hour writing a high quality article that I post to my website. Then I take another hour to spin the article into dozens of good quality articles and use these to post to directories, web 2.0 properties, videos, etc. It works for me.

I suggest you get yourself a good spinner and learn to use it well. It will be time well invested.

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adez40

14 years ago

Check out James Jones The Ultimate PLR Article Collection and Software it has a great built in Spin function.

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mudassar450

14 years ago

I am currently using TheBestSpinner to spin the articles. You can get lot of benefits from spinning the articles if done right.

I mostly use spinned article for my SEO campaigns like creating link pyramid for main landing page and its very useful and time saving for me.

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clever7

14 years ago

I don’t like this tactic. Instead of spinning articles you should write very good articles that will remain online and send you regular traffic for years.

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Glenn Leader 14 years ago

Originally Posted by clever7

I don't like this tactic. Instead of spinning articles you should write very good articles that will remain online and send you regular traffic for years.

My spun articles have been generating traffic since 2004.
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MassiveMarketer

14 years ago

Article spinning is effective just as long as you do it yourself and not rely to much on any software. Some spinners are just a rip off and waste of time. Rewriting is good, I would say.