Some Spammers Really ARE Stupid

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Not that spamming is smart to begin with, but for the life of me, I will never
understand spammers that send you an email with YOUR email address as
the one that the email came from.

Certainly you know that you didn't send that email and that it therefore
MUST be spam.

This is really the only thing that spammers do that I can't find any reason
for.

So clue me in. Why do spammers use YOUR email address as the FROM
address?

I'll send $5 to the first person's PayPal account who can convince me
beyond any doubt that the reason is so genius that it makes sense.

But you'll have to do some pretty major convincing because as far as I'm
concerned, it's just plain dumb.
#spammers #stupid
  • Profile picture of the author Allegro
    heh sounds like you use gmail too

    i got some spam from my own adress too, but i wonder if they use that adress in the from field to spam others too... i dont want to come onto some blacklists -.-
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    • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
      It's not just gmail. I get some of that with the "sender" supposedly ME from my own domain. Those almost always end up in my spam folder. Another thing that's telltale about this is that the "from" is the actual email address; my actual email shows it being sent from Angela Edwards. You don't see my actual email address unless you open the email.

      Originally Posted by Allegro View Post

      heh sounds like you use gmail too

      i got some spam from my own adress too, but i wonder if they use that adress in the from field to spam others too... i dont want to come onto some blacklists -.-
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Henshaw
        Well this thread is refreshing.

        I have wondered for many years why I have been receiving spam from myself in particular into and from my gmail and yahoo accounts.

        Now I can free up the time that I have been spending reporting myself as a spammer

        Regards,
        Jeff Henshaw.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
          Originally Posted by Jeff Henshaw View Post

          Now I can free up the time that I have been spending reporting myself as a spammer.
          SpaMasochist eh?
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  • Profile picture of the author Iain Ainsworth
    I've no idea as to the number of new internet users are signing-on to their first ever email account today - tens of thousands?

    They'll get their first piece of spam within days and seeing their name as the sender won't register as 'odd' to them. They'll just see their name and click!

    That's my theory anyway. Do I win $5?

    Or schizophrenia?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Iain Ainsworth View Post

      I've no idea as to the number of new internet users are signing-on to their first ever email account today - tens of thousands?

      They'll get their first piece of spam within days and seeing their name as the sender won't register as 'odd' to them. They'll just see their name and click!

      That's my theory anyway. Do I win $5?

      Or schizophrenia?
      Iain, that explanation won't even win you the booby prize.
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      • Profile picture of the author Iain Ainsworth
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Iain, that explanation won't even win you the booby prize.
        Story of my life... :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    It means that he used your email address to spam thousands
    of people, maybe millions. He didn't just spam you with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      It means that he used your email address to spam thousands
      of people, maybe millions. He didn't just spam you with it.
      So in other words, his purpose is to destroy my reputation, get my ISP to
      ban me and basically ruin my life.

      Well, then it's stupid because it doesn't work.

      I've been getting spam emails with my email address for years and nobody
      has shut me down, and my sales this year have been better than ever.

      So while the intentions may be to ruin me, they don't work.
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      • Profile picture of the author traceye
        I've been getting a lot of Spam lately with the subject line as "Travel #35" or "Message #72" and the next day I'll get the next number in the line(obviously set up on autoresponder).

        It's like it was taken straight out of the spam marketers handbook (was there a new 'how to spam' course lately?).

        Why would I open an email that is so obviously spam? If they were even the slightest bit clever they would change the subject line at least to something more enticing, but no .. that would be too hard.

        Idiots.

        Tracey
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      • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        So in other words, his purpose is to destroy my reputation, and basically ruin my life.
        No Steven. I know you think his actions must certainly revolve around your mighty existence, but surprisingly, you don't matter to him one iota. He simply has to put someone as a sender. In this case, you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

          No Steven. I know you think his actions must certainly revolve around your mighty existence, but surprisingly, you don't matter to him one iota. He simply has to put someone as a sender. In this case, you.
          Well, then again my question, what's the point? Why not just make up an
          email address? Wouldn't that make more sense as the person whose address
          he's using, if he spots the email, will know it's spam, and if they have any
          brains at all, will look at the header info to see where it came from and then
          report it to his ISP and get him banned.

          And no, not everything is about my mighty existence. I was meaning "me"
          in the general sense, as in whoever's email address they decided to use.
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          • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
            So clue me in. Why do spammers use YOUR email address as the FROM
            address?
            As we know, there are many, many, many people who are not as clued up as us and would simply open the email because they don't understand why they've received an email from their own address.

            Just a theory.

            Cheers,

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            • Profile picture of the author oregongal
              The first time or two I would open up the email to figure out how on earth I got that email from myself??????!!!!!!!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        So in other words, his purpose is to destroy my reputation, get my ISP to
        ban me and basically ruin my life.

        Well, then it's stupid because it doesn't work.

        I've been getting spam emails with my email address for years and nobody
        has shut me down, and my sales this year have been better than ever.

        So while the intentions may be to ruin me, they don't work.
        Actually, the idea is to work under a covert identity to get past spam filters.

        Yours just happened to be the one he picked to do that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

          Actually, the idea is to work under a covert identity to get past spam filters.

          Yours just happened to be the one he picked to do that.
          The problem is (and yes, I do know a bit about spam score and delivery)
          the email address doesn't play as big a role in the spam score as the
          content of the email itself. I am sure for every email I got with my email
          address as the from address, there are 99 emails with it that didn't get
          delivered. Otherwise, I'd see a lot more of these.

          Oh well, I don't get it and I guess I never will get it.

          Of course I don't get spamming period since you're constantly on the run
          from the law.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Bogowski
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            The problem is (and yes, I do know a bit about spam score and delivery)
            the email address doesn't play as big a role in the spam score as the
            content of the email itself. I am sure for every email I got with my email
            address as the from address, there are 99 emails with it that didn't get
            delivered. Otherwise, I'd see a lot more of these.

            Oh well, I don't get it and I guess I never will get it.

            Of course I don't get spamming period since you're constantly on the run
            from the law.
            I'm sure you know a lot about SEO too...

            Backlinks play the biggest part in pushing you to number 1, but that doesn't mean you'd ignore your header and title tags.

            See my point?
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    Some spammers are even dimmer. I've had a few emails from university students this week who forgot to hide their email address as the sender. Apparently I wasn't the first person to phone one UK university about some little toad who wanted to send me a million smackers as a lottery prize.
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  • Profile picture of the author .cg.
    It's considered self-spam and this is what I would conclude. They use the same address in the 'to' and 'from' field for a couple reasons. It's unique, it's a valid e-mail address, and most importantly, a lot of major e-mail services won't classify your own e-mail address as spam by default. Therefore it'll avoid your filters and junk box, having a better chance of being seen. Sure, with a little common sense you can easily identify it as spam without opening the message, but it reached your inbox, and that was their goal.

    Don't worry, odds are they are not using your e-mail address for all their messages. That would have no benefit for them, and just increase their chances of being recognized as spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      Originally Posted by .cg. View Post

      It's considered self-spam and this is what I would conclude. They use the same address in the 'to' and 'from' field for a couple reasons. It's unique, it's a valid e-mail address, and most importantly, a lot of major e-mail services won't classify your own e-mail address as spam by default. Therefore it'll avoid your filters and junk box, having a better chance of being seen. Sure, with a little common sense you can easily identify it as spam without opening the message, but it reached your inbox, and that was their goal.

      Don't worry, odds are they are not using your e-mail address for all their messages. That would have no benefit for them, and just increase their chances of being recognized as spam.
      I think C.G. has a great answer here and deserves the $5 grand prize

      I would like to add that when you send out millions of emails you only need a tiny percentage of the people to either be curious enough or ignorant enough to open them and you'll make some cash.

      As C.G. said putting your email as the sender gets it through spam filters and I'm sure that increases the open rate in spite of the savvy emailers that delete these messages without opening them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Barbara Eyre
        Not only do I "receive email from myself" in my store's email accounts, I also get a LOT of Russian emails - in the Russian language font. Ummmmm, how many Americans do you know can read Russian? So what's the point of sending those if no one can read your message?

        Like, Steven, I'll never understand why spammers do the majority of the stuff they do. Majority of it makes no sense. Or is it because I have enough sense to know what is spam and what isn't?
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      • Profile picture of the author killua
        Originally Posted by adamv View Post

        I think C.G. has a great answer here and deserves the $5 grand prize

        I would like to add that when you send out millions of emails you only need a tiny percentage of the people to either be curious enough or ignorant enough to open them and you'll make some cash.

        As C.G. said putting your email as the sender gets it through spam filters and I'm sure that increases the open rate in spite of the savvy emailers that delete these messages without opening them.
        I also think that .cg. has a very good answer and should be awarded $5. He had made valid points.
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  • Profile picture of the author davezan
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    So clue me in. Why do spammers use YOUR email address as the FROM
    address?
    A Spammer is Spoofing My Email Address | Common Craft - Explanations In Plain English

    A spammer needs to send spam emails and they don't want to use an address associated with them.
    I'd rather deal with the esoteric mystery of how to make more money without
    causing demonstrable harm than that, though.
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  • Profile picture of the author teenmoney
    I think a bunch of people wont even notice. They'll just see that they are going to get $15,000,000 sent to their bank account
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Bogowski
    Hi Steven,

    You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. A spammer has 2 jobs:

    1. Get his email into your inbox (the biggest battle)
    2. Get you to open it and be convinced enough to click on his links.

    You are focusing on number 2, when in reality this technique has a lot to do with option 1

    Spam is a science and tricks like this help to increase the quality score (for lack of a better word) of an email and make it less likely to get filtered out or thrown straight into your spam box.

    I actually admire spammers as much as i hate what they do. It isn't an easy job to get millions of emails passed todays spam filters.
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  • I get the weirdest spam from nonsensical web addresses, email addresses, everything. It is all a buch of pointless giberish. Wots up wit dat?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      This is new or uncommon. It's been going on in one form or another for years.

      Right now there's a botnet that's sending its spam with the same name and email address as the sender and recipient both. I have 54 of them in my spam folder since yesterday afternoon.

      So - No. No-one but you is getting those with your email address in the From.

      In this case, the Return-Path: address is the same as the To and From address. That has some interesting technical implications for systems that accept and then bounce, rather than rejecting inline during the smtp session.

      You could speculate all day long about why they chose that approach. Here's one:

      The particular botnet in question is sending stuff with conspiracy theory and lurid subject lines, mostly about McCain, Obama and their wives. Perhaps the senders believe that seeing that kind of subject next to your name will make you more likely to open it.

      Or, maybe, they're just testing the idea again. "Gotta put something there. Let's see if this improves results."

      Or. Or. Or...

      Trying to guess this stuff is a waste of time. We ain't gonna find out unless you hunt one of them down and ask him, just before you introduce him to Louis V.


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  • Profile picture of the author aaaball
    Ok, Steven.

    How about so you won't know who to blame.

    I would give you my paypal address in this post, but spammers might like to use it.
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  • It sounds like some one used your address, to hide thier own badfeed back they would get.
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  • Profile picture of the author PotPieGirl
    I always figured that they used my email address so that it would get to my inbox....and not my spam box. However, it intrigued me the first 100 times...now I just delete them and forget about it...lol!

    I agree that spammers can be dumb, but they can also be darn creative. My goodness at all the words and phrases they can come up with to describe a certain part of the male anatomy! And all the silly things they put in the subject line to market a product that..... well, you know.... does something to that certain part of the male anatomy....lol

    Sometimes it's worth a trip thru the spam box just for the giggle!


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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
      Originally Posted by PotPie Queen View Post

      I always figured that they used my email address so that it would get to my inbox....and not my spam box.
      The reason they use it is because it is a real, working, verifiable address.

      Years ago, mail system administrators began to use sender address verification to accept or reject e-mail. Essentially, they would check the sender by trying to do a partial mail send to the address in the "FROM" field on an incoming message.

      If they could contact the mail server listed in the MX record for the domain in the "FROM" field, and could try to send a message to the USER NAME in the "FROM" field and the sending system didn't reject the mail attempt with an "UNKNOWN USER" error, the receiving system would go ahead and accept the incoming mail.

      So, this now rather useless method, simplified:

      My mail server receives an incoming message from "fred@there.com". Before it actually accepts the message, it contacts "there.com" and says: "Hey, I have a message for the user in your system named fred". And if "there.com" says "ok, go ahead, we know that guy" then my mail system would go ahead and accept fred's incoming message. Fred was verified as a legitimate sender.

      Again, this methodology came into vogue in the early 2000's and has since been virtually discarded as a useful method for reducing spam, because the spammers have just stolen everybody's legit addresses.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jigar Banker
    Maybe we're all schizophrenic and we really ARE spamming ourselves.

    We just don't know it. Being a marketer may be hazardous to our health.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    Not that spamming is smart to begin with, but for the life of me, I will never
    understand spammers that send you an email with YOUR email address as
    the one that the email came from.

    Certainly you know that you didn't send that email and that it therefore
    MUST be spam.

    This is really the only thing that spammers do that I can't find any reason
    for.

    So clue me in. Why do spammers use YOUR email address as the FROM
    address?

    I'll send $5 to the first person's PayPal account who can convince me
    beyond any doubt that the reason is so genius that it makes sense.

    But you'll have to do some pretty major convincing because as far as I'm
    concerned, it's just plain dumb.

    The problem here Steven is that you are just too dumb to understand the inner genius mind workings of these spammers.

    Obviously if you get an email from yourself you look at the sender and think: "Hey smart, trustworthy gentleman. Yes! I'll read his email!"

    See pure genius.

    Admit it. You read those spam emails from yourself didn't you?

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh

    P.S. I'm not 100% convinced you aren't a spammer accidentally sending those spam emails to yourself!

    P.P.S. Do you need my email address so you can send me the five bucks. Now I can get my mother that operation she needs!
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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    That's old hat now.
    Spammers have been doing that for ages.
    It would probably be difficult to find someone
    who hasn't received spam from their own address.
    Most just delete it and move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Didn't Allen recently have a thread about these type of nonsense posts???...

    Shouldn't this be on your blog Waggerz?.. as a rant?.. on your blog...

    Just sayin

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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      Didn't Allen recently have a thread about these type of nonsense posts???...

      Shouldn't this be on your blog Waggerz?.. as a rant?.. on your blog...

      Just sayin

      Peace

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      • Profile picture of the author dollarware
        Maybe because some users are likely to use their email client to include their own email address in their Safe Senders list. (For Outlook test mail, for instance)

        You wouldn't put your own email on a blocked senders, would you?

        So by a spammer using your own email address as the Sender, that would make it more likely that the spam showed up in your InBox instead of the Junk mail box???
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  • Profile picture of the author ragnartm
    This happened to me today for the first time.. Stop encouraging them Steven
    The thing is, I send myself mails from time to time... But there is just a few problems..

    1. I would never have an english subject line in a mail I sent to myself, I always just write some stupid thing down in my native language.
    2. I would never fail to remember sending myself a mail when I saw it, thus I am affirmitive that it is spam..

    Maybe spam is just a failed plan to get backlinks easily, "wow if I do this I will get 5 million back links!!!" :p
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