Found a treasure trove of public domain but am not sure what to do with it??

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A few days ago I was not feeling that good and decided to go to the Library and just hang out. Something I don't normally do. While browsing around I came upon some very old, but in like-new condition, copies of Popular Mechanics which made for some fascinating reading (well...at least to me).

My marketing brain started working eventually and it dawned on me, after a bit of research, that most anything published in the U.S. prior to 1923 is public domain now.

I then dug around some more and found National Geographic going back to 1910. Something called House Beautiful going back also to before 1923. Mother Earth Bulletin...same thing. And others.

Let's assume for a minute that I am correct in my thinking that these publications, or at least those that were published before 1923, are in the public domain. What can I do with these to turn them into money making products of some sort over the Internet??

Initially I thought of creating a blog but while the material would make some excellent blog posts it would not be very targetted and be all over the place. For example one post might be about the new (for back then) railroad cars with car wheels. Another might be about a small airplane that lifts a tank and drops it off somewhere in a field closer to the action. And so forth. All very interesting but from an SEO standpoint not very good in that the web site would be all over the place respecting it's content. The only theme would be I guess olden stories.

I suppose I could copy some and put it into a free ebook giveaway if I find some good marketing advice or such.

But I wanted to come here and get your all's input on this. What would YOU do with it if you were in my shoes??

Ideas? Is this kind of library available public domain material really worth going after?

Thanks.

Carlos

PS. I am too broke to afford any of the popular Make Money from Public Domain stuff at the present moment...no matter how good it is and no I am not going to borrow money to go buy some so please don't even bother suggesting that I get any such thing. Nor do I want to hear about how I am not serious about internet marketing if I don't do this or get this...blah, blah, blah. I am looking for sincere and gracious input on what to do with this stuff. That is all.
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  • Profile picture of the author AskiKaOwnzYou
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      I don't know all the laws when it comes to periodicals but double check with the copyright office online before doing anything with what you found. If I remember correctly, the rules of copyright are different if the magazine is still being published, for one thing.

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      • Profile picture of the author carlos123
        Thanks for the input you all.

        I don't think there is too much danger of my having mentioned the names on this forum. Sure...people are searching for them in the Libraries now but that's nothing new. Old National Geographics are all over the place online for example.

        It takes a lot more than just mentioning the names to do something with these and potentially make money from their use.

        Even if I were to keep the names secret, as soon as I was to do anything with them...that something could be copied. So again there is no sense in keeping the idea of this under lock and key at Fort Knox type of thing.

        Regarding whether the law says you can copy old publications...absolutely you can. I've done extensive reading even from lawyers and it's very clear that anything (photos, writing, even movies) published before 1923 has become public domain.

        The only real question is how to use the stuff I am finding to make some money online. Not only how to turn it into money but how to do that efficiently and for maximum effect.

        The material I am finding is all over the place. And can be legally scanned and saved as PDF's for uploads to web sites. Google, from what I have heard now scans PDF's and turns them into searchable text giving great SEO benefit even for material saved in PDF format.

        I think I could just scan and post all kinds of text and just let Google index the content for me. Moving up in the rankings for a website containing what I have scanned. I could create multiple web sites dealing with different topics that might have some connection to modern day interests.

        I don't know. I'll have to think about this some more.

        Carlos
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          Hmm...interesting. I just thought of something.

          Uniqueness is big with Google...right?

          And Google loves text. Lots of unique text.

          Even if I can't think of a way to profit directly from public domain stuff I am finding I think I could do a quick search of snippets to find if it is already in Google.

          If not...then it is unique. I could then scan it in, create multiple web sites around various topics with the scanned content, get indexed by Google and then slap Hosgator affiliate related ads tastefully within the pages in order to make money as a Hostgator affiliate.

          Or some such.

          Hmm...interesting.

          Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author Lou Diamond
    Hello,
    I have seen many plr books that were made from public domain and they read so bad that a customer can tell that they are old and are not that good, old fashioned english and big words are a dead giveaway.
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  • Profile picture of the author DebraConrad
    Hey Carlos...

    In fact Popular Mechanics is public domain right up to Feb. 1932 - they were bad about renewing copyrights.

    Google Books is currently hosting roughly 100 years worth of "Popular Mechanics" magazine back issues in their archives - including the Public Domain issues. You can browse the back issues online RIGHT HERE.

    Your idea of creating small targeted niche blogs with public domain content is exactly what I do. I love it!

    If you have any questions at all about using public domain pm me.

    Lou - Yep - if people use public domain content "as is" it's not going to sound up to date. Re-write public domain content is the same advice anyone would give for PLR.
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  • Profile picture of the author good2go4
    The possibilities with a treasure trove like that are just huge. You are talking content and lots of it. Not only that but it sounds like the content you have found is really niche specific which is a great way of making money online. I am sure with some publications you could create membership sites for PLR articles on the older yet evergreen topics, and even set one up for history buffs in different niches - we are not all money mad online and I honestly think you have found some sound assets for some good little earners.

    Best of luck with it and thanks for sharing the idea
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Great input you all. Thanks very much!

      Yeah..if you use the content as is...for sure it might be a dead giveaway but I have been told that I am an excellent writer and would enjoy rewriting much of it or rather condensing it into some really interesting articles.

      On everything from trains that had car wheels to airplanes that picked up and dropped off airplanes. House related stuff. Marketing related stuff. On and on.

      I can pick and chose what niche material I want to copy and use.

      The only thing that seems like a downside is the fact that the material is public domain (I don't know if that applies if I rewrite a great deal of it and add my original style to it). Anyone coming to my site can...well...just copy it and away they go. In other words I have scanned it and put it up and voila...someone can come along and just run off with my hard work.

      Don't know how to avoid that.

      Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author DebraConrad
    Oh My.... I sound goofy. This is an old old old video. We don't even use "pirates" of public domain anymore.

    Oh - and FYI to those of you who are PLR publishers - (which I will be joining that group soon as well). In this video - I sort of "bashed" PLR content writers (like I said - this is an old video) and I'm making a public apology right now.

    I'm a huge fan of PLR (much more so than I was when I posted this video) and am having a great time converting public domain content into some very interesting niche topic PLR.

    Anyway... I'm so glad you are finding the info you need on our site.

    One thing I want to make sure you understand. If you change (re-write) public domain content - your "new" content is completely covered under the new copyright laws. The key is to change it "enough".
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Hi Debra,

      I can remove the video link if you want Debra.

      I just spend the past hour browsing through a ton of pre-1923 magazines. Lots of stuff in there.

      Among the things I found that might make some interesting blog posts or otherwise...

      - 100 string games with detailed explanations.
      - a series examining various chess moves and games.
      - some mini-articles where various persons expounded a bit on interesting topics like one lady who wrote about the seeming ridiculousness of men who dedicate books to their "wonderful" wives when in fact the wives were probably pestering them to get over their book.
      - all manner of wildlife descriptions.
      - one magazine was very interesting to me in particular...it was for Confederate veterans of the Civil War and had all kinds of interesting articles in it related to the Confederate side of things like the history of the Confederate battle flag.
      - one article was about the latest in fashion beach wear for ladies. You know...the bathing suits that looked more like pajamas and that were all black and puffy like.

      There was lots more. I imagine a lot of this has never made it on to the Internet and if I scanned it...it would be absolutely unique on the internet at least.

      But...I was somewhat discouraged in that most of what I saw really would not make very good content today. It was way too long. Dealing with a whole host of topics that are no longer of interest to the modern reader. Hardly any photos or pictures in a lot of it. Mostly words and more words.

      People did a lot of reading in the olden days and could afford to sit comfortably by a fireplace and read I guess.

      Oh...another magazine had a whole series, in short article format on the Presidency. The veto power of the Presidency, etc.. Dealing with one aspect of the Presidency per article. Of course some of that has changed since these articles were written so I would have to carefully edit what is said but for the most part it seemed pretty accurate.

      And there was also one on how to capture a Grizzly Bear...and...well...like I said there was lots.

      The other thing that was discouraging is that I would have to take time to scan it all in. A very labor intensive process without any guarantee of success in being able to use it to drive traffic to websites.

      Perhaps I should focus on public domain stuff that is found online already but the thing with that is that very little of it is absolutely unique on the internet. I mean it's there already right? Also everyone and their next door neighbor looking at making money from public domain stuff is scouring it and looking to use it so there is more competition.

      I'm going to have to re-think this. It may not be worthwhile for me to venture into using public domain stuff. I don't know.

      At the very least it is an excellent source of ideas and keywords that might prove popular today in some variation. Not to mention that it is highly entertaining to read a lot of this stuff.

      Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author DebraConrad
    Carlos - you might be looking at this the wrong way.

    For instance:

    I have a site (small micro niche) that is about crepe makers. Its a site where I sell (as an affiliate) all sorts of crepe makers, crepe making tools and how to make crepe books.

    I used public domain content from cookbooks that talk about crepes and crepe fillings and crepe batter etc.

    The traffic to this site is all SEO - most of the searches are for specific crepe maker models or crepe recipes.

    Why does Google love this site? Because I have ton's of great content related to the topic. Not a anything new.

    The content was free to use - right from online public domain sources.

    Copy - Paste - Rework (as you would do with PLR) - use keywords and linking - Publish.

    Is that content also on a public domain site like Google books? Yes.

    Is it on any other site? No.

    Why? Because - in reality their are not many people who use public domain content on websites. And...

    I'm not using public domain content to "sell" products - that's what the review pages are for.

    The content is just that - educational - and Google loves content that is related to the site's topic.

    I also use public domain content on loads of strictly Adsense income sites. For instance -

    You might have a " Chess Set" site. This site sells all things related to playing chess. And you have a huge content filled section that shows every chess move you can find in public domain.

    And the chess move pages link to the product review pages.

    The chess move pages can also have Adsense on them.

    And you can take all those chess moves and create a free give away for those that sign up to your list.

    And you can take a few images of old chess pieces and after enhancing and making them gorgeous... put those images on things over at Zazzle or CafePress and sell them as gifts for chess lovers.

    And and and.... the ideas are endless. We've explored so many it's impossible to list.

    Seriously... have you ever given any thought to the connection between Public Domain content and anyone looking for Genealogy information? That right there is an entire business idea.

    And... have you given any thought to where all those cool old maps use on products come from? Public Domain!

    And... what if you have an interest in a hobby? Like painting or gardening or rug making or??? You could have an entire (Huge) website filled with Adsense and Affiliate generating content.

    How do I know? Because these are some of the things I do to make money online. Go figure.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Dude you will not earn thousands of adsense revenue from non SEO content - forget it.

    Trust me been there done that.

    What you should do is gather info on a particular topic EG: chess, recipes, sewing patterns etc and make it into a physical book on amazon createspace.

    These are evergreen topics, no need for SEO, just stick it together, re-illustrate it, get it edited & typeset & you are in business.
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    • Profile picture of the author tonydbaker
      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      Dude you will not earn thousands of adsense revenue from non SEO content - forget it.
      Really? I earned about $1,000 a month with adsense for about 3 years until my server crashed and I lost all the data. It was all re-published content from prweb and other article and pr sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author jerytohn
    public domain....i think some people sell the stuff on Amazon Kindle
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    • Profile picture of the author DebraConrad
      Yep - many publishers have created Kindle books from public domain. That isn't a money maker.

      I disagree with the not making money with Adsense... Public domain is just content... and content can always be "SEO'd".

      You just have to be smarter than a 5th grader.

      Selling books from Amazon Createspace is just one of the many ways you can add a revenue stream to your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author nyrsimon
    Carlos
    Lots of interesting advice here. At the end of day stay away from absolutes ie this does not work, this does work etc. Everything has potential. Look at what is actually working and work out how to replicate and improve. Also take a look on eBay a lot of PD stuff is being sold. You can actually see what is selling.....should give you ides
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      You guys (and gals) have been a great encouragement to me. To keep looking at this.

      It is so difficult to find the time to really dig into this as a potential money making method over the Internet. My entire career is oriented around doing just that. No other career or occupation will satisfy me as I want to eventually be able to make a living, over the Internet, from my home country in South America.

      I tried Adsense once and didn't make a penny. I did tons of keyword research, asked lots of questions, even created my own content management system (WordPress is a pain and just gets in my way...I am a web developer when not working on internet business ideas) and created 7 different sites with it. Most of them got very high in the rankings (position 2, 5 and so on) at Google. But some of these were duds even though Google's keyword tool showed the numbers (I've since come to realize that it's keyword tool is way innacurate and that putting out a limited Adwords campaign is much better for gauging the true potential of a keyword phrase).

      I really like something your co-worker (?) said at your site Debra. About how to keyword brainstorm. Simple really. But sometimes it helps to start from scratch and get back to the basics so that is what I will do today if I get the chance.

      Keyword brainstorm. Then do a little Google keyword Tooling around followed by looking at the top ten sites that show up for a phrase followed by a limited Adwords campaign after which I will chose a couple and go from there.

      I just don't want another time draining experience that doesn't pan out because the foundation (i.e. keyword phrase selection based on just Google Keyword Tool) was no good.

      Seems to me that Adsense is a difficult way to make a living. You have to create like 50 sites to get a couple that really pan out. In the long run that's worth it mind you but who'se got the time to go build 50 sites? I sure don't. At least not at this point in time.

      Carlos
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Hi Carlos, I haven't heard of any of those other magazines, but I'll be very surprised if the National Geographic ones are in the public domain, because that's still being published, I think? You certainly need some law/copyright advice here, from someone who knows what he's talking about. Good luck!
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          Hi Alexa,

          I've done a lot of reading about copyright law and it is my understanding that whether a magazine is still being published or not has no bearing on whether old issues prior to 1923 are in the public domain or not. Anything prior to 1923 is in the public domain.

          Between 1923 and I believe 1963 (inclusive) things are also in the public domain which were not properly identified as copyrighted and/or not properly renewed. Apparently parties had to renew their copyright during these years after 28 years exactly such that if they did not it fell into the public domain.

          Carlos

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Hi Carlos, I haven't heard of any of those other magazines, but I'll be very surprised if the National Geographic ones are in the public domain, because that's still being published, I think? You certainly need some law/copyright advice here, from someone who knows what he's talking about. Good luck!
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          • Profile picture of the author WildGale
            Carlos, I am dictating the content using voice recognition software (Dragon). Obviously, this would be tedious for a whole book, but for Debra's "blogging idea," it's perfect. Amanda
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            • Profile picture of the author carlos123
              Originally Posted by WildGale View Post

              Carlos, I am dictating the content using voice recognition software (Dragon). Obviously, this would be tedious for a whole book, but for Debra's "blogging idea," it's perfect. Amanda
              I never thought of doing that Amanda. Excellent idea assuming voice recognition software is able to pick up the words correctly without my having to spend a whole lot of time correcting mispelled words.

              Carlos

              PS. Yikes! I looked it up. At $199.00 a pop it's way more than I got to spend right now. And it only runs under Windows (double yuck). I'll see if I can find something open source to run under Linux.

              PSS. I did a bit more looking around and apparently voice recognition software has not progressed to the point where it recognizes more than about 80% of the words spoken into it. It may still be better than scanning but I guess I will have to try it and see what is involved in correcting those words it does not pick up correctly.
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              • Profile picture of the author WildGale
                Carlos, I get much better than 80% with my software. You can also find Dragon 10 close-outs right now for $20 or so, of course I don't know about Linux. Amanda
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                • Profile picture of the author WildGale
                  Debra, Do you have a rule of thumb in selecting your content? It sounds like relevancy is one. Do you make sure it's nowhere except Google Books? What if a couple of other public domain warehouses have it? Amanda
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  • Profile picture of the author DebraConrad
    Hey Carlos... good luck with the keyword brainstorm. It's interesting to noodle around with keywords and then go hunting for related pd content to match up with good keywords.

    Remember this - Because you live outside the U.S. - Public Domain laws for copyright are different for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Debra...I live in the U.S. by the way but dont' want to say where lest 100 Warrior members go showing up at my Public Domain secret location stash LOL.

      Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author Tomwood
    With adsense it will be a matter of volume if you can get a lot of good content up quickly and cheaply you might as well go for it
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  • Profile picture of the author WildGale
    Debra, I actually have some niches where this advice is extremely relevant and, just like you mentioned, the only use of the material online is in Google Books. (I was up most of the night hunting.) THANK YOU. (I'm on your list now too.) Amanda
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Anybody know of a good way to scan public domain content into a form that is usable online?

      I think the term is OCR software but is there a free alternative that is any good and usable under Linux (I can't even remember the last time I booted into Microsoft Windows)? I suppose I can always scan in under Windows XP and then read the scanned result through Linux when I am done but that's a hassle.

      Is OCR software good enough to where one does not have to do any spelling correction?

      Does it scan in the words in such a way that you end up with text content as opposed to a PDF or other form that is not editable directly?

      Will OCR software scan in images? At decent quality?

      Does anyone know if libraries have objections to large scale scanning and copying of their material that has become public domain?

      Any additional input anyone cares to give me on any of the above would be appreciated.

      Carlos
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  • Profile picture of the author dwatkins
    There are several businesses making good money selling reprints of the ads. Don't know if he is still at it, but there was a guy on ebay making big bucks doing this a few years back. Just one thing you could do.
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Originally Posted by dwatkins View Post

      There are several businesses making good money selling reprints of the ads. Don't know if he is still at it, but there was a guy on ebay making big bucks doing this a few years back. Just one thing you could do.
      Interesting. I'll have to see if I can find out how that was done. The ads are absolutely fascinating in the glimpse that they give of a bygone era.

      I love reading through them and I imagine others might like to also.

      Ads I can get. Tons of them. No need to go digging for content that fits keywords that are popular today. Might be worth looking into.

      Carlos
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    • Profile picture of the author BiggieG
      Originally Posted by dwatkins View Post

      There are several businesses making good money selling reprints of the ads. Don't know if he is still at it, but there was a guy on ebay making big bucks doing this a few years back. Just one thing you could do.
      Interesting idea. I have a bulk photo printer so this may be something I can use.
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      • Profile picture of the author carlos123
        Hi all,

        I was looking around today at some of the various online sources of public domain magazines like Google Books and some library digitizing like at the Library of Congress.

        While there is a huge assortment of stuff I wonder how much of it can really be used by republishers of Public Domain stuff?

        Take Google Books for example. On some public domain works they have a PDF download link but when downloaded you come to realize that the PDF is missing the images! Not good.

        On other public domain stuff Google Books does not include any kind of download link at all. You can only view and read the magazine. Which is great for reading but not good with respect to pulling out the text content and the photos.

        Then other public domain books are so huge that it is next to impossible to adequately browse the book in PDF format as the loading of each page takes forever or the text never loads properly and is disintegrated (unless one views the HTML version online).

        All in all I guess I am blessed to have ready access to so much great public domain content directly.

        I'll have to figure out how to OCR scan it is all.

        Google Book and other such places seem best to be used just for searching and not so much for getting actual content from though if there is desirable content that can't be gotten anywhere else I guess it's good enough. Though it will take a while and be an absolute pain to try and get it from Google Books or other digital source online.

        I could be mistaken but that is how it seems to me on a cursory looking around and trying to download some public domain stuff.

        Carlos
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        • Profile picture of the author DebraConrad
          Debra, Do you have a rule of thumb in selecting your content? It sounds like relevancy is one. Do you make sure it's nowhere except Google Books? What if a couple of other public domain warehouses have it? Amanda
          I don't worry about where it is located... I don't use public domain content "as is" anyway.

          You see... all the Public Domain content that is scanned and searchable online is mostly located on these huge repository style sites.

          Now if I take several different public domain books and/or magazines and just use the content that is related to the niche my site is about... well now Google sees this in an entirely new light.

          The easiest way to explain this:

          Every time you read something about using PLR content - replace PLR with PD and read it again.

          You should start having light bulbs going off. :p

          For instance - today I was writing on a variety of topics.

          Marketing
          Dieting
          Alternative Medicine
          Stress
          Gardening

          I quickly downloaded the relevant material from Public Domain - found some great content - copy - paste - rewrite (with keywords in mind) - publish.

          Easy - Peasy - Lemon - Squeezy
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  • Profile picture of the author DebraConrad
    Carlos... Using the Magazine articles that are only available online at Google Books and such is easy with free OCR scanning software.

    This link will tell you how: Free OCR software for Public Domain Content

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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      Originally Posted by DebraConrad View Post

      Carlos... Using the Magazine articles that are only available online at Google Books and such is easy with free OCR scanning software.

      This link will tell you how: Free OCR software for Public Domain Content

      Great link Debra! Thanks. I didn't know you could do that.

      I think many of the photos will still come out less than usable though. If I enlarge the copy online so as to be able to scan the text in properly (or at least give it the best chance of being scanned in correctly) the photos will become unusable.

      I'll have to play around and see if I can scan the copy in at normal size such tha the photos continue to be usable.

      But...the best thing will be if I can scan at whatever resolution I care to scan at from original source material.

      By the way since you have been so generous in providing this info let me provide a tip of my own for those who might not know how to search at Google Books....

      To search for something in Popular Mechanics for example...do an advance search first putting in the date range prior to Dec, 1922 (you don't have to fill in the from data...just leave that date blank).

      Then when the search completes look in the search box. You will see something like this...

      "military tanks intitleopular intitle:Mechanics"

      The military tanks is what you are searching for...the rest is the title of the magazine.

      If I want stuff on gardening I just change the search in the search box to....

      "gardening intitleopular intitle:Mechanics"

      And so forth.

      Carlos
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      • Profile picture of the author carlos123
        On a not so positive note...tonight, while browsing through yet another magazine that was published before 1923, I saw for the first time in my public domain treasure hunting...photographs that had been cut clean out of the magazine by someone.

        It struck me as incredibly self-centered and stupid that such a thing is done when there are copiers all over the place here where one could have easily taken the photograph and copied it for a mere .20 cents!

        That made me angry...that such people are around and I sure hope no one here engages in such foolishness.

        One photo was of a house plan presumably because whoever ripped the photo out wanted to save some architectural fee for blueprints. Not that such a photo could have been used as is in place of a real blueprint mind you! A photocopy would have served whatever purpose they had just as well and preserved the magazine from 1922 intact.

        Then there were other photos, likewise cut out, of antiques in other issues of the same magazine going back to 1900.

        I can't believe people do this kind of thing with such a treasure but I guess it's no different than grave robbers in principle. People out to make a buck or in this case save .20 cents without regard for what they are destroying!

        Carlos
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        • Profile picture of the author carlos123
          I am having a blast looking through old magazines for keyword ideas, a source of keywords that most internet marketers are not using, and articles that I might be able to use in blog posts of site pages.

          I have found some really good stuff. Whole series on various topics that are evergreen and still just as relevant today as they were when originally written. I wish I could say what some of these are but if I did 100 Warrior members would be off to find them and build sites around them.

          Which...brings me to the what I wanted to ask in this post.

          Just as we can all go to Google Books and copy verbatim the public domain material that they have scanned, someone could likewise copy any material that I find and scan and build into my web sites.

          I might be top dog for a few weeks but as soon as someone else copies my scans...me and them would be competing for top dog using the same exact content. My web site might look different slightly. I mean the header might be different. The overall navigation and site structure might be different but the essential content, the text content that Google loves so much...would be the same.

          Is that just a risk one takes in using public domain material verbatim? Is it better to rewrite whatever I find in my own words and copyright the result myself (which would not be all that difficult to do just time consuming).

          Anybody have any comments on the above?

          I don't want to go through the hassle of scanning in original material that may not even yet be online if someone can come along and just copy my scan and build their own site to compete against me without themselves going through the hassle of scanning the material in.

          Carlos
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        • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
          Originally Posted by carlos123 View Post

          On a not so positive note...tonight, while browsing through yet another magazine that was published before 1923, I saw for the first time in my public domain treasure hunting...photographs that had been cut clean out of the magazine by someone.

          It struck me as incredibly self-centered and stupid that such a thing is done when there are copiers all over the place here where one could have easily taken the photograph and copied it for a mere .20 cents!
          If the magazines with the photos cut out are old, the images may have been cut some time prior to there being copy machines at the library. The xerogoraphy process was invented in the late 1930s, but the copy machines didn't become available until mid 1950s.

          :-Don
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  • Profile picture of the author DebraConrad
    Carlos...

    My question to you is - How would anyone "know" it was Public Domain content?

    The content is on your blog as a post (article) just like any other content. Why would someone think they could copy your scan?
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    • Profile picture of the author carlos123
      That's a good question Debra. I guess I am giving people more credit than I should for being like me LOL.

      You see, all modesty aside, I am very good at doing research and uncovering details.

      Not that I am perfect in such but I know how to search for things and I have a sharp mind that can usually pick up descrepencies in a web site between how a person might write in an introductory part and an article such that the article was probably not written by them. Many would be internet marketers are real sloppy and leave tell tale signs of where some of their material comes from.

      I once tracked down a whole series of web sites as coming from the same template source when I simply entered some of the text in the privacy policy of one web site into Google and found a whole boatload of other web sites that had copied the template. In other words the marketers who put those together...well...left the privacy policy intact and did not bother to change it at all LOL.

      I've had people steal web site content before where they didn't even bother to change some of the internal links in the text I wrote such that by looking at my access log I was able to track them down.

      Most marketers don't think of such details and leave footprints all over. While I haven't done much by way of looking at sites that might be using PD material I imagine many simply copy and paste right out of sources whose content can be easily searched to determine if the material came from said source.

      Of course your question implies an interesting point. Namely that if I scan in material which is simply not found online...well...I guess the short answer is that they won't be able to tell where my material came from! And with a copyright on the web site as a whole they won't be able to tell that I am not claiming copyright on the PD content but rather on the rest of my site. They will just assume no doubt that my copyright applies to my entire site, content and all.

      Still...I don't think I will find much such material though as my own source repository has mostly popular magazines or works which are likely to have been scanned in and be found somewhere online.

      I suppose the best thing is to simply rewrite public domain content and post that with my own legitimate copyright. Since I intend to create a whole boatload of sites containing no more than 5 or 6 pages of content at first, to see which one's rise to the top or near the top before I focus on making the sites better, I suppose rewriting PD content won't be too much of a pain.

      I was just curious what you all thought overall about someone coming along and just copying your PD content. I guess there is no way to avoid that risk though. Not if the PD content is copied as is.

      Carlos
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      • Profile picture of the author carlos123
        As a side note for anyone still following this thread who might be interested in using PD content....

        I find that it is so much easier and more enjoyable to browse through a physical magazine than to sit in front of my computer yet still more and browse through the corresponding online scan of that same magazine.

        Believe it or not I find it faster to flip pages while scanning with my eyes than I do to keep hitting the next page button throgh a PDF.

        Just though I would share that as a tip for anyone that might be interested.

        Carlos
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