Outsourcing to the Philippines?

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Hi All,

I am considering outsourcing some of my work and I know a lot recommend the Philippines.

Do any of you have any advice about this? Where to hire them, and how to go about this?

Thanks a lot. Also, what kind of salary is appropriate for someone in the Philippines doing full time work (ex what would be appropriate for a programmer vs someone just writing articles)?

Thanks! I appreciate any advice you can give.
#outsourcing #philippines
  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Shaw
    I would head over to digital point forums to the buy/sell section of the website; try some of the people out; check their itrader rating; dont pay until the work is done and it's good...

    When I paid unfront, they seem to never do anything work!
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  • Profile picture of the author janessecret
    I heard that you can get someone full time to work for you in the Phillipines for $300 per month is that true?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by janessecret View Post

      I heard that you can get someone full time to work for you in the Phillipines for $300 per month is that true?
      yeh that is definitely true. I have a VA who works for $350/month and she is very qualified and very experienced. You can get full time workers for as low as $250/month
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by janessecret View Post

      I heard that you can get someone full time to work for you in the Phillipines for $300 per month is that true?
      Yes. I have several full-time workers from the Philippines
      that I use for 40 hours per week (160 hours per month) for
      between $250 and $400 per month depending upon what
      I have them doing.

      Willie
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      • Profile picture of the author samuelseeto
        Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

        Yes. I have several full-time workers from the Philippines
        that I use for 40 hours per week (160 hours per month) for
        between $250 and $400 per month depending upon what
        I have them doing.

        Willie
        Hi Willie, could you please inform what company/agency you use?
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      • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
        Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

        Yes. I have several full-time workers from the Philippines
        that I use for 40 hours per week (160 hours per month) for
        between $250 and $400 per month depending upon what
        I have them doing.

        Willie
        Pay peanuts you get monkeys, I employ 5 computer operators, 24/7 and my wage bill is a lot higher, but I now have a well trained and stable work force.

        It was not until the wages increased I found the stability I needed
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

        Yes. I have several full-time workers from the Philippines
        that I use for 40 hours per week (160 hours per month) for
        between $250 and $400 per month depending upon what
        I have them doing.

        Willie
        250 TO 400 a month is VERY good salary in the phils, I would say you should be paying no more than 10k pesos per month

        400 per month? thats double a nurses salary, to give you an idea the minimum wage in Manila is approx 6 dollars per day, so a store clerk? 120 dollars per month.

        most workers in Manila would be thrilled to get 200 dollars a month salary. Thats a good wage


        I live in Manila btw. If you want to pay double the salary you should be paying, then hey its your money
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        • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
          Originally Posted by outwest View Post

          250 TO 400 a month is VERY good salary in the phils, I would say you should be paying no more than 10k pesos per month

          400 per month? thats double a nurses salary, to give you an idea the minimum wage in Manila is approx 6 dollars per day, so a store clerk? 120 dollars per month.

          most workers in Manila would be thrilled to get 200 dollars a month salary. Thats a good wage


          I live in Manila btw. If you want to pay double the salary you should be paying, then hey its your money
          I think we are talking about Virtual Assistants, Web Developers, and SEO Experts from the Philippines here. 200 USD/month is no longer a fair wage in my own point of view.

          I doubt also if you are willing to hire newbie VA's from the Philippines because if you do, then 200 USD is truly agreeable.

          Just my 2 cents....
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          • Profile picture of the author stlcardsfan
            Originally Posted by magiclouie View Post

            I think we are talking about Virtual Assistants, Web Developers, and SEO Experts from the Philippines here. 200 USD/month is no longer a fair wage in my own point of view.

            I doubt also if you are willing to hire newbie VA's from the Philippines because if you do, then 200 USD is truly agreeable.

            Just my 2 cents....
            Can you pm me your email address. I want to discuss with you about making me a WP site. Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
        Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

        Yes. I have several full-time workers from the Philippines
        that I use for 40 hours per week (160 hours per month) for
        between $250 and $400 per month depending upon what
        I have them doing.

        Willie
        Would you mind pointing me to where you obtain such affordable workers? I need some full time customer service specialists and can't seem to find any reliable staff.
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        • Profile picture of the author Patrick
          Originally Posted by Ben Gordon View Post

          Would you mind pointing me to where you obtain such affordable workers? I need some full time customer service specialists and can't seem to find any reliable staff.

          Head over to odesk.com. You can see a person's feedback and know about the service provided by that individual

          And yes ignore the pms you are going to receive from now on asking for jobs. lol
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    • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
      Originally Posted by janessecret View Post

      I heard that you can get someone full time to work for you in the Phillipines for $300 per month is that true?
      Yes, you can get that price but since they ask very low price don't expect them to work for you 8 hours a day 6 days a week unless you watch them 8 hours a day.

      Most of those who charge very low have more than 2 customers and divide their time for their customers they don't work dedicated for single customers.

      But of course there are exemption there are some who are honest and work for you 8 hours a day 6 days a week with no extra customer during their working hour for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
      Originally Posted by janessecret View Post

      I heard that you can get someone full time to work for you in the Phillipines for $300 per month is that true?
      Yes you can and I always start people at about that rate unless they are exceptionally skilled writers. For a good programmer you will pay more. But for a VA that you are training and teaching, 300 is about right.

      John Jonas has great training and I use his system.
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  • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
    Originally Posted by TheWebGuy View Post

    Hi All,

    I am considering outsourcing some of my work and I know a lot recommend the Philippines.

    Do any of you have any advice about this? Where to hire them, and how to go about this?

    Thanks a lot. Also, what kind of salary is appropriate for someone in the Philippines doing full time work (ex what would be appropriate for a programmer vs someone just writing articles)?

    Thanks! I appreciate any advice you can give.
    Hello TheWebGuy, I am a Filipino and currently available. I am looking for a full time work. I can give you my resume if you want to.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Sincerely,
    magiclouie
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    • Profile picture of the author TheWebGuy
      Thank you for all of the input and advice so far. I really appreciate it.


      Originally Posted by magiclouie View Post

      Hello TheWebGuy, I am a Filipino and currently available. I am looking for a full time work. I can give you my resume if you want to.

      I look forward to hearing from you.

      Sincerely,
      magiclouie
      Hi Magiclouie,

      If you are interested in the position, please private message me your resume. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    I took John Jonas' course, and then took the plunge and
    hired direct... reading resumes available through John's
    site (of Filipinos specifically looking to work for westeners).

    I've had excellent results! Others who've hired direct have
    shared that they have not had such great results. I guess
    having lived in the Philippines, speaking the language, and
    understanding the culture gives me some advantages.

    Let me know if you have any questions though, either here,
    or via PM.

    Willie
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    • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Sopitan
      Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

      I took John Jonas' course, and then took the plunge and
      hired direct... reading resumes available through John's
      site (of Filipinos specifically looking to work for westeners).

      I've had excellent results! Others who've hired direct have
      shared that they have not had such great results. I guess
      having lived in the Philippines, speaking the language, and
      understanding the culture gives me some advantages.

      Let me know if you have any questions though, either here,
      or via PM.

      Willie
      Sir, I am in the same boat with the fellow that start this thread. I would be so grateful if you can be of assistance anyhow.
      I am looking for a SEO/ WEB DEVELOPER.
      I am not sure if I could sent a pm at the moment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Brian
    There are two ways you can hire in the Philippines:

    1. Directly individual hiring
    Pros:
    • It costs cheaper
    • No long term contracts
    • No setup fees
    • You are not required by law to give incentives / extra pay

    Cons:
    • Hard to find a "gem" staff
    • It's time consuming to do the screening yourself
    • Your staff can accept other jobs which can compromise their time and dedication to you.
    • They work from home (lots of distractions)
    • Daily reports can be unreliable since there is no physical supervisor to verify it and watch over their shoulders
    2. Hiring from an agency
    Pros:
    • You get dedicated staff with a supervisor making sure they get the job done.
    • They work in a real office environment
    • You get replacement if ever the staff is incompetent
    • Your staff is pre-screened, trained and is usually a college graduate with a degree

    Cons:
    • A bit pricey than direct individual hiring because agencies have to pay office space, management staff, etc.
    • Some have long term contracts
    • Some have setup fees
    • Some require you to follow employment laws in the Philippines (like paying 13th month pay)
    Price for direct individual hiring can range from $1-$3/hour.
    Price for agency hiring can range from $4+/hour

    So it all comes to your budget. If you have limited budget but want to start outsourcing then direct individual hiring is your best choice. Be ready to face some "challenges" along the way though. If you have a budget then obviously, going to agencies is the best choice. It's like having a physical office with real staff without the physical management headaches.

    If you want to go with direct individual hiring try Odesk or Bestjobs. If you want to go to agencies, PM me and I might be able to help you.
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    I have a Phillie guy working for me. He's great. PM me for his odesk account.
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  • Profile picture of the author Debbie Allen
    I have outsourced through oDesk with great results.

    For me, to get good results I've found that it is vital that I am absolutely clear about what I want and need. I also think it is very important to treat my team members with respect. I have worked with a few of the same people for over a year now. In that time I have come to know a little about them personally and I think that has helped to build a feeling of a team and a sense of loyalty. I am happy to give bonuses when a job is well done and I give bonuses during the holidays.

    I have paid for some work by the hour (according to what is requested by the candidate) and other work has been paid for based on an agreed amount upon completion of a project.

    I have also had to let people go. I don't have a problem with this if the work is not being completed. There will always be some people that have stronger work ethics than others - that has to be expected. But I also learned very quickly that if I did not give detailed information about what I wanted, I would not get the desired results. In other words, outsourcing puts you in a managerial position of sorts and you have to be prepared to handle that.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    I'd recommend BestJobs.ph or OnlineJobs.ph

    They are both great sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author mickd
      dont you have to pay a subscribtion of $50 to use these sites??
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      • Profile picture of the author rdueck
        Thanks so much to everyone in this thread and others referenced for some really quality information about outsourcing. Allow me to share my current situation and experience.

        I'm working with someone on a project, and I'm taking care of all the online stuff. He's got a PR agent, and doing a lot of offline stuff. radio interviews and other things to grow the company.

        To be frank, I'm a web designer, not an Internet Marketer. Towards that end, we've decided that we need to outsource this. As he (the one I work with) has indirect contacts with some well-known successful people on the internet, he's aware that they outsource everything.

        So I need to outsource SEO, and need someone who can take the site I've built and simply drive traffic to it, and build our list. I'm relying on their knowledge and experience, but I've already gone through a number of article writers, and working to figure out what the current seo person is really doing? I feeling frustrated, and at the same time working to learn Internet Marketing as fast as I can as well.

        Reading Sven's post on outsourcing appears pretty accurate. they're obviously not working 8 hours a day, Positive they have other clients, and who knows what else.

        I am currently outsourcing to the Philippines. One reason is because it is cheap, yes, but also because I like filippino's. My wife is a fillipina.

        So I guess the question is... Is it possible to really find someone who's actually good at what they do, and someone who I can trust, and begin to see some results?

        The previous SEO person we had was driving up to 100 hits a day to our site, but no one was signing up to our list, or buying. Who knows what the heck she was doing. but it wasn't working.

        If you have any feedback or even if you're from the Philippines and are truly great at SEO/IM I'd love to hear from you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Walker
        Originally Posted by mickd View Post

        dont you have to pay a subscribtion of $50 to use these sites??
        If those sites don't get money how are they suppose to benefit from such service? I mean we internet marketers do the same, don't we?

        Btw i really recommend Philippinese, they do high quality work and plus they are really cheap.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmixon
    I had 3 Filipinos working for me until last month. 1 was very good, one was average and 1 not so good. 2 FT and 1 PT. I paid them $250 to $300 a month for FT, mainly doing 2 tasks...building auto blogs and reworking public domain books for Amazon Kindle.
    As others have noted, pay them by the blog built, by the book edited, etc. Paying them by the hour was a disaster for me. Paying them on production worked great!
    I was working a specific project that I ended, but if I needed to outsource, that is where I would go for hiring my employees.
    And like Willie, I too took Jonas' course to see how he did it. Felt like it was worth the $99 spent.
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  • Profile picture of the author myeanne
    Hello TheWebGuy! This is Anna from Prime Outsourcing, Philippines! I'll be happy to assist you with that, kindly click the link below for more info. Thanks

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  • Profile picture of the author YanKirby
    I would suggest you hire someone who has been working with internet marketers for sometime. By doing this, you will be saving a whole lot of time training your outsourcer.

    I do have some of my guys but none of them are available right now as we have been having quite a number of orders for this month.

    Im a fulltime IMer from the Philippines. If you need more help, let me know and ill see what I can do for you.

    -Yan Kirby
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
    Well. First off. I would like to thank everyone for the confidence and trust for us Filipinos. Our skill sets and work ethics is incomparable. There is no problem with us dealing with Westeners because we are used to your culture and lifestyle. I used to be a freelancer working for different outsourcers in a different industry. We are results driven. If you need anyone and I mean in whatever tasks to be outsource just pm me I might be able to find the best candidate for you.

    A favor for a fellow warrior while helping my fellow countrymen.

    It is just that I really understand you, that you want that your money will be properly invested in the right person. Ive been there, for being a freelancer and now the outsourcer myself. I just have the privilege of not having problems looking for candidates since all of them is just a phonevcall, email or text message away. If you need help finding VAs, I may be able to help you. And my fellow countrymen will be truly happy and me myself is glad of being a bearer of good news to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author myeanne
    Thank you for considering Philippines in doing outsourcing job. We all know that Philippines is one of the world's most popular outsourcing destinations with some distinct advantages over countries like India and China.

    Price depends on the complexity of the job and how much job can be expected.
    It would be great if you could provide the specification of your project so we can come up for a reasonable quotation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy Daugherty
    I have VA and article writer from the Philippines and I got them from searching on google....Just time looking for article writer....good luck..
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  • Profile picture of the author outsourcetous
    Have you thought about outsourcing to Africa? Countries like SA, Kenya and Egypt are excellent places you can outsource to.
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  • Profile picture of the author fated82
    Like most have said, you need to be specific about what you want. I outsource my article rewriting to outsourcers and gave them specific time frame to complete the tasks...I also check through the work before releasing payment....

    Read through the reviews so that you have the confidence im who you are hiring and never hire someone new without a portfolio or feedback
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  • Profile picture of the author kris121
    try wemasters forums like digital point and v7 , just start a new thread in want to hire or service section and you will start getting replies from people , do not mention any rates as people from different country work for different hourly rates.
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  • Profile picture of the author aiza.bb
    i am a filipino that have a boss in other country. so i have experience on working online. filipino is very good in many jobs
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  • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
    About the salary and what to pay, read this:

    What is the reasonable rate to give a Filipino freelancer? | EasyOutsource Blog

    Note the comments. I suggest that you begin them with lower rate then when you find the gems, pay them what it says on that chart. Don't start them off high since you aren't sure if they are worth it in the beginning.
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    • Profile picture of the author scottlin
      Nice!! Thank you very much.

      I just hired a U.S. based outsourcing company to get some things going but i am keen to have a crack at going direct.

      I've done specific project outsourcing but never ongoing work.

      So far the specific projects have been very hit and miss. I just lost 2k this week when a job that had been going on for nearly 8 months came to a head.......the end result was I wont be seeing that money unless i manage to kidnap sachin tendulkar and hold him for ransom!

      Going to have to be tough on this next project though coz i have absolutely had a gutful of dodgy people trying to and ripping me off.

      It certainly isn't anything against anyone from any particular country, this week (having an absolute shocker) I got ripped off by an American Warrior who was a member here since 2009!

      He isn't any more, and unlike the guy in India, this person i can and will get!

      If anyone thinks they are good enough and honest enough to work for me knowing i'm one rip off away from jumping on a plane and sorting it out personally, I'd love to hear from you
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  • Profile picture of the author Bojan_Djordjevic
    I am considering hiring people from Philipines for quite a while now. I believe it's a good decision and yes, they go for little as 300$ a month
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  • Profile picture of the author Blaine Moore
    I've got 1 full time worker in the Philippines - I've found that for transcription (the original reason I hired her) she does great work, and for other tasks her level is directly related to how well I can express what it is I want her to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gregg
    I had several people working for me from the Philippines. They where very good. I just need them for about six month project and it worked out great. I was paying one $400 per month and the other $300 per month.

    One was a web programer and one was an article writer.
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    • Profile picture of the author renangll
      A friend of mine recently launched an educational website which teaches small business owners how to market their business on the internet.

      One of the courses is an hour long video course on how to hire employees from the Philippines.

      You might find it useful.

      Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author DarioMontesdeOca
    Some of the best information I've seen on outsourcing to the Philippines is by John Jonas @ How To Live The 4 Hour Work Week Through Outsourcing - John Jonas Replace Myself Free Audio

    Tyrone Shum has some good stuff too
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Banks
    I have had good success with fiver and freelancer.com
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  • Profile picture of the author pmbrent
    It really depends on what exactly you are outsourcing.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnSchoemann
    I have two good guys in Indonesia and Pakistan.
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  • Profile picture of the author klein risley
    You can post here:
    manila.en.craigslist.com.ph/
    onlinejobs.ph
    easyoutsource.com

    I have a Virtual assistant from the Philippines and she's great!
    You can pay for a full time work for $300-$400 per month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    Originally Posted by TheWebGuy View Post

    Hi All,

    I am considering outsourcing some of my work and I know a lot recommend the Philippines.

    Do any of you have any advice about this? Where to hire them, and how to go about this?

    Thanks a lot. Also, what kind of salary is appropriate for someone in the Philippines doing full time work (ex what would be appropriate for a programmer vs someone just writing articles)?

    Thanks! I appreciate any advice you can give.
    My only advice is that if you are outsourcing any content writing I would stick to United States born unless you don't want quality with good grammar and spelling. Just my experience and my two cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
      Originally Posted by Benjamin Ehinger View Post

      My only advice is that if you are outsourcing any content writing I would stick to United States born unless you don't want quality with good grammar and spelling. Just my experience and my two cents.
      I partly agree and disagree to this.

      Well, since English is the first language of the United States American people, it is hands down that when it comes to quality writing, one can really expect to the fullest.

      On the other hand, I have quite a few Filipino friends who can also give quality writing and they have won a certain contest abroad.

      They just loved writing and reading so much.
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    • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
      Originally Posted by Benjamin Ehinger View Post

      My only advice is that if you are outsourcing any content writing I would stick to United States born unless you don't want quality with good grammar and spelling. Just my experience and my two cents.
      And I always thought they spoke English in England and know how to spell correctly too.

      Just my experience and 2p worth
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  • Profile picture of the author paramongoose
    I think for those type of workers you need to use odesk and only odesk. Reason being you can check their tests, feedback and check how many hours they worked. You can get good work done in the Philippines for cheap, there is allot of competition among themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrelosa
    Many outsource in the Philippines for the reason that Filipinos are very hardworking and they always make sure that they pass quality work. For article writers, you can pay $300 per month and that's full time. You can look for Filipino freelancers at oDesk.
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  • Profile picture of the author aheil
    Wow this wicked cheap. I'm considering actually doing this.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmazingP
    Outsourcing your work loads to a Filipino can be one of your wisest decision. I am a Filipino and I should know...no wonder Philippines is now geared to be the number competitor of India when it comes to BPO.

    Filipinos are simply the best!
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  • Profile picture of the author danieldroga
    Yeah, if you want to outsource Philippines is the best choice since they offer cheaper price with great quality of works.
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    • Profile picture of the author chloefranken
      Hello,

      I manage an outsourcing office in the Philippines. We have been providing services to US companies for 4 years now. We only charge clients $6 per hour for highly skilled and experienced agents.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMWinner
    If you are looking for workers in the Philippines, you might want to check Odesk.com, Onlinejob.ph, and Freelancer.com. These sites present a list of qualified workers who can deliver the task that you requires them to do. The important thing is that you have to look for that "gem" worker that will understand and deliver the tasks similar to what is your standard.
    As for the payment or the rate of payment, I would say it depends on the quality and quantity of the article or services that they will deliver to you. And before hiring some people to work for you, might as well give them a test run and then you could screen those who you want to work with.
    You will probably find the persons that you are looking for in the Philippines, since they are known to deliver the task to their client satisfactorily.
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  • Profile picture of the author CoffeeIceCream
    I had a bad experience using someone from the Philipines, but I don't think it was because she was from the Philipines. I think it was because she didn't know what the heck she was doing... even though she tried to convince me that she did!!! LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Christi
    Don't know about the Philippines but my husband in his previous job (Online Marketing Manager for a big IM business) used to manage some guys from Pakistan and it was a disaster. His company had hired them for peanuts to do SEO - mainly article writing and link-building, but also some occasional content writing for the actual website. They had hired them through a local agency.

    The biggest problem (and I don't mean to offend anyone) seems to be the language. In my husband's case, the articles these guys would write would make no sense and added no value whatsoever to whoever read them. They repeated the keywords in every other sentence and that was it. They were also very poorly written. Same with the website content and my husband would then have to spend additional time re-writing it in proper English. A big wast of time and resources for his employer!

    If your website/project is targeting English-speaking countries (and presumably it does) then you want the language in it to be nothing less than perfect, or your visitors will instantly know a non-native speaker wrote the content and guess what - they won't think your website/project is any serious and they will leave.
    If you are serious about your website/project, you may want to consider this.
    I'm not saying that all non-native speakers speak bad English, but it seems to be a very common problem with workers from underdeveloped countries.

    Another reoccuring problem my husband had was the very poor infrastructure in Pakistan where their workers were based. They constantly had to deal with power outages, interrupted or weak Internet connection etc. Often times he would be talking to them on MSN about work-related tasks and the connection would suddenly "die" and he wouldn't be able to get back in touch with them for hours (usually due to a power outage or a bad Internet connection on their end). It could very well be the same in the Philippines, especially if your workers were based in some province.
    If you have to deal with problems like that on a weekly basis and spend hours trying to fix stupid issues that keep you away from your business, I don't know how much it's worth outsourcing to cheap laborers from overseas. Yes, it will save you a lot of money but it will give you many headaches in return!

    If you want cheap solutions, I'd look into having local interns, or one or two hourly-paid local people who would work for you part-time and who would be doing this for an additional income (e.g. a stay-at-home mom, a retired person who'd be looking for a few hours of work, a student looking for some pocket-money and some work experience etc).
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  • Profile picture of the author Targeted Traffic
    Yep a good choice for outsourcing...
    and as what have few others have mentioned I do too suggest onlinejobs.ph
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  • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
    I employ 5 filipinos as computer operators. It runs 24/7. Until i started paying considerably more than the oft quoted $300, i could not keep staff. I hired by face to face interviews. Everyone gets the same rate and the incentive scheme is also shared equally. I imported a Chinese supervisor, in whom I have complete trust, who is also a programmer and general computer whiz, increased the wages and now i have a stable, well trained workforce. It took time to find the right employees, and low wages proved to be a big part of the problem. There are also the little things like transport at night, which i solved, quite easily, for a few well invested dollars a day and enforcing punctuality. I am so confident I am planning on spending three months sailing around the Pacific, going weeks internet free. Good workers are out there, finding them is hard. they say pay peanuts, you get monkeys
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Terry
    The more expertise a VA has the more salary they should command, the "you get what you pay for rule" applies anywhere in the world.

    Even paying a highly talented VA from the Philippines is still going to be a huge saving for you compared with hiring locally.

    If you're looking for people on the low side of the expected pay rate then be prepared to do some serious training to get them up to the standard you're looking for.

    But watch out because they could leave for higher pay with their new and improved skill levels. It's just human nature.

    When you find good people, look after them.
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  • Profile picture of the author savvybizbuilder
    My team is from Phil. as well. And they really help me a lot to build my online presence and promote my business.
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  • Profile picture of the author jobayerahmed
    bangladesh is cheaper then philipino and quality is better as far my knowledge, if you want i can help u, pm me.
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  • Profile picture of the author mark healy
    outsourcing to the philipines is something i am just starting to do so i will let you know how i get on
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    • Profile picture of the author rdueck
      If $200 is too low for a quality person, I can be happy to pay more, providing of course that I"m getting the experience and the results. The problem is that it's hard to find a really good person that's worthy of paying more.

      They may say they have 3 - 5 years experience, but producing the results is another thing. Are they staying on top of the current trends, can they look at your site/niche/industry etc. and come up with a strategic plan to build quality targeted traffic? or do they simply have years of experience in simply building links?

      This seems to be the difference, do you want someone to simply build links, or someone who's a true internet marketer? I'm looking for a true IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasono
    Many people in the Philippines would work for $2 per hour or even at $200 per month. That's a lot of saving in your part. You can download my ebook (check my sig) for some tips on how and where you can hire VAs for those rates.
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  • Profile picture of the author eddy52haynes
    try easyoutsource.com
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielDeus
    Finding them is one thing...

    Ascertaining their skill and work ethic is another - IF they are right for you? ...

    MAINTAINING their skill and training them is a whole other game...

    You'll find some very handy pointers here -> www.ExpertTeam.co
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    • Profile picture of the author mmixon
      I've been outsourcing to the Philippines for a couple of years now. I have one really good worker right now, and another that is not so good. I have found that just because the worker is great at building websites, they might not be so great at doing other tasks, and it is important to keep the work specific to that employee, keeping the work in their area of specialization. If you need a social media guy, don't automatically expect your VA to know how to do social media or even want to do the work, etc.

      I read a lot about outsourcing before I jumped in, and one thing I read said "Be quick to hire and quicker to fire", which really goes against how i would handle an employee at any of the retail locations I have had previously here in the US. If I had an employee that was struggling or made a few mistakes, I was always inclined to work with the employee to train and resolve any issues. But not so with the workers from the Philippines.

      Reasons being there is a language barrier, a communications barrier, a time zone issue, and a face to face/hands on meeting will never happen. Although Skype helps, face to face is always better. And there are so many people that are looking and needing to work, if you select a bad one, it is always easier to pick another employee rather than trying to correct behavior or correct errors or fix issues about their work. And I know that sounds cold and heartless (and this is coming from a soft and compassionate guy - Really!) but based on the comments of others and based on my experience, it is simply true.

      I have found the workers from the Philippines to be hard working, honest, not entrepreneurial minded - they just want to be a good employee. And i have had a not so good experience when I tried outsourcing from other countries. I am happy with the guys I have, I consider them to be my employees, they save me time and money, and they do a great job.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charley Brown
    Honestly, there is a significant difference in quality between an outsourced writer from the Philippines and a native speaking English writer.

    While there is more upfront cost with native speaking English writers, I have found that their writing provides the best long term results, and greater overall revenue.
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    • Profile picture of the author GemFranco
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      Originally Posted by Charley Brown View Post

      Honestly, there is a significant difference in quality between an outsourced writer from the Philippines and a native speaking English writer.

      While there is more upfront cost with native speaking English writers, I have found that their writing provides the best long term results, and greater overall revenue.
      Mate native english writers are born to be english speaking and it's their main language. While filipinos are just using english as their secondary language so it's not a big deal if there's some quality barriers.

      I'm from Philippines myself and I outsourced all my work to my fellow filipinos because of it's attitude and work ethics. You can find numerous reliable filipino freelancers, just choose wisely.
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  • Profile picture of the author bailbondsguys
    I used to work for a video game company and we outsourced some of our support staff to the Philippines. I would definitely recommend it if you have the resources available.

    1. They are fairly cheap depending on the skill of work required.
    2. Professional mentality, most Filipinos go to college straight out of high school so they are educated and professional in the work place.
    3. Very friendly and polite demeanor.

    Overall I was very pleased with the level of support when we outsourced to the Philippines and still remain personal friends with some of my ex-coworkers to this day. If you are looking for large scale outsourcing in the Philippines look up the term "BPO" (Business Process Outsourcing).
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  • Profile picture of the author otepsphere
    I don't want to be biased or unfair but if you're considering having employees don't forget Filipinos, we also offer quality and affordable outsourcing services
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  • Profile picture of the author FXdarling
    Philippines have a good english and considered as a cheap labor. You can find a lot of them in fiver and freelance sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Backlink Beaver
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    I dont have much outsourcing experience, but am in desperate need. I love these threads. I found a great article here on this thread that is worth the read.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-way-life.html
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    • Profile picture of the author manters2000
      We Filipinos tend to be loyal to our bosses/managers if we are treated and managed well. In addition, we are very good workers and can easily be trained. Many educated individuals can easily adapt to western culture because we're inclined to that. English communication is not a big problem. Majority of us strive to work hard because finding a job in our country is not that easy. Most local companies only hire college level or degree holders.
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