Has Google Killed Linkwheels?

14 years ago

Haven't heard about this; and I'd like to know as well since I am in the middle of several linkwheels...

But if your content is good on all your wheel sites, why should they?

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FredJones 14 years ago

I have heard all kinds of rumors all the time, but I don't know whether this is true yet.
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DogScout

14 years ago

cross link. easier, less detectable. If they are not IDing link-wheels now, one never knows when they might. (of course who can tell anything they might do? Lol)

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Vusal

14 years ago

Oh come on...

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snapcontent

14 years ago

If by a link wheel you mean A->B->C->A kind of thing, they have had the tech to detect it for a long time. The depth of link indirection a search engine can detect is a direct function of the amount of processing time they are prepared to devote to it. Google has a LOT of CPU cycles to waste.

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Droopy Dawg

14 years ago

Its all according to who/what you believe. Some say "Yes"... some say "No"... but I have yet to hear from "The Big G" about linkwheels. You may find your answer here:

are link wheels dead? - Google Search

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JamieSEO

Hey Guys

I heard that Google is now picking up on linkwheels...

You heard that, here's what I heard...

Gilligan never got off the island
Kim Kardashian got married last night
The Buffalo Bills are in 1st place in AFC East
The NY Yankees are moving the team to Oklahoma during the playoffs
Tom Brady is being traded to the NY Jets
Mark Sanchez is going to become a tight end
Microsoft is changing their name to M Diddy
Donald Trump is changing his name to Donald Tr_ _p
The Internet is shutting down at 10:00pm on 10-10-10
You will get 10k unique visitors if you press the ~ key 5000 times consecutively within two hours
Apple computers is changing its name to Mango
David Blaine has learned how to see the wind when its not moving
Lindsey Lohan is applying to become a nun
The Warrior Forum is changing the color scheme to purple, orange, green and pink
The US Navy is shutting down and going into marketing biodegradable sunglasses
The US Marines are moving to Bosnia to teach yoga
Ezine Articles is no longer accepting articles
Squidoo is now charging $37.00 per submission per month
PayPal has been shutdown by the DEA
The FBI has put a moratorium on arrests until the year 2017
Google has been bought out by the company that makes Bake and Shake
Burger King is now serving Chinese food
McDonald's is going out if business
Taco Bell is now serving pancakes, fresh fruits and a assortment of classical wines
Michellin is now putting jello in their tires instead of air
Brett Favre is retiring after today
The Back Street Boys are all joining the WF
Hu Jintao is joining the WF

I think we need to start a separate section on the WF entitled:

I heard that...

That way, when we hear something, we can just post it there.

Oh and by the way, the entire Internet is nothing more than a huge interconnecting link wheel, with Google being probably one of the largest recipients of link wheel link juice.

Next time you hear something, just post it to: iheardthat.com

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Giles, the Crew Chief

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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago
Originally Posted by Crew Chief

The Internet is shutting down at 10:00pm on 10-10-10
It would have to be 10.10am, I think, to fit the bill, really: 10:00pm is 22:00, after all - that doesn't sound quite right.

All the rest, of course, is perfectly true.
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chloetaylor

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

You heard that, here's what I heard...

Gilligan never got off the island
Kim Kardashian got married last night
The Buffalo Bills are in 1st place in AFC East
The NY Yankees are moving the team to Oklahoma during the playoffs
Tom Brady is being traded to the NY Jets
Mark Sanchez is going to become a tight end
Microsoft is changing their name to M Diddy
Donald Trump is changing his name to Donald Tr_ _p
The Internet is shutting down at 10:00pm on 10-10-10
You will get 10k unique visitors if you press the ~ key 5000 times consecutively within two hours
Apple computers is changing its name to Mango
David Blaine has learned how to see the wind when its not moving
Lindsey Lohan is applying to become a nun
The Warrior Forum is changing the color scheme to purple, orange, green and pink
The US Navy is shutting down and going into marketing biodegradable sunglasses
The US Marines are moving to Bosnia to teach yoga
Ezine Articles is no longer accepting articles
Squidoo is now charging $37.00 per submission per month
PayPal has been shutdown by the DEA
The FBI has put a moratorium on arrests until the year 2017
Google has been bought out by the company that makes Bake and Shake
Burger King is now serving Chinese food
McDonald's is going out if business
Taco Bell is now serving pancakes, fresh fruits and a assortment of classical wines
Michellin is now putting jello in their tires instead of air
Brett Favre is retiring after today
The Back Street Boys are all joining the WF
Hu Jintao is joining the WF

I think we need to start a separate section on the WF entitled:

I heard that...

lolz....nice one...and you are absolutely right about google and link wheeling

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Mike Hlatky

14 years ago

OMG!!

The Back Street Boys are all joining the WF?!?!?!

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cashcow

14 years ago

Are you kidding? They've probably been able to pick up on them since people started using them years ago. I mean how hard would it be for google to figure it out? Yes, even if you don't close the wheel I would imagine it is still pretty obvious.

The questions is how much do they care?

Lee

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sparckyz

14 years ago

Create one and see if it helps or not

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It would have to be 10.10am, I think, to fit the bill, really: 10:00pm is 22:00, after all - that doesn't sound quite right.

All the rest, of course, is perfectly true.

ALexa, I heard that they tried it at 10:00am but because the earth had actually stopped spinning on its axis that it didn't work... in the am.

Originally Posted by twigman1200

OMG!!

The Back Street Boys are all joining the WF?!?!?!

Yeah and I heard that they are going to be asking Allen to add a special section for the comeback kids...

Originally Posted by sparckyz

Create one and see if it helps or not

Now that's a novel idea... engaging is case studies and analyzing techniques utilizing test websites. That sounds like something a professional IMer would do.

Giles, the Crew Chief

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Killed? I think that might be a little strong.

Any tactic that a) is open to abuse and b) leaves an identifiable footprint is likely to become less effective for the abusers.

There's nothing for Google to "kill" when it comes to interconnected sites. They can't put a large part of their ranking on links and then penalize sites that link to others. If the links have any value at all, and are not obviously link spam, there should be no worry.

On the other hand, Google has said for years that they will try to identify and de-list any site they believe is trying to game the system at the expense of the user experience.

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tpw

14 years ago

All Google can truly do is to identify Patterns of behavior and smack down anyone who matches a particular pattern...

If your link wheels do not match any obvious patterns, they cannot identify your patterns, let alone shoot you down for using them...

If anything, they are becoming less useful for some marketers... Because when there are 20 or 100 people in a niche using link wheels to influence search rankings, there are still only ten web pages that can be on page one of the search results for the target keyword...

Links wheels will always be useful, provided two criteria are met:

1. They do not follow any easily identifiable patterns;

2. They are used for a niche keyword that is not overpopulated by IMers who know what Link Wheels are and use them for their websites...

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Bill Farnham

14 years ago

To a large degree, if Google enters your 'circle of sites' through any door and can't find a natural pattern of links out to other sites that don't lead to your money site you have the possibility of setting off the dreaded 'link wheel buzzer'.

In other words, if Google finds you're really not part of the web in general, but just a closed off corner of the web, they may not allocate prime Google Estate to help you bring in traffic.

This has been going on for years, and if you really want some good information about how this works, guys like Mike Liebner, among many others, have laid this out in spades.

It's not rocket science...

~Bill

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bill Farnham

To a large degree, if Google enters your 'circle of sites' through any door and can't find a natural pattern of links out to other sites that don't lead to your money site you have the possibility of setting off the dreaded 'link wheel buzzer'.

In other words, if Google finds you're really not part of the web in general, but just a closed off corner of the web, they may not allocate prime Google Estate to help you bring in traffic.

This has been going on for years, and if you really want some good information about how this works, guys like Mike Liebner, among many others, have laid this out in spades.

It's not rocket science...

~Bill

I think the best analogy is like constellations of stars, with the Net being the entire universe. Are you getting links from the same "constelation" as the other ranking sites for those keywords?

It's pretty easy to figure out where the other links are coming from and copy those patterns, and there's likely a few 2.0 properties in the mix.

Proper use of sites like Hubpages and Squidoo also include optimizing traffic, linking and searches on those sites by making good use of tags, tag pages, etc.

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JackPowers

14 years ago

Web 2.0 such as Squidoo, Hubpages etc. has been close to useless for SEO for a while imo.

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14 years ago

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DuaneZ

14 years ago

I think it all depends on how well your content is on your sites within the link wheel.
Do the links relate to the theme of each other or are they totally obscured?
Also, do you have other links going to other valued sites that are not part of the link wheel.

Google is placing so much emphasis on unique content and relating linking that if the sites in the link wheel are built properly then there should not be a problem with the structure of the wheel, more importantly is the structure of the sites.

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JamieSEO 14 years ago

Thank you so much for your feedback on this

It sounds like the general consensus is that provided it has a "natural" type approach with good content and does not all point back to the same site I should be okay.

Are there any marketers you recommend for finding the best in-depth advice on creating great linkwheels?
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- Jesus Carrera 14 years ago
  
  Apparently closed link wheels doesn't work any more for some markets, whilst still work for another ones. Leaving them open helps to leave less footprint, but they aren't as effective as closed ones. Even if closed work for your market today, maybe they don't tomorrow. This is how our lovely google algorithm rolls
  
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Wesley Atkins

14 years ago

Link Wheels are not dead but you need to exercise caution and creativity when creating them. Don't leave obvious footprints, like linking all the sites to the same URL. Link out to other sites in your market, don't interlink all the wheels and especially don't close the loop. Focus more on getting links to your links to keep them indexed.. If that makes sense..

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jenhuei

14 years ago

My personal experience:
I have created a link wheel about 5 weeks ago, utilizing a few Web 2.0 sites, I think 4 of them, and doing some sort of A -> B -> C -> D -> A... then each of these sites will also have another link links back to the main site.
Well, after 1 month+, no effect at all. What I mean is, my ranking not improved at all. (It's still drop out of the Top 200 of Google Search Result!)

However, one of my friend who implement this strategy got her websites ranking improved... slightly.

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