>95% of Internet Marketers DO NOT make a dime online? REALLY?

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You've seen this statement almost everyday, everywhere. Some even argued that it's >98%.

If the above sentence is true, WF has 232,201 registered members as of this minute which means 227,556 humans are actually wasting their time here and will not make a single dime? Not forgetting there's 2x more guest than members browsing WF at each point of time.

Here's my doubt. I can understand if 98% do not make a living full time online or make very little money. But making a dime is so damn easy. All one need to do is to offer to write a crappy article for ONE buck and that will take you just 20 minutes. If you do not have the ability to write english at all, there are so many black hat stuff that will make you a buck easily albeit having your account banned etc.

So IMO, >95% of Internet Marketers DO NOT make a dime online is just a sales pitch to instill fear in buyers.

What say you?
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  • I say that 95% of the population are not cut out to create, run, grow and manage a business so... why would be an online business be any different?
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    • Profile picture of the author ThisIsMyHealth
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      I say that 95% of the population are not cut out to create, run, grow and manage a business so... why would be an online business be any different?
      Anonymous Affiliate,

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      • Profile picture of the author spudnick
        I think it is important to distinguish between earning a full time income online by trading your time in exchange for money (a J.O.B) and earning a recurring, passive income online from a business.

        I am confident if I quit my current day job I could go and work for other marketers writing articles, setting up websites, building links e.t.c. and probably earn a 'full time' income online (although it would be far less, probably, then my current J.O.B income). In this case you are really not earning money 'online' in my opinion. You have a J.O.B. You could be doing the exact same work for a primarily offline company (writing articles for their online newsletter for example).

        To earn a recurring, long-term, passive income is much harder. I would be willing to bet that the statistics on that one are terrible.

        The internet is just a medium. The true aim (for me anyway) is to earn a passive income that at least replaces some of my current J.O.B wage.

        If I could get to a point where I could cut back my day J.O.B by a day or two, that would be great!
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        • I'm a more "matter of fact" sort of guy and to me, it sounds more like a catch phrase full of hot air. Basically, its a phrase that gets bandied about the English language to fit most situations to apply it to.

          I for one, would like to see cold hard facts that demonstrate the case in point - that 95% of Internet Marketers do not make a dime online.

          I'm thinking, who came up with that statement? Where did their knowledge come from to form such a conclusion? What were their motives to make that statement? Did they have any data to back it up? Was it a gimmicky line used in a sales pitch? yadda! yadda! yadda!

          Sorry, just playing devils advocate to the question. I think it has promise, but lacks teeth when you actually go "Prove it!"

          So an idea for y'all is to survey your list, your blog, your customers, whoever are trying to make money online and come back with the results. Pretty tall order I know, but I for one would really be interested in the actual stats. Facts speak louder than catch phrases...

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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

    You've seen this statement almost everyday, everywhere. Some even argued that it's >98%.
    Actually, the statement people generally make is that 97% of internet marketers will never make a full-time income online.
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  • Profile picture of the author fazlerocks
    If worked properly then one can easily run his daily life by internet marketing. I am a student and I easily make enough bucks to satisfy my needs. All one needs is correct focus and right direction!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
    I think that the percentage may be high, but I don't think that it is in the 90%+ range.

    You are also assuming that everyone in WF is an internet marketer and that every internet marketer is a part of WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

    You've seen this statement almost everyday, everywhere. Some even argued that it's >98%.

    If the above sentence is true, WF has 232,201 registered members as of this minute which means 227,556 humans are actually wasting their time here and will not make a single dime? Not forgetting there's 2x more guest than members browsing WF at each point of time.
    I would agree the percentage is way too high, but please do not equate the Warrior Forum readers with the general population of people trying to make money online.

    Two years ago when working as a Network Engineer I could have given you a list of 30 to 50 people who all told me they were trying to make money online and had ZERO success. I can guarantee you not one of those people is a Warrior. Some of them spent THOUSANDS of dollars buying packages promising them the world from cookie cutter sites, with cookie cutter lists of products, which never told them how to promote a thing.

    Even when I told many of these people they could make money writing, doing projects on Elance, etc...they looked at me like I was an alien from another planet.

    If you factor in all of the people who are never going to be a Warrior your percentage who never make money is going to be much higher than you would expect. They do not want to learn, they want instant income by putting up a blog talking about their family on Blogger with an Amazon Affiliate product listed on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dominium
    It's all because that people say it's so easy - it isn't, sorry.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    Those stats probably come from the fact that most give up...
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    Most of the time when people talk about or "quote"
    those theoretical statistics, it doesn't actually help
    anyone...in any way to aspire to succeed.

    How does believing that MOST people fail do YOU
    any good as an online marketer?

    It doesn't. Because it presupposes that the odds of
    having success for YOU is slim to none, so why try?

    And when you DON'T make money...you fall back on
    the statistic you WANT to believe is true...regardless
    if it is or not...to justify giving up before you start...
    anything.

    I worked at Macy's department store 2 years ago,
    and one guy complained about not making enough
    money.

    So, I gave him a solution. I said start a business.

    His excuse?

    "Well, why would I want to do THAT...95% of people
    who start a business fail -- ANYWAY"

    Kinda funny. But sad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teravel
    37% of cats are black
    41% of dogs are retrievers
    53% of text messages aren't delivered

    99% of statistics, are made up on the spot...
    Is 2% of the Internet Marketing community failing? Is it 3%? 5%? 10%? .05%

    The real question is... What % of Internet Marketers are putting in a real effort, and what % are looking for that 'Secret to Success'? It's not a secret...

    *Spoiler Alert* (If you don't want to be successful in Internet Marketing, don't continue reading)



    Do as the "Guru's" do, not what they tell you to do.

    Read the above statement a few times. Let it soak in. Internet Marketing isn't as difficult as everyone makes it out to be. You just have to stop thinking that it's this almost impossible thing. Then put forth a real effort to attain your goals by providing a "Useful" product or service.
    (I use the word Guru as a known term, and not a term I believe in)
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    Watch this all the way through. It just about sums up this post.

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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I'm the only one out of the people that I know that makes a living off IM.

    So the success rate is pretty low.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    It's a meaningless statistic.

    People starting in internet marketing today don't have
    a 3% chance for success... or 5% or any other set number.

    The truth is they have a 50/50 shot... and they get to decide
    which 50 it will be. They will either learn the required skills and
    apply them on a consistent daily basis or they won't.

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

    You've seen this statement almost everyday, everywhere. Some even argued that it's >98%.

    If the above sentence is true, WF has 232,201 registered members as of this minute which means 227,556 humans are actually wasting their time here and will not make a single dime? Not forgetting there's 2x more guest than members browsing WF at each point of time.

    Here's my doubt. I can understand if 98% do not make a living full time online or make very little money. But making a dime is so damn easy. All one need to do is to offer to write a crappy article for ONE buck and that will take you just 20 minutes. If you do not have the ability to write english at all, there are so many black hat stuff that will make you a buck easily albeit having your account banned etc.

    So IMO, >95% of Internet Marketers DO NOT make a dime online is just a sales pitch to instill fear in buyers.

    What say you?
    Actually, if it's a sales pitch, it's a pretty bad one. Why would you use a line that says most of you are going to fail ... but hey ... buy my product anyway?

    If you take all the members here and polled them, I imagine that most of them are not making any money and many won't ... ever. The goal isn't to make a dime. The goal is usually to make a full time living or at least some good pocket change part time.

    The forum threads are full of people desperately trying to make it ... but not doing it. Not everyone is cut out for writing either. Those whose first language is not English won't be as successful as English speaking writers, unless they've mastered English very well.

    Too many newbies see or hear about the massive amounts of money the gurus make and model their "business" efforts after that. That's a bad way to go, IMO, when you are starting out ... the Make Money Online niche.

    There are so many less saturated and profitable niches to get into and so many different ways to make money, but many swarm to the MMO niche.

    Then there are those who just jump from one system to the next, never really perfecting any of them. They are doomed to failure by doing that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      There are so many less saturated and profitable niches to get into and so many different ways to make money, but many swarm to the MMO niche.
      This is so true. The MMO niche is just a tiny corner of the internet marketing community as a whole. Yet for many folks it is the only niche they can see themselves making money in. Yet this myopic view is exactly what prevents them from seeing any meaningful success.

      If they truly paid attention they would see that a substantial number of people who sell to the MMO niche also earn money outside of the niche. But for some reason they believe that preaching to the choir is their only option.

      As far as the 95% number goes, I find that plausible.

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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Actually, if it's a sales pitch, it's a pretty bad one. Why would you use a line that says most of you are going to fail ... but hey ... buy my product anyway?
      It's part one of a very powerful pattern. Frank Kern uses it a lot.

      "97% of people just plain suck and are never going to make it."

      Wow, I sure hope I'm not one of them!

      "Those people are losers and failures and have sexual attractions to sheep."

      Well, that sure isn't me! I must not be one of those 97% at all!

      "If you are one of those people, don't buy my product."

      But... I'm not one of those people! That means I must buy the product! It will prove I'm not one of those people!

      This was all just a nice way for the salesman to say "If you don't buy my product, you f*ck sheep."

      When you come down to it, this is straight out of third grade.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        It's part one of a very powerful pattern. Frank Kern uses it a lot.

        This was all just a nice way for the salesman to say "If you don't buy my product, you f*ck sheep."
        lol ... I'm a lousy marketer. I would never have thought of this. I know I'm leaving millions on the table.
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      • Profile picture of the author bretski
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        "If you don't buy my product, you f*ck sheep."
        Ok...you made my Monday dude!...and I'm glad I bought your product.

        I do agree that the WF is not indicative of all those trying to make money online. You have to remember there are people out there doing that "read emails and make money" and "make money while you surf the web" crap. Failure rate is probably pretty close to 99%+ for those folks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

    If the above sentence is true, WF has 232,201 registered members as of this minute which means 227,556 humans are actually wasting their time here and will not make a single dime?
    Not so at all. That reasoning would be valid only if the registered members of the WF were representative of internet marketers in general. I hope and trust it's non-contentious to surmise that nobody in their right mind could conceivably assume that to be the case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jazzman
    The poster has a good point. I have seen statistics that say the same thing. You can't let that hold you back from trying to make money online though.

    Most of us will never make a million dollars, but I find that working online is enjoyable. Success is definitely within reach for anyone who is persistent and stays focused on their goals.
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  • Profile picture of the author CatherineC
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    95%, if anything, is low.

    Hard to believe, but 100% true.

    Remember, the definition of "making a dime" could be variable, which affects the percentage.

    In my mind, making a dime means turning a profit. If you spent $200 to get online and promote a product, making a dime would mean that you generated $200.10 in revenue before you decided to quit or throw in the towel.

    I have no doubt based on previous experience in other fields somewhat similar to IM, that 95% (and likey more) never make the money back from their original investment in a product (domains, hosting, WSOs that promise the moon, software programs, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc).

    Just like 95% of the people who go into the restaurant business don't. Or the car wash business. Or ANY business for that matter.

    The other 5% are working their butts off to get to a point where the cycle can sustain itself with less effort. There is no magic bullet.

    PS - No one is "instilling fear" to stay away from IM. If anything there are 100+ "gurus" spreading the gospel of their riches and how if you purchase their program/software/videos/whatever "you can easily make what I make too!". So that part also falls flat to me.

    After reading this post again I will say 99%. Much more accurate number than 95.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    This thread smells like something from a BlueFart tail.
    Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda Hasta be a fact... News Flash! 99.9% of percentage
    stats are flawed and the 1% in the un-flawed status can't be proved wrong.
    That doesn't mean they aren't actually wrong.

    Hens, Stats are what you make them. You're either determined and do what
    it takes to make it happen or you end up in the results as a lonely statistic.

    Have a Great Day!
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

      This thread smells like something from a BlueFart tail.
      Michael, the monkey link is dead.

      Well, the last 50% of it, anyway...

      ~Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author good2go4
    Statistics were meant to be manipulated; that is why people pull these figures out of the air. A lot of people get confused between making money online and making money by being an internet marketer and then still more people consider IM is online related only when of course it could also include offline efforts as well.

    To come anywhere near a true statistic on how many people in Internet Marketing Succeed (why focus on the negative??) you would have to first define just what the Internet Marketing niche is. Then you would have to get in touch with all of the people who are internet marketers under that definition; past and present; and find out what they then based their definition of success on so you could tell whether or not they "failed" - surely you can see just from this little blurb how silly that one blanket statement is...lol

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  • Profile picture of the author donkey097
    i think its true given that most people spend money setting there internet business up and then get disheartened when they dont make bucket loads of cash like the so called gurus say is so easy to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hanz
      Originally Posted by donkey097 View Post

      i think its true given that most people spend money setting there internet business up and then get disheartened when they dont make bucket loads of cash like the so called gurus say is so easy to do.
      It's not just the gurus saying it's easy. Even newbies who are coming into IM are going this route. They're trying to make it in IM simply by telling other newbies how to make money. Read a thread the other day from a fellow who had no real knowledge of IM. He was asking for suggestions on what money-making product to write about so he could sell it as a WSO.:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author dsprank
    The number may be correct, but that does not mean that you or I has to be that statistic.

    Don't think about it. Too many people will flop over and quit after a quick try while thinking that they don't have much of a chance in the first place. If you start to analyze these numbers, you may start to think that you belong in them just because most people would fit into it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
    The reason everyone fails is because they focus on the negative.

    If this forum has 200,000 members and 97% fail, that means there are 6,000 people on this forum alone that are making very good livings online.

    That is a lot of success if you ask me!
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    • Profile picture of the author dsprank
      Originally Posted by Terry Hatfield View Post

      The reason everyone fails is because they focus on the negative.

      If this forum has 200,000 members and 97% fail, that means there are 6,000 people on this forum alone that are making very good livings online.

      That is a lot of success if you ask me!
      Absolutely! Those 6000 members are focusing on their success and not the numbers. When you play baseball the worst thing you can do is look behind you after you hit the ball. Focus on the base, and get to it.

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    • Profile picture of the author Hanz
      Originally Posted by Terry Hatfield View Post

      The reason everyone fails is because they focus on the negative.

      If this forum has 200,000 members and 97% fail, that means there are 6,000 people on this forum alone that are making very good livings online.

      That is a lot of success if you ask me!
      I think I'm actually subscribed to every single marketer on Warrior. My inbox is overflowing.:p Roughly 200 emails received over the past 4 days alone which I've yet to read. But it's always fun receiving 20 emails in one day from 20 different marketers all telling me to buy the exact same product.
      What's even more fun is when I sell a product and the next day I have my own customers emailing me and selling me my own product which I originally sold them the day before, only they changed the cover and added some affiliate links. I guess I'm just glad they liked it and are making use of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
    I will go as far as to say that 99% of people in Internet Marketing don't make any money, at all. I will go as far as to say 97% don't make enough to even pay for their most basic overhead.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hanz
      Originally Posted by FaJeeb View Post

      I will go as far as to say that 99% of people in Internet Marketing don't make any money, at all.
      1% is still A LOT of people though.
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  • Profile picture of the author winsonlim
    This is my point of view based on experience. I have been in WF for 2 years and learning internet marketing since March 2007.

    I didn't really see much success stories since I joined the forum.

    It is like trial and error, I began creating squeeze page, outsourcing article writing and using buying keyword research software to do keyword research, creating my blog and creating videos, etc.

    I bought video tutorials on creating squeeze page, building my list and writing emails to build relationship with my list but I experience one BIG problem.

    That is not enough converting traffic.

    Successful people have strong Character.

    They don't give up, have a positive mindset, have visions, goals and dreams, know what they want in life and does not listen to others criticisms and BS.

    They focus on the direction they want to go and do whatever it takes to make it to the other side, making 5-6 Figures a month.

    They set goals, have a plan and a mission statement.

    They stick to their high standards of discipline and keep track of their progression.

    Every successful people, self-made millionaires are once a poor dude.

    What makes them successful is their strong Character that enables them to overcome any trials and challenges to reached their ultimate goal.

    I am just getting started and see fruits of my hard work and due diligence.

    I never give up and listened to any BS or criticisms.

    I press forward and keep trying for 3 years and I finally tasted the fruit of my results.

    I finally understood what it takes to make money online.

    It's the Character in us that we strive to build each day, exercising faith and never give up. Always have the firm belief that we will succeed one day. And the day will come when everyone will respect me and congratulate me of my perseverance and hard work.

    My take is few people actually made it.

    Winson
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    • Profile picture of the author abednego
      Originally Posted by winsonlim View Post

      This is my point of view based on experience. I have been in WF for 2 years and learning internet marketing since March 2007.

      I didn't really see much success stories since I joined the forum.

      It is like trial and error, I began creating squeeze page, outsourcing article writing and using buying keyword research software to do keyword research, creating my blog and creating videos, etc.

      I bought video tutorials on creating squeeze page, building my list and writing emails to build relationship with my list but I experience one BIG problem.

      That is not enough converting traffic.

      Successful people have strong Character.

      They don't give up, have a positive mindset, have visions, goals and dreams, know what they want in life and does not listen to others criticisms and BS.

      They focus on the direction they want to go and do whatever it takes to make it to the other side, making 5-6 Figures a month.

      They set goals, have a plan and a mission statement.

      They stick to their high standards of discipline and keep track of their progression.

      Every successful people, self-made millionaires are once a poor dude.

      What makes them successful is their strong Character that enables them to overcome any trials and challenges to reached their ultimate goal.

      I am just getting started and see fruits of my hard work and due diligence.

      I never give up and listened to any BS or criticisms.

      I press forward and keep trying for 3 years and I finally tasted the fruit of my results.

      I finally understood what it takes to make money online.

      It's the Character in us that we strive to build each day, exercising faith and never give up. Always have the firm belief that we will succeed one day. And the day will come when everyone will respect me and congratulate me of my perseverance and hard work.

      My take is few people actually made it.

      Winson
      I don't mean to take up room and quote your entire post - but the above two areas are the most overlooked, in my opinion.

      It amazes me how many people fear criticism - and do not even WANT constructive feedback. It's really the only thing that allows us to grow and improve our business.

      Also - being very performance driven, goals are essential. Long, mid, and short term goals should always be closely monitored and adjusted.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      Originally Posted by winsonlim View Post

      It's the Character in us that we strive to build each day,
      Yeah, those who use shirtless pictures of themselves as avatars certainly have the right character!
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      • Profile picture of the author forfun_cash
        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        Yeah, those who use shirtless pictures of themselves as avatars certainly have the right character!
        Words of wisdom. Great character there!
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        • Profile picture of the author cameronr
          I think the biggest issue people have when starting internet marketing is doing consistent action on a daily basis. Internet marketing is simple...not easy. It takes finding a system that works and repeating it over and over again.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
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      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      LOL such a simple route map but kind of sums everything up.
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      Here's the thing. The above may seem too good to be true but all I can say is there isn't even 1% hype or BS in the above sentence. This WILL BE YOUR LAST WSO to purchase.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hamza
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      LOL, it's been while now since i saw something that make sense, and a lot of it hhhh
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
    As for me 95% is way too high. If we will try to think of it, why are there a lot of people everyday, venture into internet marketing. Possible reason is that there is an oppurtunity to make money online. And I believe that oppurtunity can soon and easily be realize if action and focus will take place.
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  • Profile picture of the author jedediahd
    The statistic may well be true, but the warrior forum is not a good example of a sample size I don't think. It would be like saying 1 in 3 people in the US is fat, I am sure Kobe Bryant is like, damn, all my friends are in shape, wheres the fat folk?
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  • Profile picture of the author Hamza
    Well i don't know why do they still call them internet marketers even if they have never made any money online ...
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