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Crazy idea from a Newbie...

by Neildawg
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Hello Warriors!

I'd like to propose an idea to those of you who have been truly successful in the confusing and seemingly complex world of IM. I really don't know any other way of constructing this concept without a somewhat lengthy post here that paints the entire picture, so bear with me...

I dipped my toes into the world of IM (which seems to encompass a very broad range of techniques and strategies) a couple of years ago and felt like I had followed someone's system to the letter. It produced no results. At the time I really did feel as though I had a solid understanding of his methodology as well a well-executed plan. Now, in all fairness, I did it on a small scale to see if it really would result in something worth building upon. After all of the time and money invested, I abandoned it and didn't think about it again.

Over time, I have occasionally glanced at the offers from others with a certain amount of disdain and head-shaking. I only recently discovered this forum and spent a few dollars here and there to see what folks are doing and offering. At some point, I realized what I think is the fundamental problem and what bothers me most about the majority of offers presented to people wanting to break into this enigmatic world...

I have yet to see a product that FULLY explains how to build a sustainable income written from the viewpoint of someone with virtually no experience.

Please do not take offense to that last statement because in no way have I read or purchased every system or MMO offer in the web-o-sphere. I'm simply basing this on my limited experience and the assumption that there are very likely many more people like myself who have tried or dabbled in this and probably feel the same way I do. My other assumption regarding IM is that the most money to be made is by selling MMO systems to other people. That whole concept has always seemed a little "off" in my mind. I mean how can you feel good about starting out in the world of IM by trying to market your (obviously not yet proven) products to other people who are just starting out also? Maybe I'm just looking at it all wrong. I certainly won't be offended if you folks tell me I'm way off track.

So here's my proposal (which you may have already figured out if you've been reading between the lines): I would like to have someone with a proven track record and lots of patience to contact me so we can start from scratch and truly develop something that works for anyone who is sincere about building a career in this area. I want to create a step-by-step approach where nothing is left out and nothing is assumed from either perspective. There always seems to be important information left out of these things or assumptions made about existing knowledge. I also don't want the whole income-producing concept to revolve around the development of this tutorial (even though I'm certain it will be marketed in the future).

So, if you're still awake after getting this far and my writing skills seem worthy of a project of this scale, hit me up and let's discuss it further.

Neildawg
#crazy #idea #newbie
  • Profile picture of the author mitcoiv
    Hi Buddy,
    It's really frustrating when you can't get a starting point to progress from,
    however everyone has this hurdle at the beginning.

    In my opinion you can determine a period of research a decide what exactly type of IM biz you want to develop. There are a lot of free information out there.

    - Affiliate marketing, CPA (Click-per-action), e-mail marketing are one of the main opps.
    - Health, wealth and lifestyle are the top 3 niches you might consider entering but there is a very long tail of hundreds and thousands of niches with lower competition.

    Another thing. In order to learn some basics you may count on free courses and articles. And yes, there are paid courses which are worth too.

    Originally Posted by Neildawg View Post

    Hello Warriors!
    My other assumption regarding IM is that the most money to be made is by selling MMO systems to other people.

    Neildawg
    That's not 100% true since it's only one of the thousands niches in IM.

    All the best,
    Mitko
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken
    Have you considered The Challenge

    I'm not affiliated. Just think it's a good starting point for new IMers.

    Ken
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    • Profile picture of the author tonis
      I must agree with the thread creator.
      Most IM'ers sell WSO and REPORTS, courses etc etc on how to make money... but really not providing any quality content. I have read 100's of different books on different strategies and none of them are proven step-by-step guides. They are always telling that i made money like this and that... but leaving out the "crucial" points. Because noone wants to give away their "money maker" or they are selling strategies that are already old and not making any money at all...

      There are few people who really provide content... FEW!!

      Most of these WSO's all all the same, not to offend anyone but really they are. 2 out of 10 WSO's are really worth the money. others are mostly composed from information that is freely out there on the net.
      But gathering info into a ebook really is work and noone wants to work for free.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      I have yet to see a product that FULLY explains how to build a sustainable income written from the viewpoint of someone with virtually no experience.
      Fwiw, that product would be no better or no worse than all the rest of the products currently out there.

      The reason for that is simply this...

      One's own personal experience.

      You can't read your way to success, and no two people have the exact same dispositions, talents, drive, capacity, backgrounds, and a host of other factors that would allow for a single product to satisfy everyone.

      The bottom line is you need to understand that IM is about selling. It could be selling traffic to Google in exchange for Adwords dollars, or it could be selling leads to CPA networks, it could be selling chocolate to chocoholics, or it could be selling information products to the curious.

      Once you get that idea firmly planted in your brain the rest pretty much takes care of itself because the steps you will need to move forward will become self evident.

      That could be how to get traffic, or how to write powerful copy, or, or, or.

      But just blindly hoping to read about it all in one gigantic product would lead to information overload of the first magnitude.

      So let me ask you this..."What do you want to sell?"

      Because if you can't answer that question, it's "Game Over".

      ~Bill
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      • Profile picture of the author Neildawg
        Good stuff. Thanks to all of you who have responded thus far!

        I suppose my thinking might be off a little, or perhaps overly simplistic.
        I have been under the impression that "what I want to sell" has little relevance to building a successful IM business. I assumed I needed to figure out what markets were perhaps not being served and what I needed to do to meet the demand of those markets. Is internet marketing fundamentally different than offline marketing? I've seen the discussions about targeting something your passionate about versus targeting something purely on it's own market value.

        It just seems to me if I can read an instruction manual written for the masses about how to assemble a swingset or lawnmower or overly-elaborate (and ridiculously complicated) GI Joe battle station, it should be possible to create a technical manual on how to create a revenue from (insert IM concept here).

        I could be completely wrong and I certainly don't mind being informed of that fact. My kids do it pretty often.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Neildawg View Post

          It just seems to me if I can read an instruction manual written for the masses about how to assemble a swingset or lawnmower or overly-elaborate (and ridiculously complicated) GI Joe battle station, it should be possible to create a technical manual on how to create a revenue from (insert IM concept here).

          I could be completely wrong and I certainly don't mind being informed of that fact. My kids do it pretty often.
          I wish it were as simple as that. I mean a step by step instruction manual on how to assemble your child's bike works exactly the same way for every person who uses the manual if they actually follow the directions.

          In marketing, two people can buy the same ebook and have very different results. Unlike the bicycle blueprint, there is not Internet Marketing blueprint. Anyone who tells you there is ... is perhaps not telling you the truth.

          I have found that when I use an ebook and learn something I didn't know from it, and put it along with all of the things that I do know, the way I use the knowledge in the ebook is different from the way others will use it.

          And then there are ebooks that are pure garbage. And it's very difficult for a newbie to eliminate the hype and determine what is worth the money and what is not. That's why I always recommend not spending a ton of money early on.

          I would spend money on a course when I have read enough of other people's experiences, that I have a somewhat good idea of what direction I'd like to go in. What I'm actually interested in. The more interest you have in something, the more you will put into it.

          Don't be fooled by flashy headlines that tell you that you will make x amount of dollars in x amount of time and even a drooling ex-convict can do it ... in their pjs, no less. If it sounds kind of outrageous and too good to be true, it probably is.

          A much better way of buying WSOs is to participate in the forum and get to know people. Sooner or later, certain people will stand apart from the crowd and you'll get the idea that they might be honest, good marketers and you like what they have to say. Check out their signatures and see what they're offering. If they've earned your respect in the forum, you can probably count on the product being worth the money.

          These are just a few tips.

          > Hey Caliban < record this for me and consider it done
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by Neildawg View Post

          I have been under the impression that "what I want to sell" has little relevance to building a successful IM business. I assumed I needed to figure out what markets were perhaps not being served and what I needed to do to meet the demand of those markets. Is internet marketing fundamentally different than offline marketing? I've seen the discussions about targeting something your passionate about versus targeting something purely on it's own market value.
          One of the reasons people tell you to sell something that you can identify with, or you are passionate about, is because unlike all the crap floating around by folks telling you IM is so easy Forrest Gump's dumber cousin could easily master it, it's still a...wait for it...a job.

          The big difference is that you are hiring yourself so you get to be the boss. That's huge. But if you're not ready to be your own boss it can be a disaster or at least a huge waste of your time and money.

          Bidness is bidness, as they say, and IM is business.

          Try this, find something you are passionate about and try selling it. Forget all the other magic potions, the huge markets, the hungry crowds who will flock to your door, yadda, yadda, yadda.

          Just get out there and try to sell something. Anything.

          Now what will that accomplish for you?

          Well, for starters it will allow you to build up the necessary skills for when you switch out that product for a product that has a much greater appeal to the masses, and hence greater potential. So in essence, you will be trading all that 'paralysis by analysis' time that is nothing but a huge time-suck, for time that will actually prepare you for success.

          If you start out this way you won't have a need for an encyclopedic product, rather you will find you will learn step by step and those steps will be the same steps that will translate into useful steps once you're ready to tackle competing in crowded niches.

          If you start out in a crowded niche the competition will be brutal. That makes it hard to keep your enthusiasm up. PPC costs will be sky high, you'll have trouble ranking well, you won't make any more money than by being a big frog in a little pond.

          The clock is ticking...your choice.

          ~Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    You say you haven't made any money and you need a step-by-step guide. So what exactly would you be bringing to the table in a joint effort on a MMO product?

    I've heard more than newbie say that they need a step by step guide, which is really impossible to do. You'd have to start from the lowest denominator and that could be someone who just found out how to turn on a computer, and that's not a stretch either. The questions my customers ask me ... some of them ... imply a very low level of computer knowledge.

    There are some things you are going to have to do for yourself. Google is a very handy tool and if you find a system that you want to try, you might have to fill in the gaps yourself. That's what forums and search engines are for. Learning.

    What you are basically asking for is a free mentor, and you may not get that. Many of us are pretty busy on our own businesses. I recommend that you not look for any systems until you've read a lot of the forum and get a feel for what you might like to do. There's a lot of free information and many of us will answer your questions when asked.
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    • Profile picture of the author Neildawg
      Suzanne...you hit it pretty squarely on all fronts.
      (FWIW, this exercise is a HUGE part of the learning process for me and hopefully others)

      The joint venture and my only real offering would be writing the guide, which would have to include a baseline of fundamental computer skills so we have a real starting point for everyone involved. What makes it attractive in my mind is having it written by someone in a position reflective of those who are also starting out rather than by someone who may not remember all the little things that they learned during their own formative process.

      I agree that it wouldn't be easy and honestly maybe it's an unrealistic idea. I did say it was a crazy idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I think it would be impossible to have a product that explains how to create a sustainable income from the viewpoint of a newbie simply because there are just way too many things to explain.

    It would be huge and most people just don't have the capacity to digest a product that big and would be unsatisfied with it.

    There's a lot to making money online and each different aspect could be a whole course on it's own. Consider:

    1. Finding a niche
    2. Keyword research
    3. Competition analysis
    4. The techy stuff like making a website or blog
    5. The graphics for your blog/product
    6. Content creation - for your blog or product or both
    7. Optimizing your content for search engines
    8. Getting backlinks to your blog or website OR mastering PPC for traffic
    (just the getting the backlinks part could be many full ebooks each on various methods such as article marketing, social media marketing, document distribution, video marketing etc...)

    Plus there are so many different and changing variable on the internet that what works for one person or what works this week may not work for another person or next week.

    Lee
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  • Profile picture of the author MLMTraining
    Here's your blueprint...

    1. TRAFFIC - to a website that gets your visitors to opt in to your autoresponder
    2. CONVERT - have a instant sales offer that converts visitors into buyers
    3. INVITE - your customers to buy again through your emails or phone them
    4. REPEAT - repeat the above 3 steps until you earn the money you want

    The problem as I see it "in the industry" is NOT that everyone's systems don't work. In fact, the problem is in the implementation - which is up to the new person. It's the same reason why some people succeed like crazy in MLM and others think that MLM is the biggest scam in the world.

    And your attempt to create the PERFECT, ULTIMATE, SUPER AWESOME, NEWBIE FRIENDLY SYSTEM is a good endeavor, but you won't solve the actual problem. I encourage you to do it..yes, because there is always room for more help with new marketers coming into the IM space. However, don't think that you'll solve the problem.

    As I see it...the problem is: Implementation and Action on the part of the new person.

    If they learn, then implement and take continuous action on what they were taught...90% of the time they will become a success.

    I just completed 22 hours of Internet Marketing "how to" videos this summer which shows the newbie everything from setting up their accounts all the way to posting ads etc...if you want to partner with some of my content, feel free to contact me.

    Good luck with your project...and one final piece of advice if I can be so bold...don't spend 3 years developing the best system in the world. Get to market as quickly as you can because if nobody wants your product based on the sales message, you will have wasted a lot of time developing instead of helping others with it - as is your goal.
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