Censorship on the Warrior Forum

CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dsiomtw

Why are all the threads about "gurus" like Frank Kern and John Reese always censored and/or deleted?

Usually because they get nasty and people get all worked up into a lather over them.

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Kay King

14 years ago

...and because fussing about gurus is nothing more than gossiping about people you don't know. It does nothing to help you earn money yourself.

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Kevin Riley

14 years ago

The word "guru" has been outlawed. The acceptable words are "oh mighty one", "supreme being", "god" (although I hear that Steve Jobs is trademarking that one), and "lord of the Internet".

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

The word "guru" has been outlawed. The acceptable words are "oh mighty one", "supreme being", "god" (although I hear that Steve Jobs is trademarking that one), and "lord of the Internet".

I thought Al Gore was the "Lord of the Internet"

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

You know what the bigger problem is?

People behave here in a way that they would NEVER behave in somebody
else's home unless they were an absolute jackass. They seem to think that
because they're hiding behind a keyboard that they can say and do anything
that they like.

Imagine going into somebody's home and starting to bad mouth somebody
close to them.

Think they wouldn't toss you out?

You're lucky it's just the threads being deleted and not the person who
started them and contributed to their idiocy.

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JohnMcCabe 14 years ago

Whether it's online or off, there's a huge difference between "public property" and private property that's open to the public for a specific purpose. Take your average fast-food joint. Many people consider them as 'public property' because the general population can just walk through the door.

If you want to see just how 'public' they are, try going into one and setting up a food stand. Or start going from table to table and harassing the other people in the restaurant. You'll get tossed so fast you'll bounce.

It's exactly the same thing here. Allen set up a piece of his private property as a place the public can come for a specific purpose - in this case it's 'where we talk about making money'...

Start soliciting or harassing the other folks here, and you get bounced.

You can call it censorship if you want. I prefer to call it some of the best moderation I've seen in an online forum.

Originally Posted by SageSound

Who needs guru-bashing when every other commercial on TV is full of politicians bashing each other!

Sage, you get Florida TV all the way in Nevada? :p
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Gary King

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Riley

The word "guru" has been outlawed. The acceptable words are "oh mighty one", "supreme being", "god" (although I hear that Steve Jobs is trademarking that one)

Too late, Mr. Gates has that last one already registered.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

You know what the bigger problem is?

People behave here in a way that they would NEVER behave in somebody
else's home unless they were an absolute jackass. .

Yep. Bigger picture...

People are showing their true colors when they spend time with negative threads. Life's too short people. Take the ugly and turn it around, you don't even need an account over at flippa.

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Alan Petersen

14 years ago

Rule #1. It's not just gurus if anyone posts a thread whining about another warrior regardless of where they're at in the food chain that thread will also be zapped.

We just don't want hear about bitch-fests, I don't understand why people have such a hard time with that rule.

There are other mediums where you can go whine (your own blog, forum, other popular forums, twitter, facebook, etc.) why do folks insists on doing it here when it's not allowed. This is a privately owned forum if the admin doesn't allow it, that's that.

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Administrator 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

Rule #1. It's not just gurus if anyone posts a thread whining about another warrior regardless of where they're at in the food chain that thread will also be zapped.

We just don't want hear about bitch-fests, I don't understand why people have such a hard time with that rule.

There are other mediums where you can go whine (your own blog, forum, other popular forums, twitter, facebook, etc.) why do folks insists on doing it here when it's not allowed. This is a privately owned forum if the admin doesn't allow it, that's that.

Alan,

Certain type of people have a hard time with it because they feed on it, some seem to actually live on it. Anything negative, and I don't think it really matters what it is, as long as it is negative.

What a sad life to live constantly being consumed and used up by all that you hate...

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Kevin Riley 14 years ago

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What a sad life to live constantly being consumed and used up by all that you hate...

I hate that!
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Chris Worner

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dsiomtw

Why are all the threads about "gurus" like Frank Kern and John Reese always censored and/or deleted? There were several active threads about them this afternoon and now they're gone.

Just curious ... is this forum now owned by the "gurus" or something?

I'll probably be banned in 9...8...7...6...5...

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Administrator 14 years ago

Originally Posted by dsiomtw

Why are all the threads about "gurus" like Frank Kern and John Reese always censored and/or deleted? There were several active threads about them this afternoon and now they're gone.

Just curious ... is this forum now owned by the "gurus" or something?

I'll probably be banned in 9...8...7...6...5...

Sounds like you've been listening to some morons. You know, the ones who say we protect gurus and thieves and no telling what else.

Or, maybe you are a member of a forum full of people who say they like more freedoms. Ask them how that's working out for them :-) They will learn and if they grow to any decent size at all they will do the exact same things this forum does, or they will be overrun by idiots and whiners.

I don't know about you but I personally don't like crap filling the forum up, and all those you just mentioned are crap. A lot of people just don't get it and won't ever get it. Once a forum gets this size we HAVE TO eliminate junk like that or it will fill every single page.

The losers who like to constantly complain and cry can do it elsewhere...

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Thomas Stoker

14 years ago

Originally Posted by admin

I don't know about you but I personally don't like crap filling the forum up, and all those you just mentioned are crap. A lot of people just don't get it and won't ever get it. Once a forum gets this size we HAVE TO eliminate junk like that or it will fill every single page.

Sorry Allen, I didn't get that. Do you mean posts like this one?

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seamusb

14 years ago

Originally Posted by admin

I don't know about you but I personally don't like crap filling the forum up, and all those you just mentioned are crap. A lot of people just don't get it and won't ever get it. Once a forum gets this size we HAVE TO eliminate junk like that or it will fill every single page.

The losers who like to constantly complain and cry can do it elsewhere...

I think some people forget that this forum is run as private property, just the same way that most internet properties are. This is not a 'public' site (whatever that might mean). The owners of this forum are absolutely entitled to set up rules and regulations for their own online property.

You may not agree with the rules for posting and moderation and that is fine. Just go somewhere else

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Warrior Helper

14 years ago

Considering every thread about gurus usually ends up with a slamfest of guys trying to one up each other seeing who can throw the biggest slur around it's no wonder most of them are nuked quickly.

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paulie888

14 years ago

Because those threads typically devolve into vicious name calling and mud-slinging that is very similar to what you'd find in trashy tabloids like the National Enquirer.

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Kay King

14 years ago

The word "guru" has been outlawed.

I keep waiting for one of Allen's auto-switches that turns "guru" into "doofus".

Once that happens at least we'll have some entertainment to go with bluefarts.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I keep waiting for one of Allen's auto-switches that turns "guru" into "doofus".

Once that happens at least we'll have some entertainment to go with bluefarts.

HEY ALLEN!!!!!!(aka ADMIN) That is a GREAT IDEA! GURU=DOOFUS! I like it!

Steve

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Because they usually end up being a bunch of losers bashing gurus that they don't even know just because it seems to be the latest rage ... guru bashing. It's unproductive and useless and does the forum no good.

It seems to be a Warrior Forum sport. GooRoo Bashing. I'd delete them too if it were my forum.

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mikemcmillan

14 years ago

Everyone likes to think they are a rung above the average person out there. There are two ways to do that. One is to bust your tail, work hard learning your trade, and build something that earns substantial income. That takes time and effort.

The other option many use is to grab the guys above and through name calling and insult, try to pull them down into the tacky oleum of failure where so many reside. This requires less work, less time and less effort.

If the people bitching about the gurus spent that time on the task of building their online business they would be further ahead.

While I'm on it, 99.999% of people would behave exactly as the bad boy gurus do were they in their shoes. They write the hype-filled sales pages feeding the proletariat the red meat they crave because that's what people want. They write those sales letters using a 5th grade reading level because that's the mentality of their target audience. And guess what? It works.

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Matt MacPherson

14 years ago

As stated above, it's because the threads usually deteriorate to the point you would think it was a YouTube comments area. People naturally like to complain, gossip and generally be negative. This forum is for adults who want to talk about internet marketing. I'm happy it's kept that way.

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SageSound

14 years ago

Who needs guru-bashing when every other commercial on TV is full of politicians bashing each other!

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Kevin_Hutto

14 years ago

I say more censorship! There is a lot of stuff that the guys are super patient with and could easily knock people off of here for...

I think that people rarely GET that posting here is not a "right" ala life liberty and the pursuit of happiness...

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Barry Unruh

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dsiomtw

Just curious ... is this forum now owned by the "gurus" or something?

Are you trying to call Allen a Guru, or are you saying he is a "something"?

I always find it humorous when someone talks about the Warrior Forum protecting "gurus", I can distinctly remember one guru making it quite clear he thought the Warrior Forum was not worth spending time on.

(I'm guessing it had something to do with wanting to keep people in his sales funnel, not on WF.)

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dsiomtw

Why are all the threads about "gurus" like Frank Kern and John Reese always censored and/or deleted? There were several active threads about them this afternoon and now they're gone.

Just curious ... is this forum now owned by the "gurus" or something?

I'll probably be banned in 9...8...7...6...5...

Two quick points:

1. The same rules that protect the "gurus" may also protect you from someone slinging "mud" in your direction some day.

2. Where's your site? Since you don't "censor", I'd like to be able to post anything I want on your site.

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Matthew Iannotti 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Two quick points:

1. The same rules that protect the "gurus" may also protect you some day from someone slinging "mud" in your direction some day.

Well said..
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jazbo

14 years ago

I think the evidence that people are waking up and challenging the "guru's" and the "systems" and the general "sell to the sellers" mentality of IM is a great thing.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jazbo

I think the evidence that people are waking up and challenging the "guru's" and the "systems" and the general "sell to the sellers" mentality of IM is a great thing.

Agreed but it doesn't have to get personal and in fact its more powerful when it isn't. Its not so much the challenging of the "gurus" its the awakening that you have to use your own grey matter and add your own ingenuity to whatever it is you learn.

The education doesn't set in when you say look at this or that "guru" its when you finally realize there is no push button system to success. When theres no more believers in the secret path the demand for it will dry up. the demanders create the gurus.

Greed is not only wanting too much. Its wanting it without earning it. too often (but not always) those that complain are those who wanted it handed to them who think success is bought by small currency rather than large effort.

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jazbo

I think the evidence that people are waking up and challenging the "guru's" and the "systems" and the general "sell to the sellers" mentality of IM is a great thing.

That's what the review forum here is for. Reviewing specific products. That isn't what's happening in the guru bashing threads.

What's happening is people are making broad general insults to gurus in general, painting all with the same brush. Just like any other segment of the market, there are good and bad and to insult an entire category of sellers based on one experience or just hearsay is just filling the forum up with "hate" posts.

I hate gurus. I haven't made a dime in 2 years and gurus suck. That does nothing for the forum or anyone. Doesn't even tell what this guy has done and hasn't done. It's just a blame game. I failed ... so it must be someone's fault ... other than mine, of course.

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Robert Puddy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jazbo

I think the evidence that people are waking up and challenging the "guru's" and the "systems" and the general "sell to the sellers" mentality of IM is a great thing.

Really this shows a lack of understanding of the IM niche

Thats what IM is about selling systems to those that want to make money selling things

Thats the market, and its there becuase of the demand for it

and its a fact the systems work, its people that fail

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Because those posts are so blessedly irrelevant, it isn't funny.

The thing is, they COULD be posted in a way that would be relevant, and steer the conversation in a constructive manner, but they hardly ever are.

BUT...

The very FACT that this thread is still here PROVES your assertion is faulty. However, you're right, censorship happens here all the time. You just need to get used to it.

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Rus Sells

14 years ago

I never ceases to amaze me why people insist on breaking the rules on a forum that is privately owned.

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Administrator 14 years ago

Originally Posted by roblawrence

What determines if a thread on here gets locked vs deleted? Seems arbitrary with no clear set rules? Can we have an open and frank discussion?

What you're really asking is, "can we act with no rules and no limits whatsoever?"

The answer to that is no.

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Kim Davis

14 years ago

Do you really want to sit around and waste time reading non value added rubbish about anything or do you want to be productive and add value to your business. What Allen is doing by getting rid of the rubbish for us is giving us time to add value to our business which is what this forum is for.

People that bash others are people that are screaming out their own insecurities. Confident people like to make others feel good about their accomplishments and their attempts.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by dsiomtw

Why are all the threads about "gurus" like Frank Kern and John Reese always censored and/or deleted? There were several active threads about them this afternoon and now they're gone.

Just curious ... is this forum now owned by the "gurus" or something?

I'll probably be banned in 9...8...7...6...5...

Because censorship is fun!!

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Thomas Stoker

14 years ago

Allthough way off-topic; great post!

What does Kimosabe mean?

Originally Posted by teaball

censorship prevents forum food fights, which the owner always has to clean up after ... that gets old real fast.

I have seen this new product touted by all the guru's and their wannabe guru buddies. they are selling it hard in emails ... "it's slick and it's free" ...

it may be great software, it may be slick, BUT it ain't free. it's $99 a month. You don't own it and never will. Put your website on it and if you don't make money, your content is there but essentially gone. That ain't free either.

Launch your product there or put a membership/continuity setup on it and if it doesn't go, you're screwed. That ain't free.

But every guru says that it is free.

My rules for most guru products:
1.)If they are selling what they have been using for ___ years, offer all this great proof, then it probably has outlived its usefulness for them.

2.) Wait 5 minutes, 5 days, 5 months, and the price will get closer to FREE.

The thing that really bugs me about this latest whizzbang superdooper sure-thing (sounds like Kimosabe) is that in concept it is soooo 2005. It's so late to the party ... so absurd in concept ... being sold so hard by "super" affiliates ... only the newbies will buy it.

Another marketer has a similar product, an annual membership software license, with the same concept flaw. It used to be just like the one above ... that is, monthly payments and hosted on their server. If you stop paying, your site is not functional ... dead. Now you can buy a yearly license fee for the same price of software you can OWN!!!

The solutions delivered by alternative vendors show how easy it is to accomplish the same thing without the guru heralded things ... like these simple web design/WP template/CMS product that YOU ACTUALLY OWN!!

Some of these products are free ... I mean really free. Some have a modest cost and have ongoing support by the authors. (Wow! What a concept.)

There's a platform vendor with a variety of affiliate tracking, CMS, really nice offer/payment assortment ... but again, you don't own it. You stop paying, your site is gone.

I totally believe in the continuity form for marketing on the internet and have been doing it for a long time.

But I'm willing to do the upfront work to learn the how to use the software that I own. I see no purpose, no value, no ROI, in being a $100 a month member of a membership platform of some sort.

You just watch. that Kimosabe slick/free for 99 a month thing will vanish ... then return as a rebundled super whizbang "we are launching ____! Get the prelaunch/beta tester version ... we want feedback ... blah, blah" "We may not re-open it ever"

Some day, somebody will do a monster launch just like Paul Myers just did it a week or so ago. Straight to the point, clean, clear, affordable, with obvious value.

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humbledmarket

Banned 14 years ago

Generally it gets too personal and thus conflicting with one of the forum rules. I guess the owner allen wants to keep this forum as clean as possible which has succeeded. Have you seen some other internet marketing forums?!?

Either way we're here to learn, encourage, assist, and converse about im related stuff not taking this as our personal marketing grounds or conflict resolution or rants. The odd rants are find but spare the names. I guess it's just being polite. Just my take.

Also going personal usually creates grudges and arguments and things man rather avoid. It just distracts us; many waste hours on this forum but at least they're being relatively productive with learning post and not personal fights.

I notice this forum have kept a good effort to keep quality, informative, and good threads in the top where peopel can be benefited and educated. They do the cleaning so it saves your time.

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JayXtreme

14 years ago

Is there a way to follow a thread in the WF, without having to post in it?.... I'd like to watch the ones like this that might get interesting...

Without having to post in... ooooops... I already did

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Jeffery

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

Is there a way to follow a thread in the WF, without having to post in it?.... I'd like to watch the ones like this that might get interesting...

Without having to post in... ooooops... I already did

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Second menu > Thread Tools > Subscribe to this thread.

Jeffery 100% :-)

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Keith Boisvert 14 years ago

People want attention. We see it with other types of threads. As soon as someone posts "I need help with Facebook", 10 other people start a thread about Facebook.

It goes with "guru" threads as well. And, as stated, its frickin pointless. It always turns into a bashfest, and does no one any good.

If you want drama, go post the "Days of Lives" forum. If you want to make money, post here.

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14 years ago

One thing I have learned, for me personally, is to own my own products and market them myself. This way I am solely responsible to my customers. There are times I recommend other people's products or services, but only if I use the product/service myself. In this way I can be honest to myself and my clients.

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Keith Boisvert

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Black Magick

Basically, it's cool for all the bitter "veterans" come on here complaining about everything and everyone. But if it's the other way around, they say that you're whining.

Really? I must have missed those. Although I have seen some veterans complain about cocky newer members that complain about bitter veterans.

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Caleb Spilchen

14 years ago

I am going to let you guys in on a secret...

Forums are owned and run by the forum owner who may have other people working for them, they can lock threads, delete them, smash them, close them, pretty much do anything to them, because they own the forum. It's there site, it's like how if you have a website, you can do anything on it.

I get my threads locked/deleted etc every couple days, and it's just a part of life... I've been banned from forums, it's a part of life. You just gotta be nice, and go with the flow.

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

In reality, this forum gives the benefit of the doubt to a lot of people who might not deserve that courtesy.

It's not just Guru bashing threads ... it's negativity in general

It's the ass monkeys who cry that the forum is being run like a dictatorship because their thread was deleted

The jerks who think they should be able to say anything they want to in someone's private forum with impunity because of some "rights" they think they have that they don't really have

Yesterday I saw people whining about an ad that showed up on the Warrior Forum. How dare the site owner show me an ad. Give me a break.

Consider this. If you come to my house and act in a manner that I object to, I will boot you out so fast you won't know what hit you. If you come into someone's forum who has built a valuable site from the ground up and litter it with your trash, you should expect the same thing.

Doesn't always happen because the site owner will often give people the opportunity to turn it around, but he doesn't have to do that. It's easier just to get rid of bad actors than to try to educate them.

Just because you feel that your little gem of a contribution is priceless, does not mean that it is or that it is good for the forum. Too many negative threads and this place turns into a mean spirited bitch fest and valuable members disappear because it's just too depressing to wade through it.

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Caleb Spilchen

14 years ago

When I click on page two it takes me to page one?

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mattlaclear 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen

When I click on page two it takes me to page one?

me too Caleb.
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Kael41

14 years ago

Page 2 works for me..

I'll throw my 2 cents in to this mix since we're being open and honest.

Pure negativity threads for the mere sake of being negative - doesn't accomplish much. There IS a products/services review area on this site that should get used, and does, thankfully.

I think a lot of the public backlash that some of these "gurus" get is due to the fact of the pure unadulterated bull**** they peddle oftentimes. True, they're getting a cut due to promoting whatever product they want to put their name too, but many times it's regurgitated crap that often fails to deliver on it's promises.

Now, i'm speaking in generalities of course. I've been in this game far too long to take a stab at someone because they're pushing the "latest and greatest" when in fact the latest and greatest is 70% garbage/20% regurgitation/5% helpfulness/5% spin on an established process or protocol.

Frankly I ignore people who regard other people as guru's. Instead, I'll deep dive into promotion methods to add to my already established arsenal. Look to how a message is conveyed, not to WHAT the message is.

There are some fantastic services/products that ARE made available, and I challenge everyone to go find them. Here's a hint: rarely do they come from the gurus themselves. The innovative software or an unseen trick of the trade will more likely come from someone who has floated beneath the radar for awhile. Dig and you shall find.

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Caleb Spilchen

14 years ago

Now it's letting me go to page two.. I think it over calculated the post count. Possibly the WF, deleted a post (how ironic) in this thread, and since you can't really rebuild the caches of a couple million post forum, vBulletin still recognized it as two pages.

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julesw

14 years ago

I noticed one thread that was closed, people were debating about whether to buy a product and asking for advice and feedback from beta testers and others in the know but the thread was closed because it was a not yet launched product therefore thread was promoting it?

surely the point of a community is to help inform others about to take the plunge?

most people just wanted to get peer advice and were not promoting it.

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AFI

14 years ago

I got a couple of my threads deleted too because apparently you're not allowed to report negative experiences with a product. I get that. I don't want to sling mud on anyone, I was just trying to say "buyer beware" to others.

But then my second thread got deleted when I was asking if anyone had ever used this particular service. I'm still unclear why that thread was deleted but I think it has something to do with the fact that it was a backlinks service.

So THEN I posted a thread simply asking why my threads were getting deleted (so I could avoid doing whatever I did again in the future). A few people gave me some replies and surprise! That thread got deleted too. I really just wanted some clarification on what topics to avoid since I'm new.

I'm just trying to figure out the rules around here. I WANT to follow the rules and become a productive member of this forum, but I think if someone gets an infraction or their thread get deleted, they should be PMed and told why it happened so they know what not to do the next time.

Now watch, this post will get deleted.

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by AFI

I got a couple of my threads deleted too because apparently you're not allowed to report negative experiences with a product. I get that. I don't want to sling mud on anyone, I was just trying to say "buyer beware" to others.

But then my second thread got deleted when I was asking if anyone had ever used this particular service. I'm still unclear why that thread was deleted but I think it has something to do with the fact that it was a backlinks service.

So THEN I posted a thread simply asking why my threads were getting deleted (so I could avoid doing whatever I did again in the future). A few people gave me some replies and surprise! That thread got deleted too. I really just wanted some clarification on what topics to avoid since I'm new.

I'm just trying to figure out the rules around here. I WANT to follow the rules and become a productive member of this forum, but I think if someone gets an infraction or their thread get deleted, they should be PMed and told why it happened so they know what not to do the next time.

Now watch, this post will get deleted.

Hi Jennifer,

It has been stated multiple times, in multiple threads that the mods do not offer explanations of why threads get deleted. There are so many that get deleted, that it simply wouldn't be practical to do so.

Furthermore, it's not the role of the mods to explain the rules, it's our job to understand them.

Where it gets tricky are the unwritten rules. These are also necessary because for every rule that's written down, people will try to find a loophole. At some point it becomes an exercise in futility.

There are exceptions to the above points, but they are just that...exceptions.

The best thing to do is forget it and move on.

All the best,
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Rod Cortez

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dsiomtw

Why are all the threads about "gurus" like Frank Kern and John Reese always censored and/or deleted? There were several active threads about them this afternoon and now they're gone.

Just curious ... is this forum now owned by the "gurus" or something?

I'll probably be banned in 9...8...7...6...5...

With the members being moderators it's nearly impossible to say why they get deleted. If enough people report the thread it will eventually get nuked. I'm sure in some cases there were threads that should not have been deleted because of the way some members may have interpreted the rules.

Having written that, the overriding rule of the forum is that if you have an issue with anyone, a guru, or God take it up with them and not in this forum. If anyone starts naming specific names then chances are that thread is going to get nuked. I realize that people want to know about scammers and avoid getting ripped off, but it's a double-edged sword. If that rule was not in place then people can (and have) make false accusations.

I know of one member who reports nearly any thread that has the word "guru" in it and I've advised him via Skype that that is not conducive to this community. Hopefully he listens. Granted that not one single member can report a thread and have it nuked because it takes a certain number of those, but I would find it hard to believe that he is the only guy who thinks this way.

I'm not sure if this is how it's going to stay from now on or if Allen is seeing how it pans out. Either way, I've stopped wondering why threads get deleted a long time ago because it's a losing battle and that energy is better spent building my business and grinding my coffee beans.

RoD

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SteveJohnson 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

...because it's a losing battle and that energy is better spent building my business and grinding my coffee beans.

RoD

I know of a couple of places you could outsource your bean grinding to. May free up a little of your time, depending on how much coffee you drink...

BTW - Thanks for your "Before You Quit...!" piece. It has a special place right beside my monitor and is even on its second printing (workplace coffee incidents, you know).
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- bretski 14 years ago
  
  Ahhhh! It's good to see this stuff crop up again and a rehash of the of the same ole same ole...nothing like beating a dead horse or explaining the obvious once again...although with some very entertaining comments added in this time, I must admit!
  
  Miserable people love misery. It makes them feel warm and comfortable. I know that when I am at my worst a little office gossip, backstabbing and general character assassination boosts my ego and makes me feel better about myself. That is, until I get my head out of my butt...then I feel like crap.
  
  Look at it this way. Mods are doing you a favor by deleting crap that you will later regret. I wish I could do the same with my life from time to time but in the "real world" harsh words are like a bullet....you can't take that piece of hot lead back once it exits the barrel of a sniper rifle...
  
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Ken Strong

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

With the members being moderators it's nearly impossible to say why they get deleted. If enough people report the thread it will eventually get nuked. I'm sure in some cases there were threads that should not have been deleted because of the way some members may have interpreted the rules.

Unless I'm mistaken, posts don't actually "disappear" completely when members moderate them -- they just become invisible and are sent to a moderation queue for a mod to look at them and make the final decision. If the mod doesn't feel they don't deserve to be deleted, they will usually be reinstated.

However, I'm guessing that's pretty rare -- usually when that many members report a post it deserves to be gone.

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Ken

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dsiomtw

Why are all the threads about "gurus" like Frank Kern and John Reese always censored and/or deleted? There were several active threads about them this afternoon and now they're gone.

Do not Confuse your personal feelings about how things
should be with how they really are.

The fact is you are not needed here. I am not needed here.
I can count on one hand , perhaps one finger, the number of
people needed here.

If any of us are banned we will be missed by very few of the
233,000+ members, and those few will get over it or go elsewhere
to do their complaining.

The most important part of forum membership is understanding
where you fit into the other members world. Just as important
is where the forum itself fits into your life.

We all have lives away from the forum and most us of have
enough negatives to handle daily without coming here
to listen to more.

The majority of us come here to garner or impart marketing knowledge,
not listen to complaints about some poor guru having his/her post deleted.
They'll get over it and you should too.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Do you know what I find absolutely fascinating about this thread? Not that
it's still going on or hasn't been nuked yet. No, what I find fascinating, and I
guess this comes from being here long enough to see this stuff come up
every once in a while, is...

1. Who comes to the defense of the forum.

2. Who comes on the attack, declaring foul as if they really believe that
they have free speech here.

3. Who is sick and tired of seeing this conversation come up time and time
again.

If you look at the names, you'll notice it's the same people each time. I
can almost predict who will attack, who will defend and who will pretty
much either be disgusted or amused by the whole topic.

It's almost like a scene out of "Groundhog Day."

(Didn't I already do this before? :confused

After a while, one starts to wonder if we're ever REALLY making any
progress or if we're just rehashing the same thing over and over, kind of
like a lot of those IM products that so many people complain about because
there is nothing new in them.

Please note that I am not taking sides here. Yes, I have my personal
opinion about forum censorship, as this thread is calling it, but that's
irrelevant to my point.

So having said that, one has to wonder if one is better off staying out
of these debates and simply attending to their business.

Does it make a real difference pointing out to the members who think
that they can do anything they like here that they can't?

Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't.

But if it made a REAL difference, would we still be having these debates?

Sure, maybe we'll convert a few who will ultimately "get it" but then there
will always be new members to replace them.

It's a treadmill that gets tiring after a while.

That's why I have a ton of respect for the Warriors who have come to
this thread to make it clear, under no uncertain terms, that this is not
a democracy and if you don't like the way the forum is run, you can go
play someplace else.

It's really that simple.

Yes, I do find this thread absolutely, as Mr. Spock would say...fascinating.

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Kay King 14 years ago

Steven - You know how it goes. People join and are so excited they begin trying to find things to start threads about - and forget to read the rules first.

It's not gonna change because it's normal human behavior. It's part of the forum landscape. Which reminds me I have some weeds to pull before it gets dark:p

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