Do you think I can write?

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Hey everybody, Currently I am in a situation where I need quick money.

I want to work as a ghost writer, but since English is not my first language, I am feeling a bit nervous.

So I want you to check out the article I have written at
3 simple steps to create a killer info product

And let me know what you think of it? And how much should I start charging my customers per article based on my current writing skills.

( I am thinking of charging 2$ for a 400 words article as an introductory price).

I can write at least 6-10 unique articles per day.

I Need your help brothers
#ghost writer #write
  • Profile picture of the author Vusal
    Lots of small paragraphs was what I didn't like but overall it is ok, and I think you can write

    Can you write some articles for me? $2 per article.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Your written English is a lot better structured than a lot of native-English speakers!

    I think you are slightly under pricing yourself. You could go on fiverr.com and sell a 400 word article easily, so your rate should be $4 at least, perhaps $1-1.50 per 100 words.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Anoopchawla View Post

    let me know what you think of it?
    We've discussed this a few times before, haven't we?

    With apologies and embarrassment at repeating myself, I'm afraid it stands out a mile from your writing that English isn't your first language. Your article's packed solid with grammatical, idiomatic and stylistic mistakes. Any one of them wouldn't be such a giveaway on its own, but I'm afraid the collective impression they give really isn't a good one at all:-

    1. "I will take you by hand" should be "I will take you by the hand".

    2. "spoon feed all three concepts in this article" should be "spoon-feed you with all three concepts ..."

    3. The next sentence, with the words "if there is no market", has a period after the condition clause with the outcome-clause in the next sentence.

    4. "Your efforts will remain in the vein" is completely wrong. First, it's "in vain", not "in the vain". Secondly, "vein" and "vain" are two different words with two different meanings.

    5. In the next paragraph, the comma should be after "solutions" rather than after "market" (you're splitting off the wrong part of the sentence at the moment).

    6. In the next paragraph, "Sales page has a lot to do" should be "The sales page has a lot to do" or perhaps "Your sales page has a lot do do".

    7. Again, in the following paragraph, where you say "This is what sales page should be designed to do", you should refer either to "the sales page" or "your sales page".

    8. "Most business file bankruptcy" should be "most businesses file bankruptcy".

    9. You've written "than" instead of "then" in the sentence "If only they could have got more prospects than ..." (and you also need a comma after the word "prospects", strictly speaking).

    10. The line in bold saying "Three main source of free traffic" should say "Three main sources of free traffic" or even "The three main sources of free traffic".

    11. The sentence that says "Getting into the right market will guarantee that there are customers you only need to search for them" should be two separate sentences, or at least have some punctuation-mark after the word "customers": at the moment the words "customers you only need" looks like an expression describing/qualifying the noun "customers".

    12. "Creating a right sales page" should be "creating the right sales page".

    13. "you’ll be able to create such a product that will dominate almost any niche" should be either "you’ll be able to create such a product that it will dominate almost any niche" or just "you’ll be able to create a product that will dominate almost any niche" (without the word "such").

    Please don't imagine I'm listing all these mistakes for the sake of criticising you, Anoop. I like you, and I want to help you. But as I said the last time you asked about here your writing skills in English and whether you should be trying to make a living from them, I honestly think you have something of an uphill struggle on your hands, and I know you have other computer skills which might more readily translate into a viable source of income.

    I can only suggest that the people above who are praising your writing and suggesting higher prices haven't actually read it all the way through and just weren't aware that there are 13 mistakes in it, and are trying to be charming and polite to you.

    I'm afraid you may be in for some disappointment if you follow their advice.

    Sorry! Please excuse my honesty and openness in offering my opinion once again, but people telling you that "your English is better structured than that of a lot of native English speakers" simply don't know what they're talking about and clearly haven't really read your article. Sometimes a more attentive response and some honesty is actually kinder and more useful, in the long run.

    (I see one or two of those laudatory posts above mine have suddenly been deleted, now!).

    Some constructive advice: I think you should look through the "Warrior for hire" section here, and the equivalent parts of other forums, and write out for yourself a list of everything to which you say "I can do that". And think about marketing those skills instead of your writing. There are hundreds of IM skills needed, for which people pay much higher prices than $2 for a 400-word article. Can you install Wordpress and add plug-ins and fiddle with the title and all that other stuff, for example? I paid a Warrior a whole lot more than $2 to do that, last week. And so on and so forth. You have marketable skills - but you may struggle to earn a lot writing articles in English.
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    Alexa,

    I really appreciate your HONEST and constructive advice/opinions no matter how painful it might be to whoever receives it.

    OP, I'm not a native English speaker too but please follow the sincere advice of Alexa Smith and you will never regret that you did. Why?

    She is one writer in this forum that I respect so much. Please listen to what she has told you.

    Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
    I second what King Shiloh said about Alexa. She said everything I would have and more. Her advice is very well worth listening to.

    It's hard to take criticism now, but it's even harder to take criticism when it's directed at you from a buyer who wants a refund.
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      I would just add - be careful that the title of your article(s) matches the content.

      Your title promises 3 steps to creating an info product. Your article talks about promotion and traffic generation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
      Originally Posted by Zabrina View Post

      I second what King Shiloh said about Alexa. She said everything I would have and more. Her advice is very well worth listening to.

      It's hard to take criticism now, but it's even harder to take criticism when it's directed at you from a buyer who wants a refund.
      Exactly. Please don't take this personally, Anoopchawla. You asked for help, and we're trying to help you. Several of us here are professional writers who have worked with private clients and know what they're expecting. Perhaps you've worked with them, too. But at any rate, it's easier to make a few changes and improve now before you end up editing a lot of your work - which cuts into your earnings.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by Anoopchawla View Post

    So I want you to check out the article I have written at 3 simple steps to create a killer info product

    And let me know what you think of it? And how much should I start charging my customers per article based on my current writing skills.

    ( I am thinking of charging 2$ for a 400 words article as an introductory price).

    I can write at least 6-10 unique articles per day.

    I Need your help brothers
    Can you take a hot tech news topic and research it from current articles and write a unique article on it passed by Copyscape and do it in the same day or no more than 24 hrs at that price?

    If so, let's get started. Your minor mistakes will be run through the editor (me) and corrected, but your article is pretty good for that price. Email me at suzbuc AT gmail DOT com if this sounds good to you. I need articles quickly for my online tech magazine.
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  • Profile picture of the author fazlerocks
    Hey Dude!

    Your price is alright but you need to focus more on the content. I found the structure a bit loose and could be better if certain things are kept in mind.

    Being Native English or not a big deal. You should know "what and how" to write.

    Well, Best Wishes!
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  • Profile picture of the author Anoopchawla
    Hmm... I am still confused. some of you say I can some say I can't.

    Okay so those of you who think I should not write articles for others
    Will you buy a product from a guy whose English is not so good but he is giving jam packed info in his info product.

    Also remember I would be writing copy for my product myself.

    Does copy with grammatical errors annoys you so much that you won't even buy from that guy?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by Anoopchawla View Post

      Hmm... I am still confused. some of you say I can some say I can't.

      Okay so those of you who think I should not write articles for others
      Will you buy a product from a guy whose English is not so good but he is giving jam packed info in his info product.

      Also remember I would be writing copy for my product myself.

      Does copy with grammatical errors annoys you so much that you won't even buy from that guy?
      It would not stop me from buying but I would know that I'd have
      to do a fair amount of editing before I'd offer it for public consumption.

      At the price you stated I'd be willing to do some amount of editing so I
      think you're in the ball park if the content is good.

      Tsnyder
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    • Profile picture of the author Owen Smith
      Originally Posted by Anoopchawla View Post

      Hmm... I am still confused. some of you say I can some say I can't.

      Okay so those of you who think I should not write articles for others
      Will you buy a product from a guy whose English is not so good but he is giving jam packed info in his info product.

      Also remember I would be writing copy for my product myself.

      Does copy with grammatical errors annoys you so much that you won't even buy from that guy?

      Your last post was full of errors, I would concerntrate on something else.

      Regards
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    • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
      Originally Posted by Anoopchawla View Post

      Hmm... I am still confused. some of you say I can some say I can't.

      Okay so those of you who think I should not write articles for others
      Will you buy a product from a guy whose English is not so good but he is giving jam packed info in his info product.

      Also remember I would be writing copy for my product myself.

      Does copy with grammatical errors annoys you so much that you won't even buy from that guy?
      Here's the problem - you may know everything there is to know about your product, your niche, and how to market it. However, the way to prove that (and to set yourself apart from your competitors) is through good content. Having the information isn't enough; you need the proper grammar, spelling, and vocabulary to prove that you're credible.

      Unfortunately, grammatical errors show that you make mistakes. A buyer may certainly wonder what other mistakes you're making, or may not take you seriously if you can't get the wording right on your own website.

      With all of the competition out there, you don't want to do anything that makes you look less credible. Grammar mistakes might mean very little to you, but to a potential customer, those mistakes can give them the perfect reason to head to another site that offers the same great information - without the distracting errors.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
      Originally Posted by Anoopchawla View Post

      Hmm... I am still confused. some of you say I can some say I can't.

      Okay so those of you who think I should not write articles for others
      Will you buy a product from a guy whose English is not so good but he is giving jam packed info in his info product.

      Also remember I would be writing copy for my product myself.

      Does copy with grammatical errors annoys you so much that you won't even buy from that guy?
      Hi Anoopchawla.

      Don't be confused. Because of where you're writing this, you're going to get an interesting cross section of responses, and not all of them are going to be 100% relevant to you.

      So then...

      1) Your writing is not going to impress professional writers. I'm sorry that this is true, but it most assuredly is. But take heart! Professional writers aren't in the market for your services, anyway.

      2) Your writing is not going to impress website owners (or marketers) who rely on professional quality writing. This is slightly more important, because these guys make up a segment of the market that pays well, but will, alas, be shut off to you. But again, take heart! They weren't going to be looking for your services, either, truthfully. They'll be expecting to pay more than you're asking, and will be expecting to receive something different from what you have to offer.

      3) As you can see from the number of people who are saying things like, "I have work for you," your writing is MORE than good enough for web site owners (or marketers) who are simply looking for legible, coherently structured original content. At no point in reading your sample did I say to myself, "this is so far gone that I have NO idea what he's trying to say!" And that's a good thing. People UNDERSTAND that the Internet is a worldwide thing. And, understanding this, a good many people will tolerate broken-but-legible English. So on that front, congratulations!

      Ultimately, the MARKET determines whether you write well enough to sell your services or not. And judging from the responses above, it's clear you do! As long as you can accept the fact that you're not going to impress everybody, and as long as you don't mind working for wages the market will bear for obviously non-native writing, I think you'll find content writing a workable solution.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
    Alexa is the best - that's all I can say!

    Anoopchawla:

    I am a professional writer/copy editor/writing coach, and I've seen many native English speakers write worse than what you wrote in that post. Actually, I like the small paragraphs, as they're easier to digest than large ones, especially online.

    However, as Alexa was saying, you can tell that you're not a native speaker from the structure of some of your writing.

    However, you might want to think about the placement of your "and's" and commas a little more. A quick tip is to place a comma before the word "and" when starting a completely new sentence.

    For example:

    Tomorrow is Christmas Eve, and I need to wrap presents before 5:00 this evening.

    Comma misuse is one of the biggest problems I run into in editing others' writing or helping them improve theirs. I was looking specifically at one of the sentences you wrote:

    "By putting these three aspects in place you’ll be able to create such a product that will dominate almost any niche, and will help you get more time for your family."

    The rest of the words after the "and" do not form a complete sentence. Thus, you didn't need the comma.

    I could go through the whole article (although I would probably just be duplicating what Alexa did) but I don't want to pick apart your writing, as it's better than a lot I've seen. You mainly need to work on sentence structure and punctuation.

    But yes, I believe you CAN write if you work on fixing these problems.

    One book I highly recommend is Jensen's Punctuation. Reading this book gave me the most solid, concrete punctuation advice I have ever learned. And most importantly, it stuck with me. In fact, I use the advice I learned in this book every day I write. Here's the link, and no, it's not an affiliate link:

    http://www.christianbook.com/jensens...262/pd/6061262

    Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author TheKeys
    Damn, you put in a lot of effort Alexa Smith. I would go with her advise seeing as she is dominating the english language lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author kjay
    There really isn't a "yes" or "no" answer to your question. I totally agree with everything that Alexis wrote and, personally, when I commission articles from one of the article directories, I always specify that grammar and syntax are important - so much so that I will request rewrites if there are more than a couple errors. That said, there is a lot of discussion about how good articles need to be as far as their SEO worth and that is the name of the game for a lot of people. I think you can find those who will be happy with your level of quality - especially at that price. You could actually do better and I agree that you should check out some of the article directories.

    Best of luck to you and keep writing! That's the way we all end up improving our skills.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Anoop,

      There's absolutely no reason you can't create a product, though. It's not that expensive to hire a proofreader to proof and lightly edit the result so that it reads well.

      And as you can see in this thread, you really can still write articles for people. Alexa is right in that you won't command very good rates but if you can live with that, then go for it. It's just an awful lot of work for what amounts to a pittance if you have other skills that could earn you more.

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  • Profile picture of the author Anoopchawla
    It doesn't feel good to get these kind of comments when you have studied all the stuff out there for 3 years, and all of a sudden you realize you can't make big because of your grammar.

    Anyways, I think I should start concentrating on my Indian Handicraft business since other site owners in this market can't even write as good as me.

    So I think that wont be a problem in this market.

    What say?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Anoopchawla View Post

      It doesn't feel good to get these kind of comments when you have studied all the stuff out there for 3 years, and all of a sudden you realize you can't make big because of your grammar.

      Anyways, I think I should start concentrating on my Indian Handicraft business since other site owners in this market can't even write as good as me.

      So I think that wont be a problem in this market.

      What say?
      ANYONE, that has studied a number of languages, will tell you that 3 years often means LITTLE as far as fluency.

      Your post here looked reasonable. If alexa looked ONLY at that, she may have been FAR kinder. But the other post DID have the errors she mentioned, and they CAN hurt. SOME, like myself, may overlook them, as we will almost read them INTO the text. Alexa can't really do that, as she proofreads and sells, so she is more likely to catch it. Still, even with people like me, we see things like that and feel less inclined to buy.

      And it is the LITTLE things that can hurt you. 2$ should have been $2! And above you said "can't even write as good as me" when it SHOULD have been "can't even write as well as I can"! And you said "What say?". Maybe you should have said "What do you say?". And what does "you can't make big because of your grammar" mean?

      BTW NOBODY said you can't make it out there. You do better than many do. Alexa simply said you shouldn't, because you DO make some mistakes that are bad. HECK, maybe even word can help you with that! You could have been FAR worse!

      BTW word MIGHT even catch "wont"! Ironically, that means almost the opposite of the contraction you wanted "won't"!

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  • Profile picture of the author Anoopchawla
    Rikki,I understand that you people are trying to help.
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    • Profile picture of the author research
      Originally Posted by Anoopchawla View Post

      Rikki,I understand that you people are trying to help.
      Above everything else, there is really only one question to be asked . . .

      Do you think you can write ???

      Do not depend on the opinions and attitudes of others who probably do not have your interests at heart. There will be many who for one reason or another will express why they cannot support you.

      You must continue forward if you are to succeed. If you believe your writing has to improve, then you must practise, practise, practise . . .
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        Originally Posted by research View Post

        Above everything else, there is really only one question to be asked . . .

        Do you think you can write ???

        Do not depend on the opinions and attitudes of others who probably do not have your interests at heart. There will be many who for one reason or another will express why they cannot support you.

        You must continue forward if you are to succeed. If you believe your writing has to improve, then you must practise, practise, practise . . .
        Sorry, but you're wrong on this one. He can think he can write all he wants to but he isn't the one he has to convince. He has to convince the buyer. If you read the OP completely, you would realize that he was actually asking if he could get PAID to write - different question altogether.

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        • Profile picture of the author Rikki_Fawkes
          Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

          Sorry, but you're wrong on this one. He can think he can write all he wants to but he isn't the one he has to convince. He has to convince the buyer. If you read the OP completely, you would realize that he was actually asking if he could get PAID to write - different question altogether.

          Tina
          Agreed. He has to make the buyer believe he can write. You can believe in yourself all you want, but that's only 1% of the battle.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by research View Post

        You must continue forward if you are to succeed. If you believe your writing has to improve, then you must practise, practise, practise . . .
        Respectfully, Research, in my opinion you're missing the whole point of the thread. Anoop posted (as unambiguously specified in the very first line) because he needs to make quick money (his words). He has other skills with which he can do that. This was not a thread for "career advice". Quick money is not about "practise, practise, practise".
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    I'm gonna answer this from a marketing POV.

    You're not trying to get a job as a college English professor - you're trying to sell content.

    For the price you're talking about, yes, it's worth it. I know a lot of marketers who would think your writing is a steal even if they have to clean up a bit.

    Are they ezine directory ready? No. But as long as you advertise honestly I see no problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author miklanderson2
      Anoopchawla...here's what I'd take from this. The sample you provided was packed full of grammatical and syntax errors and there was at least one person still willing to pay you your asking price of $2 an article. You can take advantage of this and maybe make some quick money, although at $2 for 400 words it won't be all that quick.

      In order to charge more than 2 bucks for an article, your mastery of the English language is going to have to improve. I've written articles for different sites across the Internet and I assure you that you will not be able to sell articles for much more than your asking price without being asked to heavily edit them. At $2 an article, you may be able to find a market for your articles. Any more than that and people are going to, at the very least, expect them to be grammatically correct.
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    • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
      Originally Posted by TiffanyDow View Post

      I'm gonna answer this from a marketing POV.

      You're not trying to get a job as a college English professor - you're trying to sell content.

      For the price you're talking about, yes, it's worth it. I know a lot of marketers who would think your writing is a steal even if they have to clean up a bit.

      Are they ezine directory ready? No. But as long as you advertise honestly I see no problem.
      tiff
      You could be right, some marketers may well pay for this quality at low prices then tidy it up.

      Personally I wouldn't, to me it is solving one problem but creating another.
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  • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
    Personally, I don't like reading anything from someone who can't write like someone who has English as a native language. It's just that it can be hard to read because your brain gets stuck on the parts with errors while you try to figure out what the person meant to say. Even if the information is good, grammar will usually kill it for me.

    Like Alexa was saying, it's not that you write bad but you have grammar errors that stick out like a sore thumb to someone who speaks English as a native language.

    There is definitely a market for poorly written articles because some people out there just don't care. You can usually find these people hiring on freelance websites and often look to pay a buck an article.

    I wouldn't want to buy any articles that I had to heavily edit because I could write it myself in the same time it would take to heavily edit a poor article.

    Definitely focus on your grammar and if you can improve those errors, you should do just fine because your writing style isn't horrible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anoopchawla
    Okay, so can anybody suggest me other skill which I can use to make some quick money and has a long term potential too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary King
      Originally Posted by Anoopchawla View Post

      Hmm... I am still confused. some of you say I can some say I can't.
      That's because EVERYONE has their own tolerance for things... misspellings, grammatical errors, flow of the article, etc.

      Some want cheap and volume. Others want a more academically correct article.


      Originally Posted by Anoopchawla View Post

      Okay, so can anybody suggest me other skill which I can use to make some quick money and has a long term potential too.

      Alexa did.

      That said, you've got about half the people here that said they thought you could write and a few that even asked you to contact them to do so!

      Why are you looking for other areas?

      Stand up and contact them! Offer them your $2 articles (or whatever price) to start building your reputation.

      If you fall on your face, and the people hate the articles, get back up, dust yourself off and consider refocusing.

      If they love your articles, get a testimonial from them and launch your WSO or classified offering your services.
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  • Profile picture of the author good2go4
    Hi there,

    You have had a bit of criticism on this thread and I know that must be frustrating but what I noticed in your sample article was that you were trying to write in "conversational" English - and this would be difficult for you because English is your second language.

    When I was working in ESL one of the hints I used to give to non-English speakers was to find native English speakers and talk to them - gossip with them. By chatting to English speakers in a conversational or casual way you will learn very quickly how to take your technical knowledge about English and turn it into a working knowledge you can use. It sounds like you have studied how to speak English, but not how to converse in English and this could be why your article does not read as well as it could.

    There used to be a site called BuddySchool - I am not sure if they are still operating, where you could pay something like $5 to talk to someone over Skype to practise your English skills. That could help you down the track. With regards to making money now it sounds like you have a lot of other skills you can offer the Warriors that don't involve creating content.

    All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy Daugherty
    Hi there, I believe anyone can write...but the only problem is to know how to write good articles....that is what I think the first step that an aspiring writer should discover..The steps on how to write good articles since everybody can write...
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  • Profile picture of the author arttse
    Anoop

    I have a feeling you are indirectly trying to promote your writing services to avoid paying the ad fees.

    You should be posting your writing service under "Warriors for Hire".
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    Wow Alexa I am scared to write anything now Kidding; you are such a genuinely helpful person

    Anoop I would like to offer to pay for a 'warrior for hire thread' for you.

    It seems you have asked this before so I think you are using this thread to get advice, but also to advertise.

    I am not judging at all, because I don't know you or your situation.

    Please PM me your paypal account, and I will give you the $20 . My condition is that you pay for it yourself first then post the link here or in a PM and I will reimburse you.

    Rikki I am going to get that punctuation book ASAP, thank you I am usually just guessing when it come to punctuation marks based on how It reads.

    WHY DID I NOT PAY MORE ATTENTION IN ENGLISH CLASS....
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