Listen UP!! Response from VP of Clickbank

by tess47
32 replies
Hi everyone,

I emailed Jennifer at Clickbank yesterday (she is the VP Operations). Here is her response - she has a link to the other thread I started some time ago, so that she can read about all the concerns we have about Clickbank:


Hi Tess,



I appreciate you contacting me! I saw on the forum that you had not gotten a response from ClickBank yet -- so I'm glad Steven passed my email address along to you (by the way -- where did you send your initial email to us? Was it through one of our forms, or to a particular email address? I'd like to research why you didn't get an answer before now!).



We have seen the forums and we have had people contact us directly, and we have researched for potential problems on our side in depth. We can not find a systemwide problem anywhere. In fact, many of the people that have contacted us about a decrease in conversions or in sales, once we have researched it, have actually not had a decrease in their average -- or in some cases, their average has gone up during the time they state they have noticed a decline.



I'd be happy to research any accounts individually -- and have our IT team look at any individual account, as well, to see if we can find anything specific. What is your ClickBank nickname?



Also -- I will be sure to go over this thread in detail, and see if it brings to light anything that we have not already tested! We certainly take these concerns seriously, and want to make sure everything is okay!



Best regards,



Jennifer

V.P. Operations

Digital Products Retailer: Affiliate Program & Sell Online - ClickBank
#clickbank #listen #response
  • Profile picture of the author Neil S
    What was this regarding?
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    • Profile picture of the author spudzz
      Marketers are reporting very similar problems from similar periods of time. I doubt it's mass suggestion that's causing the problem so I'd recommend Clickbank looking at things a bit more laterally to unearth the problem otherwise they're going to start losing some serious players.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
    That's the typical non-answer I've come to expect from them. It's possible they know something is wrong, but not why, in which case I wouldn't expect them to say anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author trippmarxx
    Something is definitely up, that's for sure.....I've had issues since they've switched payment platforms.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
    A lot of affiliate marketers are already switching merchant providers because of the obvious "buzz" this is generating throughout all the forums from tracking issues.

    Frank Bruno
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    So what's the best alternative to CB as a merchant?
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    • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
      Originally Posted by faxinator View Post

      So what's the best alternative to CB as a merchant?
      That's the thing ^^

      In my mind there is no better payment proccessor then CB because they have such a big affiliate base, if you are just looking for a payment proccessor there are loads Paypal, 2CO etc...

      All the best

      Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
    2CO and PayPal come to mind... 2CO has a pretty "difficult" checkout process so you might lose some sales because of it. I'd say these are the most reputable 3rd party payment processors today - ClickBank, PayPal, 2CO.

    Anyone know others?
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    • Profile picture of the author TheNightOwl
      Originally Posted by Dmitry View Post

      2CO has a pretty "difficult" checkout process so you might lose some sales because of it.
      You said it, bro. I hate 2CO and I'll only buy something if I really, really want it. If it's an impulse buy, then it's quite likely I'll abandon.

      Don't make it harder for your customer than is absolutely necessary. And, hey, I'm a "seasoned online buyer" LOL!
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    Well, what should we expect? Should they say this: "Well, we've noticed that many transactions are not completed due to some stupid coding that frustrates customers and causes 10x the cart abandonment than our previous system. We also have no idea how to fix it so the problem will continue indefinitely. If you don't like it, leave and don't let the door hit you on the a.. on the way out." Now that would be a refreshing email, wouldn't it?

    TomG.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      Well, what should we expect? Should
      they say this: "Well, we've noticed that many transactions are
      not completed due to some stupid coding that frustrates customers
      and causes 10x the cart abandonment than our previous system.
      We also have no idea how to fix it so the problem will continue
      indefinitely. If you don't like it, leave and don't let the door
      hit you on the a.. on the way out." Now that would be a refreshing
      email, wouldn't it?

      TomG.

      Agreed Tom,

      There's absolutely no way in a month of Sundays that a corporate
      company the size of ClickBank is going to come out in an open
      forum and admit they have a problem.

      They'll come out with a typical response and try to cover up
      any problems.

      Can you imagine the fallout, if there was some internal skimming
      or fraud going on and they were exposed? Or alternatively, if
      some of their vendors are randomly skimming as well?

      The blatant truth is that - folks are losing money!!!!

      My mom always said - "where there's smoke - there's fire"...

      Watch this space....

      Regards

      Greg
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      • Profile picture of the author Adam Carn
        Originally Posted by Greg Cooksley View Post

        Can you imagine the fallout, if there was some internal skimming
        or fraud going on and they were exposed? Or alternatively, if
        some of their vendors are randomly skimming as well?

        The blatant truth is that - folks are losing money!!!!

        My mom always said - "where there's smoke - there's fire"...

        Watch this space....

        Regards

        Greg
        Clickbank going down would be an absolute nightmare if it happend. Right now it's something unimaginable. I remember I once had a lot of money in Intgold and it went down. Which I thought would never happen.

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  • Profile picture of the author Be4Success
    Agreed, they aren't likely to admit to a problem. Rest assured if there is a problem they'll be working on it. They can't afford to loose their affiliate base.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcus Paul
    I have a client that we were looking at a Clickbank product launch, but now......I guess I will look for other affiliate program providers for now.
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  • Profile picture of the author J A Neal
    At least you got an answer! I hate when I have to contact a company 3 or 4 times just to establish a dialog. I have to admit Clickbank has always been timely in responding to me.

    I'm not sure what to look for when checking my account for missing sales. What is the first indication sales may be missing?
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    • Personally I don't use Click Bank, and after reading online about thier problems, I'm more likey to stay away.
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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    I'm a big Clickbank fan - I've been using them for about 7 years now, and won't be stopping anytime soon.

    The biggest strength, as I see it, is that they offer a built in affiliate program, and they also take care of all taxes. Makes my life MUCH easier.

    Has there been a downturn in sales? Yes. I see this as two issues:

    1) Economy scares - some countries are worse than others, but there is a general unsettling worldwide.

    2) The addition of the automatic currency conversion. I'm not sure if this was a fluke (I don't have enough data to prove one way or the other), but my sales seemed to drop when this was implemented. I asked Clickbank to remove it from my account, which they happily did. Jennifer is very helpful. My sales then seemed to rise again.


    If you're an affiliate, check the order form for the product you're promoting. Does it autoconvert the currency (perhaps US buyers can use an international proxy to test this)?. If so, perhaps emails the vendor and see if they can request the autocurrency conversion to be removed.


    What I DO know for sure is that Clickbank isn't stealing my sales. Each sale I make needs to be registered on my server for the software to work. Without the customer's being registered, I'd end up with a tonne of complaints.

    That, to me, is proof that Clickbank aren't taking a few of my sales for themselves.


    And if we think about it: it would hurt Clickbank more to "skim" than it would not to skim. If people stop making money through them, they leave. So the best business move for them is to make sure affiliates and vendors make money using their system.

    cheers
    Sam
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
      I agree with Sam. I use his product, DLGuard and there is no way for sales to turn into downloads without the software knowing that a customer actually paid.

      ClickBank has no reason to skim. They already take $1 pus 7.5% for a pretty a fairly "autopilot" operation. They should be doing very well and it is in their best interest to help, not steal.

      That said, they could surely be having issues such as:

      1) order form problems, leading to order abandonment
      2) cookie tracking issues ... which has been discussed already.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Sam,

      this is NOT a publisher problem! If CB has a hickup it always affects affiliates and not the publishers. I still get my publisher sales...but affiliate sales literally came to a stand-still!
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      • Profile picture of the author samstephens
        Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

        Sam,

        this is NOT a publisher problem! If CB has a hickup it always affects affiliates and not the publishers. I still get my publisher sales...but affiliate sales literally came to a stand-still!
        Hi George,

        True, I was just saying that lower affiliate sales may not just mean lower affiliate sales, but the vendor you're promoting may be having low conversion rates all round.

        If a vendor's conversion rates drop, so too will the affiliates sending traffic to him.

        Then there's the talk of Spybot possible killing Clickbank cookies again, and now Harvey's post, which is really interesting - a stats delay in the reporting system.

        There seems to be a LOT of different issues at play, and it's hard to sort through them to find the specific reason, it seems.

        cheers
        Sam
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        • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
          I spoke to Amy at CB a few days ago and explained that there were a lot of affiliates losing confidence in their system and she basically attributed it to a downtrun in the economy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Plinko
    If there is a problem then there is a slim chance at this stage the ClickBank in house team is going to find a problem after going over it several times already.

    Having been inside on several code reviews I know that getting a group of like minded people together who have already worked closely together on a project may reveal nothing.

    If there indeed may be a problem ClickBank would benefit from having an independent audit performed by a team who has no interest in their business and no personal relationship with them whatsoever. This is the same reason a music album project will be handed to different recording, mixing, and mastering engineers. Fresh ears, no foreknowledge, nothing to gain but success and reputation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      ClickBank have now posted this on the system log (which
      you will find in your account).


      ================================================== ========
      Partial Hoplinks Disruption
      2008-11-13


      From 10:00 a.m. PT on 2008-11-12 to 7:30 a.m. PT on 2008-11-
      13 ClickBank experienced a minor system issue. The issue was
      resolved quickly and did not affect sales. A small number of
      affiliates have not yet received appropriate credit for a
      portion of their sales, however we expect to have those
      credits posted within the next 48 hours.


      Thank you for your patience. Please contact Customer Service
      if you have any questions.
      ================================================== ========


      Harvey
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  • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
    Just an idea - why don't we all setup test payments and start testing each other's checkouts and see what happens?
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  • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
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    I have talked with merchants and they also confirm that they are having huge decreases in sales especially on the checkout page. There are many hops but a few sales.
    It might not be all Clickbank's fault as some have posted the same thing about Paypal and other payment options. The facts are, and I hate to state the obvious, that the economy is at a low ebb. People who do not publish the price of goods on their sales page are getting this problem because, like me, you click over to discover the price.

    If you are an international customer this can be quite horrifying. What is $5 is now around $aus9 so work out the price of something around $40 its almost $aus100. Us merchants need to change their prices if they are going to survive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lee MacRae
    Originally Posted by tess47 View Post

    In fact, many of the people that have contacted us about a decrease in conversions or in sales, once we have researched it, have actually not had a decrease in their average -- or in some cases, their average has gone up during the time they state they have noticed a decline.
    How can we be so stupid as too miss the fact our sales are actually up!
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Carn
    I just got this email from Clickbank:

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    Dear Publisher,

    Yesterday, we announced a partial Hoplink disruption on our System Log. The issue was resolved quickly and did not affect sales. However, there were some affiliates that were not credited immediately for a portion of their sales. Those affiliates were matched to the appropriate orders, and we have made the necessary adjustments to each account.

    Since you were a publisher with at least one order affected by this, your sales total between 10:00 a.m. PT on 2008-11-12 to 7:30 a.m. PT on 2008-11-13 were changed to reflect the commissions we have now awarded to the appropriate affiliate(s).

    If you have any questions regarding which orders were changed, please contact our Customer Service Department (Contact Us - ClickBank).

    Thank you for your patience!

    Best Regards,

    ClickBank Customer Service
    accounts@clickbank.com
    Digital Products Retailer: Affiliate Program & Sell Online - ClickBank
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    Dunno if that helps.

    Adam
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  • Profile picture of the author dianarupert
    Is this the result of bad economy?
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  • Profile picture of the author mogulmedia
    Typical kind of response you would expect from a company that size. It seems a bit coincidental that many others noticed a deduction in sales at the same time as I did for no apparant reason.

    Ho hum!
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