List Owners - What sort of Open Rates are you getting?

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Was chatting to a friend of mine today, and he has a new buyers list from a recent product release of his in August.

He said he's getting email open rates of between 40 to 70%, but on average he reckons it's be about 50%.

Now his is a fairly new list and it is a buyers list, but I want to find out from you for your list(s)...
  • What are your email open rates?
  • What type of list is it for these open rates? I.e. are they prospects or buyers?
  • How old the list is?
Also, I'd be interested if you'd like to share your experiences on what you've done to improve your open rates.

Cheers!
Kieran
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
    Open rates are not a reliable way to compare the lists
    between different owners.

    Third party autoresponder providers measure their open
    rates in different ways.

    For example, the open rate for AWeber messages uses
    total opens (even if a user has opened the message
    multiple times). In contrast the open rate figures for
    Infusionsoft are based on unique opens so it gives you
    a more realistic figure.

    So, you need to be comparing apples with apples and
    have the same way of tracking opens between you
    and whoever you're comparing your list to.

    Open rates are also wildly inaccurate because they rely
    on a tracking image placed in HTML messages only and
    they don't always get triggered at the subscribers end.

    For example, I use Microsoft Outlook to view my e-mails
    and by default it doesn't allow the tracking image to be
    downloaded. So even though I open the e-mail, it doesn't
    count as an open on the other end.

    I only use open rates as a guide for my own list to assess
    the relative success of subject lines, etc.

    To improve my open rates, I segment my lists thoroughly
    so that I send people more relevant messages that they
    want to open, read and act on.

    Dedicated to your success,

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    • Wow, so many good responses to the question (even if it wasn't the perfect question to ask). The answers have been really helpful to understand what is important and what is not when it comes to open rates.

      Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

      Open rates are also wildly inaccurate because they rely on a tracking image placed in HTML messages only and they don't always get triggered at the subscribers end.
      Wasn't aware of this fact which puts into perspective the validity and accuracy on open rates as a whole.

      Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

      I only use open rates as a guide for my own list to assess the relative success of subject lines, etc.
      I agree with you that it is probably best used as a "guide", as opposed to an accurate assessment of the success of your email marketing.

      Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

      To improve my open rates, I segment my lists thoroughly so that I send people more relevant messages that they
      want to open, read and act on.
      Joshua has some great concepts to add to the mix talking about "Beginning relationship phase", "Buying relationship phase" and "Loyal relationship phase". The market and segmentation of lists certainly make sense, when you consider how diverse someone's list can be across markets.

      My question also arose from my own experience from being a part of many, many IM lists. I have my "core" group of marketers that I pay particular attention to (and subsequently open every or almost every email) due to trust, products I have bought, good info, keeping on the pulse. But then there are so many I do not open up, but keep them (don't you love Gmails storage size) to reference in the future...

      My thinking there is I can learn from the ones that I don't open and ask myself why did I not open this? What was it that causes me not to trust this person? That way I can apply the lessons I learn from my own behaviour and ensure I DON'T do this, or DON'T do that for my own marketing campaigns.

      Thanks all for contributing - its all very helpful - keep em coming if there's more!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      Aweber actually gives both Total Opens and Unique. I sit around 25% for my follow-up series.
      Yes - AWeber do provide figures for total and unique
      opens.

      However, the open rates that are present on the login
      page are for total opens, not uniques. This is the figure
      that most people use to quote their AWeber open rate.

      You can find unique open rates within AWeber but you
      have to hunt around a bit more.

      Regardless, comparing open rate figures between different
      list owners is not particularly useful because there are too
      many variables to influence the figure.

      Dedicated to your success,

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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    It can still give a rough indication on if you are doing something wrong. If the majority of people are getting open rates of 50%+ I would like to find out why my list is only opening at 5% (for example).

    You can then try and narrow it down from here by finding out why your list is underperforming. If everyone else has a list of buyers and your list is full of freebie seekers then that is one starting point. If other lists full of freebie seekers are still in the average range then maybe subject title, or amount of promotion etc could be looked at.

    It might not help you make ground in the middle area but it might help those on the extremities. If someone with a reasonably sized list starting saying they get nothing less than 75% then I would like to find out what they are doing that's unique.

    A person new to list building (like myself) might not have a clue what to expect and their great numbers might actually be quite ordinary.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Bretag
    Shaun

    Is quite right in saying that comparing open rates across different markets just causes too many variables to be involved. If you have a segmented list you would notice that for example the internet marketing niche has a vastly different open rate compared to that of the arthritis niche. Because one really needs their problem to be solved and they are sure to try and cure to get it.

    I am sure if you looked across a few markets you would see the same effect and also see the effects of how long you have built a relationship with that subscriber has an effect on the open rate.

    I have most of my lists split into 3 levels for each niche

    A beginning relationship phase which has an open rate of about 25% on average

    A Buying relationship phase in which a subscriber has become a customer and bought one of my products this has an open rate of about 40-45% on average

    and then my loyal customer phase where a person has bought either a $4000+ product or bought 3 products from me. In this phase the open rate is about 125% because it is almost pure content and only 5% is soft sales. ( the reason why the open rate is so high is because multiple people re-opening and re-reading the emails, if it was used with unique open rates it would be 80-90%). This is only because I treat these customer with the upmost respect and integrety I don't cross sell to them at all. Unless it is one hell of a good product, for example I won't ever tell them about Kajabi because it is just a big black hole waiting to happen and I told them that. These people are also my biggest sneezers (if you don't know what sneezers are go read Seth Godin's book Ideavirus) they will tell people in their lists about my products.

    I also have some people pay to be apart of this list as I make sure that it is a super exclusive and only for my most loyal customers and most, if not all of them know me personally.

    So that is just a short little rant about how different market and segmentations of a list in a market can greatly affect the open and conversion rate of a list. I hope this shows a little light on how the question you have asked is so broad that you will be unable to get a very accurate answer

    Josh
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  • Profile picture of the author leegs
    Hi Kieran,

    I'm getting an open email rate of between 20% to 25% depending on what free offer you are providing to your prospects. Afterwhich, an email open rate of 50% to 60% can be achievable with some testing involved. Generally, I would use different email open rates to test the subject lines so as to further improve my conversion rates for either my free offer or my buyer list.

    Hope it helps...

    Raymond
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    Open rate is important, but what matters most is the number of clicks you get. There are no 'Order Now' buttons in the email.
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