235+ websites making $4-$50 per day. This is how I do it. Ultimate Virtual Real Estate. ADDED LINKS

by LMC
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It's been quite some time since I made a post.

So here it goes:

I currently have 235+ websites that are making anywheres from $4 to $50 per day, I have about 10 that do $50 a day, and the rest fluctuate.

Some of them do a lot better during trends, for example, I built 80 websites targetting specific individual costumes for halloween, and they have been doing $10+ per day alone.

I target low to mid competition keywords, find or buy exact match keywords (as they do make a difference despite what you've been told). When i say exact match, I mean, Your keyword = www.yourkeyword.com

No stop words, no the, e, blog, online, NO prefixes or suffixes.

All my websites are ranked #1 through #5 for all their target keywords. 80% of my traffic comes from the Big G, 10% of my traffic comes from Direct Traffic, meaning people who have bookmarked the sites, or people just inputting my website into the address bar. The remaining 10% comes from directories, forums, and article marketing ( I barely do any article marketing).

So what are the characterisitcs of my websites:
  • They all target a specific product, usually ONE or TWO, sometimes I will expand to 20 - 50. I have a handful of websites that are 200 products deep as well. But I try to be as specific as possible.
  • They all target tangiable goods. I DO NOT sell digital items, because I find that I'm receiving around 25-35% conversions on my tangiable compared to my low 8% on digital products. There are less refunds, and to the consumer I seem more respectable as a merchant portal.
  • They contain 1 - 3 unique articles on them. Each article targets a different physchological factor behind buying a product. I first tell them who the customer of my product is, so in the case that I'm not identifying them, they get defensive and buy, and in the case I am identifying them, they understand they are a good customer for this product thus, they buy. I attack the social and economical factors of the product, I justify the merchants price, and tell them how it is being used in a social setting. (are celebrities wearing this coat, will this grill make for better barbeques, etc, etc)
  • They are all built in Wordpress.
My only goal with my websites is to be #1 in Google. That is it. I give nothing about having web 2.0 feeders:

No Twitter
No Hubpages
No Squidoo
No EzineArticles

Just Google. It is amazing on how much traffic you will receive in the first position of Google.

Currently my Virtual Real Estate receives roughly around 23,000 uniques per day broken across all my websites.

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How do I build it all?
=====================

I outsource every stupid little thing.

All I care about is the niche, and how much money I am making.

I outsource writing
I outsource development
I outsource backlinking

I simply worry about producing sales and watching the analytics to decide when to build more content and or target more keywords.

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VRE's as a business model is really great. It produces passive income, however there is a management side to things just like all business's. This is where people will succeed or fail.

Understanding what your analytics are telling you.
Understanding your top 10 competition and how to beat it.
Understanding Opportunitties in the SERPs.

Just like any business, there are pros and cons. Here the cons are, I pay a lot of money in registration fees, but I am profitting. I have to spend 4 hours each day looking at my analytics and current market positions. I spend about 2 hours a day researching new markets.

Obviously I don't have to do it each and everyday, but if I'm not getting a sale I WANT TO KNOW WHY. So I study it.

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So I don't want to make this long winded, but ask your questions and i will respond when I can.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    Great post... I have several buddies doing well with this exact same method.
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    • Profile picture of the author FrFai
      Hi Kevin

      Can you show me how to do this please? I will appreciate it.

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    John,

    oh boy... I've been doing internet marketing for about 7 years now, these websites all started about 3 years ago.

    When i began, I did not outsource a thing.

    I built the website in wordpress.
    Optimized the content.
    Reverse Engineered Competition Backlinks and targetted the same and researched similar.

    But if I went back in history, I would outsource everything and risk $50-$100 to get a site to #1, cause in reality that is all it takes.

    I rather take $10k and invest it into 100 websites, to be put into a #1 position to produce $1k a day from.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      But if I went back in history, I would outsource everything and risk $50-$100 to get a site to #1, cause in reality that is all it takes.
      Care to elaborate on this point a bit?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      John,

      oh boy... I've been doing internet marketing for about 7 years now, these websites all started about 3 years ago.

      When i began, I did not outsource a thing.

      I built the website in wordpress.
      Optimized the content.
      Reverse Engineered Competition Backlinks and targetted the same and researched similar.

      But if I went back in history, I would outsource everything and risk $50-$100 to get a site to #1, cause in reality that is all it takes.

      I rather take $10k and invest it into 100 websites, to be put into a #1 position to produce $1k a day from.
      This is a great business model. Rather than putting all your eggs in one basket, by diversifying and generating income from so many different sites you're in a MUCH better position to receive consistent income every single month.

      How do you host your sites, i.e. do you use dedicated or shared servers, and do you spread them out across several hosting companies using shared/dedicated hosting?

      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Thanks for the great post - i am doing this myself but I dont have as many sites and it does work.

    Also, the other great thing is that each site can then be sold off if you want immediate income or if you want to concentrate on the big earners.

    Lee
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary King
    Congrats on your success..

    I'm presuming since you said tangible goods, you mean stuff like Amazon affiliate, etc.?

    Thanks,

    Gary

    EDIT: John (one post up) asked the same question as I was typing!
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Hey john,

    I mainly work with Commission Junction and Linkshare.

    The problem with Amazon is that it doesn't allow me for a unique selling proposition, as I can't give away coupons and discounts like I can do in CJ.

    I also work with inhouse advertising companies that have 50 or so affiliate programs. I can get custom coupons and banners with them.

    Amazon is good for the impulse buyer, but in my test, it was not worth it.

    I usually use it to produce income when I compare products, so I compare my products which are normally cheaper to amazon. However, I embedd my affiliate link into amazon in case I get a stubborn buyer that just wants to use a more reputable merchant. Doesn't matter to me because i still get the commission.
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  • Profile picture of the author FrFai
    Hi

    Thanks for the post it's really interesting and by the way congratulations on your success. Can u show me to do the same?

    I will really appreciate it.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author rghflash
    Good gracious alive LMC. I understood most of what you saiid, but not all. What a powerfull message. I simply don't know how you do it and keep track of everything with that many sites? Posts like this encourage me to keep at and gleem what I can from internet marketing gurus like you. Thanks a heap, Robert
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonblake10
      Originally Posted by rghflash View Post

      Good gracious alive LMC. I understood most of what you saiid, but not all. What a powerfull message. I simply don't know how you do it and keep track of everything with that many sites? Posts like this encourage me to keep at and gleem what I can from internet marketing gurus like you. Thanks a heap, Robert
      I wonder the same think! That's a lot of sites!
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    Thank you for a great post LMC.

    I think what puts people off going after minuscule niches is the cost of a domain name to justify such a small niche. If the site doesn't work out you lose the cost of the domain name.

    Are you using .com domains have you tried it with .net or ,info domains? Are you using brand names in your domains? If so have you had any hassles?

    Sorry for the ton of questions but your advice is much appreciated!
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  • Profile picture of the author tehnolife
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    This is realy a good business model to follow.Also...do you want to hit a goal...like 1000 websites? And How much you earn per month, clear profit?(over 30,000$ ?)


    Thanks,
    Stefan Ion
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    • Profile picture of the author JayVance
      Originally Posted by tehnolife View Post

      This is realy a good business model to follow.Also...do you want to hit a goal...like 1000 websites? And How much you earn per month, clear profit?(over 30,000$ ?)


      Thanks,
      Stefan Ion
      Just by doing the math 10 sites @ $50 per month = $15,000.
      The other 225 doing just the minimum of $4 per month = 27,000
      Total Revenue = $42,000 per month or $504,000 per year.
      I'm sure those numbers are actually higher since I used the minimum number of $4.

      Great strategy btw, very interesting concept that I'll have to look into.

      -Jay Vance
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  • Profile picture of the author LeeLee
    I would love to see what you do but don't have PM capability. If you wouldn't mind shooting an email over the bridge to Jersey, I'd be so grateful.

    Thanks

    eorangeave at gmail dot com
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    tehno,

    I'm not going to post how much I earn. I have this VRE, then other investments and web 2.0 sites. Just do some math, it's all organic traffic, I spend around $50-$100 per site to get it to where it needs to be... The Top.

    Madison,

    A domain expense is about $10 a year. These sites are making that a day. If you can't make at least $10 to justify the domain cost you are just in such a sub niche that there is no traffic for it.

    Only .com, .net, .org

    No hyphens, no stop words.
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    • Profile picture of the author BayAreaSteve
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      tehno,

      I'm not going to post how much I earn. I have this VRE, then other investments and web 2.0 sites. Just do some math, it's all organic traffic, I spend around $50-$100 per site to get it to where it needs to be... The Top.

      Madison,

      A domain expense is about $10 a year. These sites are making that a day. If you can't make at least $10 to justify the domain cost you are just in such a sub niche that there is no traffic for it.

      Only .com, .net, .org

      No hyphens, no stop words.
      What is a " stop " word?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
        Originally Posted by BayAreaSteve View Post

        What is a " stop " word?
        A stop word is a word that google ignores in a search phrase. Words like "the", "a", etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Black Hat,

    sure...

    $25-$50 for my website setup.
    $15-$25 for my content.
    $15-$50 for my backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christian Sawyer
      Good post, I'm putting together a plan to do something similar to this soon. Having a lot of websites that only make a buck is still great.

      -Christian
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      • Profile picture of the author Gav567
        Great Post! Could you explain what backlinking strategy you are using?

        Thanks,

        Gav.
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    • Profile picture of the author ddlingo
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Black Hat,

      sure...

      $25-$50 for my website setup.
      $15-$25 for my content.
      $15-$50 for my backlinks.
      Do you mind sharing your backlink service?
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    • Profile picture of the author Hoodyy
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Black Hat,

      sure...

      $25-$50 for my website setup.
      $15-$25 for my content.
      $15-$50 for my backlinks.
      I'm just trying to understand exactly how much you're outsourcing.

      $25-$50 for your website setup.
      What exactly does this include? I assume you're using hosting similar to that of HostGator's reseller package.. Are you paying a freelancer to install Wordpress and a customized Wordpress theme?

      $15-$25 for your content.
      Here are you paying for X articles / reviews on the products and supplying the person doing the work for you with affiliate links etc?

      $15-$20 for your backlinks.
      What exactly does this involve? How are you backlinking? Are you paying someone to just submit articles into directories?

      I'm also curious as to where you're outsourcing this work, it seems quite cheap to me - and if you're getting quality workers to complete this work then very, very useful - I can definitely see why you're so successful.

      It would be great to know in detail your outsourcing program and to have more of an idea of what exactly it is you're asking the workers you've hired to do. I assume once you find a good worker it's easy.

      Your model appeals to me very much. I'd much rather spend all day looking over analytics etc than writing my own content.
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      • Profile picture of the author mathmo
        First of all if you go back Hoody you will see more or less all of your questions have been answered

        [at least to the extent they're likely to be answered]

        What is more, answered very early on in the first few pages...

        So to help LMC I'll reply with what I've just read [I'll note however I'm only up to page 7 as I just started reading this afternoon while busy with other stuff]

        Originally Posted by Hoodyy View Post

        I'm just trying to understand exactly how much you're outsourcing.

        $25-$50 for your website setup.
        What exactly does this include? I assume you're using hosting similar to that of HostGator's reseller package.. Are you paying a freelancer to install Wordpress and a customized Wordpress theme?
        I'm assuming he uses SEO Hosting - SEO Web Hosting with cPanel and Multiple Class C IP Addresses ?? As he kinda implied that when he replied to one of the earlier questions with that link as the answer.
        [they are owned by hostgator btw]

        However he said he has also has dedicated servers as well as shared hosting.

        Originally Posted by Hoodyy View Post

        $15-$25 for your content.
        Here are you paying for X articles / reviews on the products and supplying the person doing the work for you with affiliate links etc?
        Still a bit of the mystery for me. But I assume he has a very detailed set of generic and specific instructions that he hands to them.

        However, before getting into outsourcing I STRONGLY recommend doing [and others have recommended this too] it yourself on a small scale with a handful of sites.

        THEN once you have got it sorted you can massively scale up via outsourcing.

        Better to do it slowly right, than very fast wrong.

        In this situation when it is composed of many little tiny pieces you should only once you know you're doing it right then try to speed up the process via outsourcing.

        Originally Posted by Hoodyy View Post

        $15-$20 for your backlinks.
        What exactly does this involve? How are you backlinking? Are you paying someone to just submit articles into directories?
        He has already said this is his gold and he won't give out the exact details [rightly so too].

        However... he has already mentioned a few details which you might be able to follow along to arrive at the "answer":

        >Hey...

        >Could you tell us more about your backlinking strategy?

        Backlinks are the #2 thing Google looks at, and is one of the most
        important factors to being ranked.

        I can't tell you my backlink sources. However I will tell you this:
        The best backlink is a direct backlink from a website, not a profile,
        book mark, etc.
        I build as many as I need to beat my competition. I look at how many
        they have individually and then how many they have all together, and
        produce about that number to start
        In more competitive niches I produce more backlinks gradually after
        the initial flux.
        Here is the most important thing
        The absolute best backlink for me has been getting into someones
        website's sidebar or footer. A direct (do-follow) link straight to my
        site with my anchor text.
        Think why?

        If you are on a blogs sidebar that has 200 posts, each individual
        single post STILL has that sidebar link on it. It's not just 1
        backlink, but it is now 200.
        I pay $.80-$1.50 per link that is permanent and do follow.
        If I buy 30 of them I will get between 300-500 backlinks due to the
        above sidebar factor.
        George, Google wants natural backlinking. They want site owners and
        the consumers to naturally talk about your websites, this is what
        backlinking was meant to be... an indication of popularity.

        Popularity contests are always biased.

        The key thing is to not buy links from link vendors as Google knows
        these vendors exist and are tracking where they are selling.

        I buy links from site owners. Not from exchanges, not from brokers,
        not from professionals.
        There is a LOT of info there... even if you can't work out exactly how he is doing it, it should at least provide you with an idea or two of your own as to how to go about effectively. It certainly has for me

        Originally Posted by Hoodyy View Post

        I'm also curious as to where you're outsourcing this work, it seems quite cheap to me - and if you're getting quality workers to complete this work then very, very useful - I can definitely see why you're so successful.
        This is just a generic tip here from me personally:
        a) use sites with feedback ratings
        b) give them a small job first to test them out before deciding on BIG jobs with them
        c) be very detailed in your instructions, they can only be as good as you let them be. You give them vague crap instructions, you can expect vague crap back


        Originally Posted by Hoodyy View Post

        Your model appeals to me very much. I'd much rather spend all day looking over analytics etc than writing my own content.
        I'd still recommend starting out doing it yourself.... because as others have also noted it, he succeeds because he has got a grasp of the whole package. This includes the psychology of the sales writing etc.... if you can't do this effectively yourself then how can you expect to outsource it out ultra cheaply to somebody else?
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  • Profile picture of the author tehnolife
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    Do you think it can works, if I make an online shop with products from amazon..CJ...and I get the site number one in google for the main keyword?

    What's your opinion?
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  • Profile picture of the author Web Junkie
    Great post! I do something similar to this with CJ and it works well. Except, I make use of article marketing as well.

    What I like about your post (which I don't focus on completely) is that you say to literally use the keyword without any other stop words. Do you mean to use the keyword for the product or for the type of product? Have you tested the two?

    Example:
    www.lumixlc100.com
    OR
    underwatercamera.com
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  • Just wanted to say congratulations. Definitely a very smart setup.

    Cheers,

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonblake10
    Originally Posted by LMC View Post

    It's been quite some time since I made a post.

    So here it goes:

    I currently have 235+ websites that are making anywheres from $4 to $50 per day, I have about 10 that do $50 a day, and the rest fluctuate.

    Some of them do a lot better during trends, for example, I built 80 websites targetting specific individual costumes for halloween, and they have been doing $10+ per day alone.

    I target low to mid competition keywords, find or buy exact match keywords (as they do make a difference despite what you've been told). When i say exact match, I mean, Your keyword = www.yourkeyword.com

    No stop words, no the, e, blog, online, NO prefixes or suffixes.

    All my websites are ranked #1 through #5 for all their target keywords. 80% of my traffic comes from the Big G, 10% of my traffic comes from Direct Traffic, meaning people who have bookmarked the sites, or people just inputting my website into the address bar. The remaining 10% comes from directories, forums, and article marketing ( I barely do any article marketing).

    So what are the characterisitcs of my websites:
    • They all target a specific product, usually ONE or TWO, sometimes I will expand to 20 - 50. I have a handful of websites that are 200 products deep as well. But I try to be as specific as possible.
    • They all target tangiable goods. I DO NOT sell digital items, because I find that I'm receiving around 25-35% conversions on my tangiable compared to my low 8% on digital products. There are less refunds, and to the consumer I seem more respectable as a merchant portal.
    • They contain 1 - 3 unique articles on them. Each article targets a different physchological factor behind buying a product. I first tell them who the customer of my product is, so in the case that I'm not identifying them, they get defensive and buy, and in the case I am identifying them, they understand they are a good customer for this product thus, they buy. I attack the social and economical factors of the product, I justify the merchants price, and tell them how it is being used in a social setting. (are celebrities wearing this coat, will this grill make for better barbeques, etc, etc)
    • They are all built in Wordpress.
    My only goal with my websites is to be #1 in Google. That is it. I give nothing about having web 2.0 feeders:

    No Twitter
    No Hubpages
    No Squidoo
    No EzineArticles

    Just Google. It is amazing on how much traffic you will receive in the first position of Google.

    Currently my Virtual Real Estate receives roughly around 23,000 uniques per day broken across all my websites.

    =====================
    How do I build it all?
    =====================

    I outsource every stupid little thing.

    All I care about is the niche, and how much money I am making.

    I outsource writing
    I outsource development
    I outsource backlinking

    I simply worry about producing sales and watching the analytics to decide when to build more content and or target more keywords.

    -------------------------

    VRE's as a business model is really great. It produces passive income, however there is a management side to things just like all business's. This is where people will succeed or fail.

    Understanding what your analytics are telling you.
    Understanding your top 10 competition and how to beat it.
    Understanding Opportunitties in the SERPs.

    Just like any business, there are pros and cons. Here the cons are, I pay a lot of money in registration fees, but I am profitting. I have to spend 4 hours each day looking at my analytics and current market positions. I spend about 2 hours a day researching new markets.

    Obviously I don't have to do it each and everyday, but if I'm not getting a sale I WANT TO KNOW WHY. So I study it.

    ---------------------------

    So I don't want to make this long winded, but ask your questions and i will respond when I can.
    This is great. I have fewer than 10 websites, but i'm working on changing that!
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Web Junkie,

    there is obviously a lot that I am not mentioning, and for good reasons.

    I try to stay away from trademark terms, because in the past when i went down this road I did receive a handful of letters from apparent attorney offices, don't know if they are real or not, didn't care to find out.

    In your Example:

    www.lumixlc100.com
    OR
    underwatercamera.com

    UnderwaterCamera would be my overall choice because it opens opportunity for more marketing. I can have multiple products, which i do like doing as much as i like to do specifics.

    However, don't put it past me to buy:

    www.model1.com
    www.model2.com
    www.model3.com
    www.model4.com

    All feeding as doorway pages for UnderwaterCamera.
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  • Profile picture of the author BethWilliams
    This is awesome LMC! I have a couple of sites like this that I've gotten to the top of Google with not much effort. It really does work, and your story is a great inspiration to just keep at it!

    thanks,
    Beth
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    Great work! Do you focus only on .com long tail keyword domains?

    I usually go for the .info when I test a new niche and the results are good enough (yeah I'm a cheap *******...) to pay for the .com later.
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  • Profile picture of the author osamabindrinking
    Ha, thats my plan too, Im up to 70 and I thought to go to 100, Google first place is so easy, i also have a costume portfolio, product domains and several larger sites, after your post I reckon I will just keep on going as long as the domains are still there.
    Well done dude! now the problem is everyone will be into it :-)
    As for running the operation, one day I would like to pay someone then learn kitesurfing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacqueline Smith
    You mention paying alot of money on "registration" fees. What fees are you referring to?

    Great business model.

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author babypar
    Great info, what kind of traffic levels do you look for. DO you look for exact or broad match
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  • Profile picture of the author Mrsparrow
    Hi LMC,

    Looks like you're under assault! )

    Here's my shot also:

    Could you tell us more about your backlinking strategy?
    - any services you often get and you recommend
    - what kind of backlinks you prefer (profile, bookmarks, private networks etc)
    - how many do you usually build per site
    - how fast


    Would be great if you'd share some more details

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author warriorzX
    Hi LMC,
    Thanks for your most generous insight and it's plugged a couple of gaps for me. I think I can get something going from this.
    This is the best non-WSO on warrior to date.
    Am off buying some more domains now (again!)
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  • Profile picture of the author abbie kye
    Great post and very inspiring! thanks so much.
    Do you mind sharing who your outsourcers are?
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    • Profile picture of the author LMC
      Hey...

      Could you tell us more about your backlinking strategy?

      Backlinks are the #2 thing Google looks at, and is one of the most important factors to being ranked.

      I can't tell you my backlink sources. However I will tell you this:
      • The best backlink is a direct backlink from a website, not a profile, book mark, etc.
      • I build as many as I need to beat my competition. I look at how many they have individually and then how many they have all together, and produce about that number to start
      • In more competitive niches I produce more backlinks gradually after the initial flux.
      Here is the most important thing
      • The absolute best backlink for me has been getting into someones website's sidebar or footer. A direct (do-follow) link straight to my site with my anchor text.
      Think why?

      If you are on a blogs sidebar that has 200 posts, each individual single post STILL has that sidebar link on it. It's not just 1 backlink, but it is now 200.

      ^^^^^^^^^
      this is gold.
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      • Profile picture of the author howinfo
        Originally Posted by LMC View Post

        Hey...

        Could you tell us more about your backlinking strategy?

        Backlinks are the #2 thing Google looks at, and is one of the most important factors to being ranked.

        I can't tell you my backlink sources. However I will tell you this:
        • The best backlink is a direct backlink from a website, not a profile, book mark, etc.
        • I build as many as I need to beat my competition. I look at how many they have individually and then how many they have all together, and produce about that number to start
        • In more competitive niches I produce more backlinks gradually after the initial flux.
        Here is the most important thing
        • The absolute best backlink for me has been getting into someones website's sidebar or footer. A direct (do-follow) link straight to my site with my anchor text.
        Think why?

        If you are on a blogs sidebar that has 200 posts, each individual single post STILL has that sidebar link on it. It's not just 1 backlink, but it is now 200.

        ^^^^^^^^^
        this is gold.
        As you mentioned that you outsource everything, can you recommend the link building service you use as it seems to me that they do a very good job.
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          • Profile picture of the author ShaunAllen
            LMC,

            Great Post. It sounds like you need to create your own webs stores and start selling the things instead of being an affiliate. Then again, that's a lot more work but it could also be a lot more money. Good luck and great work. You've made me realize I don't need to rely on Adwords to make money online.
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      • Profile picture of the author robinpike
        Originally Posted by LMC View Post


        Here is the most important thing
        • The absolute best backlink for me has been getting into someones website's sidebar or footer. A direct (do-follow) link straight to my site with my anchor text.
        Think why?

        If you are on a blogs sidebar that has 200 posts, each individual single post STILL has that sidebar link on it. It's not just 1 backlink, but it is now 200.

        ^^^^^^^^^
        this is gold.

        WOW.. .LMC this is some golden information!!! I can't believe you are giving these great nugglets for free!!! Thanks so much for sharing!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author ddlingo
        Originally Posted by LMC View Post

        Hey...

        Could you tell us more about your backlinking strategy?

        Backlinks are the #2 thing Google looks at, and is one of the most important factors to being ranked.

        I can't tell you my backlink sources. However I will tell you this:
        • The best backlink is a direct backlink from a website, not a profile, book mark, etc.
        • I build as many as I need to beat my competition. I look at how many they have individually and then how many they have all together, and produce about that number to start
        • In more competitive niches I produce more backlinks gradually after the initial flux.
        Here is the most important thing
        • The absolute best backlink for me has been getting into someones website's sidebar or footer. A direct (do-follow) link straight to my site with my anchor text.
        Think why?

        If you are on a blogs sidebar that has 200 posts, each individual single post STILL has that sidebar link on it. It's not just 1 backlink, but it is now 200.

        ^^^^^^^^^
        this is gold.
        How can you get backlinks into someones sidebar or footer? When you say you get more backlinks that your competition...I ahve noticed that a lot of times the site with the most backlinks is not always in first position. So are you saying that you will get more backlinks that any in the top 10, or just more links that first place?
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      • Profile picture of the author cnrimgr1
        Originally Posted by LMC View Post

        Hey...

        Could you tell us more about your backlinking strategy?

        Backlinks are the #2 thing Google looks at, and is one of the most important factors to being ranked.

        I can't tell you my backlink sources. However I will tell you this:
        • The best backlink is a direct backlink from a website, not a profile, book mark, etc.
        • I build as many as I need to beat my competition. I look at how many they have individually and then how many they have all together, and produce about that number to start
        • In more competitive niches I produce more backlinks gradually after the initial flux.
        Here is the most important thing
        • The absolute best backlink for me has been getting into someones website's sidebar or footer. A direct (do-follow) link straight to my site with my anchor text.
        Think why?

        If you are on a blogs sidebar that has 200 posts, each individual single post STILL has that sidebar link on it. It's not just 1 backlink, but it is now 200.

        ^^^^^^^^^
        this is gold.
        Yep totally agree. While content is king backlinks has a lot to do with it as well. Example. Brand new toy site getting awesome Google traffic starting to rank high on Squidoo has another squidoo competitor. More or less same url only difference is I have a hyphen and the other url has an underscore. That Squidoo has 33 backlinks with this keyword as anchor text while mine has a whole one backlink. Here's how I know it is not the content. The other lens has a whole 238 words while mine has 2500 words of content. Yes unique and written well. So backlinks do matter and you can imagine what i am spending my time doing - building quality backlinks!
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        • Profile picture of the author inter123
          Hi LMC.

          I looked at the dumbanddumber site, you are advertising one product at $46 but when I clicked and went to the merchant, it was selling at $56.

          I guess the price could have gone up in the last few days since the site was created. When using CJ affliated stores, is it ok to advertise price and particularly price which may not be correct? I have been trying Amazon marketing and I don't think they allow the associates to advertise price.

          Cheers.

          Jim.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    I would feel pretty good if you would know how to make websites that make $1 per day. It would be just a matter of making more sites to make more money!

    How do you guys do this?

    This is such a broad question how am I suppose to answer it?
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  • Profile picture of the author osamabindrinking
    My question is are they all on the same Ip and in your name?
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Hey Osama,

    They are not all on the same IP.
    For the most part, my company's name.

    Paulie,

    I have shared servers with HostGator, and two dedicated servers.
    I also have my IT guy who helps in maintenence he has his own server.
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    • Profile picture of the author TSDMike
      Hi LMC,

      First off thanks for taking the time to share this. It is truly a wealth of information.

      My question if you don't mind, is that I'd like to ask you to elaborate on your methods for identifying which products to promote. Obvious resources like Google trends and the keyword tool go without saying.

      What I am trying to ask is, do you look for a product in CJ or Linkshare to promote then check it's viability with respect to competition, search volume, domain availability? Or do you identify a demand and then seek out a product to serve that need?

      Any insights into your process would be greatly appreciated.

      MJ
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      • Profile picture of the author LMC
        Originally Posted by TSDMike View Post

        Hi LMC,

        First off thanks for taking the time to share this. It is truly a wealth of information.

        My question if you don't mind, is that I'd like to ask you to elaborate on your methods for identifying which products to promote. Obvious resources like Google trends and the keyword tool go without saying.

        What I am trying to ask is, do you look for a product in CJ or Linkshare to promote then check it's viability with respect to competition, search volume, domain availability? Or do you identify a demand and then seek out a product to serve that need?

        Any insights into your process would be greatly appreciated.

        MJ
        I rather not discuss my strategies on finding products, it is the core to my business.

        I can tell you that I first look to see what people are buying online.
        I then look to see what is being offered to me in regards to what people are buying.

        From there...

        That is where the money is.

        I use about 6 different strategies to finding good products and niches.

        I'll give away one.

        I use Ebay Pulse to see what people are buying. It constantly changes with trends and by breaking apart the broad (pulse) category you can find some really interesting niches.

        Example... did you know people buy bird cages? I for one didn't. The niche has tons of opportunity, I have yet to enter the market, but if you look into the niche you can see that it breaks down into sizes:

        Small Bird Cages
        Medium Bird Cages
        Large Bird Cages

        then there is the specific bird in regards to the cage:

        Canary Bird Cage

        I pretty sure one of the above is available and has a great search.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremiah Walsh
    Good post. This was exactly how I started out.

    Finding good people to outsource to was the problem for me. That took me a while to get right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Super Affiliate
    LMC,

    Wow, this is another inspiring success story. Thanks for sharing this. I'm making enough money everyday but if I'm thinking about a long term, your method is the way to do it I believe.

    Joe
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  • Profile picture of the author osamabindrinking
    Thanks LMC, so far my reseller account is ok, but I have been thinking about splitting things up (just in case) you realize you could have sold all this info. kudos for giving it away.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by osamabindrinking View Post

      Thanks LMC, so far my reseller account is ok, but I have been thinking about splitting things up (just in case) you realize you could have sold all this info. kudos for giving it away.

      You will find that about this forum - the people really doing well are happy to share their information. The people not making money need to sell it.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    osama,

    The amount of time to put the information together, package it off, right a sales page, and then deal with customer service would equate to about 50 sites being setup and producing daily income for me.

    There's making street income.
    Then there is making passive income.
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  • Profile picture of the author dwatkins
    Thanks for such a great post. I am wondering how much maintenance is required to keep it going. For instance, do you have to constantly change the offers, update coupons, etc. or is it set once and forget it? I don't seem to have much luck with CJ and amazon. I mostly do adsense, but it would be good to diversify.

    Also, do you only target high priced items? What price point would you consider to be not worth pursuing?
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  • Profile picture of the author matsumoto2307
    Hey,

    What sort of tools do you use to reverse engineer your competitors links?

    Mivka Mathieu
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      LMC,
      I have a question that I hope you dont mind me asking.

      I too am following a similiar strategy, however will be focusing on digital products, that are downloadable.

      My concerns given the fact that I intend on rolling out hundreds of sites over the next 12 months, is avoiding any type of Google penalties, or unwanted attention.

      Ive read a few postings on various forums, including WF, about members getting "slapped" or penalised, and losing hundreds of site rankings overnight, this for me is a concern, and something I would like to avoid if possible.

      My question is this....

      1. Do you register all of your domains PRIVATELY?
      2. Do you submit your sites to Google's Webmaster tools?
      3. Do you host all of your sites under the one account/hosting provider?
      4. If using adsense, at all, do you use seperate accounts to spread them out?

      Im hoping you care to shed some light on this for me, and of course for others with similiar interests.

      Cheers,
      John
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      • Profile picture of the author andromedae71
        Hello LMC,

        You mentioned that you don't use any stop words, prefixes or suffixes in your domain names.

        Did you test domains with these things in them in the past and found them not to rank in the serps?

        Best Regards,
        Don
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    • Profile picture of the author PhillTurner
      Great

      Just great.

      I think your dedication is what is amazing.

      Its hard to do it over and over again.

      Superb.

      I take my hat off to you

      Phill
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    • Profile picture of the author steveshoemaker
      Great post man seems like a logical and very practical plan to get sites ranking and making money. Could I ask who you use for your outsourcing? You can really get burned here thanks for the info.
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    • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
      Excellent post!

      I began creating these type of sites myself a few years back, but was constantly distracted. I hired outsource people to build these sites, but I wasn't good at training them and because of that they never got the job done right.

      I finally came up with a really good system on how to build these sites, what niches to target and how to train somebody.

      It's really cool because I have an awesome system set up with an outsource team that can crank out some really good web 2.0 strategies that are profitable and now I have someone that can crank out the websites too.

      I hired an outsource guy about 4 months ago to build niche websites just like you're doing.

      It took me about 2 months to train my employee to build these up, but it was definitely an excellent investment in time and money.

      I definitely made a profit this month by implementing your system alone...
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  • Profile picture of the author vok
    How much of your business is out sourced? I've seen this method on another forum and I did think about setting myself up with it but the problem I couldn't resolve was the cost and time management issue of running so many websites. Excellent that you've found a system that works proves that it is possible to do!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      This is a great business model. Rather than putting all your eggs in one basket, by diversifying and generating income from so many different sites you're in a MUCH better position to receive consistent income every single month.
      All his eggs are in one basket. The Google SEO ranking basket. If Google deindexes his sites, all his earnings disappear overnight.

      But...I'm 100% sure LMC has multiple non-SEO streams of income.

      I know this method works from experience. Google top ranking is quite easy to attain. The sidebar tip is Awesome!
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

        All his eggs are in one basket. The Google SEO ranking basket. If Google deindexes his sites, all his earnings disappear overnight.
        They aren't in one basket, they are in over 520 baskets. What are the odds google is going to de-index every one of his sites overnight?
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        • Profile picture of the author mathmo
          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          They aren't in one basket, they are in over 520 baskets. What are the odds google is going to de-index every one of his sites overnight?
          I think it is reasonable (although probably not likely?) possibility that they could all get de-indexed, if google notices a similarity between all of his sites which they then decide come down on.

          Like for instance his backlink strategy, I'm sure that is common across all his sites in terms of his method. Perhaps one day google may want to put a stop to that method?

          However I'm quite sure LMC would rise up from the ashes even stronger if google ever did such a thing

          Which brings me around to my question for LMC:

          I assume it hasn't been plain sailing the whole way? I'd be interested to know about the roller coaster ride to get to where you are, if there was one, what was the downswings and blind alley ways along the way?
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          • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
            Originally Posted by mathmo View Post

            I think it is reasonable (although probably not likely?) possibility that they could all get de-indexed, if google notices a similarity between all of his sites which they then decide come down on.
            If this was the case, then hundreds of millions of turnkey Wordpress sites would also be considered "similiar" and de-indexed. I highly doubt this could ever happen.
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            • Profile picture of the author mathmo
              Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

              If this was the case, then hundreds of millions of turnkey Wordpress sites would also be considered "similiar" and de-indexed. I highly doubt this could ever happen.
              I agree to an extent, thus google would have to be clever about how it differentiates between the innocent and intentional.

              Just saying never say never, as I suspect it could be done and if could be done... then far enough into the future it quite possibly will be done.
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    • Profile picture of the author boomstick
      I tried getting an article done and I first said, "Write an article about <topic>." I got back a generic article that really didn't say anything. So I told them to try and sell the product. The article I got back was too used-car-salesman like. So this went back and forth until I made them mad. lol

      How do you convey to your writers what you want the articles to say and how they should be constructed? What I mean is, what do you look for in a good article and how do I get a writer to deliver that?

      You are very generous. Thanks for sharing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
        Originally Posted by boomstick View Post

        How do you convey to your writers what you want the articles to say and how they should be constructed?
        Show them one. If they still can't do it, find new writers.
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    • Profile picture of the author shmeeko69
      What a post LMC & gives a great insight in to what is required to make a living from online marketing.

      I studied a couple of top online people & they focused on two things - number 1 with Google for their website related keywords & building a targeted list. If you can do both successfully then, you should do well in this game.

      235 websites is an awesome number over 7 years & I thought I was doing ok with 5 websites in 1 year & 4 months !

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    • Profile picture of the author staffjam
      Great post - i have quite a few product names such as BestDigitalCameras.com, WallStencils.com, etc... and many others - i've just been too lazy to do anything with them other than park them (where the revenue is now appalling) -or put up small minisites - that really make little to no money.

      I'd be interested in finding out more about your outsourcers if you would be willing to share. As someone else said - this seems to be the hardest part - good reliable minisite developers and article writers.

      You also mention that Backlinks are the #2 thing google looks at. What do you think the No.1 is?
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    • Profile picture of the author brendawyles
      This is really amazing, thanks for this information. I just can't imagine how you manage it like this. But because wealth creation has this wide selection of strategies to apply on, so no doubt about it.

      Success will really be at your hand, if you only know how to deal with it at any form especially having it online. This is where easy and fast money come.
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    • Profile picture of the author hamzidosh
      Honestly this post is one of the best I`ve read so far.
      But do you advice newbies to take this route? I`ve probably heard so much about focus
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    • Profile picture of the author Luis Medilo
      I've read this stuff before. LOL. Anyway, thanks LMC for the valuable information. I am looking for a business model that can be automated and replicated. I want to try a method like yours. I love making websites and I think I can do this, but I know I have a lot of study and work to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author carp104
      This is excellent, thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author cport
      Where is the call to action on this post?

      I have looked everywhere I could think of.

      Could someone tell me what the objective of the original poster was.

      Someone help me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
        Originally Posted by cport View Post

        Where is the call to action on this post?

        I have looked everywhere I could think of.

        Could someone tell me what the objective of the original poster was.

        Someone help me.
        To share a successful business model and help others...
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      • Profile picture of the author AndrewJohnson
        Originally Posted by cport View Post

        Where is the call to action on this post?

        I have looked everywhere I could think of.

        Could someone tell me what the objective of the original poster was.

        Someone help me.
        Maybe it was to help you and you're not quite bright enough to realise that?

        Stop looking a gift horse in the mouth and start realising that someone has given you a business model that genuinely works, makes money and doesn't require you to invest hundreds of dollars to buy it.

        Stop looking for the catch, say thanks and get on with - this is a 7 figure business model!
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    • Profile picture of the author kokosmokos
      Awesome! I will try to make as much blogspot blogs as i can
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    • Profile picture of the author garyfromdurham
      Great stuff and inspiring post.

      I love the way you are only promoting tangible products instead of digital goods.

      I have been looking at doing this for quite a while so thanks for the kick up the butt

      Gary
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    watkins,

    There is maintenance, but I outsource it now.

    Coupon codes do need to be adjusted, Sites do need to be updated at least once a month.

    Mivka,

    Market Samurai

    Chris,

    80% of this business model is outsourced.

    I research the niche.
    Decide on how to attack the market.
    Buy domain names.
    Choose the content type.

    Outsource everything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author coreytucker
    wow!! This came at the right time for me. I have always wondered if a method like this would work because it make's so much sense. There are so many phyiscal products out there to target that have low competion.

    I have always been focused on clickbank products because of the higher payout but I realize if I can make even 50 site's that average $3 a day that's an extra $150 a day coming in.

    I have a question though. Do you have any requirements for how many searches a term is getting per day? Or do you simply find any product that you see has at least 1 search per day for and target that? Im still a bit confused on how you manage to get traffic. I mean I struggle to get traffic to my clickbank products

    Thanks for the post!! Im going to get started on a method like this right away Oh and one last thing, how do you manage to get a sidelink backlink if you don't mind me asking? Also do you try to compete when each site on the first page has a lot of backlinks....or how do you realize if a keyword is too hard to compete for or not? Thanks!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    corey,

    I have a question though. Do you have any requirements for how many searches a term is getting per day?

    I don't enter keywords that have less then 30-50 searches per day in the First Position of Google. You assume that in the first position you will receive between 45-50% naturally, obviously this is adjusted by your meta description.


    Or do you simply find any product that you see has at least 1 search per day for and target that?

    This would be a waste, you have to consider the following funnel:

    Clickthrough from SERPS --> Your website conversion to advertiser --> Advertiser's conversion to sale.

    For instance, I get 100 unique views, 28% of them click to my advertiser, so my advertiser is getting 28 unique views. They convert at 2% , so I may not see a sale with 100 uniques per day... My goal is to increase my conversion or increase my traffic to result in 100 uniques for the advertiser, thus producing 2 sales per day.


    Im still a bit confused on how you manage to get traffic. I mean I struggle to get traffic to my clickbank products

    All through Google.


    How do you manage to get a sidelink backlink if you don't mind me asking?

    This is my gold, I can't give it away sorry.

    Also do you try to compete when each site on the first page has a lot of backlinks....

    It depends on what type of backlinks, backlinks to the main domain, or backlinks throughout their pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      corey,

      I have a question though. Do you have any requirements for how many searches a term is getting per day?

      I don't enter keywords that have less then 30-50 searches per day in the First Position of Google. You assume that in the first position you will receive between 45-50% naturally, obviously this is adjusted by your meta description.
      LMC,

      I believe the bold red is a tip that many of the folks may well have skipped over. It is one more way to get your targeted keyword/s in to the SE's. Taking the time to do a short, but effective meta description may well be like kicking a field goal in overtime.

      It could well be what puts you into # 1 on Google.

      You have me really putting on my thinking cap and I wanted to thank you personally.

      Ken Leatherman

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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Jesus,

    All his eggs are in one basket. The Google SEO ranking basket. If Google deindexes his sites, all his earnings disappear overnight.

    This is true. However, it won't happen considering my bounce rates are below 50% and there is nothing black hat about it.

    I do have other streams though, but if I did get deindexed...

    You may not see me any more :0

    jk

    maybe not though
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  • Profile picture of the author VicOnline
    LMC,

    Man I really appreciate you posting this. This is something you'd expect to see in the War Room or as a WSO.

    I have 2 questions for you.

    I'm a beginner, so I hope you don't mind if I ask a beginner question.

    Where do you get coupons from to offer your customers?

    Also you said that you can beat Amazon's prices. Where do you generally send people to that is cheaper than Amazon?

    Lastly, do you use an opt-in to try to collect any email addresses from these customers? Does it matter to you if the site you send these people to has an opt-in page or not?

    That was 3 questions, well mostly 3. LOL But this post is worthy of 3.
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  • Profile picture of the author coreytucker
    Thanks a ton LMC. What keyword tool do you use to determine if a keyword gets 30-50 searches per day? Thanks for answering....im really pumped about doing this
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    John,

    I pay $.80-$1.50 per link that is permanent and do follow.
    If I buy 30 of them I will get between 300-500 backlinks due to the above sidebar factor.


    Vic,

    Where do you get coupons from to offer your customers?

    Commission Junction and LinkShare are to good places to start. That's where I started, Naturally as you build an advertiser a lot of revenue they will try to take you "in-house" which is where the big dollars are made.

    They remove the third party networks allowing for you to earn more commission on sales, they provide custom merchant accounts for you.


    Also you said that you can beat Amazon's prices. Where do you generally send people to that is cheaper than Amazon?

    I beat amazons prices due to the above coupon codes.


    Lastly, do you use an opt-in to try to collect any email addresses from these customers?

    I use the coupon code to collect an opt-in for future marketing purposes.

    Does it matter to you if the site you send these people to has an opt-in page or not?

    I don't affiliate with anyone that has their own form unless I'm being paid for the lead.
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    • Profile picture of the author VicOnline
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post


      Vic,

      Where do you get coupons from to offer your customers?

      Commission Junction and LinkShare are to good places to start. That's where I started, Naturally as you build an advertiser a lot of revenue they will try to take you "in-house" which is where the big dollars are made.

      They remove the third party networks allowing for you to earn more commission on sales, they provide custom merchant accounts for you.


      Also you said that you can beat Amazon's prices. Where do you generally send people to that is cheaper than Amazon?

      I beat amazons prices due to the above coupon codes.

      LMC, thanks for responding, but I'm still a little confused.

      These coupons that you are talking about, are they like other online coupons? For example, 10% off, $5 off, etc. If so, are you saying that CJ & LS offer you these coupons? I'm not understanding how CJ or LS could offer a coupon for somebody else's product. Wouldn't these coupons be available to all affiliates if they did offer them?
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      • Profile picture of the author bitriot
        Originally Posted by VicOnline View Post

        LMC, thanks for responding, but I'm still a little confused.

        These coupons that you are talking about, are they like other online coupons? For example, 10% off, $5 off, etc. If so, are you saying that CJ & LS offer you these coupons? I'm not understanding how CJ or LS could offer a coupon for somebody else's product. Wouldn't these coupons be available to all affiliates if they did offer them?
        On CJ, when you are accepted into affiliate programs, often times the program managers will mail you coupons, sale banners and so forth.
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    • Profile picture of the author Anthony_Hall
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Lastly, do you use an opt-in to try to collect any email addresses from these customers?

      I use the coupon code to collect an opt-in for future marketing purposes.
      So it does work!

      Although to get people to opt in I've been writing buying guides or any little thing I can think of for a potential customer to download.

      Thank you so much for showing me another way!
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnCosmos
        Great thread. I know for a fact this works because I do something in a similar way on a similar (attempted) scale.

        I think the main point and path to success is there are ( at least) 2 parts:

        1. The planning/strategy ( finding niches, getting domains, keywords to target, affiliates,etc)
        2. Implementing it, the setup- Getting your content up, getting your links,etc.

        My big problem is the 2nd part. I tend to do very well at coming up with ideas, even registering the domains and all of that. But when it comes time to set everything up I have a hard time just doing it.

        It's "easier" to an extent when you can and have budgeted for outsourcing. I could kick myself because at certain points I've had the funding and plans to outsource different things and then just didn't act. Sometimes its better to be a buyer than a seller, and I have found ( after spending countless hours building links and submitting sites myself) many tasks are better outsourced. You just have to know what you are doing. You outsource the monotonous grunt work ( for example, you do the research to know what kind of links you need and what anchors, etc, then get someone else to do the repetitive tasks) and the specialized things you don't have the skill or time/interest in doing/learning.

        I guess I consider myself fortunate because I really have the first part down. I find a lot of people really struggle with the idea part, figuring out what to market. That comes very easily to me.

        Some such as myself get caught up the second part and others have troubles with both/all aspects. A lot of it is just about DOING.

        I know a lot of comments have warned people about not jumping into something and buying 100s of sites or anything just because one person is successful with this. I understand that, IF you don't figure out the strategy/research part first.

        However, I have NEVER failed to make a profitable site out of a Keyword domain, provided that I actually DID THE WORK. I'm not bragging, maybe I'm just good at choosing niches after years of trial and error with many aspects of internet marketing. There's really a whole lot involved in all of it. Someone like LMC can layout a basic outline/blueprint for it, but there is a lot of work required to figure it out for yourself.

        As far as outsourcing goes ( I notice a lot of questions about finding outsourced help), I look for providers in forums/places that are established and have a feedback/rating system. Then start with a small test. A lot of people will offer cheap intro/test packages of their work. Keep in mind, at least IMO, it is your job to figure out what you need to do and then delegate it. The outsources providers are only going to be as good as you allow them to. Same goes with the success of your sites. If you have bad strategy like chasing after the wrong keywords, using weak domains, bad link anchor text, etc..it's not going to turn out well. But if you really know how to hit all the aspects it's pretty much as simple as: get domains, get content, get links, monetize= make money.

        There are some people you can pretty much tell step by step exactly how to do things and they never will or they will limit themselves. For example, i have a friend I've helped out a lot, probably too much. My own business has suffered as a result of spending so much time explaining to others. My friend has a handful of sites that each make at least a few dollars a day. He could easily have a few hundred sites like that. Instead he's struggling. I guess he's "content" but not really content if you know what I mean. And he's probably doing better than most people who are into internet marketing. You read so many people on forums who have never made money or done much when some things are relatively simple. You can get domains for a buck and hosting for free. Content and ideas come from your own time at your leisure. it all comes down to doing things. Don't proceed blindly but don't get caught up paralysis by analysis.

        guess I'll take my own advice and go work on a few of my few hundred sites that still need to be setup.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Nice analysis of an actual business. If you are going to be making a lot of money, you will have to spend some money, too.

    The interesting thing about this is that it seems, in the long run, you probably have less overhead than the average offline business that brings in the same amount in revenue.

    That's what makes marketing online great!
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Corey,

    I use Market Samurai.

    I take my SEOT number, which is the searches in the first position of Google.
    I multiple that number by my PBR percentage, which is my phrase to broad search ratio.
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    • LMC,
      Thanks a lot for being so generous with this information and with your time. \

      Figuring out how many searches per month is good to target is one thing I've struggled with as everyone seems to have their own idea and it's often not clear which figures they are using. You've been really specific here and I appreciate that, but I want to make sure I'm not confused due to my ignorance about some of the terms you've used.

      So, if I was using the Google keyword tool and skipping Market Samurai (for now), would this be an accurate equation to figure the number of searches per month?

      EXACT Searches X (Phrase / BROAD)=SEARCHES PER MONTH

      And you only target that keyword string if that final number equates to 30-50 per day-correct? Also, there has been a big uproar lately about Google's changes with their keyword tool and Market Samurai's figures were perceived as innacurate as a result. Has this affected your business at all or the way that you analyze your numbers?

      I appreciate any answers and thanks again for the thread. Some real nuggets in here.

      All the Best,
      James



      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Corey,

      I use Market Samurai.

      I take my SEOT number, which is the searches in the first position of Google.
      I multiple that number by my PBR percentage, which is my phrase to broad search ratio.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by dru-man View Post

        Figuring out how many searches per month is good to target is one thing I've struggled with as everyone seems to have their own idea and it's often not clear which figures they are using.
        Dru-Man,

        LMC may use different rules however, I use the following parameters as a general guide, and this has seen relatively good results. These search figures are based on Google search only.

        SEARCHES PER DAY - At least 60 exact searches per day.
        PHRASE SEARCH - less than 60,000. Less than 30,000 is a definite goer.
        ALLINTITLE SEARCH - less than 1,500. Less than 500 is a definite.

        PBR would be calculated as such...as calculated by Market Samurai for a given keyword (below).

        "how to play an acoustic guitar"

        ESPD (exact searches per day) - 19
        SEOT (expected clicks or search engine traffic) - 7
        SEOC (search engine competition ) - 25,200
        SEOTC (seach engine competition in title) - 344
        SEOTCR (search engine ratio based on SEOTC/SEOC) - 1%
        PBR - 6%

        As you can see, this keyword wouldnt qualify, as the ESPD is too low. What you are looking for is high ESPD, high SEOT, low SEOC, low SEOTC, low SEOTCR and a PBR of at least 15%.

        I dont intend to hijack the thread, I just thought I would share what works for me...

        Hope this helps dude.
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        • Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

          Dru-Man,

          LMC may use different rules however, I use the following parameters as a general guide, and this has seen relatively good results. These search figures are based on Google search only.

          SEARCHES PER DAY - At least 60 exact searches per day.
          PHRASE SEARCH - less than 60,000. Less than 30,000 is a definite goer.
          ALLINTITLE SEARCH - less than 1,500. Less than 500 is a definite.

          PBR would be calculated as such...as calculated by Market Samurai for a given keyword (below).

          "how to play an acoustic guitar"

          ESPD (exact searches per day) - 19
          SEOT (expected clicks or search engine traffic) - 7
          SEOC (search engine competition ) - 25,200
          SEOTC (seach engine competition in title) - 344
          SEOTCR (search engine ratio based on SEOTC/SEOC) - 1%
          PBR - 6%

          As you can see, this keyword wouldnt qualify, as the ESPD is too low. What you are looking for is high ESPD, high SEOT, low SEOC, low SEOTC, low SEOTCR and a PBR of at least 15%.

          I dont intend to hijack the thread, I just thought I would share what works for me...

          Hope this helps dude.

          Awesome, thanks a lot for hopping in and answering so thoroughly, John. This is very helpful, and I'm sure LMC doesn't mind as he's getting hammered with questions right now. LOL

          Cheers,
          James
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  • Profile picture of the author Nolimit2it
    Darn This IS Exciting...
    I've believed that this format of a business model would work and work well but I had no idea that it could be expanded to this level.
    Thanks for making my BRAIN hurt with thinking about how to get this moving forward. I've been "playing" with the business model but never really got things working the way I felt they could.
    Great Post LMC... sharing this info was like a kick in the butt... onward and upward!
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  • Profile picture of the author eiilers
    So do you do any email marketing or list building on these sites? Or don't you worry about autoresponders and list building?
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  • Profile picture of the author gotti3636
    Thanks for sharing LMC.

    I actually just started to look in to this recently because I know it works well.

    I currently have 10 websites under way with a plan for another 100 soon after seeing the results of the first 10 All are 100% outsourced (I'm not even choosing the niche/product - I'm just supplying the money and details (like clickbank ID, amazon ID, CJ links etc.) to get the job done )
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    • Profile picture of the author thaismr
      Originally Posted by gotti3636 View Post

      Thanks for sharing LMC.

      I actually just started to look in to this recently because I know it works well.

      I currently have 10 websites under way with a plan for another 100 soon after seeing the results of the first 10 All are 100% outsourced (I'm not even choosing the niche/product - I'm just supplying the money and details (like clickbank ID, amazon ID, CJ links etc.) to get the job done )
      How do you check if they did a good job researching the niche?

      Do you give any type of orientation as to how low competition you want, and how big of a market share (searches/month) you want?
      :confused:

      I'm asking this because, like LMC, that's one task I wouldn't want to outsource.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mhoram
      Originally Posted by gotti3636 View Post

      I currently have 10 websites under way with a plan for another 100 soon after seeing the results of the first 10 All are 100% outsourced (I'm not even choosing the niche/product - I'm just supplying the money and details (like clickbank ID, amazon ID, CJ links etc.) to get the job done )
      I'm puzzled: if they're doing all the work including researching and choosing the niche, what do they need you for? Why don't they get their own Clickbank/Amazon/CJ IDs and keep all the profits for themselves?
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      • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
        Thats a great technique, where do you buy your domains?

        And also what is ur main monetization model....adsense, affiliate marketing? i havent ready everything since its so long....

        But i do want to build a huge pile of sites too.
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        • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
          Originally Posted by Terry Gorry View Post

          Where will you get the time to build a huge pile of sites, promote, back link, monitor, outsource etc. if you haven't the time to read this thread?
          You are right... but I just had specific questions. I'm looking for cheap domains and also, what niches do you guys suggest?
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinBurns
    Looks like a great system
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    So do you do any email marketing or list building on these sites? Or don't you worry about autoresponders and list building?

    Every website I own has an opt-In on it. It's the best way to produce long term customer value.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy Daugherty
    May I know if how long you've been into this industry and how many months it takes for you to get the figures you've mentioned? It is interesting...
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  • Profile picture of the author snapcontent
    Nice post. Especially the monetization advice - as you say, Amazon with tehir short cookie only really catches the 'impulse' shopper.
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  • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
    I'm not going to bombard you with questions LMC, since I know my way around marketing and the internet. I did want to pass along the thanks for the great information that you have shared with us here.
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  • Profile picture of the author teaball
    LMC,
    You have 2 problems with this model. 1.) it's too simple; 2.) the model makes too much money for being so simple.

    Yes, I'm jesting with the model's elegant simplicity of "Find what works, rinse, repeat."

    I have a question about analytics for your site tracking. Who's is the strongest? in-house? Your own?

    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author George Chernikov
    I just have one question - LMC mentioned paying for do-follow links, but isn't that illegal in Google's eyes? Or is my fever getting the better of me and I got it all wrong?
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  • Profile picture of the author EndGame
    Hi George,

    I know Google doesn't like it, and it might violate their TOS, but it's not "illegal" as such.

    If you are buying the links in a way that Google cannot detect it, then it becomes very tough and almost impossible for Google to enforce that term/rule.

    Many SEO blogs and the like will also tell you that Google is starting to discount site-wide links in sidebars and footers of websites, and sites that use these in backlinking may see a drop in rankings.

    However, what people say, and what is working are two different things. A lot of people will tell you profile links, forum signatures, blog comments (and some times even articles submitted to directories) don't work any more or are being clamped down on. If you do a little research however, you see a lot of sites ranking for good terms using all these "bad" techniques.

    The only way to know for sure is to test and try it yourself.

    I realize the second part of my post here does not really answer or address your question, but I thought I would throw it in here for other readers who it might interest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
    Love this thread so much I subscribed.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephenxanders
    Originally Posted by John McEachern View Post

    May I ask how long it took you to get to this point in your business? And did you originally start by outsourcing everything?

    Good point John. For sure this is not something that was instantly created and built. 235+ website is quite hard to develop and the more harder to look for several niche to target.

    However, I'm really impressed and inspired. Because if he can do it. Then we can too. I'm just thinking what kinds of online business tools he is using to created all this success online. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Ok Ok ok... lots of questions over night, hopefully i answer them all here:

    Dru-Man,

    My equations on search were calculated based on Market samurai's descrepency. I looked at what a sample size of 15 of my #1 sites were getting for the specific keyword term and reverse calculated where it would fall in Market samurai.

    For me, it was Phrase in 1st position * PBR% = Traffic Per Day * 30 = Monthly.

    It was more or less a flip of the coin until i prepared the above calculation with the MS to Google Keyword discrepency. But now it is pretty consistent, but i still double check my results.

    Ramone is absolutely correct in his analyse of a keyword.

    I also will check the following in google:

    intitle:"my keyword" and inanchor:"my keyword"

    That above phrase will give you a X,XXX number, I find this to be my PURE competition, people targetting my keyword in their titles and content. People who understand Internet Marketing. The lower this is, the easier it is to rank.

    To be honest I would have to look at Google's tool and figure out the right calculation, i don't think they display PBR% so you would have to self figure out that ratio.

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    1. Do you register all of your domains PRIVATELY?
    2. Do you submit your sites to Google's Webmaster tools?
    3. Do you host all of your sites under the one account/hosting provider?
    4. If using adsense, at all, do you use seperate accounts to spread them out?


    I register most of my domains privately. My larger webstores of more then 20 products will get accurate contact information, including a mailing address.

    I do not submit to Google's Webmaster Tools

    I don't host all of them under one hosting account.

    I never use adsense. It destroys my conversion on my sales and signups.

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    George, Google wants natural backlinking. They want site owners and the consumers to naturally talk about your websites, this is what backlinking was meant to be... an indication of popularity.

    Popularity contests are always biased.

    The key thing is to not buy links from link vendors as Google knows these vendors exist and are tracking where they are selling.

    I buy links from site owners. Not from exchanges, not from brokers, not from professionals.

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    Coming back to penalties, your main goals once you are receiving traffic is to keep your bounce rate as low as possible. If your receiving 75-85% bounce rates you are in threat of being penalize for non-relevancy. If people are using your site and staying on it, it is obviously relevant and should be in it's given position.

    EndGame,

    Really don't know what blogs your reading, or if they are people trying to just creat controversy. It would make NO SENSE for Google to dislike sidebar links considering they are a PURE link in their minds.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

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      1. Do you register all of your domains PRIVATELY?
      2. Do you submit your sites to Google's Webmaster tools?
      3. Do you host all of your sites under the one account/hosting provider?
      4. If using adsense, at all, do you use seperate accounts to spread them out?

      I register most of my domains privately. My larger webstores of more then 20 products will get accurate contact information, including a mailing address.

      I do not submit to Google's Webmaster Tools

      I don't host all of them under one hosting account.

      I never use adsense. It destroys my conversion on my sales and signups.

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      Thanks dude, understood.

      Sorry, one more question....

      Do you use Google Analytics? ....or a third party app for stats???
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  • Profile picture of the author EndGame
    Hi LMC,

    I read a variety of blogs and forums, a lot from the affbuzz.com website, all the way to seomoz etc.

    Across some of these blogs and forums, I have seen people talk about sidebar and footer links loosing weight in the Google algorithm and the possibility of sites using such links being penalized.

    That however was not my point.

    My point was, you will see lots of bloggers and forum owners tell you all sorts of things that do and don't work. The reality is, just because they write about it, doesn't make them right, and as a result there is a lot of disinformation around.

    The only way to know what works is by going out and testing it yourself and getting "in the trenches".

    So in this instance, although there is a school of thought that thinks sidebar links are getting penalized or loosing effectiveness it obviously isn't the case when you analyze the backlinks of ranking websites, or implement the technique yourself.

    I was not having a pop at you or saying you were wrong. Quite the opposite, and at the same time making a broader point.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by EndGame View Post

      Hi LMC,

      I read a variety of blogs and forums, a lot from the affbuzz.com website, all the way to seomoz etc.

      Across some of these blogs and forums, I have seen people talk about sidebar and footer links loosing weight in the Google algorithm and the possibility of sites using such links being penalized.
      I can say with absolute certainty that this isnt the case. Ive been using this method myself since 2004 with excellent results.
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      • Profile picture of the author EndGame
        Hi Ramone,

        I am not saying it is the case, and I am not disputing what you are saying. I was making another point, albeit very clumsily!

        I think I am just going to go back to work. :-/
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Very nice for you to take the time to post this. Good man! (Although I can already smell the influx of canary bird cage sales in the world. Lol).

    Good to note, anyone without a lot of money can begin doing the work themselves, and those with money can outsource everything (except the management, but if you could find the right person, you could probably outsource that as well.)

    Great post, Great WSO, wish you all the success in the world.

    On a side note, one should always worry about the Big G and what they are likely to do next. Just like dumping money into mutual funds netted 10-12% for 25+ years and then crashed and burned, hate to see you have 80% of your traffic come from 'G' and have something unforeseen change drastically. (Of course by then, lets hope you can retire. )
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  • Profile picture of the author George Chernikov
    Hmmm... Half-tempted to throw $10k at it next week and see where it takes me in a month
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Hey endgame,

    I'm not thinking your taking a pop at me, I'm just being ignorant lol, I'll have to check out what's they are saying, in my practice I've seen better results with sidebars.

    Dogscout,

    I'm not going to waste time with WSOs or customer service, its not my cup of tea, its to much labor.
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    • Profile picture of the author sucan
      Dear LMC can you please tell what kind of hosting do you use, one hosting is like risky and many dedicated servers are like too costly, please advice.
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      • Profile picture of the author Wide
        Originally Posted by sucan View Post

        Dear LMC can you please tell what kind of hosting do you use, one hosting is like risky and many dedicated servers are like too costly, please advice.
        Use VPS servers, cost like ~$25/mo.
        Put up 30-40 sites and they cost less than a buck per month to host.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Dude, just incase you missed it...

    Do you use Google Analytics or a third party app for stats?

    Cheers,
    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Hunter
      John,

      He mentioned here - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...l#post2729007:

      "I register most of my domains privately. My larger webstores of more then 20 products will get accurate contact information, including a mailing address.

      I do not submit to Google's Webmaster Tools

      I don't host all of them under one hosting account.

      I never use adsense. It destroys my conversion on my sales and signups."

      Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Ramone,

    Sorry I missed that question... I use google analytics
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Ramone,

      Sorry I missed that question... I use google analytics
      Cool thanks man. So I assume no "unwanted attention" using GA?

      All under the one account, or multiple? And if under multiple, do you have a threshold for how many sites you monitor under the one account?

      Sorry for all the questions dude, Ill PM you $25 via paypal for your time
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      • Profile picture of the author rizzy
        Originally Posted by brittlesnc View Post

        LMC,

        I'm suprised you made that much because according to the Google Keyword Tool "dumb and dumber tuxedo" got 720 EXACT local monthly searches for the month of September; 2,400 searches for BROAD; and 1,600 for PHRASE.

        Hasn't shown the month of October yet but I expect the searches will be higher than this, but even so, your conversions must be really amazing.

        Quick question though, what do you look at as far as determining number of searches for a particular keyword---exact, phrase, or broad?

        I would think exact being that you would want to know EXACTLY how many searches the EXACT keyword gets on average per month.
        Here is your answer to the question about searches brittlesnc...

        Originally Posted by LMC View Post

        corey,

        I have a question though. Do you have any requirements for how many searches a term is getting per day?

        I don't enter keywords that have less then 30-50 searches per day in the First Position of Google. You assume that in the first position you will receive between 45-50% naturally, obviously this is adjusted by your meta description.


        Or do you simply find any product that you see has at least 1 search per day for and target that?

        This would be a waste, you have to consider the following funnel:

        Clickthrough from SERPS --> Your website conversion to advertiser --> Advertiser's conversion to sale.

        For instance, I get 100 unique views, 28% of them click to my advertiser, so my advertiser is getting 28 unique views. They convert at 2% , so I may not see a sale with 100 uniques per day... My goal is to increase my conversion or increase my traffic to result in 100 uniques for the advertiser, thus producing 2 sales per day.


        Im still a bit confused on how you manage to get traffic. I mean I struggle to get traffic to my clickbank products

        All through Google.


        How do you manage to get a sidelink backlink if you don't mind me asking?

        This is my gold, I can't give it away sorry.

        Also do you try to compete when each site on the first page has a lot of backlinks....

        It depends on what type of backlinks, backlinks to the main domain, or backlinks throughout their pages.
        Originally Posted by LMC View Post

        Corey,

        I use Market Samurai.

        I take my SEOT number, which is the searches in the first position of Google.
        I multiple that number by my PBR percentage, which is my phrase to broad search ratio.
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      • Profile picture of the author rizzy
        Originally Posted by kea55 View Post

        LMC...do you use market samurai or something to find those exact keywords that have under 30,000 searches.? I've been looking for the last couple nights..no success
        See below for your answer...

        Originally Posted by LMC View Post

        watkins,

        There is maintenance, but I outsource it now.

        Coupon codes do need to be adjusted, Sites do need to be updated at least once a month.

        Mivka,

        Market Samurai

        Chris,

        80% of this business model is outsourced.

        I research the niche.
        Decide on how to attack the market.
        Buy domain names.
        Choose the content type.

        Outsource everything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Hey,

    I do everything as whitehat as possible, and I have not had an issue with GA or Google in regards to unwanted attention.

    I have 5 accounts each with 100 websites
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    • Profile picture of the author DonGroom
      Hey LMC,

      When you say you are using coupons, what exactly are you talking about. Sorry I am a noob..... you have to start somewhere. lol


      Whos products do you market? and is it possible I can see an example of one of your websites?
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I never thought about collecting emails for my physical product sites - what do you email them about? They benefits of the product ..... it's uses ... etc...?

    I would imagine with that many sites you would have to just setup an autoresponder sequence that just spits out the emails at a preset interval.

    Gosh, now you have me thinking about this because I havent had that as part of my plan.

    Thanks for being so generous with your time in this thread - you probably could have made a few more sites with that time!

    Lee
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Hunter
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      I never thought about collecting emails for my physical product sites - what do you email them about? They benefits of the product ..... it's uses ... etc...?

      I would imagine with that many sites you would have to just setup an autoresponder sequence that just spits out the emails at a preset interval.

      Gosh, now you have me thinking about this because I havent had that as part of my plan.

      Thanks for being so generous with your time in this thread - you probably could have made a few more sites with that time!

      Lee
      Lee,

      What you would need to focus on if you did set up an e-mail newsletter for each of your sites, are products that are related to the main product that your site is about. Adding an e-mail sequence to sites selling physical products is a great idea and something else I have always wondered about is if it is possible to somehow create an incentive for sites that are outside of the sites that he mentions, such as Commission Junction. What I've been trying to find is a way of some kind to actually incentivize selling products for Amazon.com.

      I'd love to hear of a way to do that! LMC, thanks for sharing and for answering questions!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
    Great thread! I've read through it and I really appreciate your taking the time to do this.

    I've been looking into doing something like this for a while, so it makes me happy that it works! One question, though.

    Any advice on how to begin outsourcing it? I kind of want to get together 1K and invest it in about 10 of these sites to get started. How long would it take me to recoup the money to invest it in another 10 sites, do you think?
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by Zabrina View Post

      Great thread! I've read through it and I really appreciate your taking the time to do this.

      I've been looking into doing something like this for a while, so it makes me happy that it works! One question, though.

      Any advice on how to begin outsourcing it? I kind of want to get together 1K and invest it in about 10 of these sites to get started. How long would it take me to recoup the money to invest it in another 10 sites, do you think?
      Zabrina,
      You might want to download the sample work order form I posted in THIS THREAD. It might come in useful when you begin outsourcing
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    cashcow,

    Basically this is how I do it.

    I use an instant coupon code to build a list of subscribers, it's not that great of a conversion, just around 8-12%.

    I use SINGLE opt-in, and send them an instant message through my autoresponder that gives them the product coupon. In most cases I have other discounts for the entire advertiser, like 10% off anything. I will send that to them to.

    To build consistent revenue through my lists I choose related and growth products.

    Meaning. let's say I sell some baby clothes to a customer through one of my websites. It only makes sense that in a year or two they will need infant clothes, in two more years, small child clothing, etc, etc

    You grow with the customer. Those are growth products.

    In another example, since it is most recent:

    I sell a Halloween Costume. I send them an email about hosting or going to a Halloween party and some accessories that they can bring or use.

    Since my buyer is "festive" minded, I can market to them Christmas products and pretty much every holiday.


    Zabrina,

    I would say it would take 4-6 weeks to correctly position those sites, and once positioned (#1 in Google), I could make it back in as little as two weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Thanks so much for your reply ... I can't believe I never thought to do this. Isn't it funny how you get set in your ways and forget to "think". Anyway, now that you have gotten me thinking the wheels are spinning and I can see plenty of things to send to them in an email. Thanks!

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    Wonderful. You have given a great idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author gmr324
    You mentioned that you use Google Analytics on your sites but don't submit them to the Google Webmaster tools. I'm just curious why this is? Does this mean you don't submit sitemaps and robots.txt files?

    How tightly do you adhere to getting sidebar links on sites in the same exact niche as your websites?

    What link velocity do you maintain to keep your #1 website positions once they are attained in maintenance mode?
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  • Profile picture of the author NicholasX
    just wondering, if you have 200+ websites.. so that means you have to pay $5 (for hosting) x 235 = $1175 per month? and $8 ( for domain) x 235 = $1880 per year ?

    thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author gabluesky
      Hi,

      Thanks for all the useful information. Can you suggest a particular wordpress theme for these types of sites and also additional plugins that you use?

      Thanks,

      bluesky
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      • Profile picture of the author rhondaklewis
        Hi LMC, I was wondering if you use any domain other than .com.
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    • Profile picture of the author BarryOnline
      Originally Posted by NicholasX View Post

      just wondering, if you have 200+ websites.. so that means you have to pay $5 (for hosting) x 235 = $1175 per month? and $8 ( for domain) x 235 = $1880 per year ?

      thanks
      EDIT: LMC answered the questions
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  • Profile picture of the author Whisper01Barry
    What a great idea.
    Thank You
    Barry
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    When is the e-book coming out?
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  • Profile picture of the author sarahberra
    Wow this awesome!! Even $4 per day is a high return on your investment because websites are so cheap to host and build. I am trying to set up an auto-blog network to do the exact same thing. I would even be happy with $1. per day. Thank you for sharing! Perhaps you could sell and e-book about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    just wondering, if you have 200+ websites.. so that means you have to pay $5 (for hosting) x 235 = $1175 per month? and $8 ( for domain) x 235 = $1880 per year ?

    I don't pay monthly for each site, I pay monthly for a fixed cost for unlimited domains.

    Also have dedicated servers

    Yes the domain registration is about accurate.

    You mentioned that you use Google Analytics on your sites but don't submit them to the Google Webmaster tools. I'm just curious why this is? Does this mean you don't submit sitemaps and robots.txt files?

    You don't need to submit your sitemaps and robot.txt for Google to read them, it is a theory by submitting them you will be indexed faster but I find this theory to be as close to surviving through a blackhole.

    I am just patient and wait for Google to index me at their speed, and then I increase my cache rate.

    How tightly do you adhere to getting sidebar links on sites in the same exact niche as your websites?

    5-10% of my backlinks are relevant.

    What link velocity do you maintain to keep your #1 website positions once they are attained in maintenance mode?

    I don't adjust my link velocity until i see myself moving out of the top ranks, otherwise I let the natural links come in.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      ....then I increase my cache rate.
      How is this achieved dude?
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  • Profile picture of the author Debbie Allen
    LMC - Thanks for sharing - it's posts like yours that make this forum so wonderful! You have given all of us ideas about productive ways to be spending our time. I can't wait to finish the project I'm working on so I can focus on this...

    Just wanted to say Thank You!
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  • Profile picture of the author Asher
    Hi LMC,

    Great stuff you're sharing here. Much appreciated.

    Quick question on the hosting, I might have missed
    that response... where do you get the different c
    class hosting for all your different domains?

    I've read about that but never really understood how
    that worked - all I know is that it's said to be 1 of
    the requirements to having your site protected from
    the slap happy Google just because each site has its
    own unique IP address.

    Asher
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    • Profile picture of the author JoeWunschSEO
      Originally Posted by Asher View Post

      Hi LMC,

      Great stuff you're sharing here. Much appreciated.

      Quick question on the hosting, I might have missed
      that response... where do you get the different c
      class hosting for all your different domains?

      I've read about that but never really understood how
      that worked - all I know is that it's said to be 1 of
      the requirements to having your site protected from
      the slap happy Google just because each site has its
      own unique IP address.

      Asher
      Google is not going to penalize you for hosting hundreds of domains from a single IP address. There is nothing wrong with that, I have over 1200 domains hosted from a single IP address on my dedicated server, and all of them are ranking very well on google (except for newer projects of course, but my point was, zero penalties).

      Unless you are inter-linking your domains, I do not see any point in getting different IP's or registrar information for them.

      Think about all of the cheap-o hosting companies that slap thousands of users onto the same server, all on the same IP. Unless you are interlinking them and trying to outsmart their algorithm you are fine.

      Anyone who disagrees, please reply I am always interested in different opinions!

      Joe
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      • Profile picture of the author dsiomtw
        Joe I think that's a good point and what you're saying is technically true, but I can tell you that if I owned that many sites and relied on Google for almost all my traffic there's no way in hell that I would want Google to know about all my sites (or be able to easily figure it out). That's just an unnecessary risk if you ask me. One day out of the blue they could decide that your sites aren't providing enough "value" to users, and de-index them all at once since you made it so easy for them to find all your sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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          Originally Posted by dsiomtw View Post

          Joe I think that's a good point and what you're saying is technically true, but I can tell you that if I owned that many sites and relied on Google for almost all my traffic there's no way in hell that I would want Google to know about all my sites (or be able to easily figure it out). That's just an unnecessary risk if you ask me. One day out of the blue they could decide that your sites aren't providing enough "value" to users, and de-index them all at once since you made it so easy for them to find all your sites.
          No offense, but your argument doesn't make a lot of sense.
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          • Profile picture of the author osamabindrinking
            Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

            No offense, but your argument doesn't make a lot of sense.
            I had a question for google webmasters about interlinking and found a post by a guy who had over 300 sites taken down overnight by G. he was gutted and the reply was, thin affiliate sites no real value for the user.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    LMC, you are very gracious to share this with us, thank you.

    I have taken a personal lesson from what LMC is teaching here - and I'm not talking about his exact method of making money online. Here are my "take-aways" from LMC, if you will:

    1. It is obvious that LMC is successful because he has identified a business strategy that works and he simply replicates that exact strategy over and over again.

    2. LMC is successful because he is mastering "leveraging" of his time with out-sourcing, software tools, auto-responders, templates, etc.

    3. LMC has the work ethic necessary to spend hours daily on his business doing those activities that he does best and out-sourcing the rest. He is consistent, persistent (been doing this for years), observant.

    4. He pays attention to little details on each site and changes or fixes things that aren't producing ... in other words, he is learning and adapting to what works as he goes. He doesn't just throw up a site never to return again. He monitors (his site and the competition), watches the analytics (where traffic is coming from, etc) and adds links and content over time if needed to stay atop the SERPs.

    5. He rides the waves of consumer interest (especially buying). How many of us really try to get a handle on whether our products are "hot" at the time we offer them?

    6. LMC gives his customers added value (coupons, special offers, etc). It's obvious to me that he has a "giving" attitude (even though I don't know him personally) as evidenced by this sharing here and all his followup question answering.


    [ Side note to newbies ]
    Have you ever wondered why so many of the "make money online" products rarely work for the purchaser even though the owner touts screenshots of fabulous income?

    A. You have to do the work - most people can never force themselves into consistent, persistent action like LMC has shown
    B. Success comes by executing specific details. Often, the product you purchased doesn't go into little details about the system ... look at this thread folks ... what is everybody asking about and why is the thread so long? ... people want to know the fine details of the execution and LMC is giving them!
    C. People are impatient - if LMC had bagged his strategy after a month or two or six, would he be sharing his success with us today? Hardly

    My formula for success: (1) a money-making strategy that truly has been proven to work where all the specific details are shared (like LMC's example) - AND - (2) an owner that puts in the investment, effort, attention to detail, and persistence that's needed. Sadly, for most would-be Internet entrepreneurs, either one or both of these essential ingredients is missing.
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    • Profile picture of the author sunnygal
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      [ Side note to newbies ]
      Have you ever wondered why so many of the "make money online" products rarely work for the purchaser even though the owner touts screenshots of fabulous income?

      A. You have to do the work - most people can never force themselves into consistent, persistent action like LMC has shown
      B. Success comes by executing specific details.
      C. People are impatient
      Excellent analysis Steve.
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    • Profile picture of the author thaismr
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post


      [ Side note to newbies ]
      Have you ever wondered why so many of the "make money online" products rarely work for the purchaser even though the owner touts screenshots of fabulous income?


      My formula for success: (1) a money-making strategy that truly has been proven to work where all the specific details are shared (like LMC's example) - AND - (2) an owner that puts in the investment, effort, attention to detail, and persistence that's needed. Sadly, for most would-be Internet entrepreneurs, either one or both of these essential ingredients is missing.
      I think there's more into it than that..

      If you'll all excuse me for taking this out of my system..:

      All products I've ever seen being marketed have a footnote stating that even if you follow their systems throughly, you may not make as much money as them and their testimonials, "if you even make any money at all".

      Additionally, they say that all testimonials in the sales page are from "exceptional results" and that buyers are not supposed to expect the same results from their efforts, even if they follow the system.

      And that's even true for sales letter where there were complaints about other products, who would state only 2%-4% of buyers would ever manage to earn a nice income from it. If it's not easy, not fast, not suitable for people with hard-working regular jobs already, those same people targeted by the sales letter, asking how much time they wished they could spend with their family, if it's not easy enough that a non-tech person will easily get it done. Then why all write all that hype in bold letters just to get our money - and worse, our time and our hopes?

      Me, I have enjoyed this thread A LOT, and AM VERY THANK FUL TO LMC and all others who helped with both questions and answers.

      It was all I needed to read, since I already know what Wordpress is, how to install, how to pay for hosting/domain, how to configure it all, how to log to cpanel, how to install autoresponders and their web forms, where to find themes, how to chose and customize your themes, how to design a header and how to upload it, which plugins to use and how to configure them, how to edit config.php files from cpanel when the plugin requies, how to take security measures (got several wp sites attacked -because I was used to Drupal and never had this problem with it - and only aftyer that went back to install security plugins on all 10 of them, quite a time spender), which pages are required to comply with Adsense's TOS. (tons more tasks could be listed here) Plus I have enough free time to do all that.

      I wonder how people with full time jobs ever get away with even reading this threads, I've been here for hours taking notes.


      Another thing is that people who are selling their products, unlike LMC, they sometimes try to terrorize you on their sales page. They hardly encourage you to take any action besides clicking the buy button; they list all the difficulties you would face unless you bought their product - which is so many pages long and has so many hours of videos, that you can hardly find any free time to put into working on your sites after you buy them.

      Besides, they will have upsells with expensive tools which, although they say on small print that "like we said, you don't need anything else besides our product, but.." - The upsell sales letter is written to make a sale, and it will tell you how hard it will be to get any work done right without that tool.

      All these steps instill fear, and our brain's response to fear is running away or freezing still. It's almost like those products were made to help you fail, so you'll need to buy another one later, instead of letting you free time and free mind/emotion to read a quality thread like this one and put it all into practice.

      Yes, everything in life requires work; but when you work hard (or not) at a regular job, you are guaranteed to get paid at the end of the month. When you follow a system like this one, there are no guarantees, even when you work hard - and how is one supposed to work HARD at two jobs at the same time? One that pays regularly and has a fixed amount of hours, and another one that constantly stress our minds with fear or tells us we have to cheat, lie, sell junk, spam, or promote online casino subscriptions - of course, all after we bought the product and read a 1hour long sales page trying to convince us that this method would be our only chance of success (all other methods were tried by the seller, with no success, remember? He will list those methods and tell you they are all dead, made him lose $xx,xxx money and x,xxx hours of family-time, discouraging you too look up more info about them elsewhere..)
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Ryan
      LMC,

      It's really nice that you've shared your business model with everyone, and continue to help out with everyone's questions.

      There is a lot of workable information here that person could apply and start seeing some results, as long as they stay focused.

      Thanks for sharing.

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  • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
    very nice post for sure.......LMC how do you compare what you do with using say Wp Robot. have you used it and how close is it to what you do by outsourcing?
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  • Profile picture of the author osamabindrinking
    @ LMC thanks for the multiple ip info, didn't know it was available!
    looks like you might have created an epic thread
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  • Profile picture of the author affiliatechick
    Awesome thread! I've been looking into doing something like this for awhile now and this has been the most indepth, forward "tutorial" I've come across!

    Whitehat is always a good thing too :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author osamabindrinking
    Sorry LMC more questions (it's your fault you started it) you said you have 5 analytic accounts with a 100 in each, does that mean you have a few hundred duds?
    Also coz of this thread and my paranoia Iv'e been buying domains instead of building sites and I found another 12 sweet domains, so thanks for that!
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    Build a lot of websites - check

    Outsource content creation - check

    Backlink websites - check

    Monetize - check

    I think I've heard about that business model before

    As usual, the devil and the profit is in the detail! What I take away from this thread is developing a system that works and the sticking to it.

    Thanks for sharing!
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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

      As usual, the devil and the profit is in the detail!
      The devil is in actually doing the work and not nitpicking over this link vs. that link, this theme vs. theme, this plugin vs. that plugin, using WordPress or another content system, using Analytics or not, etc, etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

        The devil is in actually doing the work and not nitpicking over this link vs. that link, this theme vs. theme, this plugin vs. that plugin, using WordPress or another content system, using Analytics or not, etc, etc.
        Not nitpicking at all.

        Id much rather avoid if possible investing 18 months of my time, and a fair amount of money towards building a large network of websites, only to have them penalised by missing something that could've been answered here in a few minutes.
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        • Profile picture of the author imon32red
          Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

          Not nitpicking at all.

          Id much rather avoid if possible investing 18 months of my time, and a fair amount of money towards building a large network of websites, only to have them penalised by missing something that could've been answered here in a few minutes.
          I hear ya. Just had my adwords account suspended about 2 weeks ago. I started using adwords to promote Clickbank back in June. Anyways, I was clearing more than 1K profit a week. Google decided that a website that I promoted back in June didn't meet there quality standards. So two weeks ago they up and decided to disable my account. I write an email to them everyday trying to work it out, but they refuse to tell me what the exact problem was, and why my account can't be reinstated.

          The good news is that I still have my other IM income streams that pay my bills. The bad news is that I lost some decent spending money. I am starting to build these type of websites myself to replace that income. I found some really good information in this thread.

          For those of you that are newbies reading this, there is plenty of really good information here. One way that you can tell is that there are some more senior Warriors participating in the discussion. These are people making plenty of money without using these strategies. If they are paying attention, it wouldn't hurt you to do the same. That includes reading the entire thread, and probably more than once. I am not trying to come across condescendingly, I just want to point out that this is an important thread.
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          • Profile picture of the author BayAreaSteve
            Originally Posted by imon32red View Post

            I hear ya. Just had my adwords account suspended about 2 weeks ago. I started using adwords to promote Clickbank back in June. Anyways, I was clearing more than 1K profit a week. Google decided that a website that I promoted back in June didn't meet there quality standards. So two weeks ago they up and decided to disable my account. I write an email to them everyday trying to work it out, but they refuse to tell me what the exact problem was, and why my account can't be reinstated.

            The good news is that I still have my other IM income streams that pay my bills. The bad news is that I lost some decent spending money. I am starting to build these type of websites myself to replace that income. I found some really good information in this thread.

            For those of you that are newbies reading this, there is plenty of really good information here. One way that you can tell is that there are some more senior Warriors participating in the discussion. These are people making plenty of money without using these strategies. If they are paying attention, it wouldn't hurt you to do the same. That includes reading the entire thread, and probably more than once. I am not trying to come across condescendingly, I just want to point out that this is an important thread.
            Was this a web site that you built ?
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            • Profile picture of the author imon32red
              Originally Posted by BayAreaSteve View Post

              Was this a web site that you built ?
              Nope. It went straight to a Clickbank sales page. I know that plenty of people will tell you that you cannot do this with adwords. If you read the agreement with adwords it is perfectly fine.
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              • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
                Originally Posted by imon32red View Post

                Nope. It went straight to a Clickbank sales page. I know that plenty of people will tell you that you cannot do this with adwords. If you read the agreement with adwords it is perfectly fine.
                But your account is closed? Baffling ...
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        • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
          Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

          Not nitpicking at all.

          Id much rather avoid if possible investing 18 months of my time, and a fair amount of money towards building a large network of websites, only to have them penalised by missing something that could've been answered here in a few minutes.
          Maybe you aren't but I've seen people around here and elsewhere nitpick over really trivial matters rather than taking action. If you wait for everything to be perfect you'll never get anything done. People sit around waiting for the perfect keywords, the perfect domain name, the perfect SEO strategy and end up doing nothing and making nothing. It's called "Analysis Paralysis"

          But, to answer your Analytics question, I've given my answer to the using Google Analytics thing several times here. I suggest that you don't use it on sites that aren't directly partnering with Google through Adsense or Adwords. It doesn't have anything to do with bans or penalties but instead regarding Google as a potential competitor with very deep pockets. You don't want to hand them your private business data to them in exchange for something you can do with most hosting accounts or do with a company with a better track record on privacy issues.
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          • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
            Originally Posted by adamcm View Post

            I'm wondering if now, late 2010, if you are still able to find EMD's with approx 900 exact searches per month.
            Dude, dont get hung up on EMD's. Having an EMD is great, but it wont be the ONLY contributing factor that will help in your rankings.


            Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

            Maybe you aren't but I've seen people around here and elsewhere nitpick over really trivial matters rather than taking action. If you wait for everything to be perfect you'll never get anything done. People sit around waiting for the perfect keywords, the perfect domain name, the perfect SEO strategy and end up doing nothing and making nothing. It's called "Analysis Paralysis"
            I see what you mean :rolleyes:


            BTW - LMC, Im still trying to figure out what "Brooklyn Style" is :p
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            • Profile picture of the author adamcm
              Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

              Dude, dont get hung up on EMD's. Having an EMD is great, but it wont be the ONLY contributing factor that will help in your rankings.
              Sorry, just read the first post of the thread and LMC had indicated "I target low to mid competition keywords, find or buy exact match keywords (as they do make a difference despite what you've been told). When i say exact match, I mean, Your keyword = www.yourkeyword.com".

              I have never had the luck of finding many which is why I asked how well people were making out. Perhaps I am not looking properly or as efficiently as others, that all i'm trying to get at...not getting hung up on it at all. I've been working on numerous websites in the mean time that don't have EMD's.

              Thanks.
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              • Profile picture of the author rizzy
                Originally Posted by adamcm View Post

                Sorry, just read the first post of the thread and LMC had indicated "I target low to mid competition keywords, find or buy exact match keywords (as they do make a difference despite what you've been told). When i say exact match, I mean, Your keyword = www.yourkeyword.com".

                I have never had the luck of finding many which is why I asked how well people were making out. Perhaps I am not looking properly or as efficiently as others, that all i'm trying to get at...not getting hung up on it at all. I've been working on numerous websites in the mean time that don't have EMD's.

                Thanks.
                EMD's are tough to find. It takes a lot of research and time, but they are still out there. It definitiley gets frustrating when domain after domain is squatted on. Just have to work through it.
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                • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
                  Originally Posted by rizzy View Post

                  EMD's are tough to find. It takes a lot of research and time, but they are still out there. It definitiley gets frustrating when domain after domain is squatted on. Just have to work through it.
                  Find out who owns the domain you want and ask them to sell it to you. Some you'll get lucky with, others you won't. No big deal.
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                  • Profile picture of the author rizzy
                    Originally Posted by yoyo View Post

                    can you explain in a bit of detail about your seo and how you are driving traffic.

                    do you mainly focus on seo and outsource it?

                    YoYo below are the answers to your questions. He already answered them in here.



                    Originally Posted by LMC View Post

                    Hey...

                    Could you tell us more about your backlinking strategy?

                    Backlinks are the #2 thing Google looks at, and is one of the most important factors to being ranked.

                    I can't tell you my backlink sources. However I will tell you this:
                    • The best backlink is a direct backlink from a website, not a profile, book mark, etc.
                    • I build as many as I need to beat my competition. I look at how many they have individually and then how many they have all together, and produce about that number to start
                    • In more competitive niches I produce more backlinks gradually after the initial flux.
                    Here is the most important thing
                    • The absolute best backlink for me has been getting into someones website's sidebar or footer. A direct (do-follow) link straight to my site with my anchor text.
                    Think why?

                    If you are on a blogs sidebar that has 200 posts, each individual single post STILL has that sidebar link on it. It's not just 1 backlink, but it is now 200.

                    ^^^^^^^^^
                    this is gold.
                    Originally Posted by LMC View Post

                    watkins,

                    There is maintenance, but I outsource it now.

                    Coupon codes do need to be adjusted, Sites do need to be updated at least once a month.

                    Mivka,

                    Market Samurai

                    Chris,

                    80% of this business model is outsourced.

                    I research the niche.
                    Decide on how to attack the market.
                    Buy domain names.
                    Choose the content type.

                    Outsource everything else.
                    Originally Posted by LMC View Post

                    corey,

                    I have a question though. Do you have any requirements for how many searches a term is getting per day?

                    I don't enter keywords that have less then 30-50 searches per day in the First Position of Google. You assume that in the first position you will receive between 45-50% naturally, obviously this is adjusted by your meta description.


                    Or do you simply find any product that you see has at least 1 search per day for and target that?

                    This would be a waste, you have to consider the following funnel:

                    Clickthrough from SERPS --> Your website conversion to advertiser --> Advertiser's conversion to sale.

                    For instance, I get 100 unique views, 28% of them click to my advertiser, so my advertiser is getting 28 unique views. They convert at 2% , so I may not see a sale with 100 uniques per day... My goal is to increase my conversion or increase my traffic to result in 100 uniques for the advertiser, thus producing 2 sales per day.


                    Im still a bit confused on how you manage to get traffic. I mean I struggle to get traffic to my clickbank products

                    All through Google.


                    How do you manage to get a sidelink backlink if you don't mind me asking?

                    This is my gold, I can't give it away sorry.

                    Also do you try to compete when each site on the first page has a lot of backlinks....

                    It depends on what type of backlinks, backlinks to the main domain, or backlinks throughout their pages.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mhoram
            Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

            Maybe you aren't but I've seen people around here and elsewhere nitpick over really trivial matters rather than taking action. If you wait for everything to be perfect you'll never get anything done. People sit around waiting for the perfect keywords, the perfect domain name, the perfect SEO strategy and end up doing nothing and making nothing. It's called "Analysis Paralysis"
            Thank you; now I know what to call my autobiography. Which I'll definitely write someday, when the time is right.
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            • Profile picture of the author manwalksintoabar
              Thanks LMC. Great info.

              I am just getting started with IM. When I look for products and check the competition in Market Samurai, it always includes big box stores with many thousands of backlinks and very high authority. They sell everything.

              You said "generally I'm looking for the green in Market Samurai, and SERP opportunity, such as low PR pages."

              Could you re-explain "SERP opportunity, such as low PR pages"?

              Does this mean the pages of the competition returned in Google's SERP's must have a low page rank? Or do you mean on the competition page of MS?

              Could you restate this? My brain hurts.

              I am looking forward to checking out your Halloween site when you release the URL. That will answer a lot of questions I have.

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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    Hi LMC I was just wondering so is each page of your site...like sales page that points to a product or do you kind of write like blog style and spread text links throughout the blog posts. Just interested in how you set up the pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    kea,

    It's a wordpress website:

    Static home page Store Front
    Blog in the Side Bar
    With Opt-in Above the Blog
    A separate page for product comparisons
    One Page for an article
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    • Profile picture of the author drew3806
      Hi LMC,

      Just wondering on opt ins, how many different lists do you have? Do you opt similar type products into 1 list, or do you have a separate list for each web site?

      Thanks for the info, this is what I have envisioned but each site I have built has created more questions than answers, and I recently sold quite a few off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pete Egeler
    LMC,

    Thanks so VERY much for this information.

    Any chance you might just slip in a link to one of your pages so we can see what the basic set up. ( I for one know ZERO about setting of anything other than the plain-Jane
    basic setup.)

    Pete
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  • LMC,

    Thanks tremendously for the info here. I believe this may have been asked already but I did not see an answer.

    Do you know of any wordpress templates that would work well with this system that are available for download or is that top secret info that you would have to kill me if you told me?
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    LMC,

    Great thread.

    What is the number you are targeting here...


    "I also will check the following in google:

    intitle:"my keyword" and inanchor:"my keyword"


    That above phrase will give you a X,XXX number, I find this to be my PURE competition, people targetting my keyword in their titles and content. People who understand Internet Marketing. The lower this is, the easier it is to rank.

    To be honest I would have to look at Google's tool and figure out the right calculation, i don't think they display PBR% so you would have to self figure out that ratio"
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  • Profile picture of the author bummed.out
    Thanks! This is one of the best things I've ever read about VRE.
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    • Profile picture of the author jdannels
      LMC...
      I want to truly say thanks for replying to everyone on here and telling us the truth in advertising online. To see all these offers of staggering amounts of money flying out the window seems too good to be true. But what you've offered is a realistic approach that shows not only that it can be done, but with patience, can be done by anyone of any age and background with some effort.

      Thanks for all of your hard work and thank you again for sharing your knowledge with us.
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      • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
        Awesome LMC!

        Thank you for sharing

        I recently got into a similar type of business model and have been stunned at how well it works, but also the huge amount of flexibility you have with this kind of model
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    • Profile picture of the author sellerscompanion
      This is a very interesting thread and a wealth of information. But, as others have pointed out, much has to do with being focused and consistent. Someone else's method may not work exactly the same way for you as there are so many other variables like quality of content, niches, etc. The key is formulate your own plan and work it CONSISTENTLY.
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  • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
    I definitely take my hat off to LMC; he has represented the TRUE spirit of a TRUE Warrior by not only sharing but taking the time to answer a multitude of questions.

    Guys and gals, you pretty much just got your hands on a expensive and priceless WSO, with a degree of mentoring served on the side. Hopefully, you will appreciate the value of this gift... it is a rare diamond indeed.

    In the words of Warhawk Matt Scott...


    Just Do It!!!

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    • Profile picture of the author creativemind3
      Thanks for this posting the "Just do it video" with the guy in the wheelchair! I saved it in my favourites for whenever I get the feeling that I should give up!! I am determined to become successful at Internet Marketing!
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    And even if you do not want to follow this exact business model, allow it to be a kind of outline for what you want to do yourself.

    To really make it in this business you have got to, you have just GOT to invest time and energy and FOCUS following a business model to get going.

    Keep going, keep going. And don't stop until you have made it.

    Just keep on pushing...
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  • Profile picture of the author ocd
    LMC,

    Thank you for providing the board with such an excellent thread. I can't help but think that your technique is like burning the candle at both ends...it causes me to think big and little at the same time. $5 a day from one site and having 200 sites.

    WOW!
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    Asesome. Thanks again LMC!
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  • Profile picture of the author jmorris18
    Wow - some AMAZING information in this post. Thanks to LMC for taking the time to share these details. Warriors like LMC make this forum one of the best online.

    Thanks,
    Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author Cash37
    This is pretty much how to do mass scale seo. No bells and whistles just work and an investment required.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wide
    LMC; Where do you buy domains with privacy for that price (below 10)?
    Godaddy includes it with a bulk order but charge like 10/yr after that.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Chernikov
      Originally Posted by Wide View Post

      LMC; Where do you buy domains with privacy for that price (below 10)?
      Godaddy includes it with a bulk order but charge like 10/yr after that.
      Namecheap.
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    ok just can someone help me with this..lmc or anyone. dont' you get links in another websites sidebar just by asking the webmaster to trade links with you? Isn't this the kind of link he is talking about. I could just send out some emails right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by kea55 View Post

      ok just can someone help me with this..lmc or anyone. dont' you get links in another websites sidebar just by asking the webmaster to trade links with you? Isn't this the kind of link he is talking about. I could just send out some emails right?
      That's one way to do it.

      Being a guest author can do it.

      Giving away templates that have your link in can do it.

      This is old stuff and still relevant.

      Couple of fellow warriors and I worked on a script that does this - we called it 'parasitic' linking and took it a few steps further.

      Don't overthink this stuff - it's just common sense and creativity.

      You don't want someone else to tell you where to go and what to do - or you'll just be one of thousands of people going to the same place to do the same thing.

      Just use your brain and look around and you'll find there are LOTS!!!!!!! of places to do this easily.
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      • Profile picture of the author FredJones
        Brilliant thread.

        LMC, I have questions and suggestions for you - but unlike the ones that people have been asking/suggesting (though did not see much of suggestions as compared to questions).

        Your strategy is good. But, are you also doing the right thing to make all of this count? Are you branding yourself?

        Without giving anything away, what you are doing is something that is at a significantly and heavily larger scale of what I do, but your scale is something that I plan to reach - have been working on it on and off for the last 1 year now. The main difference is - rightly or wrongly - I am building a brand and that is taking me more time.

        However, what is your brand? Hints for you, have you ever looked at the share of direct traffic that big boys receive?

        You have made a great start in terms of getting somewhere. Money-wise you are high up in the sky. Now take your great work to the next level. Maybe your position is the right time to start building brand rather than mine. Currently you are adding monetary value. If you can, add brand positioning value to it over the next 5-10 years. You shall receive a mindshare that is unthinkable to you today.

        Really, I mean it.
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    oh and Lmc, when you update your sites...what are you doing? Are you adding blog posts? Im asking because I find that when i stop posting content to my site it like stops getting visitors, but I've heard that for these storefront sites you shouldnt need to constantly post content. Anyone else can chime in if you like. Oh and Andyhenry...so glad you're on here...I love all your posts that preach hard work not buying some get quick fix products
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Thanks for all the comments,

    KEa I update the sites based on what people are searching to get to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
    not sure if you saw my question due to the popularity of this thread but is WP Robot part of your process at all OR its just outsourcing content and posting?
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    • Profile picture of the author WildGale
      Thanks for the encouragement, LMC. We've started doing something similar but we built quite a few sites right out of the gate. They are ranking pretty well, but none at #1 yet and so our income is pitiful. Our focus is on the ranking at this point. It's nice to know that it may all work out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    I like that you understand the psychology angle of people visiting your site. Most just put up a bunch of words that don't connect emotionally with the prospective buyer. Seems like you've mastered this part.
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  • Profile picture of the author gtree
    hey this post has helped and i will follow ur strategy...but no outsourcing i can do it by myself...
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  • Profile picture of the author sparckyz
    Given me some good ideas and things to think about, and also how to use opt-ins for when i eventually get round to them
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  • Profile picture of the author SoEasyMoney
    If you would be gracious enough to guide me, I'd certainly appreciate it. I love the research part of the entire process but am not good at or like building the actual site, etc. I have an accounting degree so I am a numbers cruncher by nature.

    What I'm curious about is how you find people to outsource to? Do you give the entire project to just one person or is it multiple people that you use? I don't care to throw the money out there but really am not sure what I even need to ask for. Do you happen to have a template of what you provide to your workers?

    Any guidance will be much appreciated. Thanks so much for sharing!
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    • Profile picture of the author tonywarrior2
      Hi LMC

      thanks for sharing this. It's great info.

      My question is: how do you manage all those domains and hosting packages? Do you use a specific software package? Or do you use Excel?

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Wide
        Originally Posted by tonywarrior2 View Post

        Hi LMC

        thanks for sharing this. It's great info.

        My question is: how do you manage all those domains and hosting packages? Do you use a specific software package? Or do you use Excel?

        Thanks
        Tony
        I use Google Docs (excel) for mine.
        Works great.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    tonywarrior,

    I designed an interface in Visual Basic, that displays all my websites, the day they were last updated, the current rank, and current sales volume.

    keep it simple.

    For outsourcing, I find them through places such as elance and hire people from craigslist. Generally I have an understand of how much money I can spend, so it's not about how much it is going to cost, as long as it fits in my budget I will consider it.

    Then I check quantity.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      I designed an interface in Visual Basic, that displays all my websites, the day they were last updated, the current rank, and current sales volume.
      Theres a saleable product right there
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      • Profile picture of the author madaffiliatemoney
        LMC your the man!!! I have always sold info products and never even thought that selling tangible goods would be profitable. Since reading your first post a few days ago, I have bought a few domains, signed up for CJ, and put together some basic websites. Within the first 2 hours that my site was up I made 2 sales. I am going to focus on getting ranked. Now I just have to keep going and try and catch up with you. haha yeah right.

        thanks again for these golden nuggetsof info
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    • Profile picture of the author mathmo
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      tonywarrior,

      I designed an interface in Visual Basic, that displays all my websites, the day they were last updated, the current rank, and current sales volume.

      keep it simple.
      Nice, just what I would do if was in your shoes (which I think I will be doing... quite inspiring read this. With one exception... I will not use VB! :rolleyes.

      Where do you see yourself going from here with your website?

      For instance if I was you an example which springs to mind, as I just replied about your little program, is I'd extend the interface to plot a bunch of graphs.

      So you can then see where your outliers are, and bring them back into the fold for the under performing outliers and identify why the over performing outliers are over performing to bring that goodness to the rest of the sites.

      Graphing time since latest updated vs revenue would be just one example of a simple 2D graph. As I imagine most of your sites are clustered around the same fuzzy blob or line, be much easier to identify the ones going wrong than simply looking at the lowest revenue sites or the ones which have gone the longest since being updated.

      Or are you already using graphs?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
    From experience, this method works like a charm, I want to ultimately build up a huge network of keyword websites like this and sell it. The crazy thing is,if the owner were to sell his network of blogs, it would EASILY be a 7 figure pay day.
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  • Profile picture of the author james911
    how long did this take you?
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  • Profile picture of the author West2010
    Very inspiring post! Thank you for the information!
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeey
    Hi LMC

    Great stuff here. I like your backlinking method right there. I was a member of yours over at eweblicense and this was the stuff that you were going to teach us. I know this would of been amazing and it was such a shame things didnt progress with the training over there.

    Your backlinking method is something i have been looking to do but for those types of backlinks the prices are big. Some webmasters with a PR5 site are asking for alot more than a few dollars . So do you have your own network of sites that have good PR that you can drop your links onto?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sam England
      LMC,

      Thanks for all the killer info that you have shared on this thread...and everyone else who have also commented.

      My business is actually in Ecommerce and I make a good living with it, but a few months ago I ventured on doing exactly what you do...so I built about 40 Wordpress sites, loaded a little bit of content, affiliate links, ebay feeds, etc...pretty basic stuff, nothing fancy...I got to where I can put one together in a few hours easily...

      It may take a few days or a few weeks but the money does come in if you do it right...wait a few weeks and tweak them, that really helps...tweak them...

      That being said, everyone.. this S$$T works, you just have to be creative and put a little work into it...NOTHING COMES FOR FREE!

      Thanks again LMC for all the cool stuff you have talked about...peace out...
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    Do you do any autobloging?
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      • Profile picture of the author dsiomtw
        Originally Posted by snapcontent View Post

        Has anyone asked him the question yet as to how long he gives a domain before deciding it's a dead duck and flipping it, or does he never sell domains?
        I can't imagine he's terribly worried about recouping his $100 invested on a dead duck ... most likely he's focusing on the 10 new sites he's creating. I'm guessing his time is worth too much to hassle with selling domains for $100 - although he might have outsourced this part too lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Wide
        Originally Posted by snapcontent View Post

        .. him the question yet as to how long he gives a domain before deciding it's a dead duck and flipping it, or does he never sell domains?
        Good question
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    mikeey,

    Thanks for the comments about the coaching, it took a deep toll in my work, and so I had to abandon it temporarily.

    To answer your question, I buy the links from special resources.

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    I don't autoblog.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsiomtw
    Aside from things like Halloween costume sites, etc. are most of your sites evergreen or do they have a relatively short life and you are constantly creating new sites just to keep up?
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  • Profile picture of the author tecHead
    ... just my 2¢, but if you do your market penetration research well enough.. there really should be no reason you have "dead ducks", at all.

    There's way too much data available to make a costly mistake, like that. Not saying its impossible, but this business model is a whole lot safer than playing the stock market and there are investors that carry a pretty solid win margin... all based on their research prior to buying any shares.

    So... research is key and LMC already stated that he does about 2hrs of research per day. I tend to do that and more, as well.

    HTH
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  • Profile picture of the author onlinebisnes
    Great sharing there LMC.
    VRE indeed a good profitable business if you are on the right track.
    I find its hard to sell tangiable products as you need to complete with many established merchant out there.
    Good to know you break the ice and get all the work in your finger tip.
    I bet you will be sharing the details as it will be your biggest secret as long as you eager to earn money online.
    But sharing success story always help increasing motivation to others.
    Thanks.
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  • Originally Posted by LMC View Post

    ]When i say exact match, I mean, Your keyword = www.yourkeyword.com

    No stop words, no the, e, blog, online, NO prefixes or suffixes.
    Have you tested using an additional word with the keyword string or just always avoided it? Not one of the above words, but maybe an additional word to sort of brand your site while getting around the fact that the keyword string was taken? Thanks again, LMC.
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    dru,

    Never experimented with that, always gone exact match, and if I can't get it, I analyze to see if it is profitable to buy it. In some cases I have bought domain names from BuyDomains at a remarkable mark up, however, I knew the name would produce consistent $50-$100 days

    It's all about research
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      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      dru,

      Never experimented with that, always gone exact match, and if I can't get it, I analyze to see if it is profitable to buy it. In some cases I have bought domain names from BuyDomains at a remarkable mark up, however, I knew the name would produce consistent $50-$100 days

      It's all about research
      If you ever need exact match domains for new projects PM me before BuyDomains LOL....Wholesale prices here
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Im actually continually surprised at how cheap domain owners will sell off exact match domains. I always do a whois, find who has it and send them an email asking if they'd be interested in selling. Doesnt always work, but usually worth a try.
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    • Profile picture of the author drmani
      @LMC -

      Thank you. Just thank you (to the n'th power, though!)

      All success
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      • Profile picture of the author drmani
        On 18th October 2010, I read this thread - and posted a short 'thank you' (msg #198)

        Originally Posted by drmani View Post

        @LMC -

        Thank you. Just thank you (to the n'th power, though!)

        All success
        Dr.Mani
        Now, I'm sharing this for inspiration - and to get you focused on
        TAKING ACTION.

        Since reading this thread and modifying some plans I had
        already put into motion, I've built...

        17 NICHE SITES

        That's over 17 days.

        You?



        All success
        Dr.Mani

        P.S. - If you're still THINKING about the idea, STOP.

        Now.

        EVERYTHING you need is in this thread. But that alone will
        NOT make you rich!
        Do something with what LMC has so
        graciously and generously shared. Start today.

        P.P.S. - Since I'm testing, very little of this is outsourced.
        Only parts of the article writing, as of now! Get BUSY

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        • Profile picture of the author hyderkhan
          Hey everyone,

          For what it's worth, I thought I would share, for inspirational purposes, as well:

          In the past 10 days, I have successfully built out 3 niche websites, following the action plan as described in this thread. Not as aggressive as one site per day or 5 sites per week, but it's a start, since I'm not outsourcing anything, and I'm doing this on a very part time basis for now. I've already begun building back links for these sites. Funny thing is, one of my sites has already become ranked #9 for the domain name / key phrase, with just the default wordpress hello world page on it, before I even had a chance to build out the site or do any back linking!

          Even if I can only deploy 5 to 10 sites per month, that is still way way way better than not taking any action at all.

          Thanks again to LMC.

          "See you at the top." - Zig Ziglar




          Originally Posted by drmani View Post

          On 18th October 2010, I read this thread - and posted a short 'thank you' (msg #198)



          Now, I'm sharing this for inspiration - and to get you focused on
          TAKING ACTION.

          Since reading this thread and modifying some plans I had
          already put into motion, I've built...

          17 NICHE SITES

          That's over 17 days.

          You?



          All success
          Dr.Mani

          P.S. - If you're still THINKING about the idea, STOP.

          Now.

          EVERYTHING you need is in this thread. But that alone will
          NOT make you rich!
          Do something with what LMC has so
          graciously and generously shared. Start today.

          P.P.S. - Since I'm testing, very little of this is outsourced.
          Only parts of the article writing, as of now! Get BUSY

          .
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Ryan
          Originally Posted by drmani View Post

          On 18th October 2010, I read this thread - and posted a short 'thank you' (msg #198)



          Now, I'm sharing this for inspiration - and to get you focused on
          TAKING ACTION.

          Since reading this thread and modifying some plans I had
          already put into motion, I've built...

          17 NICHE SITES

          That's over 17 days.

          You?



          All success
          Dr.Mani

          P.S. - If you're still THINKING about the idea, STOP.

          Now.

          EVERYTHING you need is in this thread. But that alone will
          NOT make you rich!
          Do something with what LMC has so
          graciously and generously shared. Start today.

          P.P.S. - Since I'm testing, very little of this is outsourced.
          Only parts of the article writing, as of now! Get BUSY

          .
          This is what it is all about right here. He read the info and immediately began putting it into action. This is when you begin to see results.

          Way to go Dr.Mani
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  • Hey LMC,
    I hope I'm not taking up too much of your time dragging answers out of you, but I'm in the middle of setting up my first one of these sites right now. This is how you explained the layout of your sites:

    "Static home page Store Front
    Blog in the Side Bar
    With Opt-in Above the Blog
    A separate page for product comparisons
    One Page for an article"

    Obviously, I don't need to do mine is exactly like yours and I can figure out a lot of this on my own, but I've got a few questions, if you don't mind.

    1. Do you always start out doing comparisons between products on your page or do you just focus on one if you've found a company that offers an awesome commission and awesome product?

    2. You mentioned before that you had a bit of a sales page, where you honed in on your market and targeted emotions associated with the product. But above, you mention that you have a static store as your home page. when I think of static store, I think of a section of photos showing the products with short descriptions and prices. Can you elaborate?

    3. What's are you doing with the "one page with article"? (this one is just out of curiosity, really)

    Thanks!
    James
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    James,

    Sending you a link to review one of my sites.
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    • Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      James,

      Sending you a link to review one of my sites.
      Wow, that's really above and beyond. Can't thank you enough on that one.

      Cheers,
      James
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    • Profile picture of the author AmarieP
      Hi LMC,

      Great Post! I think this is a very good business model. Would you mine if I could review one of your sites also?

      Thank you!
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    • Profile picture of the author derh
      Hate to ask as well... but do you mind if i could also get a link to one of your sites??

      Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Wide
      LMC; Will it be okay if we contact some of the people who already received the link to get it? I imagine your inboxing being pretty busy atm.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dwight Anthony
      Hi LMC, awesome info. in this thread. Anyway you could PM the same link below? Thanks


      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      James,

      Sending you a link to review one of my sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author rizzy
        Originally Posted by danthony View Post

        Hi LMC, awesome info. in this thread. Anyway you could PM the same link below? Thanks
        Please tell me this is a joke.
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    • Thanks so much for sharing your experience with us, LMC.
      I've read every single post of yours in this thread and got quite a few golden nuggets out of them, but of course, there are still a few questions that remain, primarily with the site structure/preselling pages that get you such high conversion rates.

      Your product reviews probably don't follow the generic review template of a few categories and rating stars?
      Also, I can't make sense of your 1 page that contains an "article". Either this is an optimized one just for seo purposes, but the way you build your sites, I highly doubt it.

      I guess it's rather to presell your customers and probably includes what you referred to earlier, what kind of customer this product is for etc. I'd really love to see such a piece of copywriting from you!

      But then again, such a piece probably belongs to the frontpage of the site, where you claim to have a static store page, and I have the same picture in my mind as dru-man: a section of photos showing products with short descriptions and prices. Wrong?

      However, I can perfectly understand that you don't want to send out any more links. You did a lot with this thread and I thank you for it.
      Still, I have to admit that I'm looking forward to november, where you hopefully will reveal your halloween site Really just want to see a site of yours that's so successfull.

      Again, thank you and since it's already the 31st over here, I wish you lots of costume sales for today!

      Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author lisaann
    If I can provide one piece of advice for those of you planning to duplicate this method it would be not to take LMS's success as your own. Meaning, don't go out and buy 100's or even dozens of domain names outsource content, and build backlinks hoping that in 3 months you'll be earning a lot of money.

    Instead make sure you can duplicate this before you 'mass produce'. You can't take someone else's success as your own. It's not.

    You've really got to make sure you're earning with your way of doing things.

    I just think this is a great thread and with all the people reading this, I bet there's already a few who've run off to 'mass produce' a network like this and it could turn out a real money drain for them.

    Just saying you want to make sure you're doing it right before you run off and do that.

    I know I've posted of my success with content publishing on my blog and on this forum before and people do the same thing. They start out with high volume, spend $1,000's and then I feel bad when later they're earning nothing. Hoping maybe to spare someone of that.

    It's a great thread, very motivating and full of great information, but just make sure you see some success first, then scale it up.

    Lisa
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    • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
      Originally Posted by lisaann View Post

      If I can provide one piece of advice for those of you planning to duplicate this method it would be not to take LMS's success as your own. Meaning, don't go out and buy 100's or even dozens of domain names outsource content, and build backlinks hoping that in 3 months you'll be earning a lot of money.

      Instead make sure you can duplicate this before you 'mass produce'. You can't take someone else's success as your own. It's not.

      You've really got to make sure you're earning with your way of doing things.

      I just think this is a great thread and with all the people reading this, I bet there's already a few who've run off to 'mass produce' a network like this and it could turn out a real money drain for them.

      Just saying you want to make sure you're doing it right before you run off and do that.

      I know I've posted of my success with content publishing on my blog and on this forum before and people do the same thing. They start out with high volume, spend $1,000's and then I feel bad when later they're earning nothing. Hoping maybe to spare someone of that.

      It's a great thread, very motivating and full of great information, but just make sure you see some success first, then scale it up.

      Lisa
      Good advice.

      I would test his theory on one or two sites, NEVER invest tons of money in something unless you are sure.

      From my limited experience I can see some light from this:

      #1 = He is a businessman, he can see markets, niches, demand etc. Many people were asking in the thread how ... and he mentioned ebay pulse. I'm sure he has many other ways... Again there is the business touch of what works and what don't.

      That is a major skill. Market Samurai, Adwords, etc is a tool. I can give you the best text editor on the planet but would that make you a php programmer? Could you write wordpress? If I ship you $10K of Dewalt tools from Amazon can you build a house?
      I don't know if this is something that you can learn. I think this holds back many new marketers who are failing. Do you realize how many hours you will waste if you don't build on this foundation?

      #2 = He also knows the psychology of selling, what converts, what attracts customers. Again, this is something that either you learn by trial and error or from the guru that you got your info from. Some people just have a knack for it.

      #3 = Probably the air in Brooklyn makes him think that way, I should move back there.

      I still would love to see one of his sites, even if its just a screenshot
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      • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
        Hi LMC, thanks for this

        Is there a niche, keyword, or domain, saturation point that you might anticipate? A LOT of Warriors like this one!
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  • Profile picture of the author traderjoe
    What a great post. The linking strategy and the price you pay for links is phenomenal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vecwun
    Yo L to da M to da C

    your post inspired me to join a try and set up my own thing but i have a ton of question because im brand spanking new at this...i got question about backlinking and item selling...is there a way to send you a private msg or something? thx for all the info on this page...you have open my eyes to what i thought wasnt possible
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  • Profile picture of the author tragictrip
    LMC, what a phenomenal thread! Congratulations on your success. You've inspired me to take action and start my own VRE.

    I am heeding the advice above and I'm going to test this model out with, say, 5 sites or so before I scale things up.

    I have a couple of questions and I would really appreciate if you could take some time to answer them.

    1. How do you determine what's an acceptable level of competition for a keyword before you give it the green light? I understand that its the strength of the competition on the first page, rather than the number of competing sites that is important. Since you use Market Samurai, do you look out for "all green" in the SEO Competition module? If not, whats the passing criteria for a keyword?

    2. The only article you have on each site is an article that accomodates to the emotional and psychological aspects of your customers? Do you have articles on each product page describing the pros and cons of the products?

    It would be really awesome if you could PM me a link to one of your sites so I could see for myself
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  • Profile picture of the author tybeeroad
    Im in testing mode after following this thread. I purchased a couple of keywords in separate niches and will be building out this week and then start the SEO process.

    Thanks for the challenge LMC! I'd love to see one of your site too if you're willing to share.

    Sean
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  • Profile picture of the author EvolBaby
    This must be awesome with all the posts on this thread. I'll have to go through it all and see the results from the practical applications of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    1. How do you determine what's an acceptable level of competition for a keyword before you give it the green light? I understand that its the strength of the competition on the first page, rather than the number of competing sites that is important. Since you use Market Samurai, do you look out for "all green" in the SEO

    Generally I'm looking for the green in Market Samurai, and SERP opportunity, such as low PR pages ranking with low backlink counts. I'm looking for something that I can enter into, not fight with.

    2. The only article you have on each site is an article that accomodates to the emotional and psychological aspects of your customers? Do you have articles on each product page describing the pros and cons of the products?

    No, just one article...

    I'll send you a link.
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    • Profile picture of the author hyderkhan
      LMC,

      Would you mind sending me a link as well? I've been trying to emulate a variation of your strategy for some time but the problem is that I think I am spending too much time on each site (then again I'm not doing any outsourcing whatsoever)... I'm using article marketing as my primary source of backlinking, and I think I have too many pages / articles on some of my sites.

      Granted, you are outsourcing everything, but let's say you were doing everything yourself. How much total time would you be spending from the moment you register the domain until the site becomes live and you are ready to move onto the next site?

      One site per day? One site per week? How many hours?
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    hyder,

    When I did it myself, I worked on 5 sites per day, each site for 1 hour per day.

    Total hours would be about 5-8 hours, making it possible to produce 5 sites a week.

    I'll send you a link
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    • Profile picture of the author tybeeroad
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      hyder,

      When I did it myself, I worked on 5 sites per day, each site for 1 hour per day.

      Total hours would be about 5-8 hours, making it possible to produce 5 sites a week.

      I'll send you a link
      Can I see one as well?

      Thanks again!

      Sean
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    • Profile picture of the author lneuser
      Thanks LMC. Your business plan and operation thereof is breath of fresh air as to it's solid practicality. I am tired of all the slick "guru" rushes I receive almost daily. Compared to them, I sense an authentic ethic from your approach. And as with others on this thread, I would appreciate seeing one of your sites to help this newbie with a concrete example of how you mount an affiliate site. Thanks again.
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    • Profile picture of the author BayAreaSteve
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      hyder,

      When I did it myself, I worked on 5 sites per day, each site for 1 hour per day.

      Total hours would be about 5-8 hours, making it possible to produce 5 sites a week.

      I'll send you a link
      So these are definitely not auto blogs ... lol ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author PeepMyCollar
    This sounds like a great business plan. Thanks for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author afftyc
    Hello LMC,

    I've read all of your posts on this thread and have been learning a lot. Ive tried doing something similar to this in the past without much success, mainly due to the sites having low conversion rates. I would love to get an idea of how these sites should be set up. Would you mind sending me a link as well? Would greatly appreciate it.

    Thanks,
    Jerry
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  • Profile picture of the author Vecwun
    LMC do you mind sending me a link to help me? im still in the early processes of trying to do something similar but i need some help.

    do you mind?
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  • Profile picture of the author DrewG
    Hey LMC, great thread here - could I also get a link to one of your sites? I'd really like to see how mine compare to yours.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Impressive stats, the goal ofcourse is to get to numero uno, then it's plain sailing from then on
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  • Profile picture of the author jmorris18
    Hello LMC , I have sent a reply to your PM. I look forward to your next reply.

    Thank you ,
    Jason
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  • Very good post, I also am curious about how much maintenance occurs for daily upkeep of each website. I know everybody wishes they had that many sites making that much money.
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  • Profile picture of the author tragictrip
    LMC, thank you SO MUCH for sending me that link to one of your sites. It really helped me understand the system more in-depth. All the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author aegorov
      Hi LMC,

      Just came across this thread and have spent the last 1.5 hours reading everything. May I just add my thanks to all the previous thankees? (is that a word? ;-)

      Anyway, your info came at an opportune time for me, as I had been spending a bit of time recently researching the best way to put together a niche website. I've uncovered a number of golden nuggets amongst your replies that have answered a lot of my questions, particularly the lack of having to integrate social marketing.

      I've been using Market Samurai lately to research niche markets and I'm quite happy to say that I've been on the right track. I had grand plans of creating 2500 websites and managing them with an application I've been developing and coding in my spare time. Reading your comments has given me a renewed focus on what I want acheive and put a more realistic slant on things.

      Saying all that, like some of the others before me, I would welcome the chance to take a look at one of your websites and run firebug over them to see how they tick.

      Any chance you could PM a link to one of your typical websites? I would be most grateful.

      Thanks in advance and keep those golden nuggets coming!

      BTW, do you any paid consulting on the side?
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  • Profile picture of the author GoGetta
    Great thread, some awesome info, soak it up people! ; )

    Just to chime in,

    I have been doing very similar since the beginning of this year, but not on this scale, awesome work LMC! This works, and works very well!

    The thing is, when you get traffic, there are multiple ways to monetize, some sites can kill it with Adsense, and others can generate through other means such as Amazon and Clickbank, there really are so many opportunities.

    Also, money can be made in ANY niche, you just need to research well and work hard.

    One thing I also want to point out, and something I have been doing for a while is buying up other sites with the profit I have been making. Once you know what to look for as far as researching the competition in a niche and whether certain keywords are worth targeting, it is easy to find gems on sites like Flippa.

    Many people sell starter sites, and many of these starter sites are goldmines. I have done some awesome business on Flippa, and here recently, which has meant buying "potential" sites for peanuts and earning decent profit within a few weeks.

    Obviously 200+ sites and beyond is a huge number and it takes time to build a network like this. (I am still nowhere near 200 or a number like that, but working on it). But remember to REINVEST profits for quicker growth.

    I think its very important to work on these sites yourself if you are just starting out. Build 10+, get them profiting, learn how to do it, and then buy more and outsource, while all the time building them too!

    It's easy to give up if your first few sites take a little while to take off, just remember, it works. You only have to read this thread to know that. There is a proven, working, profitable business plan and strategy within this thread. All that is needed is action!

    GoGetta
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  • Profile picture of the author Tools
    Hey LMC but how long to you take to build more backlinks than your mid-competition ?
    Do you use an automatic link builder software ? And could you expand a little more on getting do follow backlinks on sidebar of blogs ? How can we get them ? Thanks..
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    • Profile picture of the author Oosha
      Hey LMC,

      What a great thread! I've never considered selling physical products through any of my sites and your thread is an inspiration.

      Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author WealthWithin
    LMC,


    Do you look for coupons and discounts before you build a site?

    My sites are similar (but only adsense). I tried looking for any product coupons and discounts, but there aren't much for the products I promote.

    I've built a few sites, now I'm thinking of scaling it up.
    Do you mind sharing some numbers?

    With AdSense I earn approx. $1 to every 20-25 visits. Do you earn more with this model?
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  • Profile picture of the author theentry
    Great info here, thanks for sharing.
    What must be the minimum price of a product you go after?
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    • Profile picture of the author kershawm
      Dude, this information alone could have been a nice WSO. I've bought WSO's with a lot less.

      Nice work.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    hey guys,

    I appreciate all the comments and thanks, take the information and make some action.

    Unfortuanetly I'm not going to send any more links out, people are sharing them with others quite honestly that taking my privacy of my work into consideration. So, I'm not going to send any more links out at this time.

    I'll give out some of my Halloween Sites after October though.

    There are so many questions here it's hard to answer them all. However, every niche, every product, every market acts differently, and as a marketer you must adjust your marketing to that niche.

    That is the bottom line. This is not a science. It is simply giving people what they want.
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  • Thanks a ton, LMC. I think it's fair to say you've done quite enough. Great lessons here in this thread.

    cheers,
    James
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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    Good to see the spirit of the WF alive and well.

    Brownie points awarded to LMC.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmichel
    What a great thread! Congratulations to your success LMC!

    I have two questions to you:
    - Do you use a certain wordpress theme over and over again / do you have a favourite one?
    - Do you create your wordpress sites like blogs or rather like static websites?

    Thanks for sharing your experience here!
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    I create my themes as static pages.

    I use different ones on every site, some I clone onto others if they are related in the same niche and are working and converting well.
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    • Profile picture of the author blushbridge
      LMC
      Hello, I just found this thread today and I have to say what a great post. I have spent the last 2 hours reading it and did NOT find it a waste of time. I have "many" niche sites up and working in the same way that you do yours.

      The best thing I have found in your revelations is the opt in page and the information that you can send if they opt in. Great news as I thought opt in on product pages were a no-no. Also to be honest I never even look at my bounce rates, and yes I am going to start doing so now.

      I can not wait to see one of your sites after halloween.

      Thanks again for the information and your time
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      • Profile picture of the author rizzy
        Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post

        What's happening in November?
        Below is your answer...

        Originally Posted by LMC View Post

        hey guys,

        I appreciate all the comments and thanks, take the information and make some action.

        Unfortuanetly I'm not going to send any more links out, people are sharing them with others quite honestly that taking my privacy of my work into consideration. So, I'm not going to send any more links out at this time.

        I'll give out some of my Halloween Sites after October though.

        There are so many questions here it's hard to answer them all. However, every niche, every product, every market acts differently, and as a marketer you must adjust your marketing to that niche.

        That is the bottom line. This is not a science. It is simply giving people what they want.
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  • Profile picture of the author aweha
    wow.. what an excellent thread.
    Same like blushbridge i read this whole thread and find it valuable.

    Two of the things that often make me confused is actually site structure and quality content, and i get some of the answers here. Actually i'm quite surprised that you don't need to mention the pros and cons of each product (just 1 article). still a bit blurr on that part though..

    hope i can get more insight from your halloween sites.

    Thanks for sharing LMC.
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  • Profile picture of the author jmorris18
    LMC , I have sent a reply to your PM.. I appreciate your feedback when you have a free minute.

    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author ozmac
    This has been a great thread. I have learnt a lot. Thank you so much LMC for sharing so freely.
    I also am looking forward to seeing your Halloween example site and hope you find time to give a link to it in due course.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffrey Stine
    What an awesome post! Thank you very much.

    Question: Do you promote between your sites? for backlinking purposes?
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    • Profile picture of the author aegorov
      Hi LMC,

      On reading this thread again, I picked up on the question someone else raised about having all your eggs in one basket, and the potential risk that Google could one day derank your entire VRE.

      So, just a quick question...do you find that your SEO efforts with Google have a corresponding effect in your Yahoo and/or Bing search results?

      Do you even care about those search engines?

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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    That is so neat, you make money from those 200+ sites. Isn't it hard to maintain all of those sites at the same time? Can we use such kind of sites for website flipping? Congratulations on pulling this smart idea off!~


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  • Profile picture of the author Wide
    LMC; What do you do when you need to update wordpress on those 200 sites? What about plugin updates too?
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  • Profile picture of the author johnyeo90
    How you can control over 200 plus website at one go??
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  • Profile picture of the author Sayed
    Amazing post, You already answered all questions i wanted to ask...
    Thanx a million LMC
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    • Profile picture of the author abbie kye
      I have been following this post for sometime now.
      Do you mind sending me a link too please.
      Many thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author theentry
        Originally Posted by abbie kye View Post

        I have been following this post for sometime now.
        Do you mind sending me a link too please.
        Many thanks.
        He said he won't send more links out
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        • Profile picture of the author abbie kye
          Originally Posted by theentry View Post

          He said he won't send more links out
          O Ok. thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
    I think he is able to run so many websites at the same time because once a site is up and running, there is very little upkeep involved with it. I do believe he mentioned that he'll go update each site once a month or so.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Pitts
    Hey LMC,

    So your blogs arent auto blogs everything has unique content
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    I'm absolutely loving the discussion in this thread. It's a variation on the Adsense "empire" method which was so popular just a few years ago, but demand for tangible goods (especially if they're not a "fad" item) tends to be consistent and long-lived, so you've definitely set yourself up for long-term passive income that will only grow as you build more of these sites!
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  • Profile picture of the author Searchlabmedia
    Have you ever heard of the MSN loophole? I vaguely remember that program putting a script in the sidebar and footer of your websites so that it rotates and you get backlinks from a ton of pages. Do you think something like that would work for linking?
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  • Profile picture of the author sonamlama
    Originally Posted by LMC View Post


    So what are the characterisitcs of my websites:
    • They all target a specific product, usually ONE or TWO, sometimes I will expand to 20 - 50. I have a handful of websites that are 200 products deep as well. But I try to be as specific as possible.
    Thank you Steve!

    Really took away some valuable nuggets from your post!

    My question is:

    1. How much time does it take you to create each of your websites, including outsourcing the set up of the website, writing, content, and backlinks?

    2. Do you focus on promoting premium products that pay bigger commissions with less volume in sales or cheaper, more affordable products with more volume in sales?


    Thanks again for the excellent post.

    Your advice is very much appreciated and will be applied.

    Sonam
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    • Profile picture of the author jgsketch
      This post finally brought me out of lurking mode. This is the kick in the butt that I needed. Great information.

      I had a couple of questions that I don't think anyone else asked yet if you don't mind.

      1. You mentioned that you stick with .org, .net, and .com. What happens when your exact match is taken, do you go for a .info or add another word onto the domain, like "reviews".

      2. When picking your niche, you look at trending products. However, do you look for products that will have staying power? If not, do make enough off the site short term to be positive?

      Thank you for the detailed post.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    I'm not being a wise ass here, but each of the questions you have asked have been answered by LMU at least 2 times on the previous pages of this thread. Take the time to read each of his responses. He has been more than patient answering in the thread and some PM.

    I'm truly greatfull for LMC posting in this thread. I have been back through it many times and copy and pasted into a swipe file and saved to my computer. This way you can grab every golden nugget and question he has answered.

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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    1. How much time does it take you to create each of your websites, including outsourcing the set up of the website, writing, content, and backlinks?

    With proper planning I can have an entire site developed in two days.

    Then I focus on backlinking which takes a week.

    I'm in position by the second or third week

    receiving traffic by the fourth

    making bank by the fifth.

    2. Do you focus on promoting premium products that pay bigger commissions with less volume in sales or cheaper, more affordable products with more volume in sales?

    As generic as this statement may be, it is the truth:

    I focus on making money. I don't worry to much about the commission as long as their is profit each and every month and the site is sustainable I'll build it.
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    • Profile picture of the author sonamlama
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      1. How much time does it take you to create each of your websites, including outsourcing the set up of the website, writing, content, and backlinks?

      With proper planning I can have an entire site developed in two days.

      Then I focus on backlinking which takes a week.

      I'm in position by the second or third week

      receiving traffic by the fourth

      making bank by the fifth.

      2. Do you focus on promoting premium products that pay bigger commissions with less volume in sales or cheaper, more affordable products with more volume in sales?

      As generic as this statement may be, it is the truth:

      I focus on making money. I don't worry to much about the commission as long as their is profit each and every month and the site is sustainable I'll build it.
      Thanks for the advice Steve.

      You've developed your system into an EXACT freaking science that you know you'll profit from! I love it bro.

      Also, I totally agree with your perspective, "I don't worry to much about the commission as long as their is profit each and every month".

      Many people get so caught up with the amount of commission they'll make and end up not making any profit whatsoever.

      Now...i'm gonna go make some BANK! aha

      Thanks man.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
        Originally Posted by sonamlama View Post

        Thanks for the advice Steve.

        You've developed your system into an EXACT freaking science that you know you'll profit from! I love it bro.

        Also, I totally agree with your perspective, "I don't worry to much about the commission as long as their is profit each and every month".

        Many people get so caught up with the amount of commission they'll make and end up not making any profit whatsoever.

        Now...i'm gonna go make some BANK! aha

        Thanks man.
        Like you I do not worry too much about the commission amount as long as I think a campaign has legs I run with it

        John
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        • Profile picture of the author sonamlama
          Originally Posted by Mangozoom View Post

          Like you I do not worry too much about the commission amount as long as I think a campaign has legs I run with it

          John
          I agree bro. It's those who "Fail...Fast" in this business that are the most successful. Just doing it, and not striving for perfection (or in this case, not spending all your time looking for the BIGGEST commissions) is what will get you to success much faster.

          In fact, I believe U.S. General, George S. Patton said it best, "A good plan violently executed right now is far better than a perfect plan executed next week."
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          • Profile picture of the author mathmo
            Originally Posted by sonamlama View Post

            I agree bro. It's those who "Fail...Fast" in this business that are the most successful. Just doing it, and not striving for perfection (or in this case, not spending all your time looking for the BIGGEST commissions) is what will get you to success much faster.

            In fact, I believe U.S. General, George S. Patton said it best, "A good plan violently executed right now is far better than a perfect plan executed next week."
            Yes I fully agree, however I don't think this point has been stressed enough...

            The KEY important difference to remember here about "failing fast" is he can do this because the marginal cost for each new site LMC makes is VERY SMALL [about ten bucks when he was doing it himself, plus half a day of work or. The Cost is somewhat more now, but the risk is waaay smaller because he has now with time developed a proven system that works all the way down to the tiny details]

            However if you leap into outsourcing everything the cost his much higher, with a possibly unacceptably high risk as you're new to this...

            Thus balance the cost/risk by doing a few yourself and THEN outsource

            I'd probably take this statement a step further even.... and say only outsource one segment at a time, for instance the Web Design OR the copy writing. But not both. Out source one of them, double check you're still making money... tweak if needed. Repeat this a dozen times. Double check. THEN outsource another component... say the backlinking perhaps this time. And so on and so on, until you've outsourced all of it


            Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

            So you might be okay within the spamming laws and your ESP but what good is that when your host terminates your account and your website goes dark?
            I'd assume LMC [and everybody else] keeps back ups of their sites. And as his sites is quite static, and rarely updated, even with infrequent backups if his host terminated his account he could be back virtually the same as before within a day

            Originally Posted by Rachel Incoll View Post

            From experience, I would have to disagree. For one, some people are just absolute pigs (there's another word for them that I won't use here ), and will accuse you of spamming even if there is an unsubscribe link in the email. They prefer to be nasty than just do what should be the obvious.

            Secondly, some people don't seem to actually understand the definition of spam - they think if you send them more than 1 email, then you are spamming them; and there are those that don't even notice the unsubscribe link even if it's hot pink in size 6 font
            I'm a bit confused here Rach, can you help me out? I keep on clicking on your GIANT PINK TEXT but it will not unsubscribe me from your posts... !!! :confused:

            Gah, never mind. I'm going to complain angrily to the hosts of warriorforum for submitting me to your posts!!!!

            I hope they boot you Rach for SPAMing :p
            [heh, trademark violation there? :rolleyes:]
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            • Profile picture of the author paulie888
              Originally Posted by mathmo View Post

              Yes I fully agree, however I don't think this point has been stressed enough...

              The KEY important difference to remember here about "failing fast" is he can do this because the marginal cost for each new site LMC makes is VERY SMALL [about ten bucks when he was doing it himself, plus half a day of work or. The Cost is somewhat more now, but the risk is waaay smaller because he has now with time developed a proven system that works all the way down to the tiny details]

              However if you leap into outsourcing everything the cost his much higher, with a possibly unacceptably high risk as you're new to this...

              Thus balance the cost/risk by doing a few yourself and THEN outsource

              I'd probably take this statement a step further even.... and say only outsource one segment at a time, for instance the Web Design OR the copy writing. But not both. Out source one of them, double check you're still making money... tweak if needed. Repeat this a dozen times. Double check. THEN outsource another component... say the backlinking perhaps this time. And so on and so on, until you've outsourced all of it


              I'd assume LMC [and everybody else] keeps back ups of their sites. And as his sites is quite static, and rarely updated, even with infrequent backups if his host terminated his account he could be back virtually the same as before within a day

              You hit the nail on the head there about the relatively inexpensive nature of this method. If you're willing and able to work on it yourself, then all that's really needed is $10 (sometimes much less, depending on what domain specials you can pick up) to set up each additional site (I treat hosting as a fixed cost that's part of your regular/normal IM expenses).

              This is a great way for beginners especially to expand their business at their own pace until they feel comfortable with outsourcing, and wish to scale up quickly. I feel that the risk is very low here, as long as you're willing to do the work yourself.

              Though we have to be prepared for that possibility, I feel that a properly set up site will almost never run into the issue of getting terminated. It is just so far out of the realm of possibility that it really doesn't even enter my mind.

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    Ken,

    Thanks for coming in here... tell me about it lol

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    1. You mentioned that you stick with .org, .net, and .com. What happens when your exact match is taken, do you go for a .info or add another word onto the domain, like "reviews".

    only .com, .net, .org if it's not available I price out the acquisition or find another keyword.

    2. When picking your niche, you look at trending products. However, do you look for products that will have staying power? If not, do make enough off the site short term to be positive?

    Always look for products with staying power... trends are nice
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  • Profile picture of the author Astron
    Hi LMC!

    How much comission do you get on avarage per sale? Do you go for comissions like under 10 bucks as well? What is your lowest and highest comission? I know you said you don`t care about it as long as you make profit, but I`m really curious, couse I`m not a CJ user yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnCosmos
      Originally Posted by Astron View Post

      Hi LMC!

      How much comission do you get on avarage per sale? Do you go for comissions like under 10 bucks as well? What is your lowest and highest comission? I know you said you don`t care about it as long as you make profit, but I`m really curious, couse I`m not a CJ user yet.
      (I'm not LMC, but I have experience with similar methods, and while we have some differences, I have a feeling we are mostly on the same page here. I feel like answering some of these questions based on what works in MY experience).

      I feel like the question and potential answers to this are very vague and broad. The answer is: what makes money. And if you want an answer to generalize things across a large network of niche sites the answer is probably: It depends.

      There are so many factors as far as the demand and price point for certain niches. Some products might pay 50 bucks but you might only sell 1 a week. On the other hand another product that only pays $1 a sale might have such a demand and be so "wide open" that you can sell several per day. You wouldn't want to limit yourself if it makes sense and dollars.

      Also on this level ( a couple hundred niche sites or more, or even a couple dozens) and scale, each additional site you build has a very miniscule cost. Your hosting is pretty much free and your development costs are minimal. Your only required recurring expense is domain renewal. When it comes to my sites I am pretty much content if each site can pay it's own way/earn it's keep. As long as you aren't spending too much time ( my goal is that once something is setup it's pretty much a residual ATM that requires very minimal upkeep), it's amost more difficult to not make a profit than make a profit- unless you are just completely way off in your selections.

      You could decide you are going to sell airplanes and get rich off a single sale, but never make a sale. Or you could sell paperclips and sell millions of boxes. personally, I have never really gone for the "focus on a price range" thing. It really depends on each specific niche/market.

      I like CJ and other programs, and do look at their offers when I'm deciding what to build, but more often than not I find the niche/idea and then see what offers are out there when I'm deciding what to target and how to monetize.

      Generally, LMC has answered just about everything there is to answer to give a very good outline of how to do this business, which is way more than you can say for most people. Once you get down to asking very very specific questions, that's where you get into the territory of needing to think and do for yourself. I think most people who do well with this type of thing learn a lot from others and apply their knowledge but in the process they learn the most invaluable ideas on their own through doing.

      Personally, I made a sale today that paid less than $1. But I have also made over $200 for 1 sale of the same product. My biggest affiliate sale ever paid me $750 upfront plus residuals of around $100 a month for the life of the service. A more typical sale of the same product can pay as little as $0 upfront and $10 a month. There are affiliates that pay for sales and ones that pay for leads. Some pay only for shipped products and others pay for attempts. Some pay upfront and some residual, some both. There are just so many factors.

      I get my ideas from just thinking of anything/everything that can be sold online and then doing research from there. I might break it down from there in sub categories and types. It all depends.
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  • Profile picture of the author Donna Hamer
    Wow what a great post - it certainly proves that even small sites produce income and if you build enough it will earn you a nice profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    LMC, just for a refreshing change - do they still breakdance on the streets of New York dude?
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    haha, I haven't in a really long time...

    However, broke it down brooklyn style in South Beach last summer.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekk
      Thanks LMC. This is really awesome that you spent so much time answering folks questions. This is probably the best thread I've read on here with your info along with other folks like Ramone who always has great info on here. Well back to work. Looking forward to seeing your Halloween site after Halloween. Alot easier to visualize when you actaully see a sample site. Thanks again!!

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  • Profile picture of the author Wide
    LMC: How do you handle the upgrading of wordpress/plugins on all those websites?
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  • Profile picture of the author Island Girl
    Very interesting LMC. I am fairly new to IM just started this year and I am enjoying it. Spent loads of time here just reading. For the last two months, I started dreaming of building more sites so I am really encouraged and inspired by your post. I still have a lot to learn.

    Are your sites standard websites or are they blogs or a mix of both? Are they all set up on the same model?

    Do you recommend Market Samurai? I don't use any tools right now for keyword research except Google Adwords KT.

    That's all for now. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author kkrueger
    I have read through this post, and I have made a complete print out of it. There are so many golden nuggets!

    The one that sticks out in my mind is the autoresponder post. Many people asking how you would do that...and that has always been a question in my mind too. It seems overwhelming and like a daunting task. But if you think about it...it's really not that bad.

    LMC says he has many sites relating to the same niche...so all you would need is one autoresponder for one niche on each of the sites. Set up one set of autoresponder series...programmed to go out periodically, probaby targeting different holidays. If you are targeting holidays. But after reading through all the posts...my question pertains to the optin.

    @LMC - Is it okay to have a single optin? And does this type of email marketing go against the TOS of some of the merchants on CJ that say email campaigns are not allowed? I am assuming it's okay since you are not buying email lists and spamming people. But just wanted to make sure. The single vs. double optin has been a little mystery for me. GREAT idea about coupons!

    The great things about this business model that I see...is that when it's a physical/tangible product, and more generalized...then you don't run the risk of being smart priced by Google like you would with Adsense sites, or the CPA offers that seem to get pulled on a regular basis.

    Thank you so much for your Post...you have underlined so many things that are important in building an online business. The niche research, the keywords, reverse engineering, how to build the sites, how to build the backlinks...and to get to #1

    Thank you! And thanks to other posters for giving their perspective and sharing their successes too!

    Karen
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    • Profile picture of the author kkrueger
      @Wide - I used a plugin that is called One CLick plugin Updater...it's a pretty cool tool, you just login and click it, and it updates all the plugins.

      LMC says he logs into each of his sites once a month to update things. I'm sure you want to update to the latest version of Wordpress to keep things secure. He probably has this outsourced. I know I would! LOL Use your time to make more sites and ultimately make more money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Richardson
    Fantastic technique, really like your take on things and the fact that you go out of your way to answer questions from the community. MAXIMUM respect
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    Awesome post, thanks for sharing
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  • Profile picture of the author blillard
    I love part that you don't sell digital products only tangible goods.that lets us know that there is money in other places than clickbank
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  • Profile picture of the author rehema
    Originally Posted by LMC View Post

    It's been quite some time since I made a post.

    So here it goes:

    I currently have 235+ websites that are making anywheres from $4 to $50 per day, I have about 10 that do $50 a day, and the rest fluctuate.

    Some of them do a lot better during trends, for example, I built 80 websites targetting specific individual costumes for halloween, and they have been doing $10+ per day alone.

    I target low to mid competition keywords, find or buy exact match keywords (as they do make a difference despite what you've been told). When i say exact match, I mean, Your keyword = www.yourkeyword.com

    No stop words, no the, e, blog, online, NO prefixes or suffixes.

    All my websites are ranked #1 through #5 for all their target keywords. 80% of my traffic comes from the Big G, 10% of my traffic comes from Direct Traffic, meaning people who have bookmarked the sites, or people just inputting my website into the address bar. The remaining 10% comes from directories, forums, and article marketing ( I barely do any article marketing).

    So what are the characterisitcs of my websites:
    • They all target a specific product, usually ONE or TWO, sometimes I will expand to 20 - 50. I have a handful of websites that are 200 products deep as well. But I try to be as specific as possible.
    • They all target tangiable goods. I DO NOT sell digital items, because I find that I'm receiving around 25-35% conversions on my tangiable compared to my low 8% on digital products. There are less refunds, and to the consumer I seem more respectable as a merchant portal.
    • They contain 1 - 3 unique articles on them. Each article targets a different physchological factor behind buying a product. I first tell them who the customer of my product is, so in the case that I'm not identifying them, they get defensive and buy, and in the case I am identifying them, they understand they are a good customer for this product thus, they buy. I attack the social and economical factors of the product, I justify the merchants price, and tell them how it is being used in a social setting. (are celebrities wearing this coat, will this grill make for better barbeques, etc, etc)
    • They are all built in Wordpress.
    My only goal with my websites is to be #1 in Google. That is it. I give nothing about having web 2.0 feeders:

    No Twitter
    No Hubpages
    No Squidoo
    No EzineArticles

    Just Google. It is amazing on how much traffic you will receive in the first position of Google.

    Currently my Virtual Real Estate receives roughly around 23,000 uniques per day broken across all my websites.

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    How do I build it all?
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    I outsource every stupid little thing.

    All I care about is the niche, and how much money I am making.

    I outsource writing
    I outsource development
    I outsource backlinking

    I simply worry about producing sales and watching the analytics to decide when to build more content and or target more keywords.

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    VRE's as a business model is really great. It produces passive income, however there is a management side to things just like all business's. This is where people will succeed or fail.

    Understanding what your analytics are telling you.
    Understanding your top 10 competition and how to beat it.
    Understanding Opportunitties in the SERPs.

    Just like any business, there are pros and cons. Here the cons are, I pay a lot of money in registration fees, but I am profitting. I have to spend 4 hours each day looking at my analytics and current market positions. I spend about 2 hours a day researching new markets.

    Obviously I don't have to do it each and everyday, but if I'm not getting a sale I WANT TO KNOW WHY. So I study it.

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    So I don't want to make this long winded, but ask your questions and i will respond when I can.
    LMC keep up with a goog work this is one of the bets ideas that one can use if they want to start an internet business as soon as possible i will try this too and see how it goes.
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    • Profile picture of the author blogsetuplab
      Just beginning this strategy myself. Managed to get my site to #3 in Google within 5 days.

      Not sure if it will produce good returns - still honing my research skills!
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Yes it is ok to have a single opt-in. This entire double opt-in thing is a big IM myth. It is not necessary against the CAN SPAM act, and most autoresponders allow single opt-ins, by clicking on a check box.

    I only recommend Market Samurai as it provides the analytical data I need to figure out how profitable a niche is, which I use my daily search in the first position times my conversion rates time my commission value, and how quickly I can be #1, which you learn through trial and error.

    In regards to management, this takes time to master. I personally have a Visual Basic Interface programmed, it is nothing complex, in fact it is rather simple. It just manages what's been going on with my sites, when it was last updated, how many sales it produced, and it's current ranking positions.

    When I started, an excel spread sheet and a notebook is how I managed my websites.

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    The best advice I can think of is that you need to treat this as a business, not just a side income, or extra dollars for a new car.... It is a business, these are real people buying real products, treat them with respect and they will grant you the favor with buying your products through your site.

    An example of this respect towards the perspective customer could be:

    During halloween, we received lots of inquiries on if the costumes would be shipped ot international locations on time...

    We had to call our advertiser and figure this out, and we responded to the inquires. Those responses generated sales.

    If you were treating this as a hobby you wouldn't go out of your way to find these answers...
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Yes it is ok to have a single opt-in. This entire double opt-in thing is a big IM myth. It is not necessary against the CAN SPAM act, and most autoresponders allow single opt-ins, by clicking on a check box.
      It is not a big IM myth. It might not be "necessary" against the CAN-SPAM act and the ESP might allow it but it's probably against the policy of your web host and you agreed to it when you checked the "I agree" box in the TOS no one reads.

      So you might be okay within the spamming laws and your ESP but what good is that when your host terminates your account and your website goes dark?

      Had I not been running a "double opt-in" list my host would terminated my account when some dope reported my email as spam vs. hitting the "unsubscribe" link.

      Since I run double opt-in lists, I was able to email them the proof from my Aweber account and all was well.

      So at the very least check with your web hosting provider on their policy when it comes to single vs double opt-in list beforehand... because again, this is not an IM myth.

      Email I received... see high-lighted areas...

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  • Profile picture of the author www.Michael.am
    Great information, this is a great model to follow to generate some serious passive income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vitaliy K
    nice post, but you need to have a good marketing plan, because you need to pay for domains, hosting, (in the case hosting is not free) outsourcing and consider many other important things.

    I am going to start such business myself, but I need a very good business plan
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  • Profile picture of the author Jillycakes
    Hey LMC,

    Like others have said, thanks for the wealth of information.

    Edited my question, because you already answered it.
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  • Profile picture of the author tribros
    This is definitely a great thread with lot's of great inputs from fellow Warriors. I've been thinking about the same method lately but yet to start. It looks promising and worth it and the most important there's an outsourcing option. Surely I plan to enter on this one soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Alan,

    As much as I agree with you, it is not a myth, maybe those were the wrong words to use, but read the first sentence of that letter:

    * We received one or more complaints regarding apparent bulk email activity*

    I don't know which autoresponder you are using, but by giving the person the option to unsubscribe and clearly indicating so, there wouldn't be a complaint to your host.

    I know for a fact that double opt-in does bring my conversion rates down, to the point where the consumer does not get the value, so I allow single opt-ins and email them with a respective related email.

    Been doing it for years without a problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rachel Incoll
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Alan,
      I don't know which autoresponder you are using, but by giving the person the option to unsubscribe and clearly indicating so, there wouldn't be a complaint to your host.
      From experience, I would have to disagree. For one, some people are just absolute pigs (there's another word for them that I won't use here ), and will accuse you of spamming even if there is an unsubscribe link in the email. They prefer to be nasty than just do what should be the obvious.

      Secondly, some people don't seem to actually understand the definition of spam - they think if you send them more than 1 email, then you are spamming them; and there are those that don't even notice the unsubscribe link even if it's hot pink in size 6 font

      Cheers

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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Rachel Incoll View Post

        there are those that don't even notice the unsubscribe link
        Unsubscribe links on spam should never be used.

        Spammers use fake unsubscribe links to determine which mailboxes are actually reaching real human beings.

        Clicking them doesn't unsubscribe you... it puts you on the "send more spam" list.

        So if you think a message is spam, it doesn't matter whether there's an unsubscribe link.
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        • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          Clicking them doesn't unsubscribe you... it puts you on the "send more spam" list.
          "To unsubscribe, please provide the following information so that we can accurately remove you from our system: Name, Address, Credit Card Number, Social Security Number...."
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

            "To unsubscribe, please provide the following information so that we can accurately remove you from our system: Name, Address, Credit Card Number, Social Security Number...."
            "To unsubscribe, please sign up at freecreditreport.com below..."
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            • Profile picture of the author ReachOneMedia
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              "To unsubscribe, please sign up at freecreditreport.com below..."
              A little off topic but I actually saw this method yesterday... tried to unsubscribe but I had to fill 5 surveys before getting to the unsubscribe page... awfull

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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Alan,

      As much as I agree with you, it is not a myth, maybe those were the wrong words to use, but read the first sentence of that letter:

      * We received one or more complaints regarding apparent bulk email activity*

      I don't know which autoresponder you are using, but by giving the person the option to unsubscribe and clearly indicating so, there wouldn't be a complaint to your host.
      No offense, but that post right there tells me you aren't really doing what you say you're doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Alan,

      As much as I agree with you, it is not a myth, maybe those were the wrong words to use, but read the first sentence of that letter:

      * We received one or more complaints regarding apparent bulk email activity*

      I don't know which autoresponder you are using, but by giving the person the option to unsubscribe and clearly indicating so, there wouldn't be a complaint to your host.

      I know for a fact that double opt-in does bring my conversion rates down, to the point where the consumer does not get the value, so I allow single opt-ins and email them with a respective related email.

      Been doing it for years without a problem.
      Hey LMC,

      I use Aweber, which I think is the biggest ESP in the market. And in follow up emails with my host regarding that incident it was ONE complaint. That was canned-verbiage in the letter.

      A lot of folks hit the spam button vs. the unsubscribe link and we get dinged. Awerber calculates those dings and if you get a lot of them they will boot you even though they were double opt-ins.

      Web host companies are even more hardcore they mostly shoot first then ask questions second. Sometimes they don't even ask questions when it comes to spam complaints. All it took was one subscriber to almost get me booted. Totally unfair but that's how the cookie crumbles.

      You are right though about double-opt in's and conversion I just want people to be aware that single opt-in can get you in trouble with your web host so folks should check first that's all.

      Edit - tips from Aweber to minimize complaints (first one is use double opt-in, just saying)...

      http://www.aweber.com/faq/questions/...plaint+Rate%3F
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  • Profile picture of the author Keyword Prodigy
    How do you manage to reply to emails on 235 websites. I have enough trouble with just one website.
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    • Profile picture of the author carp104
      LMC,

      great post, very inspirational. You really should consider offering a coaching program or WSO on here explaining your method in more detail. If you do go this route, please let me in on it
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  • Profile picture of the author phil.wheatley
    Wow, great post. This further demonstrates that if you treat your online business like an offline business, you will get there in the end. It's a shame that normally, because somebody doesn't see thousands of dollars in their account after one month, they move onto the next strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    black hat,

    ok cool love your opinions...

    Alan,

    I'm not disagreeing with you. I received a question I answered it in the matter that I have experience.

    I use Icontact and they allow single optins and I have received complaints before but I just never have had a problem.

    I guess we agree to disagree on this one. It's really not hard for anyone to split test their own results.
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    • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      I use Icontact and they allow single optins and I have received complaints before but I just never have had a problem.
      Any particular reason for using icontact over, say, aweber or mailchimp?

      Thanks. I'm currently trying to decide on a mail provider.
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  • Profile picture of the author prodigaljoe
    I am curious about one thing. I think you mentioned you only target keywords that get 50+ visitors to your sites a day from the #1 spot. Your top 10 sites are probably pulling in well more than that if they are your top sites but only bringing in $50 from targeted traffic.

    This is all guesses based on the numbers you posted but it seems like you might be getting very low earnings per visitor to your site. Is this due to low ctr to the product page or due to you choosing products producing low epc?

    Do you consider the epc when choosing your niche keywords and sponsor combination? I would assume that is very important to make sure your profits are high and your time is better spent.

    Do you track your ctr?

    Obviously you don't need help. It is just you remind me a little of me. During 2000 to 2003 I was plugging away with a repetitious model like this but I had the knowledge to go bigger instead of wider. Once I went bigger instead of wider my income grew 10 fold. I wish I did it sooner. I don't know what else you do but you should be using what you know to tackle bigger things.
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    • Profile picture of the author jgsketch
      Do you have any organization secrets? I know you mentioned you have a program that does this. Did you write it? Does it connect live to CJ to grab details like when coupons are getting ready to expire or do you manually enter this data?

      I find that organization is a short coming of mine. Any off the shelf programs that you would recommend that you have tried?

      Thanks again for the great post.
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      • Profile picture of the author EvanL82
        LMC, Please let me know if you start teaching your methods. I really would love to do something like this for myself as well as hundreds of more people. I need to think of plan and get moving, but I've already started outsourcing and we will see how this works out for me as I am so busy with my job, by the time I get home my brain is litterly mush.
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    do you have any samples of sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author Not So New
    Great Post LMC ... Are you offering up some sort of coaching on your business model?

    Sid
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    • Profile picture of the author adamcm
      Just read this thread the whole way though, great read...thank you LMC for this post! I picked up a lot from the other posters as well.

      I've been looking into EMD for the past couple of weeks, but am not finding any that reach the search criteria used here. I have found tons with a search volume of about 10-15 searches per day. I'm curious are people still having luck finding exact mathcing domains nowadays or is it harder and harder to do with this method used by other methods like Xfactor, and clickbump.

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
        Originally Posted by adamcm View Post

        thank you LMC for this post! I picked up a lot from the other posters as well.

        I've been looking into EMD for the past couple of weeks, but am not finding any that reach the search criteria used here. I have found tons with a search volume of about 10-15 searches per day.

        Thanks!
        Adam,

        Thought I would stick my 2 cents in here again on a couple of things you commented on.

        It's possible to get very targeted traffic and folks ready to buy with the keywords that fall in the 10 -15 daily searches. Although low in searches for the scope of the thread, if the competition is low, you can still make the sales you need.

        One advantage to that is even if you don't make a lot of money during each month, you can hold on to the site for say 6 months to a year and then possibly flip it for 5 to10 times the monthly income you averaged. Adding another 4 or 500 to your bottom line on that site.

        So if you don't hit a home run on the monthly commissions you still end up getting a health ROI on the very limited time you spent creating the site.

        I'm curious are people still having luck finding exact mathcing domains nowadays or is it harder and harder to do with this method used by other methods like Xfactor, and clickbump.
        One of the ways that I have been successful with the 'exact match domain" is the use of a number or a short word that is closely related to the keyword. Eample "dutchovenezcook.com" or "newdutchoven.com" "dutchoven2reviews.com". These are just an example.
        Think about it.

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        • Profile picture of the author adamcm
          Hi Ken,

          thanks for putting your 2 cents in. My only question is doesn't that go against LMC's rules for niche selection? Unless you are saying that the derivative keywords also follow his number of searches per month criteria?

          LMC, I know you recently posted about most of the recent questions being on the first 7 pages but I don't think mine was asked before. I'm wondering if now, late 2010, if you are still able to find EMD's with approx 900 exact searches per month.

          Thanks again Ken and LMC!


          Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman View Post

          Adam,

          Thought I would stick my 2 cents in here again on a couple of things you commented on.

          It's possible to get very targeted traffic and folks ready to buy with the keywords that fall in the 10 -15 daily searches. Although low in searches for the scope of the thread, if the competition is low, you can still make the sales you need.

          One advantage to that is even if you don't make a lot of money during each month, you can hold on to the site for say 6 months to a year and then possibly flip it for 5 to10 times the monthly income you averaged. Adding another 4 or 500 to your bottom line on that site.

          So if you don't hit a home run on the monthly commissions you still end up getting a health ROI on the very limited time you spent creating the site.



          One of the ways that I have been successful with the 'exact match domain" is the use of a number or a short word that is closely related to the keyword. Eample "dutchovenezcook.com" or "newdutchoven.com" "dutchoven2reviews.com". These are just an example.
          Think about it.

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          • Profile picture of the author JohnCosmos
            Originally Posted by adamcm View Post

            Hi Ken,

            thanks for putting your 2 cents in. My only question is doesn't that go against LMC's rules for niche selection? Unless you are saying that the derivative keywords also follow his number of searches per month criteria?

            LMC, I know you recently posted about most of the recent questions being on the first 7 pages but I don't think mine was asked before. I'm wondering if now, late 2010, if you are still able to find EMD's with approx 900 exact searches per month.

            Thanks again Ken and LMC!
            LMC has his rules/criteria, which work well for him. That doesn't mean there aren't ideas outside of those guidelines that can be profitable. Depends on competition, payout, volume,etc. For example, I have targeted "high end" products that have a limited market and search volume ( think services only purchased by "decision makers" that have traditionally been sold only face to face) and done well. I have websites that only get a handful of visitors per day, if that, but they add at least lower 4 figures in new business ( in addition to recurring revenue) every year.

            As Ken stated, even the lower earners can turn a profit in a site/domain sale. Personally I will just keep a site if it earns its keep. And if a site/domain doesn't make money but is well-indexed, has age and good links, there are OTHER ways to use it to make money for your business.

            I also will say I venture outside of the conventional domain/extension guidelines and I receive value from links that many "experts" will tell you don't help.

            Even LMC's strategy with sidebar links and having those links count multiple times... there are a lot of people who will tell you those don't count or they don't count like they used to. There are people who will tell you recip links either don't count or hurt. There is a lot of information/misinformation/noise out there. My tip is: if you can, test out things, ESPECIALLY things that supposedly don't work.

            As far as exact match domains, you'd be surprised what can still be hand registered or caught on the drop. There are many industries that don't "get" domains, especially not keyword domains ( they go much more for branding). Some of these industries are even untapped by affiliate marketers and domainers because they focus too much on the obvious niches and ignore the potential on others. Online advertising and marketing is going to keep expanding.. It may not continue to work the same way. Strategies will need to adapt. But my belief is that just about anything anyone buys anywhere or is interested in finding out about will be sold online and money will be made by people who seize the traffic.

            Think of things like "The Millionaire Next Door" and how people really make money and get wealthy. A lot of their "niches" are boring, tedious, dirty, unglamorous. Sometimes you make money where others ignore the opportunity or won't put in the work. And if you really want to make money in internet marketing, my advice is to look for those opportunities. of course, if you can hit home runs maybe you don't need all these automatic base hits. But most people who really go for the one punch knockout end up bitter and out of the sport. I find it better to quietly go about your business and make sites that no one really notices but collect money, but we all have our preferences.
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  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    This is a very good method. Can you tell us how you do keyword research to find such keywords for which domains are not taken?

    Secondly, I would like to know what link building method do you use for quick rankings? Can you tell us where do you outsource your linkbuilding (is it on sites like fiverr?)
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Hey Guys,

    As stated before:

    Most of your questions are answered in the previous 7 pages, please read them.

    I'm also no longer sending out links, at least until October is over.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    Nice thread. Enjoyable read. Sure to get me totally off track.
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    People like you and others, is what makes WF one of the best forums out there. Just your willingness to help people, that's cool...
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  • Profile picture of the author Deepak Media
    I just want to know about your income sources.

    Adsense, CPA, Amazon associates?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Cummins
    Thank you for the inspiration and the great info. I am not in the Halloween niche. Could you send me a link to one of your sites? Even if it is after the first of Nov.

    Thanks,

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    • Profile picture of the author rizzy
      Originally Posted by Deepak Media View Post

      I just want to know about your income sources.

      Adsense, CPA, Amazon associates?
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Hey john,

      I mainly work with Commission Junction and Linkshare.

      The problem with Amazon is that it doesn't allow me for a unique selling proposition, as I can't give away coupons and discounts like I can do in CJ.

      I also work with inhouse advertising companies that have 50 or so affiliate programs. I can get custom coupons and banners with them.

      Amazon is good for the impulse buyer, but in my test, it was not worth it.

      I usually use it to produce income when I compare products, so I compare my products which are normally cheaper to amazon. However, I embedd my affiliate link into amazon in case I get a stubborn buyer that just wants to use a more reputable merchant. Doesn't matter to me because i still get the commission.
      There is your answer from him. This was on the first page of this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author camforbes
    Good stuff, LMC.

    I've been doing this for a few years now as well. Started when I picked up Rosalind Gardner's book and went from there. Started outsourcing site creation about 18 months ago. I have sites that have been in G's good graces now for over 3 years, still throwing off daily profits with no recurring expenses.

    Thanks for proving what I've been shouting from the mountaintops for a long time! VRE is for real and, if done right, real profitable!

    -Cam
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    • Profile picture of the author rizzy
      This post has motivated me to actually take action and start doing something instead of just constant reading and analyzing. No more analysis paralysis.

      I invite everyone that is in that same situation of never starting to join in on the November IM Beginner Challenge.

      I am going to start working on my own VRE and see what I can do.

      Here is the link to the thread:
      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...challenge.html

      Hope you join in.
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    I've been working on something similar (just getting started though) and quickly realized outsourcing is a major factor in getting the results you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spencer Haws
    Hey LMC:
    Great job here, and thanks for sharing. I have a couple of hundred micro niche websites as well, and I just thought I would add my voice that this does work. I personally monetize the majority of my sites through Adsense, but the concept is essentially the same.

    And YES there are still exact match domains left! Every single day new searches are done on Google that were not done yesterday. Think news events, new products, hot items, tv shows, and other things. There will ALWAYS be new keywords to target.

    For example, Antoine Dodson (bed intruder song), is a hot Halloween costume (and song) this year. This obviously didnt exist last year. Anyway, events happens and so do keywords!!

    Anyway, thanks for sharing...its motivational to continue to building my business!
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnCosmos
      Originally Posted by The Redfox View Post

      Every single day new searches are done on Google that were not done yesterday. Think news events, new products, hot items, tv shows, and other things. There will ALWAYS be new keywords to target.

      For example, Antoine Dodson (bed intruder song), is a hot Halloween costume (and song) this year. This obviously didnt exist last year. Anyway, events happens and so do keywords!!
      I read somewhere that something like 90% of new Google searches have never been performed before. Of course, you don't want to go and register domains for keywords that might be searched 1 time ever.

      Still, all the time there are new products and services that did not exist before. Sometimes they are in the same niche and really the same product/service but delivered in a new way.

      And if you already have a network of affiliate sites-let's say you have 200-300 sites already up, it's pretty easy to add a new site/product within and existing niche or setup an entirely new niche. You already have the systems in place.
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    Thanks for the post. Good Stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    Well, I think I read every post in this thread, and if there was an award for "Thread of the Year", I would nominate this one in a heartbeat. Excellent questions, excellent answers, not to much arguing, just great information.
    Secondly, if there was an award for "Warrior of the Year", LMC would get my nomination. First, for explaining what you do and in a nut shell, how you do it. In essence, you showed up to the World Series of Poker, and played the tournament open handed. Letting everyone get a good idea with what you do, without giving away the farm. Hopefully, as this may have been your original intention, you have helped a lot of people take that next step. Secondly, you took the time, answered, and reanswered the questions, graciously declined requests for information when you were pushed further than you said you were willing to go. I call that posture. You my friend, have it.
    So, since 99.9% of this thread has been about the online logistics, I have a question about the offline. You said you don't do anything digital product wise.
    1. So, do you warehouse any of your products, or are you an affiliate or in the middle for all the products?
    2. Do you have any staff? i.e. who does handle the customer inquiries with 235 sites? Or, are you a true one man operation?
    3. Is this all done from home, or do you have office space?

    Without reading this thread earlier, I have always had the idea of what you have. Multiple sites, earning a litltle from each, over and over again. It is a great diversification method, unless the internet closed down. I always felt the best business, would be just a $1 from my customers, and to have a million customers, that come back each month. I'd settle for several thousands at this point of my life.
    So, having said all that, when you do release a sample link to your site after Haloween, I too, would love to have a look.

    It was so refreshing to read that nothing you did was automated. Your site building was manual, you link building, research, domain building, all from time and effort. Too many people want what you have, but would like it at the push of a button. The main thing you demonstrated in this thread, was how to develop a system, and how to make it profitable. You put in the work up front, hours on each site, and it was the proven system, that appears to be providing that residual income.

    Thanks again for sharing, helping, and it sounds like you deserve all the success you are experiencing.
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  • Profile picture of the author yoyo
    can you explain in a bit of detail about your seo and how you are driving traffic.

    do you mainly focus on seo and outsource it?
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  • Profile picture of the author DXB4
    Thanks for your posts and patience LMC. You are a star :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Hey,

    So if you couldn't tell, I'm no longer going to respond to questions in this post if they have been answered in some variation. Any more deeper details I will not display publically, but please do not PM me, for that my inbox is 97% full, and we may break the WF...

    Come November I will give some more insight, but for now, take the information posted here and expand on it with your own mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author natorob
    I've just started this technique myself; but not on that scale yet. It's encouraging to see that you are getting results.

    Just started outsourcing as well; having mixed results so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gyromite
    I'm directing this question to anyone with experience since I'm fairly new.

    I have been searching for low competition niches, and I have found a few that intrigue me. However, one keyword in particular has over 20k exact global monthly searches, but less than 1k local monthly searches. BUT I can get an exact match domain for this keyword.

    Should I stay away from keywords with high global but low local monthly searches? If I have an exact domain match, I'd assume I'm still going to get a ton of traffic even if it doesn't get a lot of local searches?
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  • Profile picture of the author shabit87
    I'm glad you stated that you target keywords with low competion. SO many times I see people try to conquer this keywords that are highly targeted, like 'make money' If everyone thinks a couple of dollars a day with many websites versus hundreds of dollars a day with one website I think we'd see more newbies stick with IM.

    Great point!
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  • Profile picture of the author olapeju
    Thanks for this information, it is an eye opener. hope you will share some more useful information on how to make good money on line.
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  • Profile picture of the author colinph970
    LMC......no questions, just a simple thank you. The value of thought is WAY under-rated and your answers are an inspiration. Period.
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  • Profile picture of the author povchef
    Thank you for posting this. Its great to see that there are people out there making money with this style of marketing and who are willing to come out with an honest "what I do" post. Hopefully my efforts will pay off as well as yours
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  • Profile picture of the author SmallFry
    This is a great, informative post...thank you for taking the time to share this! Very inspiring.
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  • Profile picture of the author wingman7
    Very impressed with your system. However its great looking back but oh so hard from the bottom of the heap.

    How did you motivate yourself during the build phase?

    Did you put so much one/time on the table and go for it until it ran out.

    Or was everything you did money making so you built from profit?
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  • Profile picture of the author arttse
    LMC

    Sounds like you're getting your homepage backlinks from the same place as I am.

    I think these high page rank sites that are selling links for a few dollars are very cr@ppy and I'm pretty sure in time google will devalue their page rank. Further, they are so desperate to sell their homepage links, once they fill their homepage with other website's anchor texts, they will probably shut down their sites.

    Imo this strategy is not sustainable in the long term.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnCosmos
      Originally Posted by arttse View Post

      LMC

      Sounds like you're getting your homepage backlinks from the same place as I am.

      I think these high page rank sites that are selling links for a few dollars are very cr@ppy and I'm pretty sure in time google will devalue their page rank. Further, they are so desperate to sell their homepage links, once they fill their homepage with other website's anchor texts, they will probably shut down their sites.

      Imo this strategy is not sustainable in the long term.
      Get your links from other places, too. Any single aspect of the whole strategy could change at any time but there are ways to cushion any potential collapse.

      Just based on what LMC said, I find it difficult to assume exactly what he is doing. There are many ways to get links of the same type.
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  • Profile picture of the author Noel2010
    Thanks for giving this information. It's different from other threads.

    I hope to use some of your advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimche
    If you think you have such a good strategy, put up a website on clickbank, i'm sure alot will want to purchase your e-book.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roy Lee
    Thanks for the great information provided here! It inspires me to take more action and do what is only necessary to see success. The business model described here requires constant inspiration and motivation to get you going to create websites after websites before you can have a sizable VRE empire. Taking action and motivating yourself is key for this business model to be a success for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author sponsorlist
    So that's at least $50k in month(or much more), I doubt many can make that but looks like a nice thread, gotta spend some time with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeekingWisdom
    Stumped!!!
    Now this is the kind of long term model i would be interested in.
    For me online money making is exactly this. I am not at all in physical products.
    So let me give this a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author andymayhem
    Really great thread, we do this with some clients as well as our own sites.. However, we have seen and others are experiencing big drops with their micro sites. I know you said you wouldn't answer anymore questions but did you experience this as well??
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  • Profile picture of the author nuc63
    Thanks for wondeful information you have posted on creating a goldmine
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  • Profile picture of the author Ralph Malph
    First congratulations on your success. I think everybody would be interested in exactly what kind of tools you use that allows you to spend such little time managing all your properties so efficiently and how you can just breeze through the analytics in such a short period of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
    A few more questions for LMC, please:

    1. How do you possibly keep up with all the coupon codes changes and updates? (serious question)

    2. How many sites per IP address do you feel is "safe"?

    3. I have found that regular shared hosting (like Hostgator) is good enough for the type of sites that you (and I) create. So why do you also use a dedicated server?

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author prodigaljoe
      Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

      A few more questions for LMC, please:

      1. How do you possibly keep up with all the coupon codes changes and updates? (serious question)

      2. How many sites per IP address do you feel is "safe"?

      3. I have found that regular shared hosting (like Hostgator) is good enough for the type of sites that you (and I) create. So why do you also use a dedicated server?

      Thanks!

      You have much more control with a dedicated. Dedicated is fairly cheap and well worth it when you start bringing in some good traffic.
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      • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
        Originally Posted by prodigaljoe View Post

        You have much more control with a dedicated. Dedicated is fairly cheap and well worth it when you start bringing in some good traffic.
        Perhaps, but most of these mini-sites don't require too much control -- or resources, for that matter...
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        • Profile picture of the author prodigaljoe
          Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

          Perhaps, but most of these mini-sites don't require too much control -- or resources, for that matter...
          If you are just going to be making a few small sites then you don't need dedicated. If you are building niche sites as part of a bigger strategy then you will need dedicated.

          Let's be realistic if you are just going to be making a few niche sites then that is not a real business model. That would be a hobby just to make a few extra bucks and virtual hosting is fine for this.

          I used niche sites to send traffic to affiliate offers and also to funnel traffic to my own larger sites and products. This is a real business strategy that uses niche sites for traffic generation. I crashed many servers over my years. At the peak of my business I was spending $20k a month on hosting. Dedicated is definitely needed if you are going to build up a serious business with niche sites.
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          • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
            I dub this a milestone thread.

            Read all of it. Read it again.

            This is the kind of thread that quantifies the term generosity. It is also one of those threads that beats a dedicated e-book in educational value.

            The few parts that haven´t been spelled out explicity make good training. Take your time and think about the answers given. Filling in the blanks will help you find your own twists to a proven business model.

            I´m going to start from the beginning again with a cup of coffee just for the joy of seeing the Warrior spirit in action.
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            • Profile picture of the author aussiedazz
              I couldn't agree with mrdomains more!

              This is truly a milestone thread.

              I have been trying to "make it" online for a couple of years and still only making enough $$ to pay for the latest "shiny new program".

              This thread has helped me refocus on what I have been building for the past few weeks - blog minisites.

              Some great tips and I have read through the whole thread twice (and will again).

              My gratitude goes out to LMC AND the other SUCCESSFUL online businesspeople who have contributed.

              The Only thing that I would ask is, is there anyone who is prepared to show those of us "trying to break through" an ACTUAL profitable site.

              I know the danger is that some unscrupulous, ingrates might go and copy the site - I for one would NOT. The lessons I could learn would leave me with too much respect for my benefactor that I would stay away!

              Again - kudos to all! (sorry for the length)

              Cheers for now,
              Daryl from Downunder
              in Adelaide (South Australia)
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    • Profile picture of the author rondo
      Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post


      1. How do you possibly keep up with all the coupon codes changes and updates? (serious question)
      I'm sure that can be outsourced too, and sometimes vendors will email you their latest coupons

      Andrew
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  • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
    Sorry, I just remembered another question I had...

    I find that links to CJ and Linkshare merchants expire more often than I'd like. How do you track whether a link is still valid, or if it needs to be updated?

    Thanks again!
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  • Profile picture of the author luckyshah290
    Thanks For Posting Such a cool Story ..... I Also Have More Then 20+ Websites ... And Is making Me Some handful of Cash .... But Your Method is Way Cool ..
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  • Profile picture of the author aussiedazz
    Wow this thread is great! Thank you LMC and to ALL the contributors. I have been building VRE sites over the past few months without any apparent results ( a few bucks in adsense - nothing else).

    I have gained some great insights and some very needed encouragement. My wife is frustrated and getting somewhat derisive at my "wasting" so much time on my laptop and getting "no" result. "Spending time and $$ for zilch".

    I am a believer and needed this. Thank you again.

    Much gratitude to all,
    Daryl
    from Downunder in Adelaide (South Australia)

    PS I've got to go and build some backlinks and do some tweeking to my sites!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Daryl, just to be crystal clear...

      Originally Posted by aussiedazz View Post

      Wow this thread is great! Thank you LMC and to ALL the contributors. I have been building VRE sites over the past few months without any apparent results ( a few bucks in adsense - nothing else). I have gained some great insights and some very needed encouragement. PS I've got to go and build some backlinks and do some tweeking to my sites!!
      For THIS system, Adsense would not be the best method of monetization; you want to utilize the monetization methods suggested by LMC. Adsense is a whole other cookie.

      Also, note this CRITICAL point...

      Originally Posted by shabit87 View Post

      I'm glad you stated that you target keywords with low competion. SO many times I see people try to conquer this keywords that are highly targeted, like 'make money' If everyone thinks a couple of dollars a day with many websites versus hundreds of dollars a day with one website I think we'd see more newbies stick with IM. Great point!
      Stick with the, "Low Competition" keyword phrases and if you do that, with this system, your wife will be on board before you know it!

      To your success,

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  • Profile picture of the author Warren Tibbotts
    Awesome business model.

    Do you capture email addresses and build you list also?
    And if you were start all over again with $100, what would you do differently if anything?
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Lee
      Hi LMC,

      Just one question and I didn't see anyone asking. Given that you've got so many websites, there could be a few with topics related to each other. Do you ever link one website to another with same or different IPs given that you've got a few hosting accounts. Like do you put a visible link on the web page to bring your visitors to the next website if it is relevant and related.

      Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Hunter
      Originally Posted by Warren Tibbotts View Post

      Awesome business model.

      Do you capture email addresses and build you list also?
      And if you were start all over again with $100, what would you do differently if anything?
      Warren, please read the thread.

      Yes, email capturing is a core part of what LMC does and he's stated that in this thread. I know it's long, but there's a lot of good info in it.
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  • Profile picture of the author mozesteven
    I jump when reading this posting. The major of problem newbie doing the online business is no to outsources.

    I'll do the same as you pal.

    Regards,
    Mozes
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    • Profile picture of the author aussiedazz
      Thanks Giles,

      but yeah, not using Adsense was one of the tips I picked up!!!

      As well as, opt-ins, page structure, linking....

      Great Thread!

      "LMC for President, Prime Minister, King or whatever!!"

      Cheers,
      Daryl
      From Downunder in Adelaide (South Australia)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jrobin
    Great post thanks, Im a growing warrior and this is a great insight to the warriors way.
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  • Profile picture of the author blanco98
    LMC

    Hi. I'm a newbie just getting started in the Im biz and have been reading tons and tons of material when I came across this thread. I'm totally convinced your strategy is the way to get started. Do you think you can send me a link to one of your site so that I can get a feel for what you are doing? Thanks in advance
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  • Profile picture of the author danceswithwords
    This has been so inspiring and motivating. I still am not entirely sure where to start, but I feel good about my goals and aspirations. Thanks for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    One great thing about diversifying your websites across many niches and domains like what the OP has done is that it reduces the risk of a single catastrophic failure wiping out your entire business. Google could change its algorithms overnight and cause some of your sites to drop off into oblivion, but since your income is derived from so many sites, the impact would be minimal in comparison to having just a few big developed sites.

    Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author seosuperstar2014
    How much you have spent so far in outsourcing?
    How much return you have got so far?
    How much monthly cost for each of those websites?

    Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    LMC, thanks for sharing.
    I'm sure a lot of people have been inspired and went on to create 250+ sites themselves.

    I'd be interested to know about your monthly recurring costs as well.

    Congrats on the success!
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Al Mukmin View Post

      LMC, thanks for sharing. I'm sure a lot have been inspired and went on to create 250+ sites themselves.

      I'd be interested to know about your monthly recurring costs as well.

      Al
      Once the sites are built, his monthly recurring costs would be relatively low as domains are paid for annually, and hosting wouldn't really be that high even if he has spread his sites across several shared servers.

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author Clyde
        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

        Once the sites are built, his monthly recurring costs would be relatively low as domains are paid for annually, and hosting wouldn't really be that high even if he has spread his sites across several shared servers.

        Paul
        I'm talking about his SEO costs. Backlinks do not come free.
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    • Profile picture of the author mblount
      I am a Newbie and it is nice to see people sharing to teach and inspire others. Once again no questions Just a big Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Deric Neufeld
    How many hours a day do you work on your sites?
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    • Profile picture of the author profit2day
      LMC, excellent information! I also sent you a PM.
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  • Profile picture of the author steviestingray22
    Is there any way you would consider mentoring me? I have some websites built with Wordpress Direct. I have a new ebook that I wrote and just want to start making some money with it. I know you can't help everyone personally but if you could help me get started making some money it would change my life. I have over 100 domain names and really need to monetize some of them.
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewJohnson
      Originally Posted by steviestingray22 View Post

      Is there any way you would consider mentoring me? I have some websites built with Wordpress Direct. I have a new ebook that I wrote and just want to start making some money with it. I know you can't help everyone personally but if you could help me get started making some money it would change my life. I have over 100 domain names and really need to monetize some of them.
      There is enough information in this thread for you to take action. Don't rely on someone else to show you how to do it because it isn't going to happen.

      If you apply what you have read in those thread to those 100 domains you could be earning a decent income from them in a few months, providing you have decent domains. You may find when you start working on the domains that some of them just need dumping because they are going to take too much work to get them earning.

      LMC has given everyone here a blueprint for a business that can make 6 or even 7 figures if you bother to actually apply.

      I've read through this thread and there are so many people who are pretty much saying, "Do it for me" rather than getting off their rear ends and actually doing it.

      Want to know what a successful site looks like?

      Go search for some keywords relating to popular niches and you will find them - there are loads out there and they are easy to find if you can be bothered doing some work.

      Want to know in depth how it all works?

      Go try it and give it a go. Make mistakes and learn from those mistakes.

      I earn my money from the exact technique that LMC has outlined and I earn a good income that I know within 2 years will be making over 7 figures a year and can be ramped up to 8 figures a year.

      I didn't have someone holding my hand, showing me everything and doing it all for me. I tried, failed and tried again. Like LMC I've learned a way to get my sites ranking within 24-48 hours. My record is a site from registration to first earnings in 38 hours.

      You need to stop asking everyone to show exactly how to do it and go do it. Stop procrastinating and take action because ANYONE can make money using this method. I've shown my mother (who is in her 60's) how this works and even she can make money with it!

      Stop being frightened of failing and start taking action. People aren't going to spoon feed you or do it for you unless you are going to pay top dollar for it, and frankly, when you can create such a powerful passive income from working on this business model, why would you spend all your time and effort mentoring people instead of sunning yourself on a beach?

      Go get yourself a resellers account on somewhere like Hostgator. Go find some niches. Go register a couple of domains for those niches and apply traffic generation techniques. There are pages and pages of traffic generation resources on this site that you can test to see what works best.

      Once you've done that, adjust your strategy based upon what you have learned and repeat.

      What people forget is that the Internet is a constantly changing medium and that you have to always adjust your strategies based upon what is working and what isn't.

      If everyone who ready this thread applied what they learned and created just 1 site a week making $1 a day in a year you would have an income of almost $20,000 a year from those sites - and a PASSIVE income at that. Make 2 sites a week which is EASY and in a year you'd be earning at least $40,000 which for many people replaces their job.

      Take action and apply yourself because you can make this work and earn money from it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mhoram
        Originally Posted by AndrewJohnson View Post

        Want to know what a successful site looks like?

        Go search for some keywords relating to popular niches and you will find them - there are loads out there and they are easy to find if you can be bothered doing some work.
        That's a good point. As soon as I started researching niches, I started finding sites that were clearly created according to the product-reviews-on-Wordpress concept discussed here and in products like Dan Brock's. They aren't hard to find, if you need an example. And really, looking at a site isn't going to tell you much beyond how he lays out an article. It's not going to show how he gets backlinks, where he outsources, or how he gets his keywords, all of which are probably more important.

        LMC really has given all the info necessary in this thread, and 90% of the questions asked in the last few pages were answered earlier. Looking for more details at this point (and I know, because I tend to do this) is probably just an excuse not to get started.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemeth
    Interesting thread, really inspiring! Good work.
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  • Profile picture of the author jafris
    Thanks LMC -- you must have been glued to your screen to answer all these questions being flooded here.
    What a focused mind you have.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    How about creating 235+ great pages on a single site?
    Keep on working on it, adding more information, networking,
    getting links, capturing leads.

    After 1 year which strategy would make you more money?
    What about 3 years? 5 years?

    Those who win don't have 235+ sites, they have one
    very high quality site. That's what separates the
    winners from the losers.

    Tyrus
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    • Profile picture of the author RichardF
      Originally Posted by Tyrus Antas View Post

      How about creating 235+ great pages on a single site?
      Keep on working on it, adding more information, networking,
      getting links, capturing leads.
      Sure that's true, unless your ONE site gets penalized or loses it's rankings for some reason. Then you're out of luck.

      I think it's best to do a bit of both - smaller, focused sites for cashflow and diversity, and 1-2 big sites for long term business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Clyde
      Originally Posted by Tyrus Antas View Post

      How about creating 235+ great pages on a single site?
      Keep on working on it, adding more information, networking,
      getting links, capturing leads.

      After 1 year which strategy would make you more money?
      What about 3 years? 5 years?

      Those who win don't have 235+ sites, they have one
      very high quality site. That's what separates the
      winners from the losers.

      Tyrus
      Please don't call his 4-figure/day income a "loser".

      How much money have you made from your single site?
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      • Profile picture of the author LMC
        Astron,

        Obviously there is more then just that statement...

        Google takes link velocity, link acceleration, bad neighborhoods, etc, etc all into consideration. Have you ever tested Google to see when and how they ban sites.

        I have. I spent thousands of dollars testing this so I know what not to do.
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        • Profile picture of the author Astron
          Originally Posted by LMC View Post

          Astron,

          Obviously there is more then just that statement...

          Google takes link velocity, link acceleration, bad neighborhoods, etc, etc all into consideration. Have you ever tested Google to see when and how they ban sites.

          I have. I spent thousands of dollars testing this so I know what not to do.
          No I never made serious tests, but I have quite a few websites and all I say is from experience. And logical thinking. That`s definitely true what you say that Google takes into consideration loads of things, that`s what my point is as well, that only becouse one factor (some bad backlinks) is not enough to hurt you, most likely they will be discounted.
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    • Profile picture of the author Astron
      Originally Posted by Tyrus Antas View Post

      How about creating 235+ great pages on a single site?
      Keep on working on it, adding more information, networking,
      getting links, capturing leads.

      After 1 year which strategy would make you more money?
      What about 3 years? 5 years?

      Those who win don't have 235+ sites, they have one
      very high quality site. That's what separates the
      winners from the losers.

      Tyrus
      There is a huge difference between SEOing a website with a few hundred pages and SEOing let`s say a 10 page website. The difference is the time the money and the effort. How would you build enough backlinks to all of the 2-300 pages? How would you rank all of them for their main keywords? If you very lucky they would rank somewhere in the TOP 20-30 which is not enough for low traffic keywords. They would have some rankings becouse the website with a few hundred pages is a kind of "authority" website, maybe...(but a 1000+ pages/articles would be better) and becouse of the heavy interlinking.

      So why it`s easier, cheaper and faster to rank a smaller website?

      Let`s say your favourite link building method sounds like this: you bulild

      - 20 backlinks from your top 20 article directories
      - 20 backlinks from your top 20 high PR blogs (comments)
      - 20 backlinks from your top 20 RSS directories
      - 20 backlinks from your top 20 high PR profile web 2.0 webpages
      - 20 backlinks from your top 20 social bookmarking websites
      so that`s a min. 100 backlinks, let`s say you do this like set and forget. You can move on to your next website it`s just the matter of your outsourcing ability...

      And here is the important thing: You can apply the exact same SEO to all of your small websites, you can point backlinks from the exact same sources to every single small sites you create. And they will rank separately for their main keywords with the use of the same link building method. What is completely outsourceable for a small amount of money just like your website creation, everything is set and forget if you lazy to improve them. But it`s better to check the analytics data and build more content acccording to your visitor`s needs.

      So why you can`t rank a bigger 2-300 pages website with this kind of link building? Just becouse when you point these links to your hompage Google gonna rank your hompage, and when you repeat this to some more pages Google gonna rank them way less powerfully just becouse your website already got backlinks from these sources. Again Google is not stupit, it not gonna rank your pages with the same strenght, just becouse you freakin submitted all your 300 pages to the same 20 social bookmarking websites (anyway how natural does it looks like ) and so on. Google just going to discount these links as long as you not point backlinks from different sources to your webpages, which is a bit difficult if you have hundreds of pages...

      BUT you can use the EXACT same stupid, lazy, basic SEO to your long tail targetted mini webistes, and you gonna get the SAME good SEO benefit all the time since you are backlinking different domains/websites right?
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    • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
      Originally Posted by Tyrus Antas View Post

      How about creating 235+ great pages on a single site?
      Keep on working on it, adding more information, networking,
      getting links, capturing leads.

      After 1 year which strategy would make you more money?
      What about 3 years? 5 years?

      Those who win don't have 235+ sites, they have one
      very high quality site. That's what separates the
      winners from the losers.

      Tyrus
      First of all, you missed something important... How do you have one site with 100 topics each in the domain name? For example, RedCloverGuppies.com and BrownEnglishBoxer.com, and FavoriteDeserts.com?

      Who are you trying to attract? Who would respond to health products and pets website.... GreatColonClenseAndBestHampsterPrices.com....

      Saving money is the main reason most people worry about multiple domain names. I believe LMC points out that he gets it back. I have two domains that are considered total failures. Each one makes enough in one year to pay for its expenses for two years. If you can come off just $50 per month for about three months, I believe you will recover your income during the fourth month.

      If a website only makes $2.00 per day after the third month, It will pay for your next five domain names and one month's hosting. 5 would bring you $10/day and pay for a new domain per day.

      Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    I build upon my sites:

    they grow as the traffic grows, as I see new opportunities for entrance keywords I build new pages upon those keywords.

    but one site with 245+ pages really gives you no leverage, you could backlink and push up each individual page to the top, but let's say you connect to a bad neighborhood and one page gets penalized, it will feed through the site and hurt the entire entity.

    Go small first --> expand with expanding markets.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkR
      How about creating 235+ great pages on a single site?


      Totally agree with responses to this. Keeping all your eggs in one basket is never a good plan. I'd rather have multiple listings on Google 1st page from multiple sites, than one entry from one killer site for sure.
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    • Profile picture of the author Astron
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      but one site with 245+ pages really gives you no leverage, you could backlink and push up each individual page to the top, but let's say you connect to a bad neighborhood and one page gets penalized, it will feed through the site and hurt the entire entity.
      I think its`s just not true at all. Google is not stupid. If it would be true than I could beat my competition easily by pointing to them some "bad neighborhood" kind of links from xxx, warez etc. websites. The thing is Google just discount these kind of backlinks and that`s it. Same thing applys when you bulild soo many backlinks "too" fast, it not gonna hurt you, just becouse you can`t control these kind of things, I mean your competition could beat you simply by investing a few bucks to autosubmit a few thousand profile links, spam blog comments etc. pointing to your website, they could put your website on some warez websites very easily. You can`t get to G TOP 10 couse you suck in good SEO? no problem just link the hell out of your competiton with poor links and list them on few "bad neighborhood" sites... So no, it`s not that easy.
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      • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
        Originally Posted by Astron View Post

        I think its`s just not true at all. Google is not stupid. If it would be true than I could beat my competition easily by pointing to them some "bad neighborhood" kind of links from xxx, warez etc. websites. The thing is Google just discount these kind of backlinks and that`s it. Same thing applys when you bulild soo many backlinks "too" fast, it not gonna hurt you, just becouse you can`t control these kind of things, I mean your competition could beat you simply by investing a few bucks to autosubmit a few thousand profile links, spam blog comments etc. pointing to your website, they could put your website on some warez websites very easily. You can`t get to G TOP 10 couse you suck in good SEO? no problem just link the hell out of your competiton with poor links and list them on few "bad neighborhood" sites... So no, it`s not that easy.
        I'm not heavily into SEO....but that does make sense. If Google took these kinds of things into consideration, it would be way too easy to wipe out your competition. Or so it appears....
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    I have been following this thread from day 1 and our friend LMC keeps dropping in and giving us those really good tips on how to grow the business, he has laid out here.

    Now let me ask a question LMC does not have to answer, but every Warrior reading this thread should ask him/her self? What the heck am I waiting on? Why haven't I taken the first step to start developing this business and making money for my family and myself?

    Don't take a giant step for mankind, take a small step for you and your family. Your site doesn't have to be fancy, just get the first one going and grow from there.

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    • Profile picture of the author rizzy
      Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman View Post

      I have been following this thread from day 1 and our friend LMC keeps dropping in and giving us those really good tips on how to grow the business, he has laid out here.

      Now let me ask a question LMC does not have to answer, but every Warrior reading this thread should ask him/her self? What the heck am I waiting on? Why haven't I taken the first step to start developing this business and making money for my family and myself?

      Don't take a giant step for mankind, take a small step for you and your family. Your site doesn't have to be fancy, just get the first one going and grow from there.

      Ken Leatherman

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      That is exactly why I started the November Beginner IM Challenge thread. It is getting all the beginners out and actually taking action. This thread started it all for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman View Post

      I have been following this thread from day 1 and our friend LMC keeps dropping in and giving us those really good tips on how to grow the business, he has laid out here.

      Now let me ask a question LMC does not have to answer, but every Warrior reading this thread should ask him/her self? What the heck am I waiting on? Why haven't I taken the first step to start developing this business and making money for my family and myself?


      Ken Leatherman

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      Most likely for the same reason they never took the step long before this thread was ever created, because it's not like this thread has revealed a new, never before revealed strategy. That's not a knock on the thread, I'm just wondering where everyone has been who finds the info in it to be so innovative and new.
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  • Profile picture of the author Housestacks
    Nice post - this seems like a great system
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    Black Hat,

    Just for the heck of it I did a very quick run back through this thread and many of the folks asking the questions have 3 months or less time on the WF. I suspect many of them may well be just as new to making money on the internet. For those of us who may have been around a little while, this is "Old Hat" (no pun intended) and for those new folks it really is a new idea to them.

    I remember when I first started out in IM how the fear of doing something out of my comfort zone kept me from trying out new ideas. Then finally I grabbed the bull by the horns and took that first small step. And I really hope that more than one person here will see the opportunity to grow their own business out of this thread.

    It truly is a very simple business plan, in which you can learn as you grow and do it very inexpensive.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
    I'm already 3 domains into my mini-site domination, watch out LMC
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    To everyone who's going to do this - just remember it's about giving value... at least in the long run it is.
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    Hey thanks for the great information everyone!
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  • Profile picture of the author millionairemoney
    Hey LMC,

    What is your opinion of the new X program at CJ?

    Do you use Artiseer to make your themes?

    I have one product that consistently converts from CJ - and makes far more money than Adsense could - but I am positive my blog theme is holding me back from more conversions. My CTR is only 8%.

    Thanks and Congrats.
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    • Profile picture of the author Morbrook
      Awesome post LMC,

      Thanks for giving up all this fantastic information. Helps keep me motivated to get off my ass and do something.
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      • Profile picture of the author lordmelkor
        Hello LMC,

        It is amazing what you did with your VRE. I want to try build my small VRE as well. I read whole topic slowly and made notes of all important things. But still don't have sure how such website should look. I know that you don't want to share your example websites anymore. But maybe you could PM me one example website, as you mentioned that you can show one after end of October. It can really save my money and invest it in good way. Hope to hear from you.

        Thanks and good luck with your VRE.

        Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author Davegfx
    LMC - I've read through the thread, but apologies may have missed this if you did post it. But earlier, you had mentioned posting the Halloween site for reference after Halloween was done. Would it be possible to see this?
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    BRAVO! Thank you for this. I will bookmark this one!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    LMC,

    Tried contacting you to see if your actually doing the beta testing I gave you the link for...sorry to message you here (certainly no trying to hijack) but your inbox is full (from this thread no doubt). If so please drop me a PM or email me at rsbnerg34 at yahoo and let me know what you think. I would like to hear your thoughts since its right up your area of expertise.

    Thanks and once again....AWESOME THREAD!

    Robert
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    • Profile picture of the author BloggerHigh
      Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post


      Thanks and once again....AWESOME THREAD!

      Robert
      He's certainly given away a lot of information for free, which is something I personally approve of.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    As promised...

    Here is a Halloween Link:

    www dumb and dumber tuxedo (dot) net

    I will now answer some questions regarding site setup

    Website did over 150 sales and over $1,300 in commission, producing over $13,000 in revenue all in 12 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
    Thanks!
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    PM sent with instant question after seeing the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Responded...

    I love datafeedr and highly recommend it
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  • Profile picture of the author jkiley
    There was a post from LMC http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ded-links.html

    This post inspired me so much that I decided to work on it. Bought about 50 domains (and in the middle of buying more). Hired a resource to find good domains.

    Have already put out about 30 websites. Now hired another resource to put 2 articles per site on ezine.

    It has been only couple of days and most of the sites are on the second page of google already.

    All of the sites are for the same niche. So, I am thinking if I own 500 sites like that in that niche then I think it could mean something serious.

    I will still have to see how this all works out.

    Just wanted to report here, so if you are still thinking about doing the same thing... go ahead.

    I have already taken the action...have you?
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    • Profile picture of the author leclaims
      Good to hear you're making an effort. Hopefully it works out well for you! Please keep us posted on your progress.
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      • Profile picture of the author tonywarrior2
        well done for taking action.
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      • Profile picture of the author jkiley
        Originally Posted by leclaims View Post

        Good to hear you're making an effort. Hopefully it works out well for you! Please keep us posted on your progress.
        Yes. I have been using the search engine that I created, and am at a point wheren I can create a new site in about an hour.

        The hardest thing is to find good domains. I am trying to do the same thing as he mentioned keyword should fit for the domain (no dashes, nothing).
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom L
      Didn't read that thread, but good luck to you! Sounds like something Xfactor would have started...
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    • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
      I've decided to give this ago as well after LMC's amazing story. Has truly inspired me!
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    • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
      The only thing that sucks is that the more sites you have attached to your adense account, the less google pays you per click.... better to try to do it with CPA (if they let you put ads on 200 sites)...

      Im scratching my head on this one.
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt.Lake
        Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

        The only thing that sucks is that the more sites you have attached to your adense account, the less google pays you per click.... better to try to do it with CPA (if they let you put ads on 200 sites)...

        Im scratching my head on this one.
        LMC doesn't monetize his sites with adsense. Plus I don't think that statement is entirely true anyway. But I could be wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author millionairemoney
        Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

        The only thing that sucks is that the more sites you have attached to your adense account, the less google pays you per click.... better to try to do it with CPA (if they let you put ads on 200 sites)...

        Im scratching my head on this one.
        This isn't true in my experience. I have a significant amount of sites under Adsense and the only time my clicks go down is when I put new ads up. Two days later and they're back to normal.

        I just had a day where the average click payout across all my sites (of a rainbow of niches) was $0.90.
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      Very well done! very inspirational post.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgsketch
    Thank you for sharing. I like how you approached the product layout. Do you use datafeedr on all your sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    LMC,

    Have you found your specific Holiday sites are good for the following year? Seems to me that with something like the Movie theme "Dumb and Dumber" would carry through for several years. The "dumb and dumber" are almost a classic cult movie.

    Just thinking out loud here.

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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Ken,

    certain sites do make sales throughout the year due to people having their own personal events and parties, such as Toga Costumes, action heros, etc, etc.

    I have a potential option to sell my portfolio of Halloween sites for 3 times the profit that I received from them this year, and so I may sell them.

    However, to answer your question.

    You can always count on certain trends, Halloween especially. But if you chose something that was more of a fad, for example, "The Jersey Shore" a TV show with a lot of publicity, this may not receive the same power as it did this year, next year or the year after.

    Also, with trends such as Halloween, I tried to find costumes in pairs or more, as the example I showed here my orders were mainly $113, two of the costumes, not just one person buying one.

    It also gives me the power to give deals such as two costumes with XX off.
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    • Profile picture of the author millionairemoney
      LMC,

      Have you ever had Market Samurai lead you astray on your numbers?

      I bought it and searched for a few terms I rank #1 for and it has well over the amount of traffic I get per day (like 10x). I could be doing something wrong but I'm looking at the SEOT column.

      Did DataFeedr supply your blog theme?
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  • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
    LMC,

    I'm suprised you made that much because according to the Google Keyword Tool "dumb and dumber tuxedo" got 720 EXACT local monthly searches for the month of September; 2,400 searches for BROAD; and 1,600 for PHRASE.

    Hasn't shown the month of October yet but I expect the searches will be higher than this, but even so, your conversions must be really amazing.

    Quick question though, what do you look at as far as determining number of searches for a particular keyword---exact, phrase, or broad?

    I would think exact being that you would want to know EXACTLY how many searches the EXACT keyword gets on average per month.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Market Samurai is a great tool, and I couldn't be successful without it, but everything it has is available for free online. It just allows you to do everything at the masses.

    As of right now MS is pulling it's data from the Google keyword.

    What I did is create a calculation of the traffic based on my actual results.

    So I developed some sites with exact keywords, ranked #1, and calculated where my daily traffic to that exact keyword was and compared it to Market Samurai.

    The BEST calculation in my opinion is:

    1st Position in Google Phrase Match in MS (SEOT) * PBR Percentage = Actual Results

    So, if you see 100 a day in the first position of Google with a 50% pbr, essentially your talking around 50 uniques a day.

    However... this can all be adjusted by good meta descriptions and title tags which a lot of people don't put emphasis on but they are important.

    I look at the total searches as well, because really this is my absolute reach.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    brittle, please see the post above.

    Keep in mind the keyword is part of a trend,

    Google Insights for Search

    Traffic Doubles and triples in October.

    On top of that, at the time, I was ranked #1 across all my attacked keywords, which resulted in a lot higher search.

    Here is a shot of my analytics:

    The peak was a $250 day alone, and the surrounding days were around $180

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    • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
      Great work!

      The keyword you ranked for is >200K in quotes.

      Your site dispels any myth about getting a massive amount of backlinks on a new domain! The backlinks are from very random places too.

      Just curious - Did you really need all those backlinks to get ranked? Seems like an SEO service is a must. I notice that the more I backlink the more my site nudges up.
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    • Profile picture of the author ceecee12
      LMC and his info === Priceless!!

      Thanks so much for all the sharing and caring!!

      In your post of 11/4, you had a picture or a link of some sort of screenshot. However, I can't see it or make it work. Can you send it to me in a PM or ???

      Sorry I couldn't quote the message since I don't have my post count up (newbie)

      Thanks again!!

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    Great, Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
    I've read that but what about people who don't use Market Samurai (like myself) but who use FREE methods and look at Google's keyword tool to find out how many searches a keyword gets?

    So my question is, should I be looking at exact, phrase, or broad? I'm thinking exact but I wanted to know how you would do it?

    Moreover, if you can't get to #1 for a keyword, that 45-50% of the search traffic goes right out the window.

    But maybe I'm just totally missing the point.
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  • Profile picture of the author prodigaljoe
    wow... If what I am looking at is right then you do tedious work picking domains. I have no idea what that stuff is. Although you probably have more than what I see. That is some major long tail.

    Good work if those are bringing in what you say. The money made in the far off corners of the internet always amazes me.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    joe,

    this is a trend domain so, it's a bit different, but yea I do some deep research.
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    oh no. not that. I am looking deeper
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  • Profile picture of the author pizzatherapy
    Thanks so much for sharing this.

    I greatly appreciate you explaining what you are using to generate income.

    I used to do well with Linkshare, but not lately. I will have to re-look at my Linkshare promotions.

    thanks.
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    Look at that bounce rate, thats lovely.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Jim,

    The CJ coupon allows me to advertise at the price they would receive if they used the coupon, for example, it's now after halloween so we have a 35% off coupon, thus you can the costume at $30 or so.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonGroom
    LMC,

    What sites do you market for?
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    • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
      Originally Posted by DonGroom View Post

      LMC,

      What sites do you market for?
      What kind of question is that? Read the thread!
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      • Profile picture of the author DonGroom
        Originally Posted by LegitIncomes View Post

        What kind of question is that? Read the thread!
        I have read the entire thread it can get confusing at times their is a lot of information in here. And their is a lot of information for a beginner to understand. Sorry that my question wasn't sophisticated enough for you sir. I am simply trying to learn.

        From my interpretation he markets CJs stuff am I missing anything else?



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  • Profile picture of the author DonGroom
    LMC or anyone else,

    How do you know when a niche is profitable?
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  • Profile picture of the author arsenal123
    Great Post. It sounds like you need to create your own webs stores and start selling the things instead of being an affiliate. Then again, that's a lot more work but it could also be a lot more money. Good luck and great work. You've made me realize I don't need to rely on Adwords to make money online.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaarrrggghhh
    Great Job LMC and congrats on your success.

    There are many tips contained within this thread that many of us have paid good money for

    Thanks again for sharing and again, CONGRATS!
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  • Profile picture of the author kenny5
    Wow this post has gotten some serious buzz. No wonder though, there is some great info in it. Thanks for sharing and congrats on being a WF celebrity
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Eager,

    Most likely not... probably only needed 300 or so.
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    • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      As promised...

      Here is a Halloween Link:

      www dumb and dumber tuxedo (dot) net

      I will now answer some questions regarding site setup

      Website did over 150 sales and over $1,300 in commission, producing over $13,000 in revenue all in 12 days.

      Wow this does look easy and by that I don't mean that there isn't a lot of work involved, I know that there is. I mean it looks very doable and very duplicatable. Thanks LMC for sharing... Looks like I need to start researching niches!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Eager,

      Most likely not... probably only needed 300 or so.
      Another observation:
      1. The avg PR of all the sites in the top 10 is under 1.5 (1.2 I believe).

      2. The backlink counts on the competition also very low.

      Its all in the research!
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  • Profile picture of the author michael44a
    LMC, Thank you very much, you shed a lot of light on what works in the IM World!

    As I understand it, a marketer should go after a very specific niche, based on whats trending (what buyers are looking for), get an above average wordpress site up and running, and maximize your backlinks (when you place a backlink, you make sure its on all their pages). I know you do more than this, but this is what I understand so far.

    I am surprised that you do NOT use social media, it seems like everyone is pushing Social Media, especially now that Facebook as passed the 500 million mark. If your on page 1 already, just think of all the added traffic you would receive once you go social.

    I think it would be really cool for you to release a tangible product training course on Clickbank, as most courses are pushing digital products. I would think it would do very well based on your experience.

    Again, thanks for the inspiration and helpful advice!
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    • Profile picture of the author adamcm
      LMC thank you for posting your site!

      I always thought you were looking at exact number of searches, but it looks like you are looking at the phrase match:

      1st Position in Google Phrase Match in MS (SEOT) * PBR Percentage = Actual Results

      This helps an earlier question I had regarding finding exact match domains with limited amount of searches. If I expand to phrase I will see many more pop up.

      Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Michael,

    Thanks for your comments...

    I've received a lot of requests to make a product/training course.

    I do have a small training center, but it is more of a philanthropy then anything, the problem with training people is that everyone is different, some people just get it right away and can start building, some take weeks upon weeks for them to understand certain foundations that are needed in this business.

    Some don't understand that there is no perfect formula for every situation and that you have to use common sense, for example:

    You find a niche with a $3,500 product getting you 5% commission, but you only see 10 searches a day in Google.

    The competition is extremely low, but because of the search you don't purchase the investment.

    This is stupid and big mistake by many, because while you may only receive 300 uniques a month, you most likely can produce 3 sales a month, making you a consistent $500+ a month

    It is passive income, the no competition allows you to stick with minimal maintenance.

    So things adjust accordingly to what the research is, all the numbers change, everything varies.

    So bottom line, there is no real easy system, just the foundation and knowledge, and teaching foundation and knowledge does not happen in two weeks, it's a monthly process.
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    • Profile picture of the author adamcm
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Michael,

      Thanks for your comments...

      I've received a lot of requests to make a product/training course.

      I do have a small training center, but it is more of a philanthropy then anything, the problem with training people is that everyone is different, some people just get it right away and can start building, some take weeks upon weeks for them to understand certain foundations that are needed in this business.

      Some don't understand that there is no perfect formula for every situation and that you have to use common sense, for example:

      You find a niche with a $3,500 product getting you 5% commission, but you only see 10 searches a day in Google.

      The competition is extremely low, but because of the search you don't purchase the investment.

      This is stupid and big mistake by many, because while you may only receive 300 uniques a month, you most likely can produce 3 sales a month, making you a consistent $500+ a month

      It is passive income, the no competition allows you to stick with minimal maintenance.

      So things adjust accordingly to what the research is, all the numbers change, everything varies.

      So bottom line, there is no real easy system, just the foundation and knowledge, and teaching foundation and knowledge does not happen in two weeks, it's a monthly process.
      Great post. I've only been at IM for abotu a year now so I don't have a lot of experience. One thing I have observed it that some of my smaller pages are bringing in the most money for me. When the sale reaches $400 and your receive 8% it works out quite well. I do go days without sales, but every once in a while you have days where you make multiple. I just need to develop a few more, so each day has multiple sales.

      Thanks LMC!
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    If you generalize that you can receive a 1% conversion, make your network goal at least 100-200 uniques everyday, and I'm sure you can see a sale a day.

    joe, the site link I gave is on a shared server, so the sites your seeing are not mine.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Jsamson,

    Generally I have a site that could be used as an example, or i waste the $10, build the site and then show it to them.

    In certain cases I will apply and instantly send them an email with the future URL and information on how I will market.

    Now my stats really get me into what I want
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  • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
    Know what makes a post like this EXTRA special.

    Providing an example.

    I do have a rough idea of what kind of sites you're into if you're making that many but most people don't. I would never make a post like this without adding an example. Yes I know my opinion doesn't count but there are benefits to being even more detailed with your free information. Cult following etc. ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author blogsetuplab
      LMC - thanks for the ongoing great info!

      If you don't mind me asking how long do your sites take to rank in Google? and do you launch them fully loaded with content or drip-feed the content in?

      Thanks,

      Steve.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Intreprenuer,

    I did provide an example, somewhere on either the 8th or 9th page.

    blogsetup, about a week or two.

    I generally like to launch them first with an article or two and get indexed for MY CONTENT first.

    Then I setup all the affiliate links and push it to the top.

    Watch the traffic come in and grow the site based on the traffic's needs.
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    • Profile picture of the author blogsetuplab
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Intreprenuer,

      blogsetup, about a week or two.

      I generally like to launch them first with an article or two and get indexed for MY CONTENT first.

      Then I setup all the affiliate links and push it to the top.

      Watch the traffic come in and grow the site based on the traffic's needs.
      Thanks LMC
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    Good work!

    Do you mean $4 to $50 per day from each site of 235+ sites?
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    • Profile picture of the author volkansen
      Originally Posted by himanuzo View Post

      Good work!

      Do you mean $4 to $50 per day from each site of 235+ sites?
      Yes he does, and he also said 10 of them does $50 a day.

      I currently have 235+ websites that are making anywheres from $4 to $50 per day, I have about 10 that do $50 a day, and the rest fluctuate.
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      • Profile picture of the author PGdealer
        Originally Posted by volkansen View Post

        Yes he does, and he also said 10 of them does $50 a day.
        $

        $50 a day really alot but how many days he took do make 235+ website ? :/

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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by PGdealer View Post

          $

          $50 a day really alot but how many days he took do make 235+ website ? :/

          ~TK
          Well, you don't do this overnight. No one ever said that this was get-rich quick - it does result in consistent and predictable cashflow though. You work on one website at a time, which should take only several hours once you get good at it, and then move on to the next.

          Once you get the hang of this, are making some money and can systematize the website creation process, then it's a simple matter of outsourcing that system and paying someone less than $100 to set up each site. I believe that is what he does too, so at that point you're growing your income and network of websites with virtually no further effort on your part!

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          Originally Posted by PGdealer View Post

          $

          $50 a day really alot but how many days he took do make 235+ website ? :/

          ~TK
          Not as many as it's going to take those who look for every reason under the sun to not get started.
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  • Profile picture of the author J23
    Sorry if this was already covered, but I didn't see it mentioned so I thought I'd ask.

    How many hosting accounts do you use for all of these sites? Do you use SEO type hosting with all different C-Class IPs, or do you have several different shared hosting providers with everything spread out between them?

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author XToni
    There's a lot of work and money to spend in this strategie. What is your net profit ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mhoram
      Originally Posted by XToni View Post

      There's a lot of work and money to spend in this strategie. What is your net profit ?
      Well, he's got 10 that do $50/day, so that's $500. Then the other 225 do at least $4/day, for $900, and a grand total of $1400 per day. That's the minimum based on what he's told us, so it could be a lot more than that, but I'd think $1400/day would be plenty to inspire anyone. $1400 a month would thrill me.

      (I'm not subtracting anything for expenses there, but he said he spends less than $100 on each site, so that's paid off pretty quickly even on the poorer sites.)
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanjm
    Thanks for the awesome info LMC. I especially liked the tuxedo example, really well thought out strategy. I'm very new to IM, but I feel like I'm absorbing this info well, yet had a few of questions I was hoping you could help with:

    1) How do you judge what products on CJ are worth selling? I mean I check for reviews on Amazon, etc... and determine if it's a good product, but how can you estimate whether it will be a profitable product? For example: let's say your niche has something to do with 'workout routines'. Now you go to CJ to look for a product. How do you go about finding the products you think will generate the most amount of income? The logical product for 'workout routine' would be a book, but is it possible to have a site centered around a book when you only get a 5% commission? I was thinking perhaps if I recommend a bronze/silver/gold package that includes various workout equipment with the book that that would be the only way to actually be profitable. I guess it also depends how many books I can expect to sell.

    2) Are there any product categories that you just stay away from (books, for example)?

    3) You said you shy away from digital products and I liked your reasoning for this, but man it's tough to compete with a 75% commission on something versus a 5-10% commission. Your conversion % has to be an order of magnitude higher, right? I mean you stated you get approx 30% for tangible versus 8% digital, but how does that cover the spread? The only way I can see that working is if your tangible goods are very high dollar products which would beat the avg $50 digital product, but then you couldn't possibly convert 30% right?

    4) When you said you only like .com, .net, .org, does that mean you've tested others like .biz and found it harder to rank, or do you just shy away from them for consumer confidence reasons?

    Thanks again for your awesome contribution to everyone here, it's very appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    J23, I covered it a few pages back, I try to keep max 100 sites per hosting account and run different c classes.

    It really doesn't matter if you don't interlink the sites.

    Mhoram,

    This is a business unit under a larger business, for this unit my expenses are pretty fixed, as stated before $100 per site. For example, I built 80 Halloween sites like the one given here, spend $8k to get it done, produced around $1,000 in commission per site.

    Ryan,

    It's about using your resources... log into CJ, look at the 1,000's upon 1,000's of advertisers, inside each one of these advertisers is a store with 1,000's of products, in fact the entire CJ network reaches 22 million products I believe.

    Now from those 1,000's of products to one specific advertiser, do research on their products, not the product itself, meaning, say they sell Krylon Spray Paint.

    Krylon is the specific brand, but do keyword research on the specific colors, so start it at Spray Paint, then down to: Red, White, Blue, Orange, Metallic.

    Then research characteristics: Bright, durable finish, fast drying, indoor use, outdoor use.

    This is all research under the ONE product, under 1,000 products, under ONE advertiser.

    I guarantee that you can find an exact match domain name that has a decent search and low competition.

    To answer your section question I stay away from health related products, it is a personal decision not an analytical one.

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    I've answered a lot of questions on the tangible products and really don't have much more to add to it.

    I've never tested .info, .biz, etc, and hyphens
    I go for customer confidence which helps my conversions.
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    • Profile picture of the author thaismr
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Ryan,

      It's about using your resources... log into CJ, look at the 1,000's upon 1,000's of advertisers, inside each one of these advertisers is a store with 1,000's of products, in fact the entire CJ network reaches 22 million products I believe.

      Now from those 1,000's of products to one specific advertiser, do research on their products, not the product itself, meaning, say they sell Krylon Spray Paint.

      Krylon is the specific brand, but do keyword research on the specific colors, so start it at Spray Paint, then down to: Red, White, Blue, Orange, Metallic.

      Then research characteristics: Bright, durable finish, fast drying, indoor use, outdoor use.

      This is all research under the ONE product, under 1,000 products, under ONE advertiser.

      I guarantee that you can find an exact match domain name that has a decent search and low competition.

      To answer your section question I stay away from health related products, it is a personal decision not an analytical one.
      Thank you for the thread,

      If you find very low competition when analyzing allintitle results # and exact phrase result # in Google, is it a bad sign that the result pages include brand name stores and price comparison sites? Would they be too hard to beat, or should I go for it??
      :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    LMC,

    I have a question about domain names. And I've read this entire thread, so don't worry... I won't sound like a broken record.

    You gave the example of dumb and dumber tuxedo dot net.

    Are most of your domains like this? A description of a product that the shopper is already looking for? One that gets already existing search traffic?

    I remember you said your sites are based on one or two products. So I'm just curious if most of your sites are this targeted with the domain name or if they're less targeted and you're out to attract shoppers who are not really in the buying phase of a particular type of product or model of a product yet.

    Make sense? Maybe not the way I asked it lol.... Anyway, I've enjoyed this thread. Thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Jason,

    Yes most of my domains are characteristics that get searched already.

    I do also build sites around products that are going to be coming out in the future. However, for the most part, established search gives me the information needed to project my sales and revenue.
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    • Profile picture of the author No_Rest_Yet
      Hey LMC,

      To preface this question, I wanted to say thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to let people in on a pretty awesome business model, and the inns and outs of it.

      Ok, so I have everything here down, except for back linking.

      I have had a weird experience with back links in the past. I have built about 45 links for a site, but only 6 show up, to this day. is there some service or system you use for your sites?

      If you want to keep it private you could PM me, but it seems like its the last piece of the puzzle for me, and I can't seem to get it. : /

      Thanks in advance,

      Tim.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Tim,

    Backlinks are the bread behind the starving website. We all know this.

    Google is the slowest of all search engines to verify backlinks and if you are building them using forum profiles and web 2.0 properties, generally if your using them just for a backlink you will eventually lose it because either the profile gets deleted for no activity, or Google doesn't except it, either way by the time Google came to reading the link it is gone.

    I look for pernament do follow links and the only way to get one of these is by buying them, but not through a known link exchange in which Google is aware of.

    but by contacting websites with PR that are somewhat relevant and getting a link.

    I give a very good tip in this thread about where to place that link for some good juice.

    Obviously you can wait around for someone to naturally link to you, but what fun is that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Benhur
    Theres a lot of golden nugget in this thread and its free. I keep also
    a notes for those free information.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    thaismr,

    I've beaten Nexttag, Overstock, Amazon, BestBuy, Zappos, etc, etc so they are definitely beatable, in most cases it is not Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more that you are trying to beat it is: www.amazon.com/products/this-is-the-ranking-page.

    In most cases the PR and SERP ranking has to do with the root domain power, in the above case you may see this page as a PR3 with 50 backlinks, but when you look into it, the PR3 comes from the PR6 (maybe?) of the root domain, and the backlinks come from all Amazon and nothing more.

    The above situation is easily beatable.

    A better indiction could also be doing the below:

    intitle:"your keyword" and inanchor:"your keyword" this kind of tells you your direct affiliate competition.
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    • Profile picture of the author thaismr
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      thaismr,

      A better indiction could also be doing the below:

      intitle:"your keyword" and inanchor:"your keyword" this kind of tells you your direct affiliate competition.
      Thank you very, very much!

      I'm off to make trials, now, see if I got this right!...
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  • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
    LMC,

    What do you think of 'food' keywords and 'recipe' keywords? Or should I stay away from these sort of keywords?
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    I hate to sound annoying, but what do you think of "food" keywords.

    I mean, why do you question them working.

    Person is interested in learning to cook Eggs Benedict.

    I would build the following:

    A website dedicated to Eggs Benedict the how to and the accessories.

    I would give the information right out front for their recipe, but provide links in the content to items they may need but don't have.

    For something like this, I would setup an opt-in as well, something such as receive 12 mouthwatering breakfast recipes.

    Inside there I would analyze the user a bit more, maybe build a lunch and dinner recipe site using a target keyword such as Eggs Benedict.

    So you would now own:

    EggsBenedict.com
    TurkeyClubSandwich.com
    ChickenPotPie.com

    Essentially the big winning product would be a recipe book, containing all the above. I would offer a digital item and a tangible book.

    Each site has free recipes but has an opt-in to get more.

    The above technically breaks apart the people "that want more" from those just searching a recipe.

    Send them all 12 through an autoresponder, and then in the next email a day after show them your other site, turkeyClubSandwich.com

    They are now becoming familiar with what you do, and that is providing good information.

    Have the 12 lunch recipes on the lunch site, cross reference the two lists to see what users are following you.

    In the next email, point them to the dinner recipe, and so on goes.

    In the final email, promote the products.

    All while having the products available on your site as well.

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    Obviously it all would need some fine tuning, but that is an outline of what I would do.

    In the end...

    You'll have three lists and then one cross reference list of people that truly have followed you since inception.

    Look for bigger packages to this list for the bigger dollars
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    • Profile picture of the author Benhur
      [QUOTE=LMC;2845126]I hate to sound annoying, but what do you think of "food" keywords.

      I mean, why do you question them working.

      Person is interested in learning to cook Eggs Benedict.

      I would build the following:

      A website dedicated to Eggs Benedict the how to and the accessories.

      I would give the information right out front for their recipe, but provide links in the content to items they may need but don't have.

      For something like this, I would setup an opt-in as well, something such as receive 12 mouthwatering breakfast recipes.

      Inside there I would analyze the user a bit more, maybe build a lunch and dinner recipe site using a target keyword such as Eggs Benedict.

      So you would now own:

      EggsBenedict.com
      TurkeyClubSandwich.com
      ChickenPotPie.com


      Wow! this great contents. Thanks LMC
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  • Profile picture of the author bonn
    You should write a book on how to get 1000's of Warriors to read and reply to your posts ! well done -- i guess its all about helping each other.
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    Nice post here, it was really helpful!
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  • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
    Thanks LMC.

    Just wanted your opinion because in past I've been told to stay away from these type of keywords because they are basically people seeking free information and who most likely won't open their wallets.

    But it can't hurt to try to see for myself. So again thanks for the tips.
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  • Profile picture of the author sipud
    this nice information...

    thanks...
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    • Profile picture of the author DonGroom
      LMC,

      How much do you typically spend on backlinks for one site?
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      • Profile picture of the author ryanjm
        ^he didn't want to answer that. I believe it's because he is getting an amazing deal + they are using a very good system.
        Originally Posted by DonGroom View Post

        LMC,

        How much do you typically spend on backlinks for one site?
        He answered this somewhere earlier-- around $50 I believe.

        But I have a follow-up to that for LMC: Did you just spend $50 on the halloween site? Most of the prices I've seen for links on the homepage of various sites would put me above $50 for the number you got. I think it would cost like $100+...so you must have gotten a killer deal for your link packages. Do you remember if that's all you spent for the tuxedo site? Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author furqan
    Really an AWESOME thread I have ever read on internet. Keep it up and All the Best!
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  • Profile picture of the author tybeeroad
    Hey LMC - I've set up a few sites based on the great information you've provided.

    Would you be willing to critique one for me to make sure I'm on the right path?

    Sean
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    hi did the OP mention the theme he uses?
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    sean,

    sure send me the links.
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    hi this is for lmc or whoever wants to answer. so I went to ebay pulse..but most of their keywords are just two words long...meaning very competitive. what are the steps to drill down to the long tail keyword?
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    • Profile picture of the author thaismr
      Originally Posted by kea55 View Post

      hi this is for lmc or whoever wants to answer. so I went to ebay pulse..but most of their keywords are just two words long...meaning very competitive. what are the steps to drill down to the long tail keyword?
      Maybe LMC has more to share on this; but you can simply type those two-keyword phrases at Google's free keyword tool, and the tool will suggest several other related key-phrases.
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    • Profile picture of the author Benhur
      Originally Posted by kea55 View Post

      hi this is for lmc or whoever wants to answer. so I went to ebay pulse..but most of their keywords are just two words long...meaning very competitive. what are the steps to drill down to the long tail keyword?

      You can try Google wonder wheel to get some ideas on relevant
      KW.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jon Jay
        LMC,

        Been following this thread for weeks now... and I gotta add my thanks.

        Ok, here is a question I don't think has been asked.

        Why are you doing this?

        Just have to ask....
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    Hey LMC,

    What are some ways you're getting the product description keyword ideas that end up being your domain names?

    I'm curious about the dumb and dumber costume site...

    Were you just looking at what costumes you could sell and you started your research by plugging in the names of the costumes into Market Samurai?

    Or do you go some other kind of route to find these product description keywords?
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Jon Jay...

    Why Not lol, I'm way ahead of the game and really don't fear competition, and I'm tired of people reading the wrong information.
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    hi...ok this is to Lmc or anyone else....I've been up all night trying to find a long tail keyword phrase with under 30,000 searches that has some products i can sell. what gives? do I need to pay someone to find me an exact keyword I can use for my domain? Is there some recommended software out there?
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    • Profile picture of the author rizzy
      Originally Posted by Jon Jay View Post

      LMC,

      Been following this thread for weeks now... and I gotta add my thanks.

      Ok, here is a question I don't think has been asked.

      Why are you doing this?

      Just have to ask....
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Jon Jay...

      Why Not lol, I'm way ahead of the game and really don't fear competition, and I'm tired of people reading the wrong information.
      There is another thread similar to yours now with the setup of hundreds of sites. In both of them people ask why would anyone give out this info.

      Really when you think about it is all straight forward, common sense. The chances of the hundreds of people that read all this that will actually take the time and commit to it and not give up are very few.

      And then even if a lot of people start doing it there are thousands upon thousands of keywords still available to take advantage of. The chances of stepping on someones toes in this type of setup is very slim.
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      • Profile picture of the author obadiahfenix
        Originally Posted by rizzy View Post

        There is another thread similar to yours now with the setup of hundreds of sites. In both of them people ask why would anyone give out this info.

        Really when you think about it is all straight forward, common sense. The chances of the hundreds of people that read all this that will actually take the time and commit to it and not give up are very few.

        And then even if a lot of people start doing it there are thousands upon thousands of keywords still available to take advantage of. The chances of stepping on someones toes in this type of setup is very slim.
        That's wishful thinking.

        The reality is that competition is fierce, and LMC obviously (to anyone who has half a brain) has other undisclosed tricks up his sleeve that give him a competitive edge.

        SEO is very close to being a zero-sum game, and like day trading the tiniest of strategic advantages can mean the difference between taking the lion's share of SE traffic or none at all - unfortunately there isn't much in between.
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        • Profile picture of the author rizzy
          Originally Posted by obadiahfenix View Post

          That's wishful thinking.

          The reality is that competition is fierce, and LMC obviously (to anyone who has half a brain) has other undisclosed tricks up his sleeve that give him a competitive edge.

          SEO is very close to being a zero-sum game, and like day trading the tiniest of strategic advantages can mean the difference between taking the lion's share of SE traffic or none at all - unfortunately there isn't much in between.
          No way is that wishful thinking. There are a hell of a lot of terms out there that are way under optimized. If you go after those huge crazy markets like forex, viagra, lawyers and so on, sure the competition is fierce.

          No doubt he has some undisclosed tips. As he has stated that. He has not given how he does all his research and where he gets his links from.
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        • Profile picture of the author Defunct
          Originally Posted by obadiahfenix View Post

          That's wishful thinking.

          The reality is that competition is fierce, and LMC obviously (to anyone who has half a brain) has other undisclosed tricks up his sleeve that give him a competitive edge.

          SEO is very close to being a zero-sum game, and like day trading the tiniest of strategic advantages can mean the difference between taking the lion's share of SE traffic or none at all - unfortunately there isn't much in between.
          Wrong Obad, one person can only do so many niches, there are 10s of thousands of niche keywords, products, and 1000's of new ones every month have you ever set up niche sites?

          Do you actively do SEO every day?

          Tricks don't last, standard SEO tactics work and always have worked, keyword research, link building, good content, it's not complicated.
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          • Profile picture of the author thaismr
            Originally Posted by kea55 View Post

            hi...ok this is to Lmc or anyone else....I've been up all night trying to find a long tail keyword phrase with under 30,000 searches that has some products i can sell. what gives? do I need to pay someone to find me an exact keyword I can use for my domain? Is there some recommended software out there?
            Originally Posted by Defunct View Post

            Wrong Obad, one person can only do so many niches, there are 10s of thousands of niche keywords, products, and 1000's of new ones every month have you ever set up niche sites?

            Do you actively do SEO every day?

            Tricks don't last, standard SEO tactics work and always have worked, keyword research, link building, good content, it's not complicated.
            Me too I am having problems with finding keywords clearly related to simple products, that have low competition, and specially that have an exact match domain name.

            Those information, I guess, can be found if you continue to digg around this same forum and other websites. I haven't found a "true winner" yet, though, but I am trying out with 10 domains I registered with .biz - and apparently, low competition. Let's see if highly optimized site + few articles will suffice.

            Someone also mentioned that LMC's backlinks were undisclosed.
            With the information he gave us, I suspect article submission should get very, very similar results - hundreds of backlinks (from an ever increasing number of auto-blogs), mixed PR among those links, mixed keyword relevancy.
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            • Profile picture of the author Piper Anderson
              Originally Posted by thaismr View Post

              Me too I am having problems with finding keywords clearly related to simple products, that have low competition, and specially that have an exact match domain name.

              Those information, I guess, can be found if you continue to digg around this same forum and other websites. I haven't found a "true winner" yet, though, but I am trying out with 10 domains I registered with .biz - and apparently, low competition. Let's see if highly optimized site + few articles will suffice.

              Someone also mentioned that LMC's backlinks were undisclosed.
              With the information he gave us, I suspect article submission should get very, very similar results - hundreds of backlinks (from an ever increasing number of auto-blogs), mixed PR among those links, mixed keyword relevancy.
              I'm finding some winners, but it's taking a very significant amount of research to do it. The winners are out there, but you've got to be willing to put in possibly hours of searching to get a handful of good domain choices back. I'm using MicroNiche Finder to help me, and it helps a LOT. My research time would be doubled without it.

              But the point is, keep looking, and you'll eventually find a good exact match keyword domain with decent searches, low competition, and a high CPC.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    To chime in,

    Combining the forces of my networks there is over 100 million products to promote.

    Plenty of room for competition. Sure most SEO is standard textbook info, however, the product is not SEO it is the website, the sales flow, the words on the website, the following up, the building relationships with advertisers gaining vanity coupons and higher commissions then your competition will ever receive.

    It is understadining leveraging, leveraging your network to create growth.

    I can go head to head with someone that is an SEO expert, he may rank over me, be in the #1 position and me in the #2, but because of my site and relationships I will still earn more.

    However, I highly doubt I would be out ranked for those "little tricks" that you say don't last have been lasting for years, they are embeded into the core of Google's algo and they won't change.
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    Great post, very inspirational.
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    LMC...do you use market samurai or something to find those exact keywords that have under 30,000 searches.? I've been looking for the last couple nights..no success
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I have tried to bag keyword domains and seldom manage to find them without adding prefixes or suffixes. How in the world do you manage to find them for everything you want to target?

    If you are targeting only physical products, I would think the name of that product is the primary keyword and that will cause you legal trouble if you register it. I must be missing something as I am a bit lost when it comes to understanding how you find the keywords. And then what the thrust of your articles are.

    I wish I understood how you are doing a little better.
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewJohnson
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      I have tried to bag keyword domains and seldom manage to find them without adding prefixes or suffixes. How in the world do you manage to find them for everything you want to target?

      If you are targeting only physical products, I would think the name of that product is the primary keyword and that will cause you legal trouble if you register it. I must be missing something as I am a bit lost when it comes to understanding how you find the keywords. And then what the thrust of your articles are.

      I wish I understood how you are doing a little better.
      There are loads of decent keyword domains - I find loads every day, more than I can possible manage to deal with at the present moment. You just have to be creative and dig around a little.

      The product name won't get you in to trouble unless it is a registered trademark. Even then you can use it and a lot of companies won't object. If they do, they send you a cease and desist letter and you go "Yes sir" and move on. By the time they send you that letter you've usually earned bak much more than your $10 domain name investment anyway. Most of these companies only notice you when you start doing better than their sites.

      Go give it a go and test and work it out if you don't know ... that's the quickest way to find out for sure and make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    There really isnt a "call to action" as you're thinking of it. The desire of the person searching for the item is all you need. If you put it in front of them they take care of the call to action by buying If its a buying keyword.

    As far as finding exact match domains is concerned you dont need to find exact matches for the actual product but matches for the products category or related searches within that category....example:

    Not long ago I created a site based on cookware (very popular category on Amazon). I went to the Google Adwords tool, selected exact match (not broad or phrase) and typed in cookware. It returns several possible keywords related to cookware. Scan down the list and check the boxes next to the ones that relate to what you want to advertise. In this case I found cookware sale was available as an exact match domain which receives a decent amount of monthly local searches (I tend to stay away from global searches with Amazon products).

    I then also wrote down other keywords that related to my category...actual product related keywords for products I wanted to target within the category of cookware sale such as:

    All Clad cookware
    Stainless Steel Cookware
    Cookware sets

    The list goes on and on...these then become the additonal keywords that I target.

    If you add up all the monthly searches for the targeted keywords as well as the main sites keyword (cookware sale) it turns into a fairly decent amount of monthly traffic.

    Now you just concentrate on SEO to get rankings.

    Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author lina75
    LMC

    Can I kiss You?
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    The objective of this post was to help others:


    1. What tool do you use to do link / competitive analysis of your competition?
    How do you know how much link you will need?


    Market Samurai

    2. When you buy link from a site, how much do you pay for links?

    I pay between $.95-$2.00 per link, one time payment

    3. Do you buy link from related keyword domain website or you buy anywhere that any one will take your site?


    The above are not relevant, relevancy costs more.


    4. What resource/ tools do you use for SEO and what part of this process do you outsource?

    SEOpressor, the tool gives directions to my workers

    All the rest are all over this thread
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    • Profile picture of the author theentry
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      4. What resource/ tools do you use for SEO and what part of this process do you outsource?

      SEOpressor, the tool gives directions to my workers
      Just checked it does some basic SEO stuff, good for newbies (your workers). Do you use any other plugin on your blogs? (All In One SEO, yoast..)
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      • Profile picture of the author WildGale
        I hadn't heard of SEOpressor. It looks interesting. Thanks LMC.
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    • Profile picture of the author Astron
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      2. When you buy link from a site, how much do you pay for links?

      I pay between $.95-$2.00 per link, one time payment
      Who would sell a permanent site-wide link for that kind of money? Also how do you know that the links will stay live for years?
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      • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
        ^^^^ I have been purchasing site wide links for a while now and I have yet to come across a site offering a link for such little amount let alone permanent. In fact every single blog I have come across even low pr one's request a monthly fee from anywhere between $5 - $10.

        I am curious as to how you find them for so cheap as well as permanent. Interesting......
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    koko,

    you obviously read nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Yes, All in One SEO is used on my Wordpress sites, and then DataFeedR
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  • Profile picture of the author theentry
    Ah cool, thanks for sharing again

    Oh btw take a look at yoast.com, its in beta but it does a lot more then all in one seo
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  • Profile picture of the author obadiahfenix
    LMC,

    Did you use a lawyer for your TOS and Privacy Policy pages?

    Also, what was your anchor text strategy for inbound links? Have you ever been penalized for using the same anchor text for all links?

    Thanks in advance,

    Obadiah
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Originally Posted by infear_takao87 View Post

      Woww... 235+ websites. Thats a lot... how did you manage?
      And to think it's even more than 235.





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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Originally Posted by DonGroom View Post

        I am not being a hater its just the numbers are not adding up. This technique is not possible and not profitable unless you are getting links practically for free....
        One thing that I have learned is that when it comes to success; some people will find a way to fail and when they fail to find that dubious path, they will with great zeal, vim and vigor create a path... and then for some inexplicable reason they will vigorously and passionately try to persuade others to follow their failures...

        Just think about this; in the last QTR, GOOG raked in 7.3 Billion dollars between Adsense and Adwords. Consequently, there was a plethora of Adsense Publishers who danced to the bank each time their checks hit. BUT pundits say, "Adsense is not profitable unless you do this or have this
        and this plus this and who has that and does this but people like LMC and Cashcow?"

        Originally Posted by LMC View Post

        No offense to you, but the above is exactly why 95% of people who try Internet Marketing fail.
        This is such a true statement; now if these same people could re-channel that knack for finding a way to fail, into a way to win, the world would be a much better place.

        Giles, the Crew Chief
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        • Profile picture of the author DonGroom
          Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

          One thing that I have learned is that when it comes to success; some people will find a way to fail and when they fail to find that dubious path, they will with great zeal, vim and vigor create a path... and then for some inexplicable reason they will vigorously and passionately try to persuade others to follow their failures...

          Just think about this; in the last QTR, GOOG raked in 7.3 Billion dollars between Adsense and Adwords. Consequently, there was a plethora of Adsense Publishers who danced to the bank each time their checks hit. BUT pundits say, "Adsense is not profitable unless you do this or have this
          and this plus this and who has that and does this but people like LMC and Cashcow?"



          This is such a true statement; now if these same people could re-channel that knack for finding a way to fail, into a way to win, the world would be a much better place.

          Giles, the Crew Chief
          I don't get it. What are you trying to say. Can you ungeek your statement just a bit for me.
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          • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
            Originally Posted by DonGroom View Post

            I don't get it. What are you trying to say. Can you ungeek your statement just a bit for me.
            Just click the below button and remember, this is the elite version!




            Oh and P.S., the system shared by LMC works if you work it!

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        • Profile picture of the author mathmo
          Originally Posted by PGdealer View Post

          $

          $50 a day really alot but how many days he took do make 235+ website ? :/

          ~TK
          That is $4 to $50 PER SITE! [and per day]

          Even ignoring the fact he said ten make $50/day and using the bottom figure as the average [when obviously it will not be that] that still works out to a hell of a lot of money! Nearly a thousand dollars a day.

          Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

          Just think about this; in the last QTR, GOOG raked in 7.3 Billion dollars between Adsense and Adwords. Consequently, there was a plethora of Adsense Publishers who danced to the bank each time their checks hit. BUT pundits say, "Adsense is not profitable unless you do this or have this and this plus this and who has that and does this but people like LMC and Cashcow?"
          I know it doesn't change the point you're making with your post but I just bad to be picky and point out LMC said he doesn't use adsense because it destroys his conversion rate :rolleyes:

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          Side comment: wow, finally finished reading this entire thread! Wish I'd found it when there were less replies [j/k, some of those replies are really golden]


          Is quite late at night now here in NZ, so going to bed soon I hope but I'm sure everybody reading this knows what I'll be doing as soon as I wake up
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  • Profile picture of the author Astron
    That`s what I mean. Yes the SEO can be really easy like this So even if I would contact a personal blog for a link, why would the blog owner bother with my 1-2$ deal? (for lifetime)
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  • Profile picture of the author Astron
    For example your dumbanddumbertuxedo website has a LOT of site-wide backlinks, I mean from a LOT of different unique websites with very good PR. These site-wides worth hundreds of dollars PER 3-6 MONTH (not permanent), but you managed to buy links for a couple of bucks? Sorry but it`s hard to believe. You sayin that it`s enough to get a few site-wide links for a few bucks to rank and you can move on to your next website...

    But the thing is you built a lot of strong backlinks, for more money than a few dollars. So how would a newbie implement the same results ? This system is only works if you can archive a top 10 ranking, but without explaining the link building method, it`s hard to get ranked for a starter...
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    • Profile picture of the author LMC
      Originally Posted by Astron View Post

      For example your dumbanddumbertuxedo website has a LOT of site-wide backlinks, I mean from a LOT of different unique websites with very good PR. These site-wides worth hundreds of dollars PER 3-6 MONTH (not permanent), but you managed to buy links for a couple of bucks? Sorry but it`s hard to believe. You sayin that it`s enough to get a few site-wide links for a few bucks to rank and you can move on to your next website...

      But the thing is you built a lot of strong backlinks, for more money than a few dollars. So how would a newbie implement the same results ? This system is only works if you can archive a top 10 ranking, but without explaining the link building method, it`s hard to get ranked for a starter...

      Astron,

      You have done some good research on my backlinks, but you have to think I'm crazy to let an entire public forum know where I manage to get my backlinks from. Especially at the price I achieve them at.
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      • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
        Originally Posted by LMC View Post

        you have to think I'm crazy to let an entire public forum know where I manage to get my backlinks from.
        Excellent point. Just tell me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Astron
        Originally Posted by LMC View Post

        Astron,

        You have done some good research on my backlinks, but you have to think I'm crazy to let an entire public forum know where I manage to get my backlinks from. Especially at the price I achieve them at.
        But you already mentioned the price: 1-2 bucks per permanent link. I didn`t ask you to reveal your "backlinking secrets", I just don`t get it how it is possible to get these kind of links for a few bucks, but I guess no one understand this. The only problem is the entire system is based on a good SEO on cheap links..

        ..yes it takes about 30 seconds to have a look at the backlink profile, but everybody knows that. I was just curious if it`s really that easy to get ranked with a couple of site-wides as you said, and I was hoping to see only a few backlinks, but apparently you made some serious backlinking to get ranked.

        Anyway, I`m glad that you try to help, thanks for that thread!
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        • Profile picture of the author DonGroom
          I agree with you. I wish I wouldn't have invested my time and money in this technique because now I am missing a crucial link to the technique. I can't find good backlinks for 50 cents. He says he is getting these links for $2 but, I have done some research for the same quality permanent links and people want $200- $300 for them.

          I am not being a hater its just the numbers are not adding up. This technique is not possible and not profitable unless you are getting links practically for free....


          Originally Posted by Astron View Post

          But you already mentioned the price: 1-2 bucks per permanent link. I didn`t ask you to reveal your "backlinking secrets", I just don`t get it how it is possible to get these kind of links for a few bucks, but I guess no one understand this. The only problem is the entire system is based on a good SEO on cheap links..

          ..yes it takes about 30 seconds to have a look at the backlink profile, but everybody knows that. I was just curious if it`s really that easy to get ranked with a couple of site-wides as you said, and I was hoping to see only a few backlinks, but apparently you made some serious backlinking to get ranked.

          Anyway, I`m glad that you try to help, thanks for that thread!
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          • Profile picture of the author LMC
            Originally Posted by DonGroom View Post

            I agree with you. I wish I wouldn't have invested my time and money in this technique because now I am missing a crucial link to the technique. I can't find good backlinks for 50 cents. He says he is getting these links for $2 but, I have done some research for the same quality permanent links and people want $200- $300 for them.

            I am not being a hater its just the numbers are not adding up. This technique is not possible and not profitable unless you are getting links practically for free....
            No offense to you, but the above is exactly why 95% of people who try Internet Marketing fail.

            Buying Links is not the crucial element, that is what i do, but there are plenty of ways of getting backlinks, reverse engineering competition, leveraging link for link with site owners, providing content for bloggers for a backlink, relevant blog commenting, social bookmarking, link directories, etc.

            You don't need a high PR side wide link, you can use a PR0 side wide link with a mix of high relevancy blog comments that are do follow to achieve the same goals.

            a PR0 link is cheap.
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            • Profile picture of the author DonGroom
              Originally Posted by LMC View Post

              No offense to you, but the above is exactly why 95% of people who try Internet Marketing fail.

              Buying Links is not the crucial element, that is what i do, but there are plenty of ways of getting backlinks, reverse engineering competition, leveraging link for link with site owners, providing content for bloggers for a backlink, relevant blog commenting, social bookmarking, link directories, etc.

              You don't need a high PR side wide link, you can use a PR0 side wide link with a mix of high relevancy blog comments that are do follow to achieve the same goals.

              a PR0 link is cheap.
              Yes I understand and I felt like quitting at the time I posted that. Thanks for more input about backlinks, I was stuck and frustrated with the quotes I was getting for the price of backlinks. You just gave me some more options and ideas and I appreciate that.
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  • Profile picture of the author dollarinfotech
    Useful information thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author wtatlas
    I wondered how much content you put on your sites. Obviously it will vary according to the product, but for a simple item would you just have one or two pages?
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    • Profile picture of the author samjaynz
      The concept of multiple income streams from different websites is a great idea, and something I have been working to implement myself. Rather than putting all your eggs in one basket with a single website (or a couple of large websites) you can focus on the nitty gritty with this style of web property creation.

      This tactic can also be modified slightly and used with promoting digital, Clickbank-style products. Choose a domain name that contains the product name, with "review" or something along those lines tacked on the end, then build a small Wordpress website with SEO- when you get more and more sites it all adds up rather quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author poppilo
    how much do u pay for thoses sites
    domain names cost 10$/y * 235= 2350 $/y ?
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  • Profile picture of the author jerrick
    Hi LMC,

    Where do you buy unlimited domains for a fixed price?
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  • Profile picture of the author skipper-chip
    I am just going to stick my neck out a bit here....

    LMC has provided some awesome information, I know it works because I use the same sort of methods myself.

    No matter how much you dig, no matter how much you read, it means nothing if you don't practice it. Stop questioning and get on with it. It's ok to learn from other people but take their advice with a pinch of salt.

    When you actually start to practice what you are learning, things start to shift, you start to notice things you normally wouldn't, your brain starts to work in different directions and you start to devise your own methods, tricks and short cuts.

    A journey of a thousand miles starts begins with one step, if you can do one step you can do two. If you can do two you can do four and so on....The biggest thing I have learned here at the warrior forum is that success follows perseverance, if you truly link more pain to not taking action than taking action it will start to unfold and you will propel yourself forward. As soon as I made my first affiliate sales I knew all I had to do was keep on and on and never give up.

    Internet marketing is like a snowball, it starts out small and the harder you work at it the more momentum it gains. There is no magic pill there is no make a mill over night.

    Marketers work hard, are aware of trends and are ready to pounce. Gather your resources and let the hard work begin and rejoice at your new found purpose. Once you get past the initial grunt work and start making regular income you can then concentrate on nurturing your entrepreneurial gift finding niches and creating ideas, paying others to sweat it. JUST WORK HARD EVERYDAY.

    Well done LMC, your method is nothing new but you did give me some inspiration to try something imaginative with a few things you have said here. Bravo.
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  • Profile picture of the author MWGrubb58
    LMC,

    Very inspiring story!

    You mentioned that you go for tangible products versus digital. Is that mainly because of the conversions or you did not want to create your own product for so many niches?
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  • Profile picture of the author marshgomes3
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    Your tips are amazing, particularly for entrants and there have been many cases to demonstrate its effectiveness but doubt whether full-blown recognition goes to method.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
    Hey LMC and everyone else reading this thread,

    Just felt I should share my 2 cents towards this thread as I am also a niche marketer like yourself I've been in the internet marketing industry for almost a year now and have had some great success with niche marketing as well.. quite literally it's very very easy. It's just that so many people don't actually take action.

    I can say from my own product known as Niche Optimizer that out of 70 different people having niche websites developed, only 2 or 3 have actually tried to anything at all with them. It's not that my service isn't exceptional, it's just that people tend to believe that the money will just flow into their bank accounts, and quite literally, it will not.

    I have no doubt your theories work as I already have 68+ of my own "actual domains" and then another 50 that are subdomains, free blogs etc., and from my experience the actual domains with exact match are killer.

    I really hope that the people whom have actually taken the time to read this thread take action because there is always room for competition and competition only makes the chase more fun. It's just that I can estimate that about 90% - 95% are unlikely to even try. They just take the information for knowledge and then never get anywhere. And then that small 5% -10% that actually do try will probably end up trying to outsource everything right off the bat versus actually doing it in a slow process.

    So a little note to those who are going to try this method:

    If you are going to try something like LMC, don't spend every last dime. Learn how to do this yourself before going in debt. I myself build websites for people on a daily basis and I can say that now that I have learned, I outsource everything. My time is worth too much money to me and I wouldn't want to spend 2 hours developing something whilst I could be checking my stats and improving what is already making money.

    Now from what I said, if you don't have the time, but do have the money, then spending it may not be that huge of a deal for you. But try first.

    From experience I can say that more than 90% of people don't go down the right path, but using the information LMC has provided, you could definitely see success, but in the end, this totally relys on YOU, no one else. If YOU put in the effort, YOU will succeed. And I'm going to stress it even further.. if YOU fail, no one else fails, only YOU.

    Success is Inevitable... when YOU try

    Sincerely,
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I think a lot of people here are missing the real key to LMC's success.....

    .... and that is that he just gets busy and does it.

    Stop worrying over where he gets his back links or how much competition is too much or what the exact perfect search amount is or whether he buys a .com, .net or .info and just go out there and do some of this stuff yourself.

    As skipper-chip so wisely stated above:

    When you actually start to practice what you are learning, things start to shift, you start to notice things you normally wouldn't, your brain starts to work in different directions and you start to devise your own methods, tricks and short cuts.
    I'm willing to bet that LMC didn't already know all this stuff when he first started out (please correct me if I am wrong) but rather that he tried stuff and tested stuff and came up with the formula that he now uses.

    There's probably many variations on that formula that will work just as well but if you are so stuck on doing exactly what LMC does then you will never get anything done, and if you don't take action and start building your own system you will never succeed.

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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Lee,

    I started right with everyone else.

    My first purchase domain was a free domain from a .biz.tc subdomain.
    My first ebook was Rosiland Gardner's Affiliate Handbook

    $XX,XXX later of education --> enter to present time.

    However just as everyone has stated, you begin to realize things when you try them. When you do them yourself and analyze your own methods.

    a2 + b2 = c2 might be a proven formula, but you'll never know how and why the theory is applied unless you do it.

    So go figure out the hypotenuse
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    • In all fairness, I will say it is also a bit of luck, timing, and so forth. However, there is an expression that the more you do, the luckier you tend to get.

      As for the other comment, yes -- I agree. It's funny, I know that LMC could actually show the complete domain plan, list of actual advertisers he purchases from, even the payment processor, stats software, outsourcers contact information, etc, etc. And there would be people that would probably look, stop, go 'Hmmm....', and then walk away.

      While it is a bit of luck, timing, getting in contact with the right people, etc, etc, it is also a bit of just 'doing' it, and figuring out what works for you.

      John

      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Lee,

      I started right with everyone else.

      My first purchase domain was a free domain from a .biz.tc subdomain.
      My first ebook was Rosiland Gardner's Affiliate Handbook

      ,XXX later of education --> enter to present time.

      However just as everyone has stated, you begin to realize things when you try them. When you do them yourself and analyze your own methods.

      a2 + b2 = c2 might be a proven formula, but you'll never know how and why the theory is applied unless you do it.

      So go figure out the hypotenuse
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  • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
    I retract my question of how to get sitewide links for a cheap price...I have found the answer ;-) Awesome....

    But I have come to realize there are other ways to get a large volume of links via some other services and even if I am paying a little more I still end up in profit. Being a part of this forum I should know this already, and so should others, so apologies to you LMC if it seemed like I was questioning your backlinking plan ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
    I don't know how the OP gets his links, but think outside the box just a bit. The man has 500 websites. Surely you don't believe he is the only one. Think about this. He must have 50 sites related to relationships. For $400, he might be willing to put up 200 backlinks to a few of my sites. There's your $2.00 per site! Heck, for $400 I might be convinced to put up 50 relationship sites just for the links

    Thinking of ways to do things is not a problem for me, its choosing it, lol.

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    • Profile picture of the author DonGroom
      Originally Posted by N4PGW View Post

      I don't know how the OP gets his links, but think outside the box just a bit. The man has 500 websites. Surely you don't believe he is the only one. Think about this. He must have 50 sites related to relationships. For $400, he might be willing to put up 200 backlinks to a few of my sites. There's your $2.00 per site! Heck, for $400 I might be convinced to put up 50 relationship sites just for the links

      Thinking of ways to do things is not a problem for me, its choosing it, lol.

      Buck
      Very cool.
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  • Profile picture of the author sme
    do all the websites you make convert? if so, you must be really good with finding niches and converting them.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    sme,

    yes and no, it really varies because my model depends on the advertiser and what conversion rate they have, for example one advertiser I have converts at 2%, I send them 100 uniques every day.

    I make about 2 sales every day, some days it is 1 some days it is five, but in the long run it averages around 2 a day.

    Now, the business side of things is finding the advertiser that converts the best, this is why split testing is so important.

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    My websites convert visitors anywhere between 8% to 40%, however as stated above it truly depends on the advertiser's sites conversion rates.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
      What a superb original post!

      I've given the thread a good read (not all of it, natch!) and do see some recurring points.
      Some people seem to think that they can ask any question they want, and *demand* an answer as if it's their right.

      I also see a lot of post questioning the method.
      Lately I see a lot of posts I do agree with, the gist of which is to stop reading/posting about the method, and get on with it!

      Getting on with it will bring rewards - it will also throw up questions and ideas which you can then develop yourself!

      For example, I've not been a huge blogger myself, but reading this thread and a couple of others which have given great info has inspired me to have a go.

      So, I researched a niche, idea from the forum (!), bought a domain, set up my wordpress blog, sorted out affiliate programme for a physical product.

      I will now finish the blog, and promote, to see what happens!
      It may get me nowhere, in which case the problem is probably something I have done or not done!
      It may work, in which case I will do it again!

      For those of you that have read this thread but done nothing about it - just start, and get on with it!
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      • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
        Originally Posted by The Great Gordino View Post

        For example, I've not been a huge blogger myself, but reading this thread and a couple of others which have given great info has inspired me to have a go.

        So, I researched a niche, idea from the forum (!), bought a domain, set up my wordpress blog, sorted out affiliate programme for a physical product.

        I will now finish the blog, and promote, to see what happens!
        It may get me nowhere, in which case the problem is probably something I have done or not done!
        It may work, in which case I will do it again!

        For those of you that have read this thread but done nothing about it - just start, and get on with it!
        I hope I'm not out of order posting a little follow up to my previous one - my point there was that it's more important to get started than try and cross all the t's and dot all the i's.
        I got my blog set up finished, which threw up some hiccups (part of the learning curve), but I got it done.

        I set it live, and within a short while it is positon 9 on page 1 of Google for the keyword, showing 33/34,000 other results.
        That must be on site seo, so now time to do some promoting of the site, by linking to it from articles and videos.

        Onwards and upwards!
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        • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
          Originally Posted by The Great Gordino View Post

          I set it live, and within a short while it is positon 9 on page 1 of Google for the keyword, showing 33/34,000 other results.
          That must be on site seo, so now time to do some promoting of the site, by linking to it from articles and videos.

          Onwards and upwards!
          ah, the power of article marketing! I wrote an article, quite a good hook in the title, keyword optimized, and the article is now showing number 2 position of 33,000 results for the keyword.
          I linked the article to the blog site, so that's some free traffic coming my way!
          (of course bear in mind that when I say 'free', it is a time cost!)
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        • Profile picture of the author celente
          Originally Posted by The Great Gordino View Post

          I hope I'm not out of order posting a little follow up to my previous one - my point there was that it's more important to get started than try and cross all the t's and dot all the i's.
          I got my blog set up finished, which threw up some hiccups (part of the learning curve), but I got it done.

          I set it live, and within a short while it is positon 9 on page 1 of Google for the keyword, showing 33/34,000 other results.
          That must be on site seo, so now time to do some promoting of the site, by linking to it from articles and videos.

          Onwards and upwards!
          Doing something with this on my animal health niche.

          Posting articles, outsourcing then I am creating audio / videos PPT presentations with the articles. No need to waste articles now is there winks! Recycling them baby, works a treat.
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          • Profile picture of the author therichson
            Kudos to most especially LMC and everybody that has one way or the other contributed to this great thread so far. LMC keep the good work on.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgsketch
    I get what you are saying about your strategy. I'm interested in your mind set, the emotional part of running a business.

    Did you have set goals in the beginning, like a certain number of sites or a certain $ amount a day. Did you set 1, 2 or 3 years goals? What kept you motivated? What's your work ethic like?
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  • Profile picture of the author WealthWithin
    If you're looking for cheap site-wide links, digital point forums will be a good start.
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  • Profile picture of the author tybeeroad
    Thanks for this information. I just wanted to chime in and tell what you can do when you take action.

    I did the research suggested and bought my first 2 domains on 10/21. I built the WP sites myself and outsourced articles based on the keyword domain.

    As of today, both are on Page 1 of google (link 8 and link 7) for the keywords and traffic is starting to trickle in. Click through rate to my affiliate links are above 20%.

    The 3rd domain is proving to be a little more tricky to get on Page 1. It's currently the first link on page 2, but the ctr is above 60%!

    I haven't made any sales yet, but I know it's just a matter of time.

    I have 5 more sites in the pipeline that I will be finishing up in the next week.

    Sean
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    • Profile picture of the author BradH23
      Hey Sean,

      Have you just done the typical SEO to get where you are? Article submissions, blogs, etc?

      Thanks
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    @affl77 - Yep!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tonybuk
    Just found this post and would like to add my thanks to the OP.

    A real mine of information here. I had already pencil'd in Amazon as my next project, now I am going to skim the thread again and start this weekend!

    Many thanks again,

    TonyB
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  • Profile picture of the author Abranson
    Great post. But how long you've been working on this process before you earn the said digits here?
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  • Profile picture of the author sameguide
    This really great marketing strategy.i have a doubt ! will google index any amount of sites per ip or user hosting account?
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    this is exactly what I want to do. Where's the best place to outsource virtual assistance?
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by Saleem Yaqub View Post

      I am thinking about setting up an open source IM experiment to help you generate $10 per day over the course of 8 weeks. See this thread for more info:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...xperiment.html

      You need to "HIT" the edit button sir and change your comments or delete this post altogether. BE ADVISED = any attempt to hijack this thread will be met with a furious and relentless backlash.

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        • Profile picture of the author SaleemY
          Originally Posted by Terry Gorry View Post

          You might think that it works like that here but regrettably it doesn't

          Terry
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  • Profile picture of the author sam22i
    Great post, i want to ask you few questions but can't PM you, can you PM me your email
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  • Profile picture of the author obadiahfenix
    LMC,

    What amazes me is how you're not penalized for the fact that the anchor text is identical for nearly all of your backlinks. Have you really never experienced any penalties for any of your 520+ sites for "over-optimized" inbound anchor text?

    Obadiah
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Each site has a different anchor text strategy... the one shared here was to attack a trend, I wanted in quick, to do that, i need all my focus on the keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
    LMC, have you ever had a site google slapped by adding 100-200 backlinks in bulk?
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    no not 100-200, yes to 1,000-2,000
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  • Profile picture of the author calbeach
    Do you use .info for some of your domains?
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  • Profile picture of the author michael scott
    Hi LMC,

    I'm trying to do my site's template based on your model.. can you provide a blueprint on how you do it? perhaps the halloween sites? Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author hyderkhan
      LMC,

      Sorry if this question has already been asked / answered... I swear I have read every post of yours on this thread!

      What is your average conversion rate for your products?

      eg) How many visits to your wordpress blog -> how many click throughs to your affiliate link -> How many sales?

      What is your average across the board / per site?

      Are you happy with that rate? In your mind could it be better, is it right where you want it to be, or could it use improvement?

      With over 500+ sites and counting, do you ever go back and try to IMPROVE your conversion rates, or do you just let them settle down naturally and move on to the next site? (In other words, if you have a site that gets 1 sale per 200 affiliate clicks, do you ever try to improve it to 1 sale per 100 affiliate clicks, or do you just let it be and move on?)

      I have already begun implementing a strategy modeled after yours and am just looking for some metrics to target my efforts towards...

      Thank you so much!

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      • Profile picture of the author LMC
        It varies greatly on how targeted my site is to the market.

        For instance, my highs happen on specific product sites, and they get as high as 35%-55% on my site, and 15% on my advertiser's site.

        On a broad product range, say your selling jackets, and have 50 or so, I see between 15-20% on site conversions, and around 8% advertiser conversions.

        Big ticket items, such as equipment and electronics vary greatly.

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        I have a program that I wrote that allows me to look at all my sites and their current status. When it was last updated, current conversions, bounce rates, etc, etc.

        I generally don't go back unless I see a 10% or more loss in revenue on the site. Then i go back and see what I can do to improve it.

        The hardest part of this business is keeping up with my advertisers, I'm constantly negotiating for higher commissions based on consistent sales, leveraging my traffic and sales that I deliver to get a better position.

        However, sometimes new advertisers will come along that offer better deals, so then you have to go back and split test for greater profits.

        Furthermore, if I have a website that is converting like crazy i may try to broaden it's search range by targeting other keywords.
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        • Profile picture of the author hyderkhan
          LMC,

          Hey thanks there for the quick response!

          To make sure I understand correctly, you are saying on a broad product range, 15%-20% of the people who come to your site will click on your affiliate links and 8% of the people who come to your site end up buying something? (For every 100 unique visitors to your site, you get 8 sales?)



          Also, this program that you wrote..... I would love to get some insight into how it works. I am also a programmer by day (since I work a day job) so I know a thing or two about writing my own computer programs. I am curious to know the specs of how the program works, what data does it pull, and what reports does it generate?

          I'm unable to PM you, but you could either reply back via PM or reply back publically on here, that would be cool.

          Right now I just manually maintain an Excel Spreadsheet for my sites, which works for a handful of sites, but would be impossible with 500+ sites!!!!

          Thank you again!!


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          Originally Posted by LMC View Post

          It varies greatly on how targeted my site is to the market.

          For instance, my highs happen on specific product sites, and they get as high as 35%-55% on my site, and 15% on my advertiser's site.

          On a broad product range, say your selling jackets, and have 50 or so, I see between 15-20% on site conversions, and around 8% advertiser conversions.

          Big ticket items, such as equipment and electronics vary greatly.

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          I have a program that I wrote that allows me to look at all my sites and their current status. When it was last updated, current conversions, bounce rates, etc, etc.

          I generally don't go back unless I see a 10% or more loss in revenue on the site. Then i go back and see what I can do to improve it.

          The hardest part of this business is keeping up with my advertisers, I'm constantly negotiating for higher commissions based on consistent sales, leveraging my traffic and sales that I deliver to get a better position.

          However, sometimes new advertisers will come along that offer better deals, so then you have to go back and split test for greater profits.

          Furthermore, if I have a website that is converting like crazy i may try to broaden it's search range by targeting other keywords.
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          • Profile picture of the author LMC
            You have it a bit mixed up...

            If I have 100 unique visitors to my site, for this example let's say it is a broad product range, so I'm selling Shoes, but not a specific type of shoe. A specific would be high heel shoes, and that's it. A broad range would be high heels, clogs, booties, etc, etc

            100 people come to my site. It converts at 15-20%, let's say it's 17%, I send 17 unique individuals to my advertiser.

            There website converts at 8%, but that is a little on the high side, so for this example, let's just say they convert at 5%.

            Of those 17 people I send, at the advertisers conversion of 5%, I may not see a sale, because based on the numbers my chances of making a sale are .85.

            17 * 5% = .85

            So, say over the next three days I get 300 uniques to my site, Meaning I send 51 unique individuals to my advertiser. At 5%, my chances of a sale are 2.55 or between 2-3 sales.

            There are a lot of undisclosed variables, especially if you do not know the advertisers conversion rates, because there are situations where I see only 2% or less conversions on the advertiser's site.

            What you can do predict their conversion is take their EPC (which in most networks is revenue per 100 clicks), say their epc is $25. That means if I send 100 clicks to their site I should make $25.00

            Let's assume their average product sells for $12.50. Put the numbers together, and you can see that their conversion is around 2%.

            Again... it's hard to predict the advertisers conversions, the best thing you can do is make your traffic as targeted as possible, because I've had advertisers that convert at 4%, but my traffic converted at 12%+, because it was targeted
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          • Profile picture of the author LMC
            Regarding the program...

            It's written via asp.net platform, pulls in data through Google's API for tracking my current rank against keywords.

            It uses a simple Access database to back up the information and keep track of when the site was last updated.

            Each site has it's own profile that has to do lists, notes, last changes, sales stats, etc.

            I personally did not write the program, just designed it's functions.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Awesome post, very generous of you!

    There's several types of affiliate marketers shown already in this thread:

    1.) Haters: Don't believe anything, want to always be negative no matter what, in general they're the type you want to always distance yourself. Life's too short to bother with them.

    2.) Overanalyzers: They ask a million questions, yet haven't set up one site yet. They're perpetually afraid to take the first step unless every single possibility has been covered first.

    3.) Shortcut Seekers: They need to know the one "missing" piece or they won't even try it. (Even if there is no missing piece, they insist there must be one because hard work alone and following a plan is too easy).

    4.) Successful People: They know this works and may even try it if they can find the time to add it to their portfolio of income streams. Instead of asking a million questions, or doubting it or over analyzing they just do it. IF they hit a stumbling block, they might ask a question, but most can figure it out on their own.

    I don't doubt that LMC is doing exactly what he says. I don't doubt he's buying links for the price he says as we don't know all the details of his link buying arrangements. I do know the if people had started doing things when this thread started, they'd already be making money, (maybe some are already too).

    Good stuff, keep it coming and keep us updated!

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  • Profile picture of the author Duc
    This is a great thread. Thank you for the insights. I am thinking about doing something similar with German keywords.
    Do you think a .de domain can also rank high for the German market similar to .com, .org or .net?
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    • Profile picture of the author WilliamL
      Originally Posted by Duc View Post

      This is a great thread. Thank you for the insights. I am thinking about doing something similar with German keywords.
      Do you think a .de domain can also rank high for the German market similar to .com, .org or .net?
      I can answer it as well, yes it does rank as well as com for the german market. I would prefer .de for the german market, then com and then org. Let me know what you have in mind for the german market via PM
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  • Profile picture of the author webtrading10
    Thanks LMC for all your valuable information in this excellent thread. All you free advice, time and feedback is much appreciated.

    I also have a lot of websites so always trying to figure out ways to increase my income instead of relying on ad revenue and ppc.

    Several years ago I used CJ. One of the main reasons I stopped using CJ (in addition to very low coversions) was the fact it was extremely difficult to keep up with the almost daily barrage of emails announcing one of my advertisers was no longer active in the program, or the link I was using had changed requiring the site be edited with the newest link, etc.

    It became a real nightmare keeping up with all of that and updating the CJ links most every day (especially in view of having so many sites), so much of an issue that I finally threw in the towel on CJ. Can I ask you how you deal with those issues? Is it possible it is not such a big problem these days as it was for me some years ago?

    One more question I have is can your methods work if the domain is not a keyword match to a product? I ask about that since the vast majority of my domains are much more keyword service related vs products.

    I have not looked at CJ in ages and don't even recall my old acct login name. Does CJ offer services or only products? And a related question, can products be offered successfully using a non-product domain (assuming the site gets traffic of course)?
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  • Profile picture of the author shizah
    LMC,

    I've read the entire thread and I did not see this anywhere or I may have missed it. Do you go after any domains other than .com and .net domains?

    I would guess that if the .com or .net or .org is taken, you just move on the next one. I read that you do not have any .info domains.

    Thanks,

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author theentry
      Originally Posted by shizah View Post

      LMC,

      I've read the entire thread and I did not see this anywhere or I may have missed it. Do you go after any domains other than .com and .net domains?

      I would guess that if the .com or .net or .org is taken, you just move on the next one. I read that you do not have any .info domains.

      Thanks,

      Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author shizah
    theentry - I clearly need to get my eyes checked!...appreciate the response.

    Thanks,

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author bestitrix
    Hi LMC

    Can you explain why you don't use the .info extension?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexd10
    Wow interesting guide, thanks for the info.

    How long did it take you to build 235 sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author mathmo
    Alexd10, he replied in the very first page.... #4 post even!

    Originally Posted by LMC View Post

    oh boy... I've been doing internet marketing for about 7 years now, these websites all started about 3 years ago.

    When i began, I did not outsource a thing.

    I built the website in wordpress.
    Optimized the content.
    Reverse Engineered Competition Backlinks and targetted the same and researched similar..
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  • Profile picture of the author dave18
    I have seen this before but have been to afraid to outsource. Perhaps when i make some more money from my other methods I will give it a go
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  • Profile picture of the author mathmo
    dave18, my take from reading the whole thread is do NOT outsource. At least not for the first ten or so, as you need to learn how to do it right yourself because you will be able to teach somebody else to do piece of it [i.e. outsource].

    So don't wait for the cash, and just jump right in! This seriously has to be one of the cheapest ways to get into IM when you do it this way
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    Terso IT: for Web Development and SEO Latest blog post, on the mindset of outsourcing: How to Outsource: 2 kinds, which are you?
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