Which of these options would make you subscribe to my list?

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I'm building a squeeze page for a targeted niche and absent the old adage of test, test, test, I'm trying to figure out whether to offer my prospects a free monthly client newsletter or a free weekly training course in return for their continued subscription.

If you were a visitor in your niche, which would you opt for?
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    EDIT: Seems to be a lot of folks posting their answers to the original post without reading the rest of the thread. If you do that, you're missing an important bit of the puzzle.

    Here's Kirk's offer, as explained further down:

    His target market is practitioners in a licensed profession (i.e., accountants, chiros, etc.)

    The training course is for the practitioner, with lessons on building a practice.

    The monthly newsletter is a PLR product for the practitioner to customize and send to his/her clients and prospects.

    That clarification changed my answer.

    Below is my original answer. Kirk's clarification and my new answer are a few posts further down.
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    Kirk, given those extremely generic options, I'd have to say "none of the above".

    On the squeeze itself, it would depend on the content offer. If the training course covered something I wanted to learn or get better at, I'd sign up for it. If the monthly newsletter promised information that I believed would help my business, and that information was either unavailable or inconvenient to find otherwise, I'd sign up for it.

    Maybe it's a function of my own approaching 'coothood', but the content itself is more important to making me sign up for another list than the frequency or format.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    Hey Kirk, I agree with John. It really does depend on what the content is that you would be dangling over me. Training course as in videos, webinars, teleseminars, emails, etc. And what kind of information would be included in the newsletter. I've subscribed too many newsletters that weren't really newsletters but just emails.

    That being said I would recommend you keep in touch on a weekly bases. Once a month and people start forgetting about you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
      Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

      Hey Kirk, I agree with John. It really does depend on what the content is that you would be dangling over me. Training course as in videos, webinars, teleseminars, emails, etc. And what kind of information would be included in the newsletter. I've subscribed too many newsletters that weren't really newsletters but just emails.

      That being said I would recommend you keep in touch on a weekly bases. Once a month and people start forgetting about you.
      My prospects are just entering the field.

      The client newsletter is for my subscriber to use as PLR which they can send to their clients and prospects. The training course is a training course on how to build their new business. Both are automated delivery. I will include weekly messages in the case of the newsletter offer and unique broadcasts along with the sequential course..
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      • Profile picture of the author milkyway
        Sorry for the double post. I got it now...

        Originally Posted by Kirk Ward View Post

        My prospects are just entering the field.

        The client newsletter is for my subscriber to use as PLR which they can send to their clients and prospects. The training course is a training course on how to build their new business. Both are automated delivery. I will include weekly messages in the case of the newsletter offer and unique broadcasts along with the sequential course..
        Kirk,

        I just voted, but it really depends on the topic and market, I think.

        People on a marketing forum are bound to be biased. I.e. I'd expect a larger proportion of the people on this forum to be interested in HOW marketing works than usual.

        If we are talking about dentists or carpenters as target group, I'd think that a larger proportion of them would just be glad to get the ready-made content, as long as they don't have to bother with the marketing.

        Again, just my impression -- take it for what it's worth...

        Regine
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        • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
          Originally Posted by milkyway View Post

          If we are talking about dentists or carpenters as target group, I'd think that a larger proportion of them would just be glad to get the ready-made content, as long as they don't have to bother with the marketing.
          That's a good analogy Regine. They are actually accountants, but I didn't know if that was material to the offer poll.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        Originally Posted by Kirk Ward View Post

        My prospects are just entering the field.

        The client newsletter is for my subscriber to use as PLR which they can send to their clients and prospects. The training course is a training course on how to build their new business. Both are automated delivery. I will include weekly messages in the case of the newsletter offer and unique broadcasts along with the sequential course..
        My vote went for the weekly lesson.
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  • Profile picture of the author milkyway
    Kirk,

    I'm not sure I understood your intention correctly. Are you asking me, all other things being equal, if the words "client newsletter + monthly" sound more appealing to me than "free training course + weekly"?

    Or is there a difference in content between the two, and if so: what?

    The latter would really make a difference for me. But if you just want to know which offer "sounds" more attractive, I'd choose the training course. Not because of the frequency, but since to me "client newsletter" sounds so much like "we'll send you loads of boring information about developments in our company that don't affect you at all". Just my personal feelings, of course...

    Hope that helps,

    Regine

    EDIT:

    Sorry, just saw your last post after my answer. Gimme a few seconds to think about it...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
      Originally Posted by milkyway View Post

      Kirk,

      I'm not sure I understood your intention correctly. Are you asking me, all other things being equal, if the words "client newsletter + monthly" sound more appealing to me than "free training course + weekly"?

      Or is there a difference in content between the two, and if so: what?

      The latter would really make a difference for me. But if you just want to know which offer "sounds" more attractive, I'd choose the training course. Not because of the frequency, but since to me "client newsletter" sounds so much like "we'll send you loads of boring information about developments in our company that don't affect you at all". Just my personal feelings, of course...

      Hope that helps,

      Regine
      My target is just opening their own practice in a (licensed) profession.

      The client newsletter is a PLR product that the subscriber can use as their own and distribute to their client list each month. I will stay in touch on a weekly basis with a newsletter to them.

      The training course is a weekly course on building their new practice ... marketing their services.
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    My answer is BOTH. If they are accountants as you said, they need on-the-job training as fresh professionals, which means that they will value the marketing lessons. They will also value the client newsletter because no knowledge is a waste. So, they actually need both.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
    I doubt the average newbie in ANY field even knows what PLR is, much less stays awake at night wondering how he's going to find some to use.

    Growing his business is probably something he spends virtually all of his brain's non-sexual-fantasy time contemplating...if not outright panicking about.

    I know if I were a newly minted accountant, I'd want to know how to find clients, publicize freely with a minimum of embarrassing cold calling, get my name in front of the right people, etc. Finding PLR content would be approximately nowhere on my radar.

    Now, once you TOLD me about PLR content, and how I could use it to do the above, maybe THEN I'd have an interest. But until then, I'd have much more pressing concerns.

    I think you'll fare much better meeting them where their already existing concern lies.
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    • Profile picture of the author milkyway
      Originally Posted by Oxbloom View Post

      I know if I were a newly minted accountant, I'd want to know how to find clients, publicize freely with a minimum of embarrassing cold calling, get my name in front of the right people, etc. Finding PLR content would be approximately nowhere on my radar.

      Now, once you TOLD me about PLR content, and how I could use it to do the above, maybe THEN I'd have an interest. But until then, I'd have much more pressing concerns.
      That's just a matter of how Kirk frames it, isn't it? "Get a ready-made newsletter each month which will almost automatically pull in new clients for you" probably sounds much more attractive then "I'll send you some cool PLR each month"...

      Regine
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      • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
        Originally Posted by milkyway View Post

        That's just a matter of how Kirk frames it, isn't it? "Get a ready-made newsletter each month which will almost automatically pull in new clients for you" probably sounds much more attractive then "I'll send you some cool PLR each month"...

        Regine
        Which is how it would be framed. I have clients using PLR each month who have no idea that is what they are using. When I mention a certain PLR product, I ALWAYS have to explain what PLR is, AND give examples from known industry competitors. It's a foreign concept.

        The client newsletter is branded or personalized (they understand that) for them at download.

        I'm leaning toward the idea of both as King Shiloh suggested. I'm already creating the client newsletters for another group, so using them as a premium is no extra effort.

        What I didn't want to do though, is give away too much. I prefer they pay for content. It helps my bottom line.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesMSpacey
    I've found the internet is very much geared to 'right here right now', so instant information/benefits are more compelling.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Kirk Ward View Post

      My target is just opening their own practice in a (licensed) profession.

      The client newsletter is a PLR product that the subscriber can use as their own and distribute to their client list each month. I will stay in touch on a weekly basis with a newsletter to them.

      The training course is a weekly course on building their new practice ... marketing their services.
      With the new information, and stipulating that I was in that field, I'd say both. Combine pre-written, usable PLR with a training course on how to use that PLR for the most results from the least effort, and I think you have a winner.

      Thinking out loud, I wonder if the best combo might be the free training course with a PLR upsell/subscription?
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt B.
        I would definitely look into taking advantage of an offer like that. Great suggestion.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Thinking out loud, I wonder if the best combo might be the free training course with a PLR upsell/subscription?
        Surprise! There is a continuity upsell.

        And then, after a while into that, antoher continuity upsell.

        And after that, guess what?

        Ad infinitum, if possible.
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        • Profile picture of the author Etak
          I think you should start off signing them up for the newsletter since everyone knows what that is. Then when they've been on your list a month or so, offer them the free training. That way you're keeping them interested with fresh, free material.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
            Originally Posted by Etak View Post

            I think you should start off signing them up for the newsletter since everyone knows what that is. Then when they've been on your list a month or so, offer them the free training. That way you're keeping them interested with fresh, free material.
            The newsletter is a PLR product they can print and hand out, or email, to their clients and prospects. It is a business builder for them and something that folks in this field regularly buy from vendors. Very, very few, create their own. Typical price, depending on quality is $57 to $157 a month for a print ready version. It is not a newsletter for my targets to read for their edification.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Thinking out loud, I wonder if the best combo might be the free training course with a PLR upsell/subscription?
        The more I thunked aboot it, the more I like this, John.

        Since I'm going to be generating the PLR product anyway (for another use), popping it as an upsell can be used to start folks on the slippery slope down the funnel.

        Thanks to everyone who gave their opinion. You all helped me clarify my offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt B.
    I would go both ways. I personally am new to the whole concept of marketing through the internet but what I do like is knowledge and information that is useful especially if it's not going to take an extreme amount of time to get the information whether it's a quick training or short informative news letter. I would do the short and sweet value packed training and newsletter.
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  • Profile picture of the author nikkol1
    I would def go for the weekly lesson!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pitt
    Another vote for weekly lesson here.

    To me, a newsletter could contain absolutely any type of boring news that I don't care about. A lesson on the other hand, could help me learn something new and useful.

    I'd only really be interested in a newsletter if I was already familiar with you and was a big fan of your products/services.

    If you wanted to recruit me as a new subscriber, you'd better offer me something damn good!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
      Originally Posted by Mark David View Post

      To me, a newsletter could contain absolutely any type of boring news that I don't care about. A lesson on the other hand, could help me learn something new and useful.
      It seems a lot of folks here are missing the point. The client newsletter is not a newsletter for the subscriber to read. It is an industry specific personalized or branded (PLR) product for the subscriber to distribute to their clients.

      Most of the practitioners in my industry (niche) buy client newsletters that they then distribute to their clients and prospects, paying hefty sums for a monthly branded product that they can get for free by subscribing to my list.

      Among the folks who did understand, John's suggestion has been the best, mainly because having been in the industry, he saw the value of the client newsletter and thought it would be better used as a backend upsell. Knowing how practitioners used it, he did not dismiss it as a rehash.

      So, even though I did not explain it properly, and you misunderstood, your vote was where I'm headed.

      Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Slade556
    I would prefer the weekly course because monthly wouldn't be enough information for me, especially if it was a niche I was extremely interested in. Also, with a monthly newsletter I'd be a lot more likely to forget I had even signed up for it in the first place and then wonder what it was when it showed up in my inbox. A weekly course allows me to get the information I desire on a regular basis and also allows you to continue the conversation with your subscribers in a more frequent fashion. Just my two cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author donkey097
    i would say the training course, but would prefer something instant in my hand if you can offer it as soon as i subscribe
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    Why not both?

    Use your squeeze page to promote your lessons through which you will provide a funnel of high value information and products near the end of which you will tempt them to opt in to your newsletter with a freebie just before your autoresponder series runs out of messages.

    That way you can bring them up to speed with the series and then continue to feed them withe the newsletter long-term.
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  • Profile picture of the author Toby Lewis
    This is a great poll, cheers kirk.

    Not only do you benefit but everyone that votes benefits as you can see the answer is pretty obvious.

    It's like split testing before you even start!
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    • Profile picture of the author JWatson
      I also voted for the weekly lesson.

      My guess is that is probably best. Though I am concerned that the WF population might be too different from accounts new to marketing.

      Though for all I know maybe most members are accountants....no....can't be...I KNOW the members here are lots more fun.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
        Originally Posted by JWatson View Post

        I also voted for the weekly lesson.

        My guess is that is probably best. Though I am concerned that the WF population might be too different from accounts new to marketing.

        Though for all I know maybe most members are accountants....no....can't be...I KNOW the members here are lots more fun.
        Yeah, it's trip analyzing these answers.
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