'How To Outsource Your Entire Internet Business To The Philippines For As Little As $2.50 An Hour

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Hey guys I am not endorsing this and quite frankly I have not outsourced many parts my business.

But I came across and knew that there would be some excellent opinions given here.

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  • Profile picture of the author ASUService
    Hi Steve,
    I joined last week and so far I'm VERY happy. I haven't been with them long enough to give a good review but I'll come back down the rode to do that.

    I can say that at the moment I feel very good about the money spent to get access. The available training for myself and my employees is priceless and the included resources are icing on the cake.

    I just hired two full time (40 hours/week) employees for less than $200 USD per month. I still have to see how things go but I'm feeling pretty good and think they will end up to be great workers.

    Sorry I can't give more info right now. Regardless ... I recommend everyone consider this service if your having trouble handling outsourcing.

    I hope this is helpful
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    Hmm...I will never entrust my entire business in the hands of people. No, I will never do that. I'm glad I not all that lazy.

    As far as I'm concerned, outsourcing is very good but outsourcing an entire business is not the best of business ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author imon32red
      Originally Posted by King Shiloh View Post

      Hmm...I will never entrust my entire business in the hands of people. No, I will never do that. I'm glad I not all that lazy.

      As far as I'm concerned, outsourcing is very good but outsourcing an entire business is not the best of business ideas.

      Why not? If you look at any successful business it is rarely a one man show.

      I outsource but rather than have one person replace me, I split the work between several people. I outsource to several different countries and none of them are aware of what the other person does exactly. This way they are each really efficient at one specific thing. The most important reason is that if they knew exactly what I did they could just bypass me, and copy my systems.
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      • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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        Originally Posted by imon32red View Post

        Why not? If you look at any successful business it is rarely a one man show.

        I outsource but rather than have one person replace me, I split the work between several people. I outsource to several different countries and none of them are aware of what the other person does exactly. This way they are each really efficient at one specific thing. The most important reason is that if they knew exactly what I did they could just bypass me, and copy my systems.
        Please read my post again. Maybe I have to say it again. Outsource some parts of my business? Yes, I will. Outsource my entire business? No, I will NEVER!
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    I think I screwed up when I did this. Instead of hiring a Filipino, I outsourced my body from the USA to the Philippines.

    Wait a second, it is warm year round, I'm surrounded by beautiful girls (my wife of course is the prettiest), the beach is just a short drive away, and the driving has not made me insane yet. Maybe I did it the right way after all.
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    • Profile picture of the author imon32red
      Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

      I think I screwed up when I did this. Instead of hiring a Filipino, I outsourced my body from the USA to the Philippines.

      Wait a second, it is warm year round, I'm surrounded by beautiful girls (my wife of course is the prettiest), the beach is just a short drive away, and the driving has not made me insane yet. Maybe I did it the right way after all.

      I love it Barry. I would love to do that but my wife does not want to uproot our four kids...

      I do take a long break in the summer though. We purchased a motorhome 2 years ago. Next summer we are going across the US for 4-6 weeks. Maybe more. We are trying to vacation like Europeans. Instead of a 1 week race across the states and back home, we take our time. We drive more slowy often off of the interstates. We visit small towns, stop when we see something interesting and just plain take our time. We love to see the national parks.

      I love the opportunities that IM offers.
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    • Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

      I think I screwed up when I did this. Instead of hiring a Filipino, I outsourced my body from the USA to the Philippines.

      Wait a second, it is warm year round, I'm surrounded by beautiful girls (my wife of course is the prettiest), the beach is just a short drive away, and the driving has not made me insane yet. Maybe I did it the right way after all.
      I did this but in Thailand instead. It was great for a while, but eventually I found the whole "beach, tropical weather and easy life" a bit unchallenging, so I came back to ole good Western World.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    I'm assuming the webinar sells the replacemyself membership?
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    • Profile picture of the author ASUService
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      I'm assuming the webinar sells the replacemyself membership?
      Yep ... it sure does.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
        Originally Posted by ASUService View Post

        Yep ... it sure does.
        Oh ok.

        I was a member there once - it had great info but I found that the training doesn't really work well with what I do.

        So I had to take it upon myself to train the people my own way. Worked out better, for me that is.

        Rob
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        • Profile picture of the author ASUService
          Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

          Oh ok.

          I was a member there once - it had great info but I found that the training doesn't really work well with what I do.

          So I had to take it upon myself to train the people my own way. Worked out better, for me that is.

          Rob
          I can see where that could be the case depending on your business model. As time goes on I'll need to add training to the system that is specific for my business but I feel the included training is a good foundation to build from.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Dean
    Why spend money abroad? Why not pay a little more and employ people in your own country?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
      Originally Posted by Tony Dean View Post

      Why spend money abroad? Why not pay a little more and employ people in your own country?
      It's a lot more expensive.

      Plus, if it's full time, then there is benefits, payroll taxes, social security (here in the US) payments (7.5% of the pay has to come from the Employer), more paperwork...

      I've considered hiring in the US, but compared to outsourcing to the Philippines, it's cheaper, easier, and the quality is almost as high (or sometimes higher, depending on the job)

      Rob
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      Originally Posted by Tony Dean View Post

      Why spend money abroad? Why not pay a little more and employ people in your own country?
      Tony,

      Because it's NOT a "little more." It's exponentially more!


      Just me thinking.


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    • Profile picture of the author radar9628
      John Jonas makes a point in the initial webinar I watched that you outsource the redundant stuff to free your time up. Then you can hire the 'local' talent for the bigger stuff. Everybody wins!
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
    Well, I cannot but comment on this. I am a Filipino, and its pride and honor for me that Philippines is one of the best outsourcing destinations around the globe.

    First off, with regard to outsourcing, it deals with a lot of trust. And yes, I cant blame people who doesnt want to fully outsource their business because of what? You are afraid that your outsourced employees will steal from you and get your business, or they may start their own after learning the tools and trade of your business? Maybe with other nationalities, but not with Filipinos. We are by nature honest and loyal. And to quote John Jonas, based on his experience working with Filipinos and I want to confirm, that Filipinos want jobs, A typical Filipino is not entrepreneurial by nature. We will do anything to make you happy, keep the business moving for us to keep our jobs. We want to keep our jobs in any ways possible.

    When you outsource, you will not definitely, immediately outsource the business as a whole. It will still be a gradual process, it will be a time provided for your employees to learn your business, and you as the employer, its the time for you to assess your employees productivity and in the same way their trustworthiness.

    In due time, after they proved to you their productivity, loyalty and trustworthiness, I really dont think why would you not outsource all of your business processes. With this, you will have more time to do more important things, like expanding the business, venture into other biz opp etc. You should function as the CEO of the company.

    Then again, if your not comfortable doing it, dont do it. (outsourcing)

    I just want to stand behind my countrymen, and express to you my fellow warriors how proud I am to belong to a great nation. We are not perfect but we always go beyond what are being expected from us. We always over deliver.

    Trust is very important. We are trustworthy people. This might not be applicable for all, but it should apply for the majority of the Filipinos. What we need is TRUST!!!

    PS: I am just one of the few that is entrepreneurial.
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    • Profile picture of the author steveshills
      I checked out this a few months ago, and this is by far one of the best ways to outsource, if you want to be successful, then this really is the best way forward, john jonas is a stand up guy, and the upsell is the replace myself membership, but theirs so much free info on his site, that the only thing your need to pay for is the service to see the resume/cv for us in the uk, i building my business towards this model and then i'll be hiring some people from the philippines. John has done this for the past four years and trust his own people with everything, so i really cant see why trust would be an issue.

      If you run an offline business, you have to trust your staff, and this is no different.
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      • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
        Originally Posted by steveshills View Post

        I checked out this a few months ago, and this is by far one of the best ways to outsource, if you want to be successful, then this really is the best way forward, john jonas is a stand up guy, and the upsell is the replace myself membership, but theirs so much free info on his site, that the only thing your need to pay for is the service to see the resume/cv for us in the uk, i building my business towards this model and then i'll be hiring some people from the philippines. John has done this for the past four years and trust his own people with everything, so i really cant see why trust would be an issue.

        If you run an offline business, you have to trust your staff, and this is no different.
        Agree.

        Ive even offered other warriors here that I may be of help finding qualified candidates for tasks to be outsourced.

        It will be my pleasure to assist a fellow warrior to make their life easier and help my fellow countrymen make their lives better, by getting jobs.

        All we need is TRUST!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author tacoverhoef
          Originally Posted by chrisbiz View Post

          Agree.

          Ive even offered other warriors here that I may be of help finding qualified candidates for tasks to be outsourced.

          It will be my pleasure to assist a fellow warrior to make their life easier and help my fellow countrymen make their lives better, by getting jobs.

          All we need is TRUST!!!
          Please sent me a PM and if I can upscale my business I maybe need your assistance in hiring some of your felow country men/woman.
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          • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
            Originally Posted by tacoverhoef View Post

            Please sent me a PM and if I can upscale my business I maybe need your assistance in hiring some of your felow country men/woman.
            tacoverhoef- happy to hellp. Will send you a PM
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        • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
          Originally Posted by LD Carter View Post

          How can I get in on that offer....?
          Just PM me the job details.

          NOTE:I dont want to make promises but I will try my best to assist you.
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      Originally Posted by chrisbiz View Post

      Well, I cannot but comment on this. I am a Filipino, and its pride and honor for me that Philippines is one of the best outsourcing destinations around the globe.

      First off, with regard to outsourcing, it deals with a lot of trust. And yes, I cant blame people who doesnt want to fully outsource their business because of what? You are afraid that your outsourced employees will steal from you and get your business, or they may start their own after learning the tools and trade of your business? Maybe with other nationalities, but not with Filipinos. We are by nature honest and loyal. And to quote John Jonas, based on his experience working with Filipinos and I want to confirm, that Filipinos want jobs, A typical Filipino is not entrepreneurial by nature. We will do anything to make you happy, keep the business moving for us to keep our jobs. We want to keep our jobs in any ways possible.

      When you outsource, you will not definitely, immediately outsource the business as a whole. It will still be a gradual process, it will be a time provided for your employees to learn your business, and you as the employer, its the time for you to assess your employees productivity and in the same way their trustworthiness.

      In due time, after they proved to you their productivity, loyalty and trustworthiness, I really dont think why would you not outsource all of your business processes. With this, you will have more time to do more important things, like expanding the business, venture into other biz opp etc. You should function as the CEO of the company.

      Then again, if your not comfortable doing it, dont do it. (outsourcing)

      I just want to stand behind my countrymen, and express to you my fellow warriors how proud I am to belong to a great nation. We are not perfect but we always go beyond what are being expected from us. We always over deliver.

      Trust is very important. We are trustworthy people. This might not be applicable for all, but it should apply for the majority of the Filipinos. What we need is TRUST!!!

      PS: I am just one of the few that is entrepreneurial.

      Wow, i think this is something worth checking out, i can feel the honesty in what you saying, and i think outsourcing is great. For those who might be skeptical, try it out and see what kind of results you get then move up from there.

      Thanks Chirs and thanks Steve for posting this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
    I like the fact the work is done cheap BUT something inside me says its not right. $200 a month for 40 hours a week and we make this in 2 days or less?....Just does not sit to well UNLESS the person on the other end feels that $200 US is the same as $2,000 US to them (exchange rate) then maybe I would feel better :/
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    • Profile picture of the author steveshills
      The exchange rate is different, remember they work from home, and your have to check the work, in the Philippines its hard to get work that pays well, and later down the line you can pay your staff more, theirs so many plus to this method of outsourcing.

      Dude I'm going to take you up on that offer to find me someone.
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    • Profile picture of the author imon32red
      Originally Posted by DNChamp View Post

      I like the fact the work is done cheap BUT something inside me says its not right. $200 a month for 40 hours a week and we make this in 2 days or less?....Just does not sit to well UNLESS the person on the other end feels that $200 US is the same as $2,000 US to them (exchange rate) then maybe I would feel better :/

      The average worker in the United States makes 40k a year. That breaks down to about $750 a week. The average worker in the Philippines makes $100 a week. There are people willing to work for less, but you get what you pay for. Just the same as you do in the US.

      If you were jobless and desperate for income would you accept a job paying 40k a year, even though you know your employer is making ten times that off of your work?

      Now going back to that same employee in the Philippines. What if you paid them $500 a week. Do you think that they would stick with you? What kind of quality work would you expect from them? The biggest problem is finding good employees. Once you find a good employee, the more that you pay them the more loyal they will be to you, and the better the quality of work you will receive.
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      • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
        Originally Posted by imon32red View Post

        The average worker in the United States makes 40k a year. That breaks down to about $750 a week. The average worker in the Philippines makes $100 a week. There are people willing to work for less, but you get what you pay for. Just the same as you do in the US.

        If you were jobless and desperate for income would you accept a job paying 40k a year, even though you know your employer is making ten times that off of your work?

        Now going back to that same employee in the Philippines. What if you paid them $500 a week. Do you think that they would stick with you? What kind of quality work would you expect from them? The biggest problem is finding good employees. Once you find a good employee, the more that you pay them the more loyal they will be to you, and the better the quality of work you will receive.
        Thats why I said IF the other person (the one doing the work) is ok with it, I just dont like to exploit people or feel like im cheating them...I dont know just seems weird but completly understand the need to outsource as I do outsource small stuff myself.
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        • Profile picture of the author stevesm
          Originally Posted by DNChamp View Post

          Thats why I said IF the other person (the one doing the work) is ok with it, I just dont like to exploit people or feel like im cheating them...I dont know just seems weird but completly understand the need to outsource as I do outsource small stuff myself.
          Get on Google or Bing and look up "relative purchasing power parity"... $2.50 an hour in the Philippines is the equivalent of about $30 an hour in the USA.
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          • Profile picture of the author chestmary
            Originally Posted by stevesm View Post

            Get on Google or Bing and look up "relative purchasing power parity"... $2.50 an hour in the Philippines is the equivalent of about $30 an hour in the USA.
            If this is accurate then my VA's buying power is better than mine and in effect it also means she gets paid more than me. I'll have to wrap my head around that one when I get home from work.

            I knew things are much cheaper there which was why it doesn't bother my conscience to employ people from the Phillipines, just didn't know the dollar is that strong there. May have to consider living in Phillipines when I retire.
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            • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
              Originally Posted by chestmary View Post

              If this is accurate then my VA's buying power is better than mine and in effect it also means she gets paid more than me. I'll have to wrap my head around that one when I get home from work.

              I knew things are much cheaper there which was why it doesn't bother my conscience to employ people from the Phillipines, just didn't know the dollar is that strong there. May have to consider living in Phillipines when I retire.

              And about this?

              $1-44PHP Exchange Rate

              $2.50- 110PHP per hour

              $20-880 PHP per day

              $100-4400PHP per week

              $400-17,600 PHP per month

              Minimum wage- 6000-8000PHP

              17600 per month. is it good? yes.

              For employers: how long will it take you to earn back $400? 1 day? 2 days? 3 days? or lets say a week? still not bad.

              Having business in almost automation and you functioning as the CEO?

              Who is in the world doesnt want this scenario?
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            • Profile picture of the author ASUService
              Originally Posted by chestmary View Post

              If this is accurate then my VA's buying power is better than mine and in effect it also means she gets paid more than me. I'll have to wrap my head around that one when I get home from work.
              Just my two cents ... no offense intended. I don't think this is a good way to look at it.

              I prefer to think that IF the VA's efforts is generating enough income (or freeing you up to build your business) to offset their salary who cares what their salary equates to in USD. They don't live here and if they did you'd have to pay them more.

              I've already been through that. At one time I had a US based VA that I was paying $50 per hour part time. The efforts on my part were just as much as what I put in for any employee.
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              • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
                Originally Posted by ASUService View Post

                Just my two cents ... no offense intended. I don't think this is a good way to look at it.

                I prefer to think that IF the VA's efforts is generating enough income (or freeing you up to build your business) to offset their salary who cares what their salary equates to in USD. They don't live here and if they did you'd have to pay them more.

                I've already been through that. At one time I had a US based VA that I was paying $50 per hour part time. The efforts on my part were just as much as what I put in for any employee.
                I am just about to say the same thing. Thanks Mike.
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      • Profile picture of the author sal64
        Originally Posted by imon32red View Post

        The average worker in the United States makes 40k a year. That breaks down to about $750 a week. The average worker in the Philippines makes $100 a week. There are people willing to work for less, but you get what you pay for. Just the same as you do in the US.

        If you were jobless and desperate for income would you accept a job paying 40k a year, even though you know your employer is making ten times that off of your work?

        Now going back to that same employee in the Philippines. What if you paid them $500 a week. Do you think that they would stick with you? What kind of quality work would you expect from them? The biggest problem is finding good employees. Once you find a good employee, the more that you pay them the more loyal they will be to you, and the better the quality of work you will receive.
        I spoke in depth about this to one of my sources, in a vain attempt to get her full time.

        She basically works as an exec assistant for $500 per month (the going rate) plus health insurance and car insurance as benefits. Noe don't forget that the USD is stronger than the Peso, so one dollar may equate to 3 to 5 dollars in their country.

        So at $5 per hour, they are on good money. That's cold market facts. Likewise in the USA, freelancers have lowered their prices due to the economy.

        And frankly, I've hired from both sides of the coin... and paying 3 times more did not necessarily get me better results.
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by DNChamp View Post

      I like the fact the work is done cheap BUT something inside me says its not right. $200 a month for 40 hours a week and we make this in 2 days or less?....Just does not sit to well UNLESS the person on the other end feels that $200 US is the same as $2,000 US to them (exchange rate) then maybe I would feel better :/
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        In response to E. Brian Rose, which I think was his post #41, I use Mac computers, which, I believe, are made in China.
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    • Profile picture of the author honeyyoung
      Originally Posted by DNChamp View Post

      I like the fact the work is done cheap BUT something inside me says its not right. $200 a month for 40 hours a week and we make this in 2 days or less?....Just does not sit to well UNLESS the person on the other end feels that $200 US is the same as $2,000 US to them (exchange rate) then maybe I would feel better :/
      I am a Filipino online worker myself and while $200/month is an ok pay for simple data entry work/copy & paste, it is not enough for more specialized work like SEO, writing, programming, etc.

      The rate one should give a Filipino outsourced worker is relative to the kind of work you outsource to them. While true that $200/month is higher than the minimum wage in some places in our country, one also has to consider to whom this minimum wage is given to and for what kind of work.

      I have written an article on this on our blog and you may want to check it out: Are rates suggested by outsourcing "gurus" really enough?

      I did some research when I wrote this article and I hope that this will somehow help you in deciding the rate you offer to your outsourced worker.
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      • Profile picture of the author ASUService
        Originally Posted by honeyyoung View Post

        I am a Filipino online worker myself and while $200/month is an ok pay for simple data entry work/copy & paste, it is not enough for more specialized work like SEO, writing, programming, etc.

        The rate one should give a Filipino outsourced worker is relative to the kind of work you outsource to them. While true that $200/month is higher than the minimum wage in some places in our country, one also has to consider to whom this minimum wage is given to and for what kind of work.

        I have written an article on this on our blog and you may want to check it out: Are rates suggested by outsourcing "gurus" really enough?

        I did some research when I wrote this article and I hope that this will somehow help you in deciding the rate you offer to your outsourced worker.
        Hi HoneyYoung,
        I just read both of your posts and wanted to drop a note to say how much I appreciated it. It's a huge help in understanding whcih is the cornerstone of any working relationship.

        Rest assured as I go forward I'll try to keep everything you mentioned in mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
    hmm... $200 a month as a starting pay for simple jobs is not bad. The exchange rate of PHP PESO to A Dollar? its 44PHP=1USD. Its already above the minimum wage of an average Filipino.

    Yeah, its already a good pay but I believe that you can offer or should offer a little bit more for more complicated jobs. These employees that you will be dealing with are degree holders. There is an assumption here in the Philippines that we can only work for you, and will only have the guts to deal with you if only we have college degrees. We always look up to foreigners and its a pleasure for us to work for one. So its even coming from you that you guys can actually make $200 in two days or less, you can always offer more for a job well done.

    You might think, if they are college graduates why would they settle for that pay rate? hmm... simple. You give them jobs, they will be paid, and the bonus part, they will be working from home, and we consider it as a privilege.

    Its a common issue in the Philippines getting a job. For you to have a job with a decent pay you will need to move to the city. Moving in the city will entails, paying of monthly rentals, paying monthly utilities, paying for daily necessities and transpo etc. So what will be left on your pay? Unlike when we will work from home, it will be more convenient, we can just share or contribute in paying monthly dues. The expenses will be less, we will be able to save more, and we are working from home.

    And some people might ask, since you guys will be working from home am I not compromising your productivity level because of the distraction around you? hmm... its possible... BUT why would we do that, we know that if your business will not do well, we will be compromising our jobs as well, our paycheck and the opp to work from home, NO WAY. And just a hint: Filipinos are in the impression that foreigners are so advance that you can monitor or even spy on EVERYTHING that we do, its like that you have this super high tech software or tool to do that, funny though it may seems but its true.


    You give us job, we will do anything to keep the job. And regarding the pay, you can base your offer depending on the person's skills set and prior experience. Try to negotiate, if they will land a job with good pay AND they will be working from home, they will definitely thank you, love you and be loyal to you. I assure you of that.

    one more thing. Aside from the financial investment, you should also invest some time training them. WE DONT KNOW INTERNET MARKETING. We have good programmers, content writers, graphic artits, we designers, SEO specialist etc but you need to train them based on your business specifics.Dont expect much the first time.

    And about offering a very competitive pay? your expectation will definitely be soaring high, SO high that no one can satisfy it. Better to start low, establish good working relationship with your employee and then offer gradual increase. We love the fact that we are growing with the business and we will be put in the impression that we are part of the growth and the pay increase is a sign of the business growing. We love and enjoy that feeling. I understand your empathy towards your employees and its a good thing for us. Thank you.

    Its not really the pay rate that will determine our loyalty. Its not like that. We are by nature loyal. By the mere fact you give us jobs whatever is the pay rate, we will definitely stick to you. We are not totally money driven people, we just want a job to support our family and save some money to secure our future.

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    • Profile picture of the author ASUService
      Great Info Chris ... thanks!
      I intend to raise each employee based on performance. One of them that I hired wanted P8000 per month. Without first hand experience with her I offered P6000 to start ... P7000 after 30 days if the performance and results are there then P8000 after 60 days ... again, if she proves she can handle the job. Raises after that are not on a schedule but will probably be evaluated annually or bi-annually. Of course if she proves to be VERY good at her job I'll give raises so I'm sure I keep her. Additionally, I will give bonuses for exceptional work.

      May I ask you a question ... I'm also looking to add a part time article marketing manager. In my resume search I came upon 4 prospective employees who actually look pretty good BUT they are between the ages of 15 & 17.

      In the US I wouldn't consider anyone under 18 because of child labor laws and the situations that can come from that.

      Is there anything I need to know/consider when hiring a Filipino who's that young?


      Originally Posted by chrisbiz View Post

      hmm... $200 a month as a starting pay for simple jobs is not bad. The exchange rate of PHP PESO to A Dollar? its 44PHP=1USD. Its already above the minimum wage of an average Filipino.

      Yeah, its already a good pay but I believe that you can offer or should offer a little bit more for more complicated jobs. These employees that you will be dealing with are degree holders. There is an assumption here in the Philippines that we can only work for you, and will only have the guts to deal with you if only we have college degrees. We always look up to foreigners and its a pleasure for us to work for one. So its even coming from you that you guys can actually make $200 in two days or less, you can always offer more for a job well done.

      You might think, if they are college graduates why would they settle for that pay rate? hmm... simple. You give them jobs, they will be paid, and the bonus part, they will be working from home, and we consider it as a privilege.

      Its a common issue in the Philippines getting a job. For you to have a job with a decent pay you will need to move to the city. Moving in the city will entails, paying of monthly rentals, paying monthly utilities, paying for daily necessities and transpo etc. So what will be left on your pay? Unlike when we will work from home, it will be more convenient, we can just share or contribute in paying monthly dues. The expenses will be less, we will be able to save more, and we are working from home.

      And some people might ask, since you guys will be working from home am I not compromising your productivity level because of the distraction around you? hmm... its possible... BUT why would we do that, we know that if your business will not do well, we will be compromising our jobs as well, our paycheck and the opp to work from home, NO WAY. And just a hint: Filipinos are in the impression that foreigners are so advance that you can monitor or even spy on EVERYTHING that we do, its like that you have this super high tech software or tool to do that, funny though it may seems but its true.


      You give us job, we will do anything to keep the job. And regarding the pay, you can base your offer depending on the person's skills set and prior experience. Try to negotiate, if they will land a job with good pay AND they will be working from home, they will definitely thank you, love you and be loyal to you. I assure you of that.

      one more thing. Aside from the financial investment, you should also invest some time training them. WE DONT KNOW INTERNET MARKETING. We have good programmers, content writers, graphic artits, we designers, SEO specialist etc but you need to train them based on your business specifics.Dont expect much the first time.

      And about offering a very competitive pay? your expectation will definitely be soaring high, SO high that no one can satisfy it. Better to start low, establish good working relationship with your employee and then offer gradual increase. We love the fact that we are growing with the business and we will be put in the impression that we are part of the growth and the pay increase is a sign of the business growing. We love and enjoy that feeling. I understand your empathy towards your employees and its a good thing for us. Thank you.

      Its not really the pay rate that will determine our loyalty. Its not like that. We are by nature loyal. By the mere fact you give us jobs whatever is the pay rate, we will definitely stick to you. We are not totally money driven people, we just want a job to support our family and save some money to secure our future.

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    • Profile picture of the author hireava
      Originally Posted by chrisbiz View Post

      hmm... $200 a month as a starting pay for simple jobs is not bad. The exchange rate of PHP PESO to A Dollar? its 44PHP=1USD. Its already above the minimum wage of an average Filipino.

      Yeah, its already a good pay but I believe that you can offer or should offer a little bit more for more complicated jobs. These employees that you will be dealing with are degree holders. There is an assumption here in the Philippines that we can only work for you, and will only have the guts to deal with you if only we have college degrees. We always look up to foreigners and its a pleasure for us to work for one. So its even coming from you that you guys can actually make $200 in two days or less, you can always offer more for a job well done.

      You might think, if they are college graduates why would they settle for that pay rate? hmm... simple. You give them jobs, they will be paid, and the bonus part, they will be working from home, and we consider it as a privilege.

      Its a common issue in the Philippines getting a job. For you to have a job with a decent pay you will need to move to the city. Moving in the city will entails, paying of monthly rentals, paying monthly utilities, paying for daily necessities and transpo etc. So what will be left on your pay? Unlike when we will work from home, it will be more convenient, we can just share or contribute in paying monthly dues. The expenses will be less, we will be able to save more, and we are working from home.

      And some people might ask, since you guys will be working from home am I not compromising your productivity level because of the distraction around you? hmm... its possible... BUT why would we do that, we know that if your business will not do well, we will be compromising our jobs as well, our paycheck and the opp to work from home, NO WAY. And just a hint: Filipinos are in the impression that foreigners are so advance that you can monitor or even spy on EVERYTHING that we do, its like that you have this super high tech software or tool to do that, funny though it may seems but its true.


      You give us job, we will do anything to keep the job. And regarding the pay, you can base your offer depending on the person's skills set and prior experience. Try to negotiate, if they will land a job with good pay AND they will be working from home, they will definitely thank you, love you and be loyal to you. I assure you of that.

      one more thing. Aside from the financial investment, you should also invest some time training them. WE DONT KNOW INTERNET MARKETING. We have good programmers, content writers, graphic artits, we designers, SEO specialist etc but you need to train them based on your business specifics.Dont expect much the first time.

      And about offering a very competitive pay? your expectation will definitely be soaring high, SO high that no one can satisfy it. Better to start low, establish good working relationship with your employee and then offer gradual increase. We love the fact that we are growing with the business and we will be put in the impression that we are part of the growth and the pay increase is a sign of the business growing. We love and enjoy that feeling. I understand your empathy towards your employees and its a good thing for us. Thank you.

      Its not really the pay rate that will determine our loyalty. Its not like that. We are by nature loyal. By the mere fact you give us jobs whatever is the pay rate, we will definitely stick to you. We are not totally money driven people, we just want a job to support our family and save some money to secure our future.

      Very well said...!!! Yes we are really "by nature loyal"!

      great post!
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      Hmm...I will never entrust my entire business in the hands of people. No, I will never do that. I'm glad I not all that lazy.

      As far as I'm concerned, outsourcing is very good but outsourcing an entire business is not the best of business ideas.
      Originally Posted by chrisbiz View Post

      hmm... $200 a month as a starting pay for simple jobs is not bad. The exchange rate of PHP PESO to A Dollar? its 44PHP=1USD. Its already above the minimum wage of an average Filipino.

      Yeah, its already a good pay but I believe that you can offer or should offer a little bit more for more complicated jobs. These employees that you will be dealing with are degree holders. There is an assumption here in the Philippines that we can only work for you, and will only have the guts to deal with you if only we have college degrees. We always look up to foreigners and its a pleasure for us to work for one. So its even coming from you that you guys can actually make $200 in two days or less, you can always offer more for a job well done.

      You might think, if they are college graduates why would they settle for that pay rate? hmm... simple. You give them jobs, they will be paid, and the bonus part, they will be working from home, and we consider it as a privilege.

      Its a common issue in the Philippines getting a job. For you to have a job with a decent pay you will need to move to the city. Moving in the city will entails, paying of monthly rentals, paying monthly utilities, paying for daily necessities and transpo etc. So what will be left on your pay? Unlike when we will work from home, it will be more convenient, we can just share or contribute in paying monthly dues. The expenses will be less, we will be able to save more, and we are working from home.

      And some people might ask, since you guys will be working from home am I not compromising your productivity level because of the distraction around you? hmm... its possible... BUT why would we do that, we know that if your business will not do well, we will be compromising our jobs as well, our paycheck and the opp to work from home, NO WAY. And just a hint: Filipinos are in the impression that foreigners are so advance that you can monitor or even spy on EVERYTHING that we do, its like that you have this super high tech software or tool to do that, funny though it may seems but its true.


      You give us job, we will do anything to keep the job. And regarding the pay, you can base your offer depending on the person's skills set and prior experience. Try to negotiate, if they will land a job with good pay AND they will be working from home, they will definitely thank you, love you and be loyal to you. I assure you of that.

      one more thing. Aside from the financial investment, you should also invest some time training them. WE DONT KNOW INTERNET MARKETING. We have good programmers, content writers, graphic artits, we designers, SEO specialist etc but you need to train them based on your business specifics.Dont expect much the first time.

      And about offering a very competitive pay? your expectation will definitely be soaring high, SO high that no one can satisfy it. Better to start low, establish good working relationship with your employee and then offer gradual increase. We love the fact that we are growing with the business and we will be put in the impression that we are part of the growth and the pay increase is a sign of the business growing. We love and enjoy that feeling. I understand your empathy towards your employees and its a good thing for us. Thank you.

      Its not really the pay rate that will determine our loyalty. Its not like that. We are by nature loyal. By the mere fact you give us jobs whatever is the pay rate, we will definitely stick to you. We are not totally money driven people, we just want a job to support our family and save some money to secure our future.

      Thanks for the information. You've really shared some stuff I didn't know about Filipinos. Now I'm thinking of outsourcing my App development to them.

      Do you happen to know where I can find some good Filipinos worker to help develop a facebook application. Also how much should I expect to pay per hour?

      Thanks very much in advance!
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    This is the deal with John Reese, right?
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      Yes it is I just happened to come across this and thought it would make a good thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author manwalksintoabar
        How is outsourcing to the Philippines or any other country for that matter any different than Meg Whitman outsourcing hundreds of Ebay jobs to India? These are people who could have been paying taxes. . . taxes that you will eventually have to make up down the road.

        Not to mention the eventual social cost that you will also pay for like medical, housing, food, etc.

        Those who outsource are selling your country down the river. Outsourcing is very shortsighted. Very sad .
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        • Profile picture of the author sal64
          Outsourcing is here to stay whether you like it or not.

          Much like our products, there will always be someone willing to do it cheaper.

          Manufacturing has been dying a slow death in western countries as emerging nations can provide a product cheaper. It's just the way it goes. Today it's China and India... tomorrow it will be someone else.

          We now live in a global economy driven by the internet, which open job opportunities to many countries. The world is flat... read the book.

          For those decrying as selling out local jobs, it's about time our countries woke up to the new paradigm and invested in 21st century opportunities and technologies... not propping up ailing manufacturers.

          Gen x and Gen Y do not understand the meaning of work. So the lazy factor applies across the globe.

          And anyway, who's to stop an American or Australian from providing outsource solutions at a competitive rates? Or have we all become job snobs?

          The USA has been bullying and exploiting foreign markets for decades in order to promote Coke, KFC etc into expanding markets. Hey, it's all about democracy, the free market and competition you all bleat when it suits your outcomes.

          But them someone comes along and F-you Uncle Sam, we can do it better and cheaper... you all cry about selling out the country etc.

          Karma's a biatch ain't she?

          Blah blah blah.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by manwalksintoabar View Post

          How is outsourcing to the Philippines or any other country for that matter any different than Meg Whitman outsourcing hundreds of Ebay jobs to India? These are people who could have been paying taxes. . . taxes that you will eventually have to make up down the road.

          Not to mention the eventual social cost that you will also pay for like medical, housing, food, etc.

          Those who outsource are selling your country down the river. Outsourcing is very shortsighted. Very sad .
          It's not shortsighted, it's just market forces at work. Would you rather employ a lazy local who wants $20 an hour and runs your business into the ground because

          1) They are inefficient and incompetent ?
          2) The $20 an hour expense would not give you a positive ROI ??

          I hate to break it to you, but business can be brutal and vicious. The entire economy suffers if you adopt this socialist attitude of trying to help everyone out even while you're about to drown under your mountain of debt.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
          Originally Posted by manwalksintoabar View Post

          How is outsourcing to the Philippines or any other country for that matter any different than Meg Whitman outsourcing hundreds of Ebay jobs to India? These are people who could have been paying taxes. . . taxes that you will eventually have to make up down the road.

          Not to mention the eventual social cost that you will also pay for like medical, housing, food, etc.

          Those who outsource are selling your country down the river. Outsourcing is very shortsighted. Very sad .
          Ebay, Microsoft, Apple etc. are business's created to make money, they are not a charity created to keep you or anybody else in a job, nor do they owe you, me or anybody else in the world anything.

          As far as taxes are concerned, by outsourcing they increase their profits, as a result, they pay more taxes.

          Welcome to capitalism, dont like it? There's always China I suppose.....


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        • Originally Posted by manwalksintoabar View Post

          How is outsourcing to the Philippines or any other country for that matter any different than Meg Whitman outsourcing hundreds of Ebay jobs to India? These are people who could have been paying taxes. . . taxes that you will eventually have to make up down the road.
          Cause Ebay is different than small business
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  • Profile picture of the author SwiftStreams
    you dont need to pay them bottom dollar

    i have one guy working with me on some golf projects, and he makes above average wage for a college educated person there...i find it reasonable

    one thing i will say though, is they are very lazy, you really need to micromanage them to get quality work done.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by SwiftStreams View Post

      you dont need to pay them bottom dollar

      i have one guy working with me on some golf projects, and he makes above average wage for a college educated person there...i find it reasonable

      one thing i will say though, is they are very lazy, you really need to micromanage them to get quality work done.
      I don't think it's fair to make generalizations like that. Just because you've encountered one or two that are lazy does not mean that everyone is like that. Sometimes you'll have to go through a few employees to find the really good ones, it's probably just the same there as it is in any other country.
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    I padi for the membership for a bit, but for $100 a month it just wasn't worth it for me. I'd rather pay a bit more and use odesk and have contractors who are rated and tested than try 10 before I settle on someone to hire.

    The info was good, just expensive to me for the price
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
    -ASUService- First off. I must thank you for considering Filipinos to be part of your team and also for the concern about your prospects. YES its illegal to hire someone below 18 y/o. Though they may seems to be qualified for the job, lets not tolerate it. I feel bad that at this young age they need to work, and the same way feel glad that they are good representation of how hardworking Filipinos are. but LETS NOT TOLERATE THIS. And if I were you, I wont even risk. You can always find other candidates. And for a person as young as 15-17 y/o how can you be definite that they can do the job. More likely, in this age bracket some of them are still attending high school and some just starting in college. Find other eligible and educated prospects

    -SwiftStreams- Are you referring to Filipinos? In some cases maybe. Try to establish relationship. At first establish an employer-employee relationship and later you can be friends. Try to talk to them not just about your business all the time, try to talk to them about some other things, about lighter things. And soon you will find out why theyve been lazy, They might just be confronted by some problems or issues, we dont know. bu I believe that there must be a reason. Try to know more about your employees. They have lives too, you may want get into a more personal relationship with them, and only by doing that you will understand them, and in return we will understand you. And that is more than enough motivation for us to do better. Why? We will feel more familiarity with you and with that, they may gain more concern about you and the business after youve shown them that you also care for them not just professionaly but also personally


    hireava- YES WE ARE. Thanks


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    • Profile picture of the author ASUService
      Thanks Much Chris for your reply, info, and offer to find employees! It's extrememly helpful!
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      • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
        Originally Posted by ASUService View Post

        Thanks Much Chris for your reply, info, and offer to find employees! It's extrememly helpful!
        no problem. Its just a simple thing that I can do to make a difference. Its my pleasure.
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      Chris, I would love to talk with you. Would you please email me. I have a few ideas and questions about Philippine employees. Please drop me an email.
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        Originally Posted by MYY View Post

        Chris, I would love to talk with you. Would you please email me. I have a few ideas and questions about Philippine employees. Please drop me an email.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay D
    I have had some VA's from Philippines. They are pretty good and cheap.
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  • Profile picture of the author danicat
    I agree with what others have said. The US is hurting, in part, to outsourcing. Now, i have nothing against Fillipinos. The call center there for Dell business is great! No accent, very polite, very understanding sweet reps. I had no idea I wasnt speaking with an American. Why not outsource some there and some here at least?

    Someone mentioned taxes as a concern. You, as a person hiring contract labor, are NOT responsible for employer level taxes. You 1099 the person and youre done. Quickbooks will even print the form for you. As for child labor laws here, you could hire anyone 16 and up legally. Now, im not saying quash those developing countries, but keeping at least some business local helps everyone in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
    Quick question for those who do outsource as my views are changing a bit. On projects you have them do are you allowing them access to your sites or certain accounts where they have to sign in with your username/password? Im thinking I could use some help but really need to find someone I trust since they would need my pasword to get into a few accounts to work on....How do you go about this?
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    Chrisbiz,

    You have assured me of many things about your people.

    When I get some regular income coming in again I'm definately going to hire someone to help me.

    I want to mainly focus on honing my writing skills. But they are other things I want to try out to help my financially until I start making the big bucks from my wiritng.

    When I'm ready can I come to you for advice and questions I may have?
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  • Profile picture of the author RegalWeb
    Thanks, Chris for lifting the pride of the Filipino people. It's been quite a pinch in the hearts of us Filipinos being criticized by some foreign countries. I know that most of you here knows the standards of living here in our country. We are not saying that we are already in the poverty-level but most Filipino families are trying hard just to make both ends meet.

    Chris already pointed out everything that the web industry must know about Filipinos. The Philippines is currently suffering "brain-drain", more and more people here goes abroad to look for a more lucrative jobs. From nurses, engineers, teachers and all professionals are seeking greener pastures outside the country. We are currently lacking working professionals in our very own soil. Good thing that outsourcing to the Philippines has been made an option by some countries. And for that, I give all my respect and salutations to them by giving their full trust to the Filipino people.

    BUT, is outsourcing just enough? The BPO industry is only compatible for college graduates. Around 65% of students can successfully graduate from college due to lack of finance. And only 40% will find "decent" jobs matched with their respective skills. And how about the others? Jobless of course. I just don't want to exaggerate things so much. I've already seen and heard stories of despair. I've already experienced of a person crying in front of me. She's worried of how can she provide a good life to her family. How can one survive in a third-world country like ours? But that's where the strength of us Filipinos comes in. Despite of the hardships, we can still look up with dignity and be happy.

    Chris is right. We are very trustworthy people. We will not ruin the opportunity of having a good job. If you'd like your business to be the best it can be, triple that feeling, because aside from the trust from our clients that we are taking care of, we are also taking care of the opportunity of living a good life.

    Hope that the Internet industry will have no walls or boundaries. Let the top pull the bottom up, and let the bottom push the top higher.

    Kudos to all and God speed.

    Sincerely,

    Regal Web
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  • Profile picture of the author jesus72knight
    I've been quite some time in the Internet industry and all I can say is I have nothing but praises for the Filipinos. Not only their works are of quality but also their personalities. I've met several Filipinos and they are the warmest of all the races I've met. They just do not provide professional relationship but you just feel quite at home when you are with them.

    We should not view other outsourcing countries as mere employees or workers. Most of us only think of the outcome of their work and their productivity, but have you ever thought of you had just given a job to a struggling human being? Have you also thought that for just simply outsourcing people to other soils, you've just made a person happy?
    We sometimes be very irate or impatient of their work for us, but let's just be humane. All of us feels pressure. I know some of them are very pressured on their work because they are working for foreigners. They just don't want to get rejected.

    To the Filipino people, keep up the good work. You were at my side at my ups and you were still there when i was down. More power to you all.
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    • Profile picture of the author hireava
      Originally Posted by jesus72knight View Post

      I've been quite some time in the Internet industry and all I can say is I have nothing but praises for the Filipinos. Not only their works are of quality but also their personalities. I've met several Filipinos and they are the warmest of all the races I've met. They just do not provide professional relationship but you just feel quite at home when you are with them.

      We should not view other outsourcing countries as mere employees or workers. Most of us only think of the outcome of their work and their productivity, but have you ever thought of you had just given a job to a struggling human being? Have you also thought that for just simply outsourcing people to other soils, you've just made a person happy?
      We sometimes be very irate or impatient of their work for us, but let's just be humane. All of us feels pressure. I know some of them are very pressured on their work because they are working for foreigners. They just don't want to get rejected.

      To the Filipino people, keep up the good work. You were at my side at my ups and you were still there when i was down. More power to you all.
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    • Profile picture of the author southwestjoe
      There are many outsourcing-to-the-Philippines services out there and some tend to be less reliable or more expensive than others. But overall, I've heard nothing but praise from most people who have outsourced their work to these hard working and dedicated individuals. I know this because I have many Filipino friends

      John Jonas recently put out a webinar discussing about outsourcing to the Philippines and I know he's been doing this for a long time. I believe he also has his own outsourcing agency. You can probably find it by Googling for it. This guy knows the ropes and I do believe his word. He's been an active internet marketer for years.
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      • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
        Originally Posted by FORhireSEO View Post

        hi thanks for your post I was also from the phil. and offers SEO outsourcing Service you we outsource for cheap and affordable price that would have great benefits to your sites and boost your sites to the top.


        Im Offering SEnuke Blast and linkwheel and its was really great business
        I was on the company before but I left cause I was building my own business.


        for now I do have clients that satisfy there needs for my services .

        They find they SERP on the top of Google yahoo and bing using Senuke Blast , Links wheel and other task that clients would like to do for me .

        thanks for this post and it would really help us building our business here in the Philippines thanks..
        Hi. Nice to see a "Kababayan"(fellow countryman) here.

        Well, I think this is not the best place, even a PROPER place to post about your services.

        This thread indeed gave us the opportunity to inform people about what is outsourcing in the Philippines is all about, and the things they should know about the Philippines and the Filipinos, to help them make a sound and informed decision in choosing the Philippines as one of the their outsourcing destinations BUT this does not mean an opportunity for us to post advertisements of the services we offer.

        This is just a reminder to my "kababayans". Let us show these people how great our nation is, and how we take pride of being a Filipino.
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      Originally Posted by jesus72knight View Post

      I've been quite some time in the Internet industry and all I can say is I have nothing but praises for the Filipinos. Not only their works are of quality but also their personalities. I've met several Filipinos and they are the warmest of all the races I've met.
      Totally agree! I've tried other countries, and paid far higher prices. Nothing comes close to the relationships and consistent quality work I've had from my Philo team.

      Some folks think it is wrong to pay low hourly rates for workers in these countries. They are totally wrong. Our employment is contributing to developing countries economy. The working environments they have are good. The cost of living is much lower, and as they are usually worknig from home, their own costs stay low too.

      Also note that culturally, Philo are paid low but get regular bonuses for good work. I always pay out bonuses for good work, a few times a year.

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      This is good to hear. I am proud to say that Filipinos are indeed hardworking and we try our best to do the best we can.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
    About how we do the job: You should expect for the best. We Filipinos are people who just dont give lip service towards excellence. We put everything of ourselves into achieving it.

    There is no guarantee that you will be able to get the best, the first time, BUT soon you will find it. Sure thing that you will find it here. Just keep on searching, be open, and be more trusting.

    More about the Filipinos: Try to check out this thread I just started.
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eat-value.html

    You will be able to see how different we are. Ive been talking about sharing and giving BUT still people always want to incoporate business and monetizing every opportunities and I am not forgetting that its the main purpose of this forum BUT I hope sometimes we can set it aside and talk about other things or do some noble things.

    Read and observe, and then You decide.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Originally Posted by chrisbiz View Post

      About how we do the job: You should expect for the best. We Filipinos are people who just dont give lip service towards excellence. We put everything of ourselves into achieving it.

      There is no guarantee that you will be able to get the best, the first time, BUT soon you will find it. Sure thing that you will find it here. Just keep on searching, be open, and be more trusting.

      More about the Filipinos: Try to check out this thread I just started.
      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eat-value.html

      You will be able to see how different we are. Ive been talking about sharing and giving BUT still people always want to incoporate business and monetizing every opportunities and I am not forgetting that its the main purpose of this forum BUT I hope sometimes we can set it aside and talk about other things or do some noble things.

      Read and observe, and then You decide.

      Pinoys rock!!

      One mistake I made was to not understand - at first - the cultural differences. We are very informal, whereas the Pinoys are more formal.

      You raised a good point about not understanding IM. The problem is... that there seem to be too many people posting for work and claiming skills in their resume, that they simply do not possess.

      This was a source of great waste and frustration for me.

      Westerners are more competitive and probably demanding by nature, so we need to slow it down a little.

      And frankly, when it comes to doing business... Filipinos and Indians are poles apart. I'll take the former any day.
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      • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        Pinoys rock!!

        One mistake I made was to not understand - at first - the cultural differences. We are very informal, whereas the Pinoys are more formal.

        You raised a good point about not understanding IM. The problem is... that there seem to be too many people posting for work and claiming skills in their resume, that they simply do not possess.
        Thanks for the compliment.

        Its does happen.

        People who are so trainable end up claiming skills that they dont have.

        Initial feedback: you feel bad, disapointed and frustrated, BUT we can also look at it as, whoa... this person is a aware of such SKILL.
        This person might read or heard it somewhere and/or studied the skill and claimed virtually known the skill but not actually acquired it YET. The person might claimed the skill that he is so interested in, or knew that he can acquire the skill and be good at it. These are things people do out of desperation. Well, Just a creative way how to look at it.

        Its just a reminder for potential employers that you need to CHOOSE WELL your candidates. Try to be strict with your hiring process, test their skills. And also, feel the level of comfort working with each other. Goodluck!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    I have absolutely no doubt that the majority of Filipinos are hardworking and can be easily trained. One of my laptops is a Dell, and I was surprised to find out that Dell's phone support has been pretty much completely outsourced to the Philippines! There was a huge Dell support center here in Oklahoma City which was closed after just a few years, and it makes sense to outsource when you can get the same level of professionalism offshore.

    While talking to several Filipinos on the phone about my Dell, I found them to be courteous, professional and very interested in American culture and events. One of the reps I talked to seemed to know much more about American baseball than I do (I don't really watch much baseball myself, to be honest!)

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    • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      I have absolutely no doubt that the majority of Filipinos are hardworking and can be easily trained. One of my laptops is a Dell, and I was surprised to find out that Dell's phone support has been pretty much completely outsourced to the Philippines! There was a huge Dell support center here in Oklahoma City which was closed after just a few years, and it makes sense to outsource when you can get the same level of professionalism offshore.

      While talking to several Filipinos on the phone about my Dell, I found them to be courteous, professional and very interested in American culture and events. One of the reps I talked to seemed to know much more about American baseball than I do (I don't really watch much baseball myself, to be honest!)

      Paul
      Thanks Paul.

      I myself is a product of BPO. Ive worked in the BPO industry for a couple of years.

      You guys dont have the idea what we are going through just to provide quality service to consumers abroad. We need to go through a strict series of trainings, and that includes a couple of months learning not just American language, but the American culture as a whole. We also need to think like the Americans. We are obliged to know current events in the US and also know the American demography. Only after that, we can proceed with the product specifics training. Which is another hurdle for us. Many of the products and services we sell or support doesnt even exist in our country. How difficult it is to sell and support things that you havent seen or used before and youve never thought that it actually exist.

      You will now have an idea what we've been through before you reach us on the phone.

      Thats what make Filipinos good for outsourcing. We are trainable to almost any skills the business requires. You just need to invest some time and resources for training and you will surely reap the rewards later.
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      • Profile picture of the author sal64
        The big issue as I see it is that there is a huge difference between trainable and trained.

        And I'm just referring to you guys.

        I have hired services many times with people telling me they have trained VA's etc.

        But then they are not trained. This is not the worker's fault... but the person who employs them.

        One example where I had a VA who was supposed to be trained in SEO and SE Nuke.

        So I asked to give me an idea as to how best use it based on her her experience.. and she couldn't.

        In the end, it comes down to what you pay based on experience.

        Personally, I prefer to pay $10 per hour for someone who does have experience in IM and can work unsupervised.

        At $2.00 per hour, I usually find myself training them for 2 or 3 weeks with no certainty of a good result. And that sucks, because the actual cost v savings isn't worth it due to a loss of 2 weeks of productive marketing time.
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        • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
          Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

          The big issue as I see it is that there is a huge difference between trainable and trained.

          And I'm just referring to you guys.

          I have hired services many times with people telling me they have trained VA's etc.

          But then they are not trained. This is not the worker's fault... but the person who employs them.

          One example where I had a VA who was supposed to be trained in SEO and SE Nuke.

          So I asked to give me an idea as to how best use it based on her her experience.. and she couldn't.

          In the end, it comes down to what you pay based on experience.

          Personally, I prefer to pay $10 per hour for someone who does have experience in IM and can work unsupervised.

          At $2.00 per hour, I usually find myself training them for 2 or 3 weeks with no certainty of a good result. And that sucks, because the actual cost v savings isn't worth it due to a loss of 2 weeks of productive marketing time.
          Thats right.

          I agree with you that there is indeed a major difference between TRAINABLE and TRAINED employees.

          But I believe it will still depends on the needs and preference of a certain employer.

          Ive known employers who preferred trainable employees over trained employees and I appreciate these employers.

          I know, normally we should go after the trained one because as what youve mention, instead of wasting time and resources training people they can immediately work on their way to produce results for you.

          But for some reasons some employers preferred the 'trainable' employees.

          Why? I dont know. Maybe they have all the spare time and resources to risk, they may find fulfillment producing their own trained employees, I am not sure. But I do know they have reasons behind it.

          And whatever reasons it may be, we should be grateful that there were such employers out there, opening the door of opportunities for the "TRAINABLE" employees. The employers that you must thank for producing your "TRAINED" employees.
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          • Profile picture of the author sal64
            Originally Posted by chrisbiz View Post

            Thats right.

            I agree with you that there is indeed a major difference between TRAINABLE and TRAINED employees.

            But I believe it will still depends on the needs and preference of a certain employer.

            Ive known employers who preferred trainable employees over trained employees and I appreciate these employers.

            I know, normally we should go after the trained one because as what youve mention, instead of wasting time and resources training people they can immediately work on their way to produce results for you.

            But for some reasons some employers preferred the 'trainable' employees.

            Why? I dont know. Maybe they have all the spare time and resources to risk, they may find fulfillment producing their own trained employees, I am not sure. But I do know they have reasons behind it.

            And whatever reasons it may be, we should be grateful that there were such employers out there, opening the door of opportunities for the "TRAINABLE" employees. The employers that you must thank for producing your "TRAINED" employees.

            I was actually referring to people who run outsource businesses as opposed to the freelancers.

            I know first hand of people who decide to cash in on the opportunity and offer fully trained workers. Then once you pay in advance, they will go and find someone for you. Give them a quick brief, then the rest is up to you.

            That is wrong.
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            • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
              Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

              I was actually referring to people who run outsource businesses as opposed to the freelancers.

              I know first hand of people who decide to cash in on the opportunity and offer fully trained workers. Then once you pay in advance, they will go and find someone for you. Give them a quick brief, then the rest is up to you.

              That is wrong.
              Well. Sad to say it does happen.

              That is the reason being I preferred and encourage everyone to hire people directly IF its possible
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              • Profile picture of the author sal64
                Originally Posted by chrisbiz View Post

                Well. Sad to say it does happen.

                That is the reason being I preferred and encourage everyone to hire people directly IF its possible
                Agree. But I had even more problems with people on onlinejobs.ph

                Anyway, we move on.
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                • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                  Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

                  Agree. But I had even more problems with people on onlinejobs.ph

                  Anyway, we move on.
                  When hiring someone, there is always an element of uncertainty involved. This is just the nature of employing someone, especially when dealing with people in a foreign land who you'll probably never meet.

                  There is no "sure" thing when it comes to finding a completely reliable source for employees, just as it is with IM!

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  • Profile picture of the author FranciscoDancon
    Outsourcing is actually good for the American economy. Quite simply, it is more efficient to hire someone overseas to do certain tasks than it is to hire someone in America to do certain tasks. Which some Americans suffer as a result of this, other Americans benefit. Who benefits? Off the top of my head I can think of two: Consumers, who get cheaper goods. Investors, who get higher returns.

    Think of an outsourcing like the invention of the tractor. Can you imagine how many jobs the invention of the tractor must have cost us? One man could do the same job that 15 men could do--that means 14 jobs were destroyed! Should we outlaw tractors and go back to horse-drawn plows? I don't think so. The overall wealth of our society was increased dramatically by the tractor. The same economic principle is at play with outsourcing! The end result is actually more jobs and more prosperity. Think about it. The investors who made higher returns invested that in more business. The consumers who got cheaper goods can now buy more goods, meaning more jobs in a lot of sectors. Free markets create prosperity. Outsourcing is an economic miracle and I love it!
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
    -Honeyyoung. I do understand what are your concerns are. Ive been dealing with a lot of foreigners esp in this forum and discussed outsourcing opportunities with them. I would just like to inform you, as well as the rest of my fellow Filipinos, that these people(employers) indeed knows how to look into the value of their people.

    I had this experience with a certain employer that seen the value of an applicant that I referred to him, to my surprise he was so anxious to lay down his offer to the applicant. He even felt that he may insult the applicant by his offer, BUT I told him to just talk to the applicant and discuss the offer and his future plans; and they eventually reached an agreement. Both showed concern and consideration towards each other. They started right and I am confident they will work well together and will eventually succeed together.

    For my fellow Filipinos: I know that sometimes, we feel that we deserve more BUT try also to consider the current situation of your potential employers. If you want not to be considered and treated as a mere employee try to show some concern about your employer and his business. Sometimes, as much as they want to offer what you deserve, its just way beyond what they can afford. Be considerate. Im sure your employers will surely see the concern and consideration you've shown them.

    For my fellow Warriors(potential employers): As much as possible, be transparent, be honest, and show genuine concern and consideration. If you can afford to give what your employee truly deserve, give it to them. If not yet, explain to them, discuss with them your plans and update them about your business, but never set FALSE expectations nor promises.

    how about you fellow warriors? how much do you like the idea that your employees are very much concerned about your business, and take into consideration your situation?
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    • Profile picture of the author honeyyoung
      Originally Posted by chrisbiz View Post

      -Honeyyoung. I do understand what are your concerns are. Ive been dealing with a lot of foreigners esp in this forum and discussed outsourcing opportunities with them. I would just like to inform you, as well as the rest of my fellow Filipinos, that these people(employers) indeed knows how to look into the value of their people.

      I had this experience with a certain employer that seen the value of an applicant that I referred to him, to my surprise he was so anxious to lay down his offer to the applicant. He even felt that he may insult the applicant by his offer, BUT I told him to just talk to the applicant and discuss the offer and his future plans; and they eventually reached an agreement. Both showed concern and consideration towards each other. They started right and I am confident they will work well together and will eventually succeed together.

      For my fellow Filipinos: I know that sometimes, we feel that we deserve more BUT try also to consider the current situation of your potential employers. If you want not to be considered and treated as a mere employee try to show some concern about your employer and his business. Sometimes, as much as they want to offer what you deserve, its just way beyond what they can afford. Be considerate. Im sure your employers will surely see the concern and consideration you've shown them.

      For my fellow Warriors(potential employers): As much as possible, be transparent, be honest, and show genuine concern and consideration. If you can afford to give what your employee truly deserve, give it to them. If not yet, explain to them, discuss with them your plans and update them about your business, but never set FALSE expectations nor promises.

      how about you fellow warriors? how much do you like the idea that your employees are very much concerned about your business, and take into consideration your situation?
      @Chrisbiz: You are absolutely right. There should be an element of understanding and consideration for both parties. Filipinos are naturally compassionate and once we know the employer's situation, most will be willing to start small provided that they can grow along with the company.
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      • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
        Originally Posted by honeyyoung View Post

        @Chrisbiz: You are absolutely right. There should be an element of understanding and consideration for both parties. Filipinos are naturally compassionate and once we know the employer's situation, most will be willing to start small provided that they can grow along with the company.
        Thats what we are...
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    When I first started to outsource, I found out real quick that there's not that many people you can trust, so I didn't outsource all of my work
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    • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
      Originally Posted by jointaldc View Post

      When I first started to outsource, I found out real quick that there's not that many people you can trust, so I didn't outsource all of my work
      Im sorry to hear that. Im sure you will find your best fit in time. Goodluck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam James
    Outsourcing your business to the philippines is one of the smartest moves you can make, since I have done this my business has taken off so much that I had to write an eBook about it which you can get in my sig for FREE.

    I just couldn't do all the tasks needed to move ahead and now with full time workers my business grows daily if I choose to work or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
      Originally Posted by Adam James View Post

      Outsourcing your business to the philippines is one of the smartest moves you can make, since I have done this my business has taken off so much that I had to write an eBook about it which you can get in my sig for FREE.

      I just couldn't do all the tasks needed to move ahead and now with full time workers my business grows daily if I choose to work or not.
      I think thats the true essence of outsourcing.

      "I just couldn't do all the tasks needed to move ahead and now with full time workers my business grows daily if I choose to work or not"

      You are free, you have the option to work or not to work BUT you're confident that your business is growing daily.

      I am happy for you mate.

      Thanks for choosing Filipinos to share your success.
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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    Just found this thread. I'm trying to outsource to the Philippines now. I'm trying to decide which site(s) to use. I'm looking at:

    - OnlineJobs.ph
    - BestJobs.ph
    - easyoutsource.com
    - oDesk

    Any suggestions?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Let me recommend oDesk.com. Check my signature for an excellent resource to get started with outsourcing.

      There are a couple of circumstances where I recommend that you NOT start with a full-time outsourcer:

      One being if you are new to outsourcing.
      Another is if you are on a budget. There is simply no need to go full-time when 5, 10, 15 hours a week would be a huge boost to your business.
      If you have thoughts like "How would I keep them busy?" means at some level you may not need or be ready to go full-time.

      Another thing is that I would NEVER recommend "sharing" an outsourced person just to go full-time. Herding cats is an exercise in frustration.


      Hope this helps.

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      Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

      Just found this thread. I'm trying to outsource to the Philippines now. I'm trying to decide which site(s) to use. I'm looking at:

      - OnlineJobs.ph
      - BestJobs.ph
      - easyoutsource.com
      - oDesk

      Any suggestions?

      Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

      Just found this thread. I'm trying to outsource to the Philippines now. I'm trying to decide which site(s) to use. I'm looking at:

      - OnlineJobs.ph
      - BestJobs.ph
      - easyoutsource.com
      - oDesk

      Any suggestions?

      Thanks
      I have a thread about how I use odesk in the war room. Check it out.

      "This is where I had my AHA moment and my Outsourcing epiphany! As I began to look through my shortlisted candidates and their resumes, I soon discovered that most of them posessed different core skills. Some were better at SEO... whilst others were better at web design etc. So here's what I did next...

      I broke my business down into specific areas such as customer service, seo, design, graphics and so on. I then hired multiple candidates for this position and assigned each one a very small task to complete.

      So rather than commiting to one person, or to a monthly contract, I was able to get most things done for less that $100. I deliberaetly assigned tasks which I knew would be required again int he future, and that were based on the individual's core skill.

      The upshot was that I found 3 providers at between $3 to $6 per hour which I still work with today.

      But here's the real kicker for all you nooooobs and start-ups...

      All providers are employed on a part-time casual basis. Which means you only pay for the work you need... rather then running around like a headless chicken trying to find enough work to justify your minimum monhtly commitment.

      If you only need 3 hours work on any given week, that's all you pay for, and as you get busier and your business grows, you can ramp up the hours and/or hire more personell."
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
    A few comments from someone (me) that has SEVERAL people working for him in the Philippines.

    1) John Jonas knows what he is talking about and provides good advice on the common pitfalls of outsourcing, and how to avoid them.

    2) Yes, you really can hire people for about a few hundred dollars per month.

    3) Yes, they tend to be quite loyal. Not always, but most often they are. You need to know how to screen employees before you hire. That's a learning process.

    4) The economics make this a no-brainer. If you don't outsource to a place like the Philippines you will be giving up on all sorts of ideas that you won't have time/money to test.

    Here's a blog where I write about outsourcing.
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    • Profile picture of the author darren13
      Hi Chrisbiz
      Do you have an email address, I cant seem to PM you for some reason.
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      • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
        Originally Posted by darren13 View Post

        Hi Chrisbiz
        Do you have an email address, I cant seem to PM you for some reason.
        Hi Darren. I just PMed you my contact email. Talk to you soon.

        Regards.
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    I took a look at the $97/month program. I'm not clear on what the long term value is - once you go through the material on how to outsource, what's the on going benefit of the monthly? And I don't mean that as a wise-ass question, I'm just not seeing the upside to the continuity - except the free membership to the job board (which costs much less than the $97, I believe).

    Again, I'm not saying it isn't worth it - I'm just not seeing it. Can someone help me out her?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
      Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

      I took a look at the $97/month program. I'm not clear on what the long term value is - once you go through the material on how to outsource, what's the on going benefit of the monthly? And I don't mean that as a wise-ass question, I'm just not seeing the upside to the continuity - except the free membership to the job board (which costs much less than the $97, I believe).

      Again, I'm not saying it isn't worth it - I'm just not seeing it. Can someone help me out her?

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      The value is in the training material that you give to your EMPLOYEES. Only the first session of training is for you. The rest is IM training for your employees. That's the benefit. It saves you a ton of time.

      The best way to buy this program is to take the "pro outsourcer" package which is a one time fee.

      See my sig - I've done a review on it, etc. John's got a lot of useful stuff in there. But I chose the one-payment method instead of the monthly.
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    Thanks. I'll take a look at the link and one-time package.
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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    Chris,

    One last question. If I order through your link (which I'm happy to do) and take the one-time pro, do I then have access to all modules immediately, instead of waiting for one module per month?
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
      Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

      Chris,

      ..do I then have access to all modules immediately, instead of waiting for one module per month?
      yes, you get everything at once when you buy John's "pro" package.
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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    I've done the part timers, the problem is you don't own them. You don't own their attention or loyalty, and they're out looking for full time.

    If you can get full time people for $2-3/hour, you can definitely find work to keep them busy. I had a standing order with one guy - if you're not doing X or Y then do link building for these 3 sites. I have him a stack of packets he could use over time, so having "fallback" work made sure he was always busy.

    On the rare occasion he had nothing to do, he came to me telling me he was done and needed more work. He didn't just hide and rack up hours (which he probably could have done) - but rather he let me know when he needed more. A good thing
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
    Its just recently someone asked me, IS 44PHP PER HOUR, A GOOD RATE?

    I replied:

    Its not.

    Usually, for a full time job, you will require your VA to work standard of 40 hrs a week, that is $40 a week, so in a month its $40(weekly rate)x4(no.of weeks)= $160 a month.
    $160=7040PHP per month(in $1/hr)

    The minimum daily wage of an ordinary employee(in industries like agriculture, retail/service establishment,manufacturing) is 367PHP and 404PHP(non-agriculture industries)

    In a month, its anywhere between 7340PHP and 8080PHP, so for a white collar job it will definitely be more. And I must assume that what you wanna work with is a college educated employee with some industry experiences.

    So you might want to consider to pay them accordingly.

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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    $1/hour is too cheap IMHO. You may be able to find that, but what skills will that person have and will they want to stay with you. Also, are they working for 6 people at $1/hour each. You never know, and if they're too cheap, I think you'd be setting up for a real problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
      Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

      $1/hour is too cheap IMHO. You may be able to find that, but what skills will that person have and will they want to stay with you. Also, are they working for 6 people at $1/hour each. You never know, and if they're too cheap, I think you'd be setting up for a real problem.
      I must agree. Instead of you getting solutions to your problems, its more likely you'll reproducing more problems of your own.

      Its just a matter of knowing the real WORTH of everything in anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
    sounds risky imo...

    Unless it isnt a a type of business that is "steal-able" I guess it could work.
    But most businesses are tied to paypal, or some kind of payment system...
    Would not want some kid in Philipenes with that kind of access
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  • Profile picture of the author espradley
    I stopped outsourcing because it destroys the economy of your own country. If your sending your money out of your country, then your economy looses that money and suffers. May not seem like a big deal, but the over all effect is why you've noticed your sales tapering off over the last few years.

    Another thing I noticed was different cultures have different customer service expectations and routines.

    I'm not putting anyone down here, but when I outsourced to India, I commonly found that they weren't able to understand the US customer service requirements. There were exceptions though. I guess people form India aren't quite as spoiled as us Americans...
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    • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
      Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

      sounds risky imo... Unless it isnt a a type of business that is "steal-able" I guess it could work. But most businesses are tied to paypal, or some kind of payment system... Would not want some kid in Philipenes with that kind of access
      I used to think this way but the reality is that there are very few truly unique ideas, and even if you do have one, unless you bring it to market, someone else eventually will. I had a few of those (too many) business plans in 1998 that were truly unique. I brought one to market (successfully) but the others that sat on the shelf - someone eventually came up with basically the same idea.

      As far as PayPal, no, I wouldn't trust an outsider with the keys to the $, but that's my paranoia. That said, there are tons of things they can do without needing access to your PayPal account.


      Originally Posted by espradley View Post

      I stopped outsourcing because it destroys the economy of your own country. If your sending your money out of your country, then your economy looses that money and suffers...
      This depends. If you're outsourcing a $35/hour coding job to India for $15/hour, yes, I'd agree. But if I'm hiring linkbuilders in the Philippines for $2/hour, where can I get that work done here for $2? You can argue I should be willing to pay someone here $12/hour, but the reality is that it isn't worth $12/hour no matter where it is done.

      I think there are some tasks that are truly worth $2-$3/hour - there just isn't enough value in the work to pay more. I'm not talking about shopping the cheapest price... I'm talking about the value of the work itself. In that case, either you go off-shore and do the work or you don't do it at all, because even if you find an American at $8/hour to do it, it simply is not worth $8/hour by anyone.

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      • Profile picture of the author espradley
        Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

        This depends. If you're outsourcing a $35/hour coding job to India for $15/hour, yes, I'd agree. But if I'm hiring linkbuilders in the Philippines for $2/hour, where can I get that work done here for $2? You can argue I should be willing to pay someone here $12/hour, but the reality is that it isn't worth $12/hour no matter where it is done.

        I think there are some tasks that are truly worth $2-$3/hour - there just isn't enough value in the work to pay more. I'm not talking about shopping the cheapest price... I'm talking about the value of the work itself. In that case, either you go off-shore and do the work or you don't do it at all, because even if you find an American at $8/hour to do it, it simply is not worth $8/hour by anyone.

        Just my $0.02

        Some good points here...but your still sending money out of the country vs hiring one of the jobless people in your own country.

        And quite frankly, $2-3 in other countries is often a much higher rate than you think.

        I once hired a guy from Eukrain ... one of the best programmers I outsourced. He told me that $3 is equiv to about 7 beers where he lives. So they are getting paid.

        The only point I make, is that outsourcing and trade deficits have got the US economy in a pickle.
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        • Profile picture of the author ASUService
          Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

          sounds risky imo...

          Unless it isnt a a type of business that is "steal-able" I guess it could work.
          But most businesses are tied to paypal, or some kind of payment system...
          Would not want some kid in Philipenes with that kind of access
          I can understand where you're coming from but as PokerDawg mentioned the ratio of truly new and cutting edge is pretty low. Additionally do you put all of your eggs in one basket ... I hope not. This is where outsourced work comes to your rescue. Let others do the sideline stuff so you can concentrate on that killer app, resource or guide you're working on.

          For me there are a lot of tasks I just hate .... Traffic generation being the big one. That's a task that can be outsourced without giving up much access if any.

          Originally Posted by espradley View Post

          I stopped outsourcing because it destroys the economy of your own country. If your sending your money out of your country, then your economy looses that money and suffers. May not seem like a big deal, but the over all effect is why you've noticed your sales tapering off over the last few years.

          Another thing I noticed was different cultures have different customer service expectations and routines.

          I'm not putting anyone down here, but when I outsourced to India, I commonly found that they weren't able to understand the US customer service requirements. There were exceptions though. I guess people form India aren't quite as spoiled as us Americans...
          I can't say I have a lot of experience with outsourcing to either countries but the little bit I have done I feel that Filipinos are WAY above the middle eastern countries with regard to almost every topic.

          I can't say I will lose any sleep not hiring an American. I have tried MANY times and it sucked EVERY time. Additionally the banking industry, with the thumbs up from the government, put us in this mess and now look to us to take it up the rear to set things straight.

          Read any reports lately? The last I heard the banking high rollers are still getting their outrageous bonuses when the regular Joe is losing his job and home.

          I love my country but don't trust any of the Powers That Be!

          Sorry for going OT!
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
          Originally Posted by espradley View Post

          Some good points here...but your still sending money out of the country vs hiring one of the jobless people in your own country.

          And quite frankly, $2-3 in other countries is often a much higher rate than you think.

          I once hired a guy from Eukrain ... one of the best programmers I outsourced. He told me that $3 is equiv to about 7 beers where he lives. So they are getting paid.

          The only point I make, is that outsourcing and trade deficits have got the US economy in a pickle.
          Eddie - I don't think there are very many jobless people here (Canada, in my case) that would be willing to write articles all day long for $12-14 per day, which is about what it costs to hire a Filipino, for example.

          Since a lot of people can't afford to hire someone locally, the ONLY decision for them is to go overseas versus not do it at all. Think about htat.

          Now thing about this: If I am successful at outsourcing overseas it means I make more money. It means I pay more taxes in my home country and I spend more money in my home country.

          But this is a sad and circular argument, because the goods I buy are probably made in China. I don't hear anyone complaining about their iPhone being manufactured in a Flextronics factory in China. Or how about that keyboard you're typing on. Where was it made?

          Are you willing to pay $60 for an American manufactured product instead of $30 for a product made in China?

          You can't win this argument.
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    sort of related... sort of tangential, what wage would qualify as "fair trade" in the Philippines? thx
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  • Profile picture of the author radar9628
    I am a member as of a month ago. It took me a few weeks to narrow my choice down to one guy and he seems to be doing pretty well so far. The critical characteristic (per John Jonas) is to choose someone who speaks and writes EXCELLENT English. Everything else can be taught. Of course, the 'everything else' part is on my shoulders or the resources I have to give my freelancer. We shall see how this works out in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    The Philippines and areas of the South East are fantastic for outsourcing
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      This whole argument about sending jobs overseas and selling out your country is emotional BS in my opinion.

      Let's get real.. are people saying that they never buy items made overseas? Or eat food that has been imported? Or drive a car that has no overseas input?

      And speaking of which...

      How about doing the right thing for your family by running a profitable business? Rather than worrying about sending jobs overseas. I mean, it's all very noble and patriotic, but in the end, if you don't turn a profit, you and your family suffer.

      And when you're forced to put your house in foreclosure... what's your local employee gonna do to help you?

      Sweet F-A... that's what.

      All I know is that by cutting costs and making more profit... I spend more money into my local economy... thus creating more jobs.
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  • Profile picture of the author internext
    I've outsourced a lot to people in the Philippines and many other countries and here are some tips of how to make it work:

    1. Spend a lot of time trying to find and hire the best person. Spend lots of time testing them before you hire them.
    2. Try lots of places for finding the people like odesk or hire online like in the Philippines there are lots of job web sites like gopinoy.com and bestjobs.ph
    3. Use software like Time Doctor to manage the people so that you know what they are really doing and know they are working. It records what websites they visited, how much time they worked
    4. If the person doesn't work out for you, let go of them straight away, make sure they are getting work done
    5. You can pay them lots of different ways, but ikobo works pretty well as well as paypal.

    The main thing is spending the time to recruit and hire the right people
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    • I'm wondering why you'd want to hire VA's? I mean those that check your emails and notify you of stuff etc...would you want some stranger to check your inbox daily and see all your passwords, logins, paypal info etc. just to save a few hours of doing that yourself? Is that really worth it?

      Outsourcing link building, article writing, account creation and those mundane tasks, I agree...but why a VA as described above?
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Munch
        Originally Posted by john_m View Post

        I'm wondering why you'd want to hire VA's? I mean those that check your emails and notify you of stuff etc...would you want some stranger to check your inbox daily and see all your passwords, logins, paypal info etc. just to save a few hours of doing that yourself? Is that really worth it?

        Outsourcing link building, article writing, account creation and those mundane tasks, I agree...but why a VA as described above?
        If all businesses acted like that then practically all the big companies you see today would not exist. The majority of people are honest and if you are a savvy business owner you can put protections in place to limit any damage done by a rouge employee.

        The rare case of fraud (which should be rare if you are smart about how you run your business and outsource) outweighs the huge benefit using assistants and staff to help run and scale your business.

        I have posted some ideas on how to outsource more sensitive areas of your biz here:
        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...box-ideas.html
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        • Profile picture of the author vxdxm2
          Whats the best way to pay your VA from Phillipines, ofcourse paypal is ideal for us westeners but what about those on the receiving end.
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          • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
            Originally Posted by vxdxm2 View Post

            Whats the best way to pay your VA from Phillipines, ofcourse paypal is ideal for us westeners but what about those on the receiving end.
            The Philippines has PayPal, and it's quite common. I pay ALL my guys using Paypal now. You can also use XOOM.com if you are in the USA. But not outside the USA.

            Paypal is the best for this nowadays.

            Your workers need a bank account linked to PayPal. If they don't have one they can get a cyber bank account with UnionBank and get a EON card linked to the account. Costs about $8 to setup. Pay for it on their behalf.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
    Have any of you noticed that John Jonas added VIDEOS to OnlineJobs.ph so that job candidates can actually pitch themselves? This is so cool. What a great way to access English skills.

    Here's one of the videos (you don't need to be a member to see this):
    Video pitch of candidate with amazing english

    I hope it shows you just how good the English can be in the Philippines.
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    • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
      Originally Posted by Chris Thompson View Post

      Have any of you noticed that John Jonas added VIDEOS to OnlineJobs.ph so that job candidates can actually pitch themselves? This is so cool. What a great way to access English skills.

      Here's one of the videos (you don't need to be a member to see this):
      Video pitch of candidate with amazing english

      I hope it shows you just how good the English can be in the Philippines.
      Thats cool.

      In case you will got someone like her, you should not feel lucky or fortunate.

      Why?

      Because we have a lot of them here, you can always find someone like her or way even better than her...

      I love being a Filipino.
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      Originally Posted by Chris Thompson View Post

      Have any of you noticed that John Jonas added VIDEOS to OnlineJobs.ph so that job candidates can actually pitch themselves? This is so cool. What a great way to access English skills.

      Here's one of the videos (you don't need to be a member to see this):
      Video pitch of candidate with amazing english

      I hope it shows you just how good the English can be in the Philippines.
      That is probably one of the most convincing arguments I've seen for outsourcing.

      If you can find someone who, you know in advance, is going to be up to the task it removes a large part of the risk. Sadly my own experience with overseas outsourcing a few years ago tainted my opinion very strongly!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    I don't outsource anything outside my home because
    it destroys my home economy.

    By producing everything inside my home I ensure
    100% employment and maximum economical
    development for me and my dogs.

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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Munch
    I really don't worry about which country I outsource too, but focus on just finding someone good - I don't care where they are from. I have had work done by people in the countless places across the globe including India, Romania, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, United Arab Emirates, Pakistan and many other places.

    I just look for the right person to do the job. Admittedly there are countries that do tend to produce better results, but I never know where I will end up finding someone.

    There's very little you can't outsource effectively if you put your mind to it, it just takes a lot of time setting up instructions, doing training and finding the right people, but ultimately it frees up more and more of your time, allows your business to produce a lot more, and allows you to scale.
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    I should say Filipino workers are world class workers
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