'How To Outsource Your Entire Internet Business To The Philippines For As Little As $2.50 An Hour

Hi Steve,
I joined last week and so far I'm VERY happy. I haven't been with them long enough to give a good review but I'll come back down the rode to do that.

I can say that at the moment I feel very good about the money spent to get access. The available training for myself and my employees is priceless and the included resources are icing on the cake.

I just hired two full time (40 hours/week) employees for less than $200 USD per month. I still have to see how things go but I'm feeling pretty good and think they will end up to be great workers.

Sorry I can't give more info right now. Regardless ... I recommend everyone consider this service if your having trouble handling outsourcing.

I hope this is helpful

Hmm...I will never entrust my entire business in the hands of people. No, I will never do that. I'm glad I not all that lazy.

As far as I'm concerned, outsourcing is very good but outsourcing an entire business is not the best of business ideas.

I think I screwed up when I did this. Instead of hiring a Filipino, I outsourced my body from the USA to the Philippines.

Wait a second, it is warm year round, I'm surrounded by beautiful girls (my wife of course is the prettiest), the beach is just a short drive away, and the driving has not made me insane yet. Maybe I did it the right way after all.

I'm assuming the webinar sells the replacemyself membership?

Why spend money abroad? Why not pay a little more and employ people in your own country?

Well, I cannot but comment on this. I am a Filipino, and its pride and honor for me that Philippines is one of the best outsourcing destinations around the globe.

First off, with regard to outsourcing, it deals with a lot of trust. And yes, I cant blame people who doesnt want to fully outsource their business because of what? You are afraid that your outsourced employees will steal from you and get your business, or they may start their own after learning the tools and trade of your business? Maybe with other nationalities, but not with Filipinos. We are by nature honest and loyal. And to quote John Jonas, based on his experience working with Filipinos and I want to confirm, that Filipinos want jobs, A typical Filipino is not entrepreneurial by nature. We will do anything to make you happy, keep the business moving for us to keep our jobs. We want to keep our jobs in any ways possible.

When you outsource, you will not definitely, immediately outsource the business as a whole. It will still be a gradual process, it will be a time provided for your employees to learn your business, and you as the employer, its the time for you to assess your employees productivity and in the same way their trustworthiness.

In due time, after they proved to you their productivity, loyalty and trustworthiness, I really dont think why would you not outsource all of your business processes. With this, you will have more time to do more important things, like expanding the business, venture into other biz opp etc. You should function as the CEO of the company.

Then again, if your not comfortable doing it, dont do it. (outsourcing)

I just want to stand behind my countrymen, and express to you my fellow warriors how proud I am to belong to a great nation. We are not perfect but we always go beyond what are being expected from us. We always over deliver.

Trust is very important. We are trustworthy people. This might not be applicable for all, but it should apply for the majority of the Filipinos. What we need is TRUST!!!

PS: I am just one of the few that is entrepreneurial.

I like the fact the work is done cheap BUT something inside me says its not right. $200 a month for 40 hours a week and we make this in 2 days or less?....Just does not sit to well UNLESS the person on the other end feels that $200 US is the same as $2,000 US to them (exchange rate) then maybe I would feel better :/

hmm... $200 a month as a starting pay for simple jobs is not bad. The exchange rate of PHP PESO to A Dollar? its 44PHP=1USD. Its already above the minimum wage of an average Filipino.

Yeah, its already a good pay but I believe that you can offer or should offer a little bit more for more complicated jobs. These employees that you will be dealing with are degree holders. There is an assumption here in the Philippines that we can only work for you, and will only have the guts to deal with you if only we have college degrees. We always look up to foreigners and its a pleasure for us to work for one. So its even coming from you that you guys can actually make $200 in two days or less, you can always offer more for a job well done.

You might think, if they are college graduates why would they settle for that pay rate? hmm... simple. You give them jobs, they will be paid, and the bonus part, they will be working from home, and we consider it as a privilege.

Its a common issue in the Philippines getting a job. For you to have a job with a decent pay you will need to move to the city. Moving in the city will entails, paying of monthly rentals, paying monthly utilities, paying for daily necessities and transpo etc. So what will be left on your pay? Unlike when we will work from home, it will be more convenient, we can just share or contribute in paying monthly dues. The expenses will be less, we will be able to save more, and we are working from home.

And some people might ask, since you guys will be working from home am I not compromising your productivity level because of the distraction around you? hmm... its possible... BUT why would we do that, we know that if your business will not do well, we will be compromising our jobs as well, our paycheck and the opp to work from home, NO WAY. And just a hint: Filipinos are in the impression that foreigners are so advance that you can monitor or even spy on EVERYTHING that we do, its like that you have this super high tech software or tool to do that, funny though it may seems but its true.


You give us job, we will do anything to keep the job. And regarding the pay, you can base your offer depending on the person's skills set and prior experience. Try to negotiate, if they will land a job with good pay AND they will be working from home, they will definitely thank you, love you and be loyal to you. I assure you of that.

one more thing. Aside from the financial investment, you should also invest some time training them. WE DONT KNOW INTERNET MARKETING. We have good programmers, content writers, graphic artits, we designers, SEO specialist etc but you need to train them based on your business specifics.Dont expect much the first time.

And about offering a very competitive pay? your expectation will definitely be soaring high, SO high that no one can satisfy it. Better to start low, establish good working relationship with your employee and then offer gradual increase. We love the fact that we are growing with the business and we will be put in the impression that we are part of the growth and the pay increase is a sign of the business growing. We love and enjoy that feeling. I understand your empathy towards your employees and its a good thing for us. Thank you.

Its not really the pay rate that will determine our loyalty. Its not like that. We are by nature loyal. By the mere fact you give us jobs whatever is the pay rate, we will definitely stick to you. We are not totally money driven people, we just want a job to support our family and save some money to secure our future.

This is the deal with John Reese, right?

you dont need to pay them bottom dollar

i have one guy working with me on some golf projects, and he makes above average wage for a college educated person there...i find it reasonable

one thing i will say though, is they are very lazy, you really need to micromanage them to get quality work done.

I padi for the membership for a bit, but for $100 a month it just wasn't worth it for me. I'd rather pay a bit more and use odesk and have contractors who are rated and tested than try 10 before I settle on someone to hire.

The info was good, just expensive to me for the price

-ASUService- First off. I must thank you for considering Filipinos to be part of your team and also for the concern about your prospects. YES its illegal to hire someone below 18 y/o. Though they may seems to be qualified for the job, lets not tolerate it. I feel bad that at this young age they need to work, and the same way feel glad that they are good representation of how hardworking Filipinos are. but LETS NOT TOLERATE THIS. And if I were you, I wont even risk. You can always find other candidates. And for a person as young as 15-17 y/o how can you be definite that they can do the job. More likely, in this age bracket some of them are still attending high school and some just starting in college. Find other eligible and educated prospects

-SwiftStreams- Are you referring to Filipinos? In some cases maybe. Try to establish relationship. At first establish an employer-employee relationship and later you can be friends. Try to talk to them not just about your business all the time, try to talk to them about some other things, about lighter things. And soon you will find out why theyve been lazy, They might just be confronted by some problems or issues, we dont know. bu I believe that there must be a reason. Try to know more about your employees. They have lives too, you may want get into a more personal relationship with them, and only by doing that you will understand them, and in return we will understand you. And that is more than enough motivation for us to do better. Why? We will feel more familiarity with you and with that, they may gain more concern about you and the business after youve shown them that you also care for them not just professionaly but also personally


hireava- YES WE ARE. Thanks


PS: Just for you to know. I AM NOT OFFERING ANY SERVICES HERE. I DONT GET PAID FOR ANY REFERRALS I GIVE. AGAIN, WHAT I AM DOING IS A FAVOR FOR A FELLOW WARRIOR AND A FELLOW COUNTRYMAN. YES, THERE IS STILL SOMETHING FREE IN THIS WORLD, ESP. HERE IN THE INTERNET MARKETING WORLD.

I have had some VA's from Philippines. They are pretty good and cheap.

I agree with what others have said. The US is hurting, in part, to outsourcing. Now, i have nothing against Fillipinos. The call center there for Dell business is great! No accent, very polite, very understanding sweet reps. I had no idea I wasnt speaking with an American. Why not outsource some there and some here at least?

Someone mentioned taxes as a concern. You, as a person hiring contract labor, are NOT responsible for employer level taxes. You 1099 the person and youre done. Quickbooks will even print the form for you. As for child labor laws here, you could hire anyone 16 and up legally. Now, im not saying quash those developing countries, but keeping at least some business local helps everyone in the long run.

Quick question for those who do outsource as my views are changing a bit. On projects you have them do are you allowing them access to your sites or certain accounts where they have to sign in with your username/password? Im thinking I could use some help but really need to find someone I trust since they would need my pasword to get into a few accounts to work on....How do you go about this?

Chrisbiz,

You have assured me of many things about your people.

When I get some regular income coming in again I'm definately going to hire someone to help me.

I want to mainly focus on honing my writing skills. But they are other things I want to try out to help my financially until I start making the big bucks from my wiritng.

When I'm ready can I come to you for advice and questions I may have?

Thanks, Chris for lifting the pride of the Filipino people. It's been quite a pinch in the hearts of us Filipinos being criticized by some foreign countries. I know that most of you here knows the standards of living here in our country. We are not saying that we are already in the poverty-level but most Filipino families are trying hard just to make both ends meet.

Chris already pointed out everything that the web industry must know about Filipinos. The Philippines is currently suffering "brain-drain", more and more people here goes abroad to look for a more lucrative jobs. From nurses, engineers, teachers and all professionals are seeking greener pastures outside the country. We are currently lacking working professionals in our very own soil. Good thing that outsourcing to the Philippines has been made an option by some countries. And for that, I give all my respect and salutations to them by giving their full trust to the Filipino people.

BUT, is outsourcing just enough? The BPO industry is only compatible for college graduates. Around 65% of students can successfully graduate from college due to lack of finance. And only 40% will find "decent" jobs matched with their respective skills. And how about the others? Jobless of course. I just don't want to exaggerate things so much. I've already seen and heard stories of despair. I've already experienced of a person crying in front of me. She's worried of how can she provide a good life to her family. How can one survive in a third-world country like ours? But that's where the strength of us Filipinos comes in. Despite of the hardships, we can still look up with dignity and be happy.

Chris is right. We are very trustworthy people. We will not ruin the opportunity of having a good job. If you'd like your business to be the best it can be, triple that feeling, because aside from the trust from our clients that we are taking care of, we are also taking care of the opportunity of living a good life.

Hope that the Internet industry will have no walls or boundaries. Let the top pull the bottom up, and let the bottom push the top higher.

Kudos to all and God speed.

Sincerely,

Regal Web

I've been quite some time in the Internet industry and all I can say is I have nothing but praises for the Filipinos. Not only their works are of quality but also their personalities. I've met several Filipinos and they are the warmest of all the races I've met. They just do not provide professional relationship but you just feel quite at home when you are with them.

We should not view other outsourcing countries as mere employees or workers. Most of us only think of the outcome of their work and their productivity, but have you ever thought of you had just given a job to a struggling human being? Have you also thought that for just simply outsourcing people to other soils, you've just made a person happy?
We sometimes be very irate or impatient of their work for us, but let's just be humane. All of us feels pressure. I know some of them are very pressured on their work because they are working for foreigners. They just don't want to get rejected.

To the Filipino people, keep up the good work. You were at my side at my ups and you were still there when i was down. More power to you all.

About how we do the job: You should expect for the best. We Filipinos are people who just dont give lip service towards excellence. We put everything of ourselves into achieving it.

There is no guarantee that you will be able to get the best, the first time, BUT soon you will find it. Sure thing that you will find it here. Just keep on searching, be open, and be more trusting.

More about the Filipinos: Try to check out this thread I just started.
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eat-value.html

You will be able to see how different we are. Ive been talking about sharing and giving BUT still people always want to incoporate business and monetizing every opportunities and I am not forgetting that its the main purpose of this forum BUT I hope sometimes we can set it aside and talk about other things or do some noble things.

Read and observe, and then You decide.

I have absolutely no doubt that the majority of Filipinos are hardworking and can be easily trained. One of my laptops is a Dell, and I was surprised to find out that Dell's phone support has been pretty much completely outsourced to the Philippines! There was a huge Dell support center here in Oklahoma City which was closed after just a few years, and it makes sense to outsource when you can get the same level of professionalism offshore.

While talking to several Filipinos on the phone about my Dell, I found them to be courteous, professional and very interested in American culture and events. One of the reps I talked to seemed to know much more about American baseball than I do (I don't really watch much baseball myself, to be honest!)

Paul

Outsourcing is actually good for the American economy. Quite simply, it is more efficient to hire someone overseas to do certain tasks than it is to hire someone in America to do certain tasks. Which some Americans suffer as a result of this, other Americans benefit. Who benefits? Off the top of my head I can think of two: Consumers, who get cheaper goods. Investors, who get higher returns.

Think of an outsourcing like the invention of the tractor. Can you imagine how many jobs the invention of the tractor must have cost us? One man could do the same job that 15 men could do--that means 14 jobs were destroyed! Should we outlaw tractors and go back to horse-drawn plows? I don't think so. The overall wealth of our society was increased dramatically by the tractor. The same economic principle is at play with outsourcing! The end result is actually more jobs and more prosperity. Think about it. The investors who made higher returns invested that in more business. The consumers who got cheaper goods can now buy more goods, meaning more jobs in a lot of sectors. Free markets create prosperity. Outsourcing is an economic miracle and I love it!

-Honeyyoung. I do understand what are your concerns are. Ive been dealing with a lot of foreigners esp in this forum and discussed outsourcing opportunities with them. I would just like to inform you, as well as the rest of my fellow Filipinos, that these people(employers) indeed knows how to look into the value of their people.

I had this experience with a certain employer that seen the value of an applicant that I referred to him, to my surprise he was so anxious to lay down his offer to the applicant. He even felt that he may insult the applicant by his offer, BUT I told him to just talk to the applicant and discuss the offer and his future plans; and they eventually reached an agreement. Both showed concern and consideration towards each other. They started right and I am confident they will work well together and will eventually succeed together.

For my fellow Filipinos: I know that sometimes, we feel that we deserve more BUT try also to consider the current situation of your potential employers. If you want not to be considered and treated as a mere employee try to show some concern about your employer and his business. Sometimes, as much as they want to offer what you deserve, its just way beyond what they can afford. Be considerate. Im sure your employers will surely see the concern and consideration you've shown them.

For my fellow Warriors(potential employers): As much as possible, be transparent, be honest, and show genuine concern and consideration. If you can afford to give what your employee truly deserve, give it to them. If not yet, explain to them, discuss with them your plans and update them about your business, but never set FALSE expectations nor promises.

how about you fellow warriors? how much do you like the idea that your employees are very much concerned about your business, and take into consideration your situation?

When I first started to outsource, I found out real quick that there's not that many people you can trust, so I didn't outsource all of my work

Outsourcing your business to the philippines is one of the smartest moves you can make, since I have done this my business has taken off so much that I had to write an eBook about it which you can get in my sig for FREE.

I just couldn't do all the tasks needed to move ahead and now with full time workers my business grows daily if I choose to work or not.

Just found this thread. I'm trying to outsource to the Philippines now. I'm trying to decide which site(s) to use. I'm looking at:

- OnlineJobs.ph
- BestJobs.ph
- easyoutsource.com
- oDesk

Any suggestions?

Thanks

A few comments from someone (me) that has SEVERAL people working for him in the Philippines.

1) John Jonas knows what he is talking about and provides good advice on the common pitfalls of outsourcing, and how to avoid them.

2) Yes, you really can hire people for about a few hundred dollars per month.

3) Yes, they tend to be quite loyal. Not always, but most often they are. You need to know how to screen employees before you hire. That's a learning process.

4) The economics make this a no-brainer. If you don't outsource to a place like the Philippines you will be giving up on all sorts of ideas that you won't have time/money to test.

Here's a blog where I write about outsourcing.

I took a look at the $97/month program. I'm not clear on what the long term value is - once you go through the material on how to outsource, what's the on going benefit of the monthly? And I don't mean that as a wise-ass question, I'm just not seeing the upside to the continuity - except the free membership to the job board (which costs much less than the $97, I believe).

Again, I'm not saying it isn't worth it - I'm just not seeing it. Can someone help me out her?

Thanks

Thanks. I'll take a look at the link and one-time package.

Chris,

One last question. If I order through your link (which I'm happy to do) and take the one-time pro, do I then have access to all modules immediately, instead of waiting for one module per month?

I've done the part timers, the problem is you don't own them. You don't own their attention or loyalty, and they're out looking for full time.

If you can get full time people for $2-3/hour, you can definitely find work to keep them busy. I had a standing order with one guy - if you're not doing X or Y then do link building for these 3 sites. I have him a stack of packets he could use over time, so having "fallback" work made sure he was always busy.

On the rare occasion he had nothing to do, he came to me telling me he was done and needed more work. He didn't just hide and rack up hours (which he probably could have done) - but rather he let me know when he needed more. A good thing

Its just recently someone asked me, IS 44PHP PER HOUR, A GOOD RATE?

I replied:

Its not.

Usually, for a full time job, you will require your VA to work standard of 40 hrs a week, that is $40 a week, so in a month its $40(weekly rate)x4(no.of weeks)= $160 a month.
$160=7040PHP per month(in $1/hr)

The minimum daily wage of an ordinary employee(in industries like agriculture, retail/service establishment,manufacturing) is 367PHP and 404PHP(non-agriculture industries)

In a month, its anywhere between 7340PHP and 8080PHP, so for a white collar job it will definitely be more. And I must assume that what you wanna work with is a college educated employee with some industry experiences.

So you might want to consider to pay them accordingly.

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For reference.
Thanks

$1/hour is too cheap IMHO. You may be able to find that, but what skills will that person have and will they want to stay with you. Also, are they working for 6 people at $1/hour each. You never know, and if they're too cheap, I think you'd be setting up for a real problem.

sounds risky imo...

Unless it isnt a a type of business that is "steal-able" I guess it could work.
But most businesses are tied to paypal, or some kind of payment system...
Would not want some kid in Philipenes with that kind of access

I stopped outsourcing because it destroys the economy of your own country. If your sending your money out of your country, then your economy looses that money and suffers. May not seem like a big deal, but the over all effect is why you've noticed your sales tapering off over the last few years.

Another thing I noticed was different cultures have different customer service expectations and routines.

I'm not putting anyone down here, but when I outsourced to India, I commonly found that they weren't able to understand the US customer service requirements. There were exceptions though. I guess people form India aren't quite as spoiled as us Americans...

sort of related... sort of tangential, what wage would qualify as "fair trade" in the Philippines? thx

I am a member as of a month ago. It took me a few weeks to narrow my choice down to one guy and he seems to be doing pretty well so far. The critical characteristic (per John Jonas) is to choose someone who speaks and writes EXCELLENT English. Everything else can be taught. Of course, the 'everything else' part is on my shoulders or the resources I have to give my freelancer. We shall see how this works out in the future.

The Philippines and areas of the South East are fantastic for outsourcing

I've outsourced a lot to people in the Philippines and many other countries and here are some tips of how to make it work:

1. Spend a lot of time trying to find and hire the best person. Spend lots of time testing them before you hire them.
2. Try lots of places for finding the people like odesk or hire online like in the Philippines there are lots of job web sites like gopinoy.com and bestjobs.ph
3. Use software like Time Doctor to manage the people so that you know what they are really doing and know they are working. It records what websites they visited, how much time they worked
4. If the person doesn't work out for you, let go of them straight away, make sure they are getting work done
5. You can pay them lots of different ways, but ikobo works pretty well as well as paypal.

The main thing is spending the time to recruit and hire the right people

Have any of you noticed that John Jonas added VIDEOS to OnlineJobs.ph so that job candidates can actually pitch themselves? This is so cool. What a great way to access English skills.

Here's one of the videos (you don't need to be a member to see this):
Video pitch of candidate with amazing english

I hope it shows you just how good the English can be in the Philippines.

I don't outsource anything outside my home because
it destroys my home economy.

By producing everything inside my home I ensure
100% employment and maximum economical
development for me and my dogs.

Read: Mercantilism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tyrus

I really don't worry about which country I outsource too, but focus on just finding someone good - I don't care where they are from. I have had work done by people in the countless places across the globe including India, Romania, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, United Arab Emirates, Pakistan and many other places.

I just look for the right person to do the job. Admittedly there are countries that do tend to produce better results, but I never know where I will end up finding someone.

There's very little you can't outsource effectively if you put your mind to it, it just takes a lot of time setting up instructions, doing training and finding the right people, but ultimately it frees up more and more of your time, allows your business to produce a lot more, and allows you to scale.

I should say Filipino workers are world class workers