A Debt I Can Never Repay

by Steven Wagenheim 24 replies
I'll make this short and to the point.

I have learned more in the last 2 days, because of this forum, than I think
I have learned in the last 3 years.

I want to personally thank:

Chris Rempel
Dean Shainin
Andrew Cavanagh
Magic Mel
Nicola Lane
Terry Hatfield
Ernie Lonardo
Mike Benkovich (needed that kick in the butt)
JayXtreme
Jeff Smith

I have never been ashamed to admit when I didn't know something.

I've been so used to doing things myself my whole life that I never
really took the time to figure out how to get help from others. It just
was never a priority for me. Possibly my mother telling me everyday
that if you want something done you have to do it yourself.

After a while, you start to believe it.

Anyway, thank you to all who gave me advice, knowledge and a good
kick in the pants when I needed it.

Today, I grew 100% as a marketer and a businessman.

And I am sure my income will follow.

Lesson to all...Don't ever think you know it all.

You don't.
#main internet marketing discussion forum #debt #repay
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  • A very true statement, we can all learn from others,life is learning is a process we can do from the time we are children till we are 100 years old.
    Do you ever notice great musicians, become better after age 50 and the reason why is they grew, became more mature and knew not only how to play music better, but how to respond to people who listen in the audience. In other words they play to the crowd and give them what they want to hear with a gift that comes from thier heart as they sing. Great singers and musicans can feel the moving of the crowd and the peoples hearts as they reach out with their own heart to touch the lives of those present.
    This secret is one I learned a few years ago, to be great at selling , we must reach out and touch other people, the same way we want our own hearts and lives touched by others who come to influence us.
    People want to be enriched, just as we want to be enriched by the people we meet in our own lives.
    So what am I saying.....well simply if I am selling an e-book, I want to be sure this ebook is worthy of information , that I myself need and use in my own life, the product I sell must be of value to me, and if it is, then it is of value to others. And there lies the truth of great selling. Treat people as you want to be treated,and if you do so in truth you'll truely will grow.
    In this world we all need help,...yet just think ,....without friends teaching and showing us the way. Then what good is life , even with all it's silver,gold and money in the world, friends are more important.
    Living life to the fullest is the key !!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Cash Blasters Online View Post

      A very true statement, we can all learn from others,life is learning is a process we can do from the time we are children till we are 100 years old.
      Do you ever notice great musicians, become better after age 50 and the reason why is they grew, became more mature and knew not only how to play music better, but how to respond to people who listen in the audience. In other words they play to the crowd and give them what they to hear with a gift that comes from thier heart as they sing. Great singers and musicans can feel the moving of the crowd and the peoples hearts as they reach out with their own heart to touch the lives of those present.
      This secret is one I learned a few years ago, to be great at selling , we must reach out and touch other people, the same way we want our own hearts and lives touched by others who come to influence us.
      People want to be enriched, just as we want to be enriched by the people we meet in our own lives.
      So what am I saying.....well simply if I am selling an e-book, I want to be sure this ebook is worthy of information , that I myself need and use in my own life, the product I sell must be of value to me, and if it is, then it is of value to others. And there lies the truth of great selling. Treat people as you want to be treated,and if you do so 9in truth you'll truely will grow.
      In this world we all need help,...yet just think ,....without friends teaching and showing us the way. Then what good is life , even with all it's silver,gold and money in the world, friends are more important.
      Living life to the fullest is the key !!

      Did somebody mention that I was a musician? What you said is so true.

      Thanks for reminding me.
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      • Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Did somebody mention that I was a musician? What you said is so true.

        Thanks for reminding me.
        Hi I had no idea, that you played an instrument, what kind of music do you play and which instrument?
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Cash Blasters Online View Post

          Hi I had no idea, that you played an instrument, what kind of music do you play and which instrument?
          I'm basically a composer. I also play keyboards, guitar and drums.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcus Paul
    This forum is invaluable for gold nuggets of wisdom! I would run out of room in this box thanking everyone....
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Right on Steve..

    Looking back over those posts some of us made you can see... just how much respect you have around here dude.. we all wanted to give you our perspective and hope it helped..

    Keep rockin Steve...

    Move one of your products onto RAP and I'll give it some air play

    Peace

    Jay
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      Right on Steve..

      Looking back over those posts some of us made you can see... just how much respect you have around here dude.. we all wanted to give you our perspective and hope it helped..

      Keep rockin Steve...

      Move one of your products onto RAP and I'll give it some air play

      Peace

      Jay
      Jay don't worry, when I'm done putting this together, you'll be banging
      down my front door to get to it.

      I'm just warning you, I carry a loaded shotgun in my den.
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      • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Jay don't worry, when I'm done putting this together, you'll be banging
        down my front door to get to it.

        I'm just warning you, I carry a loaded shotgun in my den.
        Now that's a positive outlook I like to see...

        Peace

        Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    No problem Steve...you have helped so many people on this board, and I admit it was a little surprising to see that you needed help from us for a change he he

    You showed what makes a true warrior and if you implement the advice given in your other thread, your business will grow even more, because getting more affiliates can only be a good thing.

    Every thread you make here is valuable and some may quince at your long threads, but me?.....I love em.

    There isn't anything quite like having a nice cup of coffee and sitting down and reading a Steve W thread

    PS: Good luck with the new product you plan on making, but I have no doubt that will be a success.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      No problem Steve...you have helped so many people on this board, and I admit it was a little surprising to see that you needed help from us for a change he he

      You showed what makes a true warrior and if you implement the advice given in your other thread, your business will grow even more, because getting more affiliates can only be a good thing.

      Every thread you make here is valuable and some may quince at your long threads, but me?.....I love em.

      There isn't anything quite like having a nice cup of coffee and sitting down and reading a Steve W thread

      PS: Good luck with the new product you plan on making, but I have no doubt that will be a success.

      Ernie, some people would say that it's a miracle that I'm as successful
      as I am with the quirky business model that I have.

      Think about what I do. I spend most of my time writing, not promoting,
      spend almost nothing on advertising and have NO affiliates.

      Talk about doing things the hard way.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Ernie, some people would say that it's a miracle that I'm as successful
        as I am with the quirky business model that I have.

        Think about what I do. I spend most of my time writing, not promoting,
        spend almost nothing on advertising and have NO affiliates.

        Talk about doing things the hard way.
        Because you have worked hard to get to the position your in, (steady income) your now in a perfect position to seek out other avenues and expand your business.

        Based on what I know about your current business model I know you can triple or more your revenue.

        Frank Bruno
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Frank Bruno View Post

          Because you have worked hard to get to the position your in, (steady income) your now in a perfect position to seek out other avenues and expand your business.

          Based on what I know about your current business model I know you can triple or more your revenue.

          Frank Bruno
          Frank, you're right. And if I wasn't so damn lazy (to get out of my comfort
          zone) I would have done it a long time ago. Well, I'm finally done with this
          business model that's only gotten me so far. I know what I have to do
          and I'm going to do it. My target date is sometime in 2009 to have
          everything in place.
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          • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
            Steven

            It's not uncommon for you to have these revelations and despite your obvious stubborn streak you do have the capability to listen to others, accept that you can be wrong and apparently change your ways.

            But as a witness to your business model via this forum and with the caveat that I don't really know you, I'm going to guess that you may just make a meal out of changing your ways. I know I may be wrong, but you appear to repeat this pattern of behaviour reasonably regularly.

            Can I suggest something? Get yourself a coach. A real good one that you'll have to pay a ton of money to.

            I get the impression that you like to go it alone Steven. However, if you really want to implement the change that should bring you the rewards you and your family deserve, then let go a bit and allow a coach to crawl all over your business and the two of you can develop a real solid strategy that will get you to where you want to go a lot faster and probably require a lot less work.

            Peter
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by Peter Bestel View Post

              Steven

              It's not uncommon for you to have these revelations and despite your obvious stubborn streak you do have the capability to listen to others, accept that you can be wrong and apparently change your ways.

              But as a witness to your business model via this forum and with the caveat that I don't really know you, I'm going to guess that you may just make a meal out of changing your ways. I know I may be wrong, but you appear to repeat this pattern of behaviour reasonably regularly.

              Can I suggest something? Get yourself a coach. A real good one that you'll have to pay a ton of money to.

              I get the impression that you like to go it alone Steven. However, if you really want to implement the change that should bring you the rewards you and your family deserve, then let go a bit and allow a coach to crawl all over your business and the two of you can develop a real solid strategy that will get you to where you want to go a lot faster and probably require a lot less work.

              Peter
              Peter thanks for the suggestion, but believe it or not, I know what I have
              to do. My problem until now has been pure laziness. Yes, sometimes going
              out and getting affiliates and doing things by the book, while actually
              saving time, is more work for somebody who doesn't like to put his trust
              in others. It's going outside of your comfort zone. It's a lot easier to just
              do it your way, especially if it works.

              Trust me, I've got it covered and my next product, and my first really
              true launch, is going to be done by the book, by the numbers and as
              flawless as humanly possible.

              And that launch will finally put me in the position where I never have to
              rely on myself again.

              But it all comes down to the product my friend. It has to be rock solid, or
              I will destroy my reputation and any chance I will have of ever getting
              assistance from others again.

              So that's step one and I'm working on it now.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Ernie, some people would say that it's a miracle that I'm as successful
        as I am with the quirky business model that I have.

        Think about what I do. I spend most of my time writing, not promoting,
        spend almost nothing on advertising and have NO affiliates.

        Talk about doing things the hard way.

        Hi Steven,

        This business model doesn't sound that bad too me!

        Just think of all the people that rely on affiliates to make money online, and you know that you do it ALL yourself!

        That's about as solid as you can get as you know you will always be alright!

        Now that's what I call being SELF - employed!

        Wishing you more success,

        Chris
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

          Hi Steven,

          This business model doesn't sound that bad too me!

          Just think of all the people that rely on affiliates to make money online, and you know that you do it ALL yourself!

          That's about as solid as you can get as you know you will always be alright!

          Now that's what I call being SELF - employed!

          Wishing you more success,

          Chris
          Chris, I'd rather have the affiliates...it would be a whole lot easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leanne King
    Good on you Steve! I think every day of my life I learn something new about myself and usually it is by listening to other people. Not only have you listened to what other warriors told you - you have changed your perspective and business model as well.

    All the best for that target date of 2009!

    Leanne
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  • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
    I couldn't have said it better myself. I set a goal every day to learn just one thing from this forum, and I usually end up learning 5-10 per new things per day. Not to mentioning sharpening the knowledge in a wide variety of IM topics I already am familiar with.

    I spoke with a friend of mine today who attended a free IM seminar the other day. You know, the kind they advertise for free...and the kicker was a $3400 backend service to have them "do it" for you.

    I couldn't believe the stuff he was telling me that was entirely new to him but was such basic stuff. But everyone has to start somewhere, and I just tell people to visit them forum every day for a few years and they will get a college education (actually better) in internet marketing.

    so thanks for all your contributions Steve. My sister is starting to do some article writing and some of your posts on that topic came in handy.
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    This forum has been a wealth of information for me as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
    I am still amazed that I was able to offer any help to Steven!

    I have recieved so much help from him already - just by reading his posts.

    Steven exemplifies the very best of this forum - long my he continue.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Nicola Lane View Post

      I am still amazed that I was able to offer any help to Steven!

      I have recieved so much help from him already - just by reading his posts.

      Steven exemplifies the very best of this forum - long my he continue.
      Nicola, I learn from everybody...even my 20 year old daughter. The day I
      think I know everything is the day that I am in serious trouble.

      What many people don't seem to get, even though I try to tell them this
      everyday, is that I am just a regular guy. The only reason I am as successful
      as I am is because I work very hard. If I had a little more brains, I might not
      have to work quite as hard and may actually be doing better than I am.

      But that's all going to change very soon. I know what I have to do, I'm
      going to do it and by this time next year, I'll finally be where I should have
      been 3 years ago.

      For some of us, it just takes longer than others.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    Good for you Steve,

    Having affiliates will surely bring you much better returns for your efforts. Going it alone only scales so well, so far. To grow, you need a sales force getting the word out. Let me know when you launch!

    TomG.
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  • Profile picture of the author imafaccy
    We learn everyday. Its good thinking that you'd tahnk those that helped you. Attitudes like that will always keep you on top. stay blessed.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheMagicShow
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    I'll make this short and to the point.

    I have learned more in the last 2 days, because of this forum, than I think
    I have learned in the last 3 years.

    I want to personally thank:

    Chris Rempel
    Dean Shainin
    Andrew Cavanagh
    Magic Mel
    Nicola Lane
    Terry Hatfield
    Ernie Lonardo
    Mike Benkovich (needed that kick in the butt)
    JayXtreme
    Jeff Smith

    I have never been ashamed to admit when I didn't know something.

    I've been so used to doing things myself my whole life that I never
    really took the time to figure out how to get help from others. It just
    was never a priority for me. Possibly my mother telling me everyday
    that if you want something done you have to do it yourself.

    After a while, you start to believe it.

    Anyway, thank you to all who gave me advice, knowledge and a good
    kick in the pants when I needed it.

    Today, I grew 100% as a marketer and a businessman.

    And I am sure my income will follow.

    Lesson to all...Don't ever think you know it all.

    You don't.
    You are 100% welcome Steven, this forum has helped all of us and I just wanted to give some friendly advice that I knew would help you look at the matter from a different angle.
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    " You can either give a man a fish and feed him for a day OR teach him how to catch a fish and it will feed him for a lifetime"

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