Affiliates, which systems are you happy with?

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Hi

Just researching for future product development.

If you are an affiliate, promoting other vendors' products you mainly have a choice of;

1. ClickBank/PayDotCom Based Products - Paid via the solution hoster. You will have to wait for your money but know that it will arrive on time.

2. RAPS/7 Dollar Script Style Sites - Instant payment, on every other sale etc.

3. Traditional, Vendor Hosted Affiliate system - You have a running account of sales made throughout the month and after a certain period, (30 days etc) are paid by the vendor.

Is everyone happy with all 3 systems and if not, for what reason?

Many thanks in advance for everyone's feedback.

David
#affiliates #happy #systems
  • Profile picture of the author eholmlund
    1) Yes happy with CB. I like PDC too, but it doesn't fit in category #1, because the vendors pay you directly, and I've had problems getting paid by a few in the past.

    2) I used to like these, but not a big fan anymore. Refunds and customer service can be a pain.

    3) Just depends on the vendor. Some of my best paychecks come from vendor hosted aff programs, but I've also been ripped off by a few, so it's best to find out if they're reputable before promoting.
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    • Profile picture of the author sandraworsely
      Originally Posted by eholmlund View Post

      1) Yes happy with CB. I like PDC too, but it doesn't fit in category #1, because the vendors pay you directly, and I've had problems getting paid by a few in the past.

      2) I used to like these, but not a big fan anymore. Refunds and customer service can be a pain.

      3) Just depends on the vendor. Some of my best paychecks come from vendor hosted aff programs, but I've also been ripped off by a few, so it's best to find out if they're reputable before promoting.

      It's really been a nice option with a great reason of course...
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    • Profile picture of the author David Allen
      Originally Posted by eholmlund View Post

      1) Yes happy with CB. I like PDC too, but it doesn't fit in category #1, because the vendors pay you directly, and I've had problems getting paid by a few in the past.

      2) I used to like these, but not a big fan anymore. Refunds and customer service can be a pain.

      3) Just depends on the vendor. Some of my best paychecks come from vendor hosted aff programs, but I've also been ripped off by a few, so it's best to find out if they're reputable before promoting.
      You are correct Eric, yes I forgot that vendors have to manually do their "mass pay" at PDC.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
    There's another option, which will be available from tomorrow.

    I will be announcing the release of DigiResults which offers the "best of both" and does away with the conventional problems listed above.

    It's a hosted solution (like Clickbank) so everyone gets paid. Affiliates don't have to worry about non-paying vendors.

    There is no waiting for your money, everyone gets directly to their PayPal account at time of sale (in the correct proportion). So unlike RAP/7DS where, for a 50% commission, you receive every other sale. With DigiResults both vendor and affiliate receive 50% of each sale.

    But unlike with RAP/7DS affiliate's PayPal addresses are never displayed to the customer (only the vendor's) so affiliates never have to deal with support.

    You really will be able to have your cake and eat it too
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    • Profile picture of the author magnates
      I prefer clickbank only .

      the others just don't cut it for me

      You want to ensure that you get paid and you don't have to worry about refunds or when the vendor is really going to pay you
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    • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
      Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher View Post

      There's another option, which will be available from tomorrow.

      I will be announcing the release of DigiResults which offers the "best of both" and does away with the conventional problems listed above.

      It's a hosted solution (like Clickbank) so everyone gets paid. Affiliates don't have to worry about non-paying vendors.

      There is no waiting for your money, everyone gets directly to their PayPal account at time of sale (in the correct proportion). So unlike RAP/7DS where, for a 50% commission, you receive every other sale. With DigiResults both vendor and affiliate receive 50% of each sale.

      But unlike with RAP/7DS affiliate's PayPal addresses are never displayed to the customer (only the vendor's) so affiliates never have to deal with support.

      You really will be able to have your cake and eat it too
      Very nice. How will refunds be handled?
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      • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
        Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

        Very nice. How will refunds be handled?
        When you join the DigiResults network you grant DigiResults refund access to your PayPal account for transactions we process. We then make this ability available to the vendor. So when your customer requests a refund, you click the button and the money is returned from both vendor and affiliate accounts (and we refund our fees).

        So the vendor is in control of the refund and doesn't have to worry about an affiliate not honouring it.

        To begin with we are requiring all vendors offer a 60 day refund period like Clickbank but that may change in the future depending on demand.

        Let me send a lead...and let me get paid on all future purchases. This is where affiliate programs like Infusionsoft and Nanacast thrive.
        We will take care of this as well, so vendors can offer full backend commission as well.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
          Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher View Post

          When you join the DigiResults network you grant DigiResults refund access to your PayPal account for transactions we process. We then make this ability available to the vendor. So when your customer requests a refund, you click the button and the money is returned from both vendor and affiliate accounts (and we refund our fees).

          So the vendor is in control of the refund and doesn't have to worry about an affiliate not honouring it.

          To begin with we are requiring all vendors offer a 60 day refund period like Clickbank but that may change in the future depending on demand.



          We will take care of this as well, so vendors can offer full backend commission as well.
          So, since I never see the affiliate's half, I'm assuming I have no 1099 worries, right?
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          • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
            Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

            So, since I never see the affiliate's half, I'm assuming I have no 1099 worries, right?
            Truthfully. I don't know. I have an accountancy and legal firm working on this but so far the answers I've received are "There shouldn't be a problem but this is pretty ground breaking stuff, so no one has really set a precedent yet."

            I encourage everyone to do their due diligence and not to take accounting/legal advice from a forum or from the network itself.

            Obviously long term we will establish our own precedent and make sure this is taken care of one way or another. But I want to be honest from the outset so everyone knows where they stand
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  • Profile picture of the author Roey Pimentel
    On a conceptual level, I like choice #2. However, after reading Andy's reply, my answer may be changed :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
    I like CB and sell my one products through payapl.

    PDC just does not cut it ... in fact these days it seems to be floundering

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    As an affiliate, I don't care since I don't blindly promote any business without researching thoroughly. There's only one thing I care about....

    A global affiliate program.

    Let me send a lead...and let me get paid on all future purchases. This is where affiliate programs like Infusionsoft and Nanacast thrive.
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

      A global affiliate program.

      Let me send a lead...and let me get paid on all future purchases.
      If the vendor has Paul Myers' latest product you can be paid on all future purchases (CB, RAP etc.) just by sending a lead.

      It's the first thing on my to-do list to implement it!
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      • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
        Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

        If the vendor has Paul Myers' latest product you can be paid on all future purchases (CB, RAP etc.) just by sending a lead.

        It's the first thing on my to-do list to implement it!
        Which product is that?
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        • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
          Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher View Post

          Which product is that?
          The BEAST

          (no, it's not a joke, that's the name of it: "Blog and Email Affiliate SysTem".
          the link was sent out to his customers first... I guess I am not supposed to post an affiliate link here )
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      • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
        Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

        If the vendor has Paul Myers' latest product you can be paid on all future purchases (CB, RAP etc.) just by sending a lead.

        It's the first thing on my to-do list to implement it!
        Guess what...I own it. It's a superb system that i will also be implementing. Thanks, Istvan.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slade556
    There are advantages to all of them. I love the credibility that the big companies provide like Clickbank. I know Clickbank has its issues and a lot of people are against it but I have been paid on time every time. The peace of mind is nice to have. RAP is also great because of the instant payment. I guess lowest on the totem pole for me is private affiliate programs because there is a much greater risk you won't get paid at all (especially when you first start promoting their products). Still, some of those have paid me very lucratively over the years.
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  • Profile picture of the author Not So New
    I really enjoy the Clickbank model ... Get paid like clock work. No issues

    Sid
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  • Profile picture of the author David Allen
    Many thanks for all the replies. It seems that no one system is perfect, different people prefer different systems.

    As was mentioned by Eric, the main concern is the vendor's reputation for which there is no accounting for in a system.

    Paul's new product sounds good and I look forward to seeing what Andy's DigiResults brings to the table.

    To be honest, I like the fact that with RAPS/7DS you get paid straight away but I have always been wary of the fact that I could get a refund request at any time and so the money gets "sandboxed" within PayPal until I am happy that the refund period is over.

    As a seller Clickbank is a great system but as an affiliate is open to hijacked sales.

    Again, thanks for your input. As a vendor it's important to know what makes affiliates happy and eager to promote.

    David
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  • Profile picture of the author dcyberpunk
    I like ClickBank for both Vendors and Affiliates, it's simple, safe and very one gets paid.
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  • Profile picture of the author TechGuy1
    The best affiliates from my point of view is Clickbank. I am using this this for last 3 years and it helps to make good money. All the Best
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  • Profile picture of the author SamuelJ
    Originally Posted by David Allen View Post

    Hi

    Just researching for future product development.

    If you are an affiliate, promoting other vendors' products you mainly have a choice of;

    1. ClickBank/PayDotCom Based Products - Paid via the solution hoster. You will have to wait for your money but know that it will arrive on time.

    2. RAPS/7 Dollar Script Style Sites - Instant payment, on every other sale etc.

    3. Traditional, Vendor Hosted Affiliate system - You have a running account of sales made throughout the month and after a certain period, (30 days etc) are paid by the vendor.

    Is everyone happy with all 3 systems and if not, for what reason?

    Many thanks in advance for everyone's feedback.

    David
    For's and against's for all I think..

    Some of the better tracking systems like nanacast are
    vendor controlled and that depends on the vendor. If they
    are slack vendor do you really want to be promoting them
    anyway???

    Some times the vendor ones are the best because you can
    find things that not many poeple know about which gives you
    an advantage.

    I have also approached vendors without a program that have
    affiliateable products and setup systems for them (paid of
    course) then promote as a sole affiliate with a higher than
    usual commision.

    Networks are easy to use and go for quick finds though some
    pay slower than vendors and don't track properly.

    Tip - If a program has a vendor run program and the same one
    on a network, test both (But dont double dip!) I have found up
    to 20% difference in profit just because one or the other wasn't
    tracking properly.

    As some have said CB is open to theft so I don't use it for any
    IM related products.

    On the flip side if you are a vendor I use and love nanacast it is
    so powerful and has tracking second to none that stops affiliate
    theft, handles product delivery, memberships, upsells downsells
    and much more (No Josh Anderson didn't pay me to say that ;-) )
    It seriously rocks for both vendor and affiliates.
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    • Profile picture of the author rohnsmith
      I do not know if you have already used this or not. But affiliate program from ebay is really good. I Give you example of ebay because it mostly includes all the products ... I like custom affiliate program developed by its own management
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  • Profile picture of the author EdgeStorm
    1- Clickbank - Not happy with tracking but happy with the consistent payout, a.k.a reliable payments to my bank account

    2- RAP - Very happy with the instant commissions! :-) Payments reliable, definitely. Can count on fast cash.
    But not happy when vendor does not properly take care of the customer service. Instead customers come to us affiliates even though we have nothing to do with the after-sale.

    3 - Very wary of such systems due to probability of cheating by the vendor (so many cases already)
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  • Profile picture of the author taylormarek
    Clickbank works fine for me, when I've actually generated a sale from it. The first time I got a check I literally ran around the house screaming like an excited kid.

    2Checkout also has a nifty built-in affiliate program. It works and pays out on a weekly basis via bank account or check.

    I'd also choose Premiumcast for an affiliate program. They do pretty well at that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
    Hi Andy,

    I've just heard about DigiResults (was going to buy RAP, but Eric Holdmund's take on customer support and refunds is my concern), so I may be with DigiResults in 2011.

    Just a question, can affiliates receives payments on other products in my funnel (not 100% like the front end though)?

    Regards.
    Franck

    PS. I was just reading the vendor page, and I must way: Wow. I will not have to remove the product form clickbank. Awesome!
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    • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
      Originally Posted by aboutalhah View Post

      Hi Andy,

      I've just heard about DigiResults (was going to buy RAP, but Eric Holdmund's take on customer support and refunds is my concern), so I may be with DigiResults in 2011.

      Just a question, can affiliates receives payments on other products in my funnel (not 100% like the front end though)?

      Regards.
      Franck

      PS. I was just reading the vendor page, and I must way: Wow. I will not have to remove the product form clickbank. Awesome!
      Hi Franck,

      Great to have you on board DigiResults.

      The cookies we drop work across all products you add. So they can drive traffic to any product and you can credit them for sales of any other. We have an upsell system in "feature test" atm, which is working very nicely.

      And yes, you can leave your product listed on Clickbank and "bridge" it into DigiResults so you just have the one sales page but the right affiliate always gets credit.

      Our aim is to make this an open network that plays well with others and does what you want, not what we want

      Cheers,

      Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author nakkihillo
    I like CB because they make the vendors pay if you made a sale. There like a big brother
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    • Profile picture of the author EnlightenMind
      Originally Posted by nakkihillo View Post

      I like CB because they make the vendors pay if you made a sale. There like a big brother
      The only thing about Clickbank is you have to meet their CDR -- customer distribution requirement which requires transactions from 5 unique business cards. It may not be a problem for experienced marketer but could be a big problem for someone starting out.


      Milton
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  • Profile picture of the author zenmarketing
    I'm a CB kinda guy.
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