Will your outsource army steal your ideas?

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when you're outsourcing, don't you think that your army might still your ideas then they'll make money for their own and not getting your job again?

I want to outsource but this stealing ideas issue makes me think twice.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    In most cases no...

    Your outsourcers are outsourceers, because in most cases they are too intimidated to do for themselves...

    And many outsourcers live with the employee mindset, and employees typically don't go rocking the boat that is full of gold that might come their way...


    p.s. If you worry about this too much, you will find yourself "paralyzed by over-analysis" of the negative of "what could go wrong"...
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    • Profile picture of the author waken
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      And many outsourcers live with the employee mindset, and employees typically don't go rocking the boat that is full of gold that might come their way...
      hehe.. true true..
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    • Profile picture of the author OnlineAlready
      Agreed completely here...

      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      In most cases no...

      Your outsourcers are outsourceers, because in most cases they are too intimidated to do for themselves...

      And many outsourcers live with the employee mindset, and employees typically don't go rocking the boat that is full of gold that might come their way...


      p.s. If you worry about this too much, you will find yourself "paralyzed by over-analysis" of the negative of "what could go wrong"...
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    • Profile picture of the author Luis Medilo
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      In most cases no...

      Your outsourcers are outsourceers, because in most cases they are too intimidated to do for themselves...

      And many outsourcers live with the employee mindset, and employees typically don't go rocking the boat that is full of gold that might come their way...


      p.s. If you worry about this too much, you will find yourself "paralyzed by over-analysis" of the negative of "what could go wrong"...
      I agree that most outsourcers (is this a word?) are just contented with being employed by someone. However, there are also marketers who accept outsourcing jobs from others. I, for one, have dry days of no money coming in so I look for quick jobs that will help me pay some of my bills. Although some people will say that it's better to write an article for myself and earn money from it, than write an article for another person, get paid for it, and that person will earn much more money than what they paid for that article.

      Based on my observations, people you hire may steal your ideas. I'm sure it's happening. Sometimes when someone hires me to write articles, I think "What if I use these keywords to build my own sites?" But I think it's a lazy way to make money, not to mention unethical. I'd rather work my @ss off looking for gold mine keywords than steal someone else's ideas. Makes me sleep better at night.

      Originally Posted by dru-man View Post

      I've also found that Filipino workers are not very likely to want to go out on their own, but I'm not an expert in their culture yet (moving there this month LOL so we'll see later)--not to mention there are many exceptions in such a populous country.
      Filipino here... LOL. The business environment here is not as sophisticated as in other countries. You have to consider the fact that Internet penetration here is very low compared to developed countries. Most people here have no idea what Internet marketing is all about. It's mostly the rich or tech savvy Filipinos who have an idea what online business is all about, and they're the ones who don't hesitate to buy something only or try to set up an online business. The most common form of business here is the small retail store or what we call here as "sari-sari" store. Hope you'll like our country of friendly and hospitable people. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author imon32red
    Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

    when you're outsourcing, don't you think that your army might still your ideas then they'll make money for their own and not getting your job again?

    I want to outsource but this stealing ideas issue makes me think twice.

    I am sure that plenty of people that I outsourced to would be happy to steal my ideas.

    What I do to prevent that is I split my work up between several people. None of them are in contact with each other. If they were they could bypass me and make more than I pay them. That is why I split the work up and hire people from all over the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author redfoxseo
      Originally Posted by imon32red View Post

      I am sure that plenty of people that I outsourced to would be happy to steal my ideas.

      What I do to prevent that is I split my work up between several people. None of them are in contact with each other. If they were they could bypass me and make more than I pay them. That is why I split the work up and hire people from all over the world.

      I agree. Don't put all your eggs in one basket so to speak.
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      • Profile picture of the author balilong
        your competitors might do that move regarding stealing or cloning your moves. But like they said nothing beats the original one compared to the second hand copy cat.
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      • Profile picture of the author davidjames42973
        If you're outsourcing your work in the United States, Canada, or India, the chances of someone taking your ideas and doing it themselves are greater than if you were to outsource in the Philippines.

        It seems that the majority of workers from the Philippines aren't the entrepreneur types.
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        • Profile picture of the author Geek3
          Originally Posted by davidjames42973 View Post

          If you're outsourcing your work in the United States, Canada, or India, the chances of someone taking your ideas and doing it themselves are greater than if you were to outsource in the Philippines.

          It seems that the majority of workers from the Philippines aren't the entrepreneur types.
          Phew... you don't know how glad I am to hear you say that.
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          • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
            Very very rarely. It's mostly a cultural thing, and I'm not talking about "respect" or any of that bogus stuff. I was really worried that my employees in China would copy my business model, but they don't strive to make money that way. They are more than happy to make whatever it is that they make. Also, do what the government does and split jobs up. If you are thinking of outsourcing, plan to hire 3 people and no less. Assign each individual jobs, and if you have an accountant, don't make them apart of the "team" directly.
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    • Profile picture of the author BloggerHigh
      Originally Posted by imon32red View Post

      I am sure that plenty of people that I outsourced to would be happy to steal my ideas.

      What I do to prevent that is I split my work up between several people. None of them are in contact with each other. If they were they could bypass me and make more than I pay them. That is why I split the work up and hire people from all over the world.
      This is the best approach. Alternatively, learn to code yourself!
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    Yes, I know I can't stand with this mindset anymore. Thaat's why I'm asking here, and thx for replying. LOL.

    So, if I want to outsource let's say SEO, to create linkwheels and bookmark , ping, and send rss of those web 2.0 properties.

    Will you let the whole process to be known and done by only 1 person? (I asking this because of 'idea stealing' isuse I ask here)...
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

      Yes, I know I can't stand with this mindset anymore. Thaat's why I'm asking here, and thx for replying. LOL.

      So, if I want to outsource let's say SEO, to create linkwheels and bookmark , ping, and send rss of those web 2.0 properties.

      Will you let the whole process to be known and done by only 1 person? (I asking this because of 'idea stealing' isuse I ask here)...
      It's not so much the fact that your ideas may be stolen that causes you to diversify your work across several people, it's more to ensure that the job gets done reliably and on time.

      Think about it this way - if all your work is given to just one person, what happens if they get sick, decide to quit or something else bad and unexpected happens?

      You want the work to go on, and by spreading it among several people you're minimizing the risk of untoward delays/issues occurring. You can usually have the others pick up the slack in case something happens with one of them.

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    • Profile picture of the author petevamp
      Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

      Yes, I know I can't stand with this mindset anymore. Thaat's why I'm asking here, and thx for replying. LOL.

      So, if I want to outsource let's say SEO, to create linkwheels and bookmark , ping, and send rss of those web 2.0 properties.

      Will you let the whole process to be known and done by only 1 person? (I asking this because of 'idea stealing' isuse I ask here)...
      Why would this be an issue of stealing your ideas. Search engine optimization should not be a concern. For one you want the one doing seo work on your site to also link to other keywords. They should be able to find you even better keywords then you already had in the first place. They also typically do not go looking at your site in most cases. They will just do as you want build you your web 2.0 pages with a little info. Build your link wheels with your given keywords. Bookmark your site with the keywords you have given them and so on. I would not pay someone to ping anything for you can do that your self in a matter of seconds. However it can take some time to build accounts at rss sites and so on so it could be a good idea to have someone do this and add your rss feeds for you. For the most part though this type of work shouldnt be a problem at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    While this is possible, the chances are remote. They probably won't understand your entire business model as you're not giving them the big picture in most cases, and furthermore the typical people you outsource to are just looking for a job and have an employee mindset.

    They don't want to take the risks necessary to become successful in IM. Typically there is a monetary as well as time investment needed to get any IM venture off the ground, and they're already working full time for you. I've found from experience that not many employees have the initiative and drive to start tinkering on a part-time project outside of work.

    You are worrying unnecessarily about this issue, and I'd say to just go ahead with your outsourcing venture instead of remaining mired in inaction.

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  • Profile picture of the author petevamp
    Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

    when you're outsourcing, don't you think that your army might still your ideas then they'll make money for their own and not getting your job again?

    I want to outsource but this stealing ideas issue makes me think twice.
    Depending upon what you are outsorcing this may be the case at times. However if you are outsourcing such things as graphics, articles, web designs and so on. Why would it matter if they use it some where else of there own. The content is still going to be different. You are still going to be the first to use it.

    On the other hand I have had a few pieces of software developed. This I did find where rebuilt and used again. Although it was done after I had mine up and running so most people will go to the first source then the one who coppied it.

    This is why it is a good idea to spread your work out amungst many workers and not just one. Doing so you protect your idea. Have one make the graphics another build the site design once you have the graphics. Have another do the copyrighting and so on but do not have one person do it all and you will be just fine. Besides that most people can not do it all in the first place so you are going to have to use many to outsource an entire idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author balilong
    out sourcing can be risky but eventually it just shows that your expanding. You will never know what skills and talents awaits you as you explore other places.
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    yes, OK I got the blueprint. thx guys.!
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  • Profile picture of the author aritrim
    If they are smart they will. Make the stuff better than you and push you out of the scene.
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  • Profile picture of the author jointaldc
    Don't assign all your work to just one outsource, send different work to different ones, I think someone covered that already
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    Yes, they will steal your ideas if you are not careful in making your choice of who you are outsourcing your jobs to. It is not an issue of being smart or not being smart. It's more of an issue of reputation. An evil man is evil in all his doings.

    However, if that will make you not to outsource then you have not started. Business is all about risk-taking. In fact, life as a whole is an issue of risk and nobody goes far or succeeds in life without taking some reasonable amount of risk.

    Just tell me one venture, business or action that does not involve risk and I will tell you that there's nothing on earth that is not risky.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
    Those who accept outsource jobs rarely have the time, or interest to pursue your ideas for their own. If you are paranoid though there are ways you can go about it to minize the risk such as

    1) split the project into small chunks, donĀ“t pass on the whole idea/project at once. Passing on the complete assignment in one go is in any case a bad idea because you can Never expect the outsourcee to grasp your plan and complete it as you envision in your head, no matter how many spreadsheets, graphic layouts and video demos you supply them with.. one step at a time with reporting back to you after each step.

    2) split the assignment between several suppliers. This has the additional boon of screening more suppliers.. makes it somewhat easier to filter out who is ok and who is great.

    Your gardener will probably not steal your apple seeds and try to grow his own prize apples (which demands time and might fail, easier to just tend your garden and cash the checks).

    Just go with the mindset that outsourcees have no time, energy or pirating interest in your project. Also be aware that outsourcing is not always a simple thing to do - you need to dedicate time and effort into managing the process strictly.
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  • Profile picture of the author mld_publishing
    I believe that most of my outsourcers have a passion for the type of work that I'm outsourcing to them and don't have the time or the interest in following in my footsteps and trying something new. I hire only people who do what they do full time and excel in their fields.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    What? How can you hire people that is not interested to follow your footsteps?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

      What? How can you hire people that is not interested to follow your footsteps?
      I'm not sure why you're obsessing so much over this. Just take the plunge and do it, as has been mentioned time and time again the majority of people you will be outsourcing to have the mindset of an employee - they want a job and not a business venture. If you keep thinking like this, you'll never be able to expand your business and you'll be in a continual state of analysis paralysis.

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    • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
      Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

      What? How can you hire people that is not interested to follow your footsteps?
      You hire people that are to perform a function. I would purposely Not hire people that wanted to follow in my footsteps.
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  • Profile picture of the author RonEdwin
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    There are plenty of Software companies that does 'Product Development' for other companies who don't have the expertise, and they certainly cannot steal the idea. They may have all the legal paper works signed before starting the work. So, fear not PM me I'll connect to you the Company that I trust the most.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slade556
    I was instructed very early on when I began to outsource that you give your workers specific tasks but not the keys to your entire business plan. In other words, if you narrow down what you need done very rarely will they need every bit of information. All that is needed is for them to know the exact task that needs to be done and nothing else. Once a history of trust has been established you can then use your reliable freelancers to do more tasks for your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
    I must CONFIRM, as I am speaking on behalf of Filipino outsourcing employees, we will not steal your ideas and your business. Why? Why we should bother. Filipinos does not enjoy the concept of risk, and in the first place, we dont have something to risk at all(resources)

    I would also like to clarify, what is this about the stealing thing? Is it not automatic that you will teach them and they will learn from you?

    And as far as I know, Filipino outsourcing employees knows how to give back what we received. Once we knew we are learning from you, we see it as an opportunity to be better in doing our jobs and never see it as an opportunity to take advantage of to set up our own business.

    Again, If your not comfortable doing it, dont do it.

    I just have questions:
    Whats your goal why you do outsourcing?
    Why do outsourcing, and yet you may free yourself from the actual doing of the tasks, but your worrying too much to the extent that you cant do your own?

    Things getting done by your outsourcing employees, while there are things left undone because you bother/worry too much(mostly core aspects of the business that you preferred doing by yourself) whats the outcome? There are still things that left undone. Sad. Bad for the business.

    I Hope we can come up with the solution to all of our trust issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    of course, I'm as an internet marketer have a lot more important task to do myself , that's why I do outsourcing, and beside I want to free up my time.

    That's why people do outsourcing.

    Which is better in your opinion guys, outsource per project or per month paying the employees?
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    • Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

      of course, I'm as an internet marketer have a lot more important task to do myself , that's why I do outsourcing, and beside I want to free up my time.

      That's why people do outsourcing.

      Which is better in your opinion guys, outsource per project or per month paying the employees?
      I do both--I have a regular employee who works full-time and then if I need something handled that doesn't fall under her or my expertise (or I'm too lazy to train or do it on my own), I find a service provider who does it well. If it gets to the point where I can keep them busy even half-time, I'll probably hire them and then have them take on some more work of mine to fill their schedule.

      As for not trusting outsourcers, don't worry about it for the reasons mentioned above. Most employees are employee-mindset and that is so much more than just something people say.

      I've even tried to tell people how to do what I do for themselves because I wanted to get rid of them--they didn't want to do it--they just wanted to work for me. When I finally fired them, I still gave them my entire business model to go try on their own, and they never went for it. Entrepreneurs are a unique bunch--don't ask me why.

      I've also found that Filipino workers are not very likely to want to go out on their own, but I'm not an expert in their culture yet (moving there this month LOL so we'll see later)--not to mention there are many exceptions in such a populous country.

      All that said, as mentioned by someone above, you should want people to have the desire to follow in your footsteps. If you're not hiring the very best at what they do because of fear, you're severely limiting your business. You should be hiring people who are better at what they do than you are and who are extremely ambitious, in my opinion.

      Is there a chance of losing them? Sure. Might they adapt, improve on, and use your ideas for themselves? Sure. Are they good for your business? Absolutely.

      Actually, I continually encourage my current VA to pursue her own business ideas. I regularly talk to her about businesses that would be good for her online, I've given her free hosting in my reseller account to dabble with, and I randomly give her ideas I think she should pursue if they come to me, even though it means I might lose her as an employee.

      If she took my business model and ran with it, I would be more than happy with that. I like to see people take control of their lives and better themselves.

      Just my take on the matter--good luck!

      Cheers,
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      • Profile picture of the author chrisbiz
        Originally Posted by dru-man View Post

        I do both--I have a regular employee who works full-time and then if I need something handled that doesn't fall under her or my expertise (or I'm too lazy to train or do it on my own), I find a service provider who does it well. If it gets to the point where I can keep them busy even half-time, I'll probably hire them and then have them take on some more work of mine to fill their schedule.

        As for not trusting outsourcers, don't worry about it for the reasons mentioned above. Most employees are employee-mindset and that is so much more than just something people say.

        I've even tried to tell people how to do what I do for themselves because I wanted to get rid of them--they didn't want to do it--they just wanted to work for me. When I finally fired them, I still gave them my entire business model to go try on their own, and they never went for it. Entrepreneurs are a unique bunch--don't ask me why.

        I've also found that Filipino workers are not very likely to want to go out on their own, but I'm not an expert in their culture yet (moving there this month LOL so we'll see later)--not to mention there are many exceptions in such a populous country.

        All that said, as mentioned by someone above, you should want people to have the desire to follow in your footsteps. If you're not hiring the very best at what they do because of fear, you're severely limiting your business. You should be hiring people who are better at what they do than you are and who are extremely ambitious, in my opinion.

        Is there a chance of losing them? Sure. Might they adapt, improve on, and use your ideas for themselves? Sure. Are they good for your business? Absolutely.

        Actually, I continually encourage my current VA to pursue her own business ideas. I regularly talk to her about businesses that would be good for her online, I've given her free hosting in my reseller account to dabble with, and I randomly give her ideas I think she should pursue if they come to me, even though it means I might lose her as an employee.

        If she took my business model and ran with it, I would be more than happy with that. I like to see people take control of their lives and better themselves.

        Just my take on the matter--good luck!

        Cheers,
        James

        hmmm... Im happy to hear people who are so open, willing to genuinely help, and trustful towards dealing with outsourcing service providers.

        You coming to the Philippines? you will absolutely be inlove with the Filipino people and culture.

        Goodluck to to you mate.

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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

      of course, I'm as an internet marketer have a lot more important task to do myself , that's why I do outsourcing, and beside I want to free up my time.

      That's why people do outsourcing.

      Which is better in your opinion guys, outsource per project or per month paying the employees?
      If you have sufficient work to outsource to a full-time employee, then that would be better as this will ultimately be cheaper in terms of what you'd pay per hour. In addition to that, having a full-time employee trained specifically by you to execute your project would be more reliable, as you wouldn't need to go out and find a new outsourcer every time you had a new project/task. You'd be dealing with a known entity, and you wouldn't have to waste time looking for a new outsourcer, interview and train them, monitor their progress, etc.

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  • Profile picture of the author Firstrate
    I've outsourced a lot of things and I've never had 1 issue like this.

    I'm sure it does happen but it must be VERY unlikely.
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  • Profile picture of the author domaininvestor
    Without marketing your idea will never see the light of day and most outsources aren't marketing gurus - if you're the champion your product you should be!
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    • Profile picture of the author All Night Cafe
      I think anyone here making say 5 figures a month
      will swear by outsourcing as the reason for making
      that amount.

      For myself, I couldn't do what I accomplishing each
      month if I didn't.

      If I worried about someone stealing my ideas, I
      would go crazy. If they are producing income for
      you, share a little something with them.

      They might work longer for you. It is a bitch always
      intervering new outsourcers.

      Get on with your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author jjnmconte4
    Outsourcing is tricky. But, you can't do all the work yourself. So you are forced to. The simple answer is that it is best to know who you are dealing with. You have to segregate your business into slices. Give the outsource resource only one slice of your business that is not indicative of your entire business model. Use several different outsource groups for different portions of your business. Ie; one for SEO, another for copywriting, another for PPC, a different one for content.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Well I saw this last night and I was a little surprised.technically as soon as you post the job to be done people can steal it. Will they well people are people there are apples in every bunch that are no good I guess it is kind of oxymoronic to ask if your worker will steal it -the one who is going to make some money off of you and maybe get more work out of it. or if the one's you don't hire would.

    Just my thoughts
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