Expert's Advice needed - Micro Niche Websites

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Hello Warriors,

I read at many places about Micro Niche Websites, meant for adsense. I never had any regular income monthly. Looking forward at this now.

I have researched some niches, but an advice from an expert would help me out.

Here are some of the exact names of domain and keyword which I found out. Right now it is available to register .

1. baseballtees.org Keyword - baseball tees 1,300 - exact US local monthly searches $1.23 - Average CPC

2. kidsbirthdaypartyinvitations.org Keyword - kids birthday party invitations 1,000 - exact US local monthly searches $1.18 - Average CPC

3. minniemouseinvitations.com Keyword - minnie mouse invitations 1,000 - exact US local monthly searches $1.05 - Average CPC

4. designat-shirt.net Keyword - design a t-shirt 2,900 - exact US local monthly searches $3.33 - Average CPC

5. collegegraduationgiftideas.org Keyword - college graduation gift ideas 1,000 - exact US local monthly searches $1.55 - Average CPC

Please analyze these in your own ways(I meant keyword selection, cpc, searches, etc.) and comment on all aspect which I need to further look in to while selecting. Am I going in the right direction in choosing the domains, keywords, etc. ? Advices from Warrior those who are in to Micro Niche Sites would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author cybergod
    Advice needed.

    Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
    You would have to check out the competition of the top 10 sites when you looked up those keywords without quotes on Google.

    Check the PR, backlinks, intitle, inurl, etc.

    Some of those keywords have very tough competition. I would recommend checking out your competition before picking any keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author cybergod
      Originally Posted by twigman1200 View Post

      You would have to check out the competition of the top 10 sites when you looked up those keywords without quotes on Google.

      Check the PR, backlinks, intitle, inurl, etc.

      Some of those keywords have very tough competition. I would recommend checking out your competition before picking any keywords.
      Yes I didnt check top 10 sites. I will check from now on.

      Good information, thanks...

      So if competition is also less for these keywords, should I select those domains??
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
    Here is what I do when searching for keywords (Just my method, it has been working for me ):

    1. Pick A Niche
    This can be anything you want. Usually I pick something that I am interested in. If not you can always pick a seasonal topic (Halloween, Christmas, etc.).

    2. What do people buy in the niche?
    You should be able to think of dozens and dozens of thing that people buy for that niche. If you can't, I would recommend not picking that niche. For example, if I were to pick Halloween. Things that people buy during halloween include: costumes, decorations, skeletons, pumpkins, outdoor decorations, indoor decorations, party ideas, etc.

    3. List of Keywords
    After you have a list of about 10-20 of things that people buy, I run them through Market Samurai so that I can get a giant list of a couple hundred keywords. I like at least 20 searches per day and less than 50000 competition when the keyword is in quotes. That should narrow down the list a bit.

    4. Check Results
    After I have a list of these keywords, I look them all up in Google. If the keyword has less then 500,000 results, I write it down on a piece of paper.

    5. Check Competition
    After my list has dwindled down even more, I check the competition for the 10 ten results. I like the average PR of the top ten sites to have an average of less than 2. I also like to have the top 3 sites have less than 100 backlinks each.

    6. Domains
    Now that you have a very small list of keywords, it is time to get some domains. I buy all the ones that have an exact match for either .com .org or .net (in that order). If there are not exact matches, I just add another word to the domain.


    Again, this is just my method for search for a keyword. There are many others you can choose from.

    Hope this helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author cybergod
      @ twigman1200

      Yes this will definitely help.

      I will check some niches and I will send you PM before registering the domain... Do reply that time also.

      Starting something new for me seems to be always difficult. Since you guys are helping me out, it wont be as difficult as I thought.

      One question?
      Have you ever tried this on .info domains??
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    For future reference - don't list domains that you intend to register unless you want to help somebody out. There are domainers and marketers that will snatch them up in a heartbeat.

    But on topic, what Twigman said was pretty accurate. Just because you have an EMD doesn't mean you'll automatically hit first page. Always be sure to check the competition.

    My competition criteria is simple - three of the top ten sites have to have PR of n/a, 0, or 1. The majority of the top ten have to have less than 50 backlinks. And the majority of the top ten have to be poorly optimized for the KW. You get those three criteria down and you build backlinks to the EMD, you should hit first page.
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    • Profile picture of the author cybergod
      Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

      For future reference - don't list domains that you intend to register unless you want to help somebody out. There are domainers and marketers that will snatch them up in a heartbeat.

      But on topic, what Twigman said was pretty accurate. Just because you have an EMD doesn't mean you'll automatically hit first page. Always be sure to check the competition.

      My competition criteria is simple - three of the top ten sites have to have PR of n/a, 0, or 1. The majority of the top ten have to have less than 50 backlinks. And the majority of the top ten have to be poorly optimized for the KW. You get those three criteria down and you build backlinks to the EMD, you should hit first page.
      I thought of that before posting this thread, but if I am not mentioning the domain, keyword you wont be able to analyze it. Here I made a mistake by not checking the top 10 results. Again I will post some more domain after checking top 10 result also. I just wanted to make sure these domains meets your criteria, so that I can work it out with other domains also. If I am able to show you 5 good domains which meet all conditions, it will boost my confidence for selecting other domains.

      Thanks Biggy Fat
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    • Profile picture of the author prodigaljoe
      Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

      My competition criteria is simple - three of the top ten sites have to have PR of n/a, 0, or 1. The majority of the top ten have to have less than 50 backlinks. And the majority of the top ten have to be poorly optimized for the KW. You get those three criteria down and you build backlinks to the EMD, you should hit first page.

      I have found many sites ranking for keywords that have a lot of backlinks and high PR but this does not mean the keyword is competitive. Check out what keywords are in their backlinks and on-site.

      Many times keywords look very competitive but when you take a close look they are just ranking because no one is actually targeting the keyword well. If the top 10 is full of sites with high backlink counts and high PRs don't be lazy. Check to see if those sites are even targeting the keyword. The top 10 could be wide open. You might just need a good relevant site and a handful of backlinks with that keyword to grab the #1 spot.

      I have so many examples of this in Profitable Niche Keywords which show a site in the #1 spot with only a few backlinks and the #2-#5 are high PR sites with tons of backlinks.
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      • Profile picture of the author cybergod
        Originally Posted by prodigaljoe View Post

        I have found many sites ranking for keywords that have a lot of backlinks and high PR but this does not mean the keyword is competitive. Check out what keywords are in their backlinks and on-site.

        Many times keywords look very competitive but when you take a close look they are just ranking because no one is actually targeting the keyword well. If the top 10 is full of sites with high backlink counts and high PRs don't be lazy. Check to see if those sites are even targeting the keyword. The top 10 could be wide open. You might just need a good relevant site and a handful of backlinks with that keyword to grab the #1 spot.

        I have so many examples of this in Profitable Niche Keywords which show a site in the #1 spot with only a few backlinks and the #2-#5 are high PR sites with tons of backlinks.
        Wow !! I never thought this way. Thats a good advice.
        Will check those things also in detail.

        Added this to my brain.
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        • Profile picture of the author cybergod
          @ webdango

          These "just my opinions" are valuable for me . I take things positively. Great points.

          So it means I have a lot of homework to be done. I have heard about adsense kicking these kinds of sites, but never tried. I will definitely PM you also my first niches before I go for the domains. You guys are great.

          Added these points also to my Brain.
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          • Profile picture of the author cybergod
            @ prodigaljoe

            Minnie Mouse domain

            It means domain selection should not contain company names and other names like these.

            will check this also from now on.

            @ timpane

            hhmm

            it seems like a spunned one... which matches one of the above post.

            Anyway thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author JRCarson
              Cybergod,

              I don't think anyone mentioned it...or they did and I'm on crack...again...but a good tool is to use the SEO Toolbar from seobook.com.

              It will show stats underneath each result on the Google page like PR, YLinks, etc...
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              • Profile picture of the author cybergod
                Originally Posted by JRCarson View Post

                Cybergod,

                I don't think anyone mentioned it...or they did and I'm on crack...again...but a good tool is to use the SEO Toolbar from seobook.com.

                It will show stats underneath each result on the Google page like PR, YLinks, etc...
                Thank You

                I have used this ones. Never used after that. Will download that now itself.

                I have also heard of seoquake, all says its a good one, need to check that also...
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                • Profile picture of the author cybergod
                  As said by Biggy Fat, many marketers are looking for snatching domains. I posted the domain which is below, which was available before posting.

                  kidsbirthdaypartyinvitations.org Now its no longer available.

                  So somebody found it useful, that's a great news for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdango
    Three main things:

    A keyword that you can monetize
    Low competition in the top 10
    Enough monthly searches to make it worthe the effort

    The onyl grey area here is number of searches. The keyword tool is very unreliable in my experience.

    Your goal should be to get in the top 3. The top 3 results get almost 70% of all clicks. If you can't get into the top 3, it's actually better to be 9 or 10, as they tend to get more clicks than 4 - 8.

    If you are going for Adsense, you are on the right track as far as determining a per-click value. But I also suggest you look for keyword that have related products or services that actually sell. Two main reason:

    You can now put an affilaite link along with the Adsense, which increase your chances of getting tagged and a MFA site

    If you ever get kicked from Adsense, you'll still have income from affilaite sales.

    Is there a product related to your keyword? Go to Amazon or Ebay and look.

    Lesson I learned: Don't bother building sites for cheap stuff, like invitations (or books). Someone shows up at you site, buys a box of invites for 9.99 and you maybe just made a dollar.

    Someone shows up at your site and buys a pair of Nike Pegasus running shoes for $99 and you maybe just made $10.

    Personally (and just my opinion) I wouldn't go after any of the domains you listed. Traffic to low, and no (or too cheap) related products.
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  • Profile picture of the author prodigaljoe
    Be careful registering certain domains. You can't use the name of products in your domain. A Minnie Mouse domain would get shut down.
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  • Profile picture of the author manwalksintoabar
    prodigaljoe

    How do you "check out what keywords are in their backlinks and on-site."

    Are you referring to the text in the link? Or the alt text?

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    • Profile picture of the author JRCarson
      Originally Posted by manwalksintoabar View Post

      prodigaljoe

      How do you "check out what keywords are in their backlinks and on-site."

      Are you referring to the text in the link? Or the alt text?

      mwiab
      I think he means the anchor text in the link. I use Market Samurai to check this type of stuff...
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  • Profile picture of the author prodigaljoe
    On-site is referring to their actual site. You check their words, links, alt, titles, h1 tags, etc.

    The backlinks are links pointing to the site. I use Market Samurai to check how many backlinks are pointing to a site and see which keywords are used in those text links. Then I check to see the PR of the pages linking back to the ranking page.
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    • Profile picture of the author manwalksintoabar
      Thanks prodigaljoe

      That helps a lot.

      I guess you are looking for a low PR average from the sites linking back??? Is that a PR1 and PR2?

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  • Profile picture of the author prodigaljoe
    It depends on the keyword, traffic, and how much work you want to do for a site. For adsense sites I would only target keywords with no competition. The reason is there is so little money to be made from niche adsense. The ctr is low and and the payout is low so I would not want to invest much time into ranking those. Plus, if you are using adsense it means you are targeting a niche that does not have a good product to sell for high commissions. So these niches should be easier anyways.

    If you are after keywords that target products that can make you more money then you can get the ctr very high and make nice earning per click with targeted traffic. If you know what you are doing then you can go after keywords with more competition.

    If you don't have experience ranking #1 for low competition keywords then I recommend targeting keywords where the top sites don't have any backlinks with the keyword in the anchor text. Overall you want to see few banklinks and low pr but the top sites always need to be analyzed to see if they are targeting the keyword.

    So basically... it depends on what you want to do and how well you know seo
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    • Profile picture of the author manwalksintoabar
      Great info. Thanks prodigaljoe. I just emailed you with a question. I didn't want to change the direction of this thread. I don't have enough messages to pm you.

      I am aiming at Amazon and not interested in Adsense.

      Thanks again.
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    • Profile picture of the author cybergod
      Originally Posted by prodigaljoe View Post

      It depends on the keyword, traffic, and how much work you want to do for a site. For adsense sites I would only target keywords with no competition. The reason is there is so little money to be made from niche adsense. The ctr is low and and the payout is low so I would not want to invest much time into ranking those. Plus, if you are using adsense it means you are targeting a niche that does not have a good product to sell for high commissions. So these niches should be easier anyways.

      If you are after keywords that target products that can make you more money then you can get the ctr very high and make nice earning per click with targeted traffic. If you know what you are doing then you can go after keywords with more competition.

      If you don't have experience ranking #1 for low competition keywords then I recommend targeting keywords where the top sites don't have any backlinks with the keyword in the anchor text. Overall you want to see few banklinks and low pr but the top sites always need to be analyzed to see if they are targeting the keyword.

      So basically... it depends on what you want to do and how well you know seo
      I am not having a regular monthly income right now. It seems to be more easy to start with adsense.

      I have a site which is in 1st page of google in 4th position, earning $1 a month. It doesnt have much visitors per day. I Bought this way back, had no idea how to work with that before. Since I earned $1, I have the confidence in starting more like that and earn more. Once after hitting small regular income from adsense, need to hit to affiliate products also. Though small, regular income will always keep anyone motivated.

      When saying about CTR after reading here and there I have found out simple and humble themes convert well compared to complex themes.

      Great points prodigaljoe

      Originally Posted by actionplanbiz View Post

      go with the baseball tees and sell amazon batting tee products. prolly make $30-$40 a month if your on the 1st page. can make more if your #1
      Yes I will soon enough go for that.

      Thanks actionplanbiz

      I have good knowledge on SEO, but never worked for my sites. I have been as lazy as a donkey. Need to leave that behind and have to move on.

      Thanks

      Originally Posted by manwalksintoabar View Post

      Great info. Thanks prodigaljoe. I just emailed you with a question. I didn't want to change the direction of this thread. I don't have enough messages to pm you.

      I am aiming at Amazon and not interested in Adsense.

      Thanks again.
      If possible, ask your doubts here itself, sometimes that may clear my doubts also. (Just a suggestion)

      Nice to hear that you too gained valuable information from this thread.

      Keep up the good work.

      Originally Posted by Amy Harrop View Post

      I find the free Cherry Picker software great (not sure where the link is, but I think you can do a search) for a fast easy way to check competition. It looks at PR and backlinks. Those aren't the only things to look at necessary but it helps.
      Originally Posted by manwalksintoabar View Post

      Thanks Amy. I just checked out Cherry Picker and if anyone interested, the link is

      CherryPicker - The World's Best Market Selection Software

      There is a good video as well.

      mwiab
      One more good software, will check it soon...

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Jean Clemens
        As already mentioned, I just want to recommend Market Samurai too.

        Great keyword research software and more.
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  • Profile picture of the author actionplanbiz
    go with the baseball tees and sell amazon batting tee products. prolly make $30-$40 a month if your on the 1st page. can make more if your #1
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  • Profile picture of the author Spencer Haws
    Hey there -
    I make a good chunk of change from micro niche adsense sites...that is my business! I will say that you are looking at the rights things. First, you are looking at the EXACT match number of searches, good job. I always focus on keywords that have at least 1000 searches per month. Secondly, I only look at keywords with a CPC of $1 or more - great job here. You have also found some good exact match domains.

    Now the critical factor for whether or not a keyword is a winner or not is the top 10 results in google (as has been stated). You can use the SEO for Firefox plugin (as has been mentioned) to look at the criteria.

    Some of the top criteria to look at is:
    Is the keyword in the title?
    Is the keyword in the domain?
    What is the PR of the page?
    How many backlinks to the page?
    How many backlinks to the site?
    Is the result a root domain or a sub directory (www . domain .com/subdirectory/resultpage.html)?

    There are several other factors, but those are critical.

    I just took a look at your first keyword, "baseball tees" and it looks like a good one. Here's why:
    The #1 result does not have the keyword in the title and has a PR of 0
    #4 is a shopping result with PR of 0 and NO backlinks to the page
    #8 is the exact match .net, and has NO backlinks to the page.
    There is other weaknesses in the top 10 results, but you get the idea.

    I would strongly consider doing this keyword. I didn't look at the others, but that should give you a quick guide of what to look at.

    Best of luck!!
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    • Profile picture of the author manwalksintoabar
      Thanks Amy. I just checked out Cherry Picker and if anyone interested, the link is

      CherryPicker - The World's Best Market Selection Software

      There is a good video as well.

      mwiab
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    • Profile picture of the author cybergod
      Originally Posted by The Redfox View Post

      Hey there -
      I make a good chunk of change from micro niche adsense sites...that is my business! I will say that you are looking at the rights things. First, you are looking at the EXACT match number of searches, good job. I always focus on keywords that have at least 1000 searches per month. Secondly, I only look at keywords with a CPC of $1 or more - great job here. You have also found some good exact match domains.

      Now the critical factor for whether or not a keyword is a winner or not is the top 10 results in google (as has been stated). You can use the SEO for Firefox plugin (as has been mentioned) to look at the criteria.

      Some of the top criteria to look at is:
      Is the keyword in the title?
      Is the keyword in the domain?
      What is the PR of the page?
      How many backlinks to the page?
      How many backlinks to the site?
      Is the result a root domain or a sub directory (www . domain .com/subdirectory/resultpage.html)?

      There are several other factors, but those are critical.

      I just took a look at your first keyword, "baseball tees" and it looks like a good one. Here's why:
      The #1 result does not have the keyword in the title and has a PR of 0
      #4 is a shopping result with PR of 0 and NO backlinks to the page
      #8 is the exact match .net, and has NO backlinks to the page.
      There is other weaknesses in the top 10 results, but you get the idea.

      I would strongly consider doing this keyword. I didn't look at the others, but that should give you a quick guide of what to look at.

      Best of luck!!
      Nice to hear that I am going in the right path.

      SEO for Firefox plugin has been installed.

      Nice to see that you analyzed "baseball tees" .
      I got the idea. Will check these factors.
      You are doing great man.
      Great information, saved to my Brains

      Thanks mate

      Originally Posted by misel View Post

      As already mentioned, I just want to recommend Market Samurai too.

      Great keyword research software and more.
      Low budget now, cant afford that now.

      Thanks buddy, let me hit some regular income and I will buy that too.
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