The Death Of ClickBank

i think CB is too big to die like this.

They will fix this problem. I hope

It won't be the death of Clickbank... simply because there is a constant flow of NEWBIE marketers who will find CB before they find IM forums where CB is bashed.... that's just one of the reasons.

It may not be the death of clickbank but they do need a good kick up the a$$.
It,s made me weary of using them.

In Australia we have a huge music festival called 'Big Day Out'. It sells out in 1 hour every year. This year the acts at the festival sucked, but it still sold out in 1 hour. Theyd have to have a fair few bad years for it to effect their sales.

Clickbank is MASSIVE and by far the largest company of its kind. For them to die someone would have to step in and have huge capital behind them.

Even with that it'd take a hell of a lot to sway everyone to move over. They are just too big. They have their brand and I just can't ever see that being crippled beyond repair.

big day out rocks

I remember another popular product that died a horrible death after some seriously bad publicity. It was called... hmmm... Ty... Ty-something.

Tylenol.

That's it.

Some of the major people on this forum are behind ClickBank. If history proves itself all will be to the benefit of Warriors that trust in this forum.

Jeffery 100% :-)

I doubt it will die out from this. But, it would be interesting and does raise a good question. Do you have all your eggs in the ClickBank basket?

I bet a lot of people on here use ClickBank to sell their product and/or promote the bulk of their products. If ClickBank did die today where would your business be?

OK, since I'm one of the newbies and I have no clue what problems ClickBank may or may not be having, I will just continue and not even ask. That's the same reason I don't watch the news. Because everytime I do, I start to pick up on all of the negativity.

I really do like this forum. Nice people and great info.


Shirley

CB NEVER PAID ME.. MISSED OUT ON MY SALES AND NEVER GAVE ME MY PERCENTAGE...

Some people need Clickbank for promos and BAN. So it will stay alive.

Marco

Clickbank has been notoriously slow to respond to serious issues regarding tracking over the years.

Think of the Spybot immunization fiasco, the anti cloaking hoplink update etc.

They have always treated those that support them the most (the affiliates) unfairly by not addressing serious tracking issues immediately and fixing the problems. They let them go for far too long until serious losses in tracked affiliate referrals caused their affiliates to raise a huge stink and force clickbank to act.

They are like a slow moving dinosaur.

They are also a huge target for internet security systems because of adware and the huge misconception among novice internet users that cookies are dangerous.

However, if I am not mistaken Clickbank has already recently improved their tracking issue to deal with the recent cookie only concerns?

At least that is what they have published... though they have not revealed exactly how and what they have done to address the issue... they are purposefully vague referring instead to "proprietary" adjustments to their tracking system.

What people should be more concerned about is whether the affiliate management system that they use to run their own affiliate program is only cookie based.

Additionally everyone in IM should be paying close attention to IE 8. It's coming and its trouble... just remember that when something does not need fixing MS is notorious for making it worse.

You should not just be worried about the anti cookie and over the top security features in IE 8 but also how other scripts you might be running could be effected by it. You may not be impacted... but you certainly should pay attention to the impact it can have on your business.

IMHO, I have never had a problem with CB and their tracking. I get paid every week like clockwork. Let's hope this continues.

Heh, reminds me of a quote I saw once:

If it ain't broke, fix it until it is!

well said- just put this into powerpoint and put it up in my office

if CB is so bad where else should i consider launching my first product?

Mr. Filsaime with his PDC should be smiling at the moment, and using all the bad press to get more customers. ;-)

Here in the UK, I saw a classic one a couple of weeks back. With all the bad news about banks, and banks being bailed out by the government, one of the banks, which is NOT being bailed out, ran a full 2 page add in ALL the newspapers: "Upgrade your banking now!"

Come on Mr. Filsaime, get your marketing muscle moving! ;-)

Thank goodness I run everything off my own FANTASOS, and this is not affecting my own sales. It IS affecting all the CB affiliate stuff I promote though, and it is turning out to be a huge chunk of my income!

Merchants get bashed but let me tell you, I haven't seen ANY change in the amount of sales on a percentage basis that my affiliates make to the sales I make.

Do Clickbank have problems? Probably.

Do the problems ONLY affect affiliates? No.

I just want them to QUICKLY address any and all issues, and ADMIT TO ISSUES WHEN THEY FIND THEM... Keep us all more informed. If they said "this is the problem and we are working to fix it" we'd all feel a whole lot better about them.

When I tried PDC it was absolutely RUBBISH, admittedly, they may have made improvements since then, I don't know - but that's one I definitely won't be switching to.

Clickbank have time and they WON'T die because there is still no serious, viable competition.

Everyone's dissing Clickbank like it's the new trend - but you're all missing one simple point:

They're number one because no-one's come along and done it better.

Everyone can whine about how crap they are but the fact is they are better than everyone else.

Putting an operation on that scale together is complex on a level that most people can't get their head around.

Everyone acts like CB is either lazy or immoral or something but its a bunch of bull.

They have some tech issues.

So does pretty much every major site on the planet when it comes to dealing with all the gamers, spammers and black hats out there - some of whom are incredibly accomplished - and are constantly seeking ways through the defenses.

Anyway I'm a firm believer that cream floats. All someone has to do is come up with a better system and the nature of the web, viral thing that it is, means that the new thing will rise to the top.

i am getting scared. Having a real bad strain of basically ZERO affiliate sales (2000 hops...no sale!)...and that CB CSR lady basically telling us "No, actually sales have increased" - which is in strong contrast to whatever affiliates complain about lately.

Yeah saw a notification about hoplink problems and that they have sorted it out, anyways its just a combination of things, make sure you diversify guys!!

I don't really think that Clickbank would just die like that. Clickbank is an internet marketing institution. But I hope Clickbank would not die like AIG or Lehman Brothers.

It could be a combination of economy and CB tracking issues. I just saw this on CNN this morning.

"Government reports retail sales plunged 2.8 percent in October, worst monthly drop since record keeping began in 1992."

John

Clickbanks not going anywhere at the moment or any time in the near future. They are in the process of fixing those bugs or issues you may find threatening.

Bryan Dulaney
Fit Rich Life

It's strange, but another network I work with had the same problem of tracking and they blamed it on the bad eco.... they're ok now and sales are back. I used to make a full time living only with clickbank.... lucky for me I don't depend on CB so much now.. just organic traffic..

Clickbank needs to start fixing these problems or or else they will start having less merchants and affiliates, merchants go to clickbank for the affiliates (most do) and if the affiliates are getting no aff commissions, then they will stop flocking to CB and the merchants (non gurus) will eventually take their business somewhere else.

Also I forgot to add this, the ppc affiliates will stop working with cb if this problem keeps going on, ppc affiliates invest good amounts of money into their campaigns and having a situation where there are 200-2000 hops and no sales = no more involvement with cb, that is for sure!

Hard coding and IP relation tracking will prevail... I have already told that lady at CB where they can get programmers to correct this issue..

Peace

Jay

p.s. The Death of clickbank?.. nah.. just will make them pull their socks up... in their own time, apparently..lol

I think the real issue is that the use of cookie based systems are subject to problems. Especially, since each successive release of browsers make setting and retaining cookies more and more problematic.

ClickBank will not go away, they will evolve.

I just believe that this means that the fire is finally being lit under Clickbank, and they will have to improve their system.

In the end, it will probably be a better system for everyone.

People forget that there are still guys making lots of money on clickbank, I think people are too quick to blame clickbank when sales are down when it can b other factors like, loss of SERPS rankings, increased competition, less demand in their niche at certain times of the year, economy, and so forth. Blaming clickbank is the easy way out , Diversification is certainly the way to go dudes!!

Didn't your mother tell you not to put all your eggs in one basket? There's good logic and reasoning behind that old adage. Make sure you diversify your income streams. People who don't can have their entire businesses wiped out with a single "update".

TomG.

Click bank can not die but I know if there is any problem with the cookies stuff it will be put back in order and i blieve click bank officials are working towards it.

Long live click bank.

Osa

Click bank has been tremedeous

I am reposting this from what I said on Steve's Tread

Wow, this whole thing has me down now. I was just getting ready to go on a first time ever campaign promoting some clickbank products using review pages.

Man this hurts. I have loss a lot of motivation for that now. I guess affiliate marketing does have its limits.

I did hear Matt Furey say one time about online marketing that "you never want to be in a position in your business that if something is taking away from you your dead in the water"

"Then you dont really have a REAL business."

Rich Rollend said
"Thanks Marc2008, It never occurred to me that I should not rely solely on one company for my business."

HaHa, well sorry to tell you Mr. Rollend but by looking at some of the comments here and in other threads some people have soley relied on CB and some other things. If CB were to go down (which of course I hope it does not) people will feel the hurt in their bank accounts.

Maybe your not one of those people so you should not care. And I am not going to lie. As a newbie this a reality check from me also. Even tho I have not been effected by this.

Who's dying today, Paypal, eBay? oh Clickbank OK cool.

No reason account freezing!

No more selling digital items!

No more customer feedback!

I wish something really would kick the bucket 'cos I'm tired of these big companies taking the pee thinking an oil-man wont come along one day and take their weakness as a USP.

I've been trying to follow this CB story but I'm lost, if they do track with IP also then why are we losing commissions?

Also, has Spybot not been around for ages, why the kerfuffle now?

As Craig David once said, can you fill me in please.

Louis

There are now so many threads talking about this Clickbank issue
and as to be expected, very little information or acknowledgment
coming out of Clickbank......

I know others have asked, but what reliable alternatives are
there that provide close to what Clickbank offers?

Regards

Greg

Tracking by a dynamic ISP IP address is like using a GPS system with an accuracy of 20 miles instead of 3 feet.

Whatever ClickBank comes back with, tracking by IP address and cookies are methods that should have gone out with the trash in 2006, if not earlier. There are obvious problems with unique page pass throughs as most cross scripting filters would block them and so we're left with coupons which, although not ideal, would also give further opportunities for affiliates to add value and avoid some of the worst excesses of vendor squeeze pages etc.

I'd Like to see Coupon Codes.

And tighter return polices at maximum- a 14 day return policy.

It's a proven fact that I do better with my non-clickbank affiliate products, but what can we do?

... Still promoting clickbank ebooks and software.

Franck.

Chris, I meant when someone finds an interesting product (by accident) which is linked by an other affiliate.
(Maybe my comment wa´s not so accuarate.)

Yes, because of this problem, its possible some affiliates don't get paid even though the visitor purchased the product through his landing page. The cookie system should be fixed and fast!

I wish I had the money to capitalize on Clickbank's incompetence, slowness and ineptness. Interesting how market opportunities like this one aren't taken by someone.

Amazon at least is making Ebay eat dust.

If anything - it will make CB improve it's process...

There are people making a lot of money AT CB - I'm sure they don't want to go looking for work anytime soon...

- just because they're not issuing an 'official statement' that satisfies everyone doesn't mean they're not working on a better long term solution...

Joey

Clickbank has been screwy lately....I hope they fix these problems.

Yeah I make a lot of money from Clickbank it would be sad to see it go away over a few mishaps.

If it does happen, I gathering a few marketers together to create a bigger and better one, because that market is wide open!

There's only 3 affiliate networks that are like Clickbank! Can make a lot of money setting this up properly.

Anybody want in? lol