The single biggest mistake I made over the last 2 years...

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So, I have been fully self-employed for two years today! It has been an exciting two years and I have learned so very much.

I decided to start my business outside of the Internet marketing niche. I have a few products inside of this niche but not many.

So, I have spent the majority of my time building my business around three other niches.

But, I have learned a very valuable lesson inside of the Internet marketing niche. When I first started about four years ago I started building a list in the Internet marketing arena.

I thought, one day after I learned how to make money I will teach other people how to do the same. So, I did not spend a lot of time building a list, but I was still building a list.

Now, here's where the major lesson I've learned over the last two years comes in.

You see, I was jaded very quickly selling to the Internet marketing crowd. It seemed like people were always complaining and never implementing the training I was giving them. Shoot, this training that I was giving them was the exact methods I was using to make a very healthy living online.

So, I tricked myself into believing that the majority of the customers inside of the make money niche just weren't worth the hassle. So, I started turning and burning leads. My focus was to get them on the list and sell them as hard as I could until they either bought or unsubscribed.

I focused solely on list swaps inside of the make money arena and would do at least one swap a day.

I ended up building a very large list, and making a bunch of money inside the Internet marketing niche. At the time of this writing the list is about 14,000 people.

But, the list I've built is pretty much worthless.

You see, I did nothing to build a relationship with that list. So, I have 14,000 e-mails that could care less to hear from me.

When I send a promotion I am lucky to make 10 sales.

Now, let me contrast this list with the list I had about a year and a half ago.

My list at that time was about 2200 people. My focused with that list was to provide value. I never thought how can I make money from this list, I thought how can I provide value to the people on this list.

Well, whenever I would send a promotion to that list I would make anywhere between 50 and 100 sales.

So here's the lesson...

It does not matter how big your list is. If you do not have a relationship with that list it is practically worthless. So, if you are building a list with the sole intention of pulling as much money as possible out of it you're going to be very disappointed with your results.

In my other niches I treat my lists like gold. I send great valuable information and my open rates are through the roof.

In the Internet marketing niche I expect a 5% to 10% open rate. That's with the unresponsive list I built anyway.

In my other niches I am upset if I don't get a 75% open rate. Then, out of the 75% that open the e-mail usually 70% to 80% click on the link.

So, that leads me to believe a couple things...

First, the people in my other niches want to hear from me. They know that I give them value and when I send them an e-mail the e-mail is opened.

Now, in the Internet marketing niche the people could care less about what I have to say. Because most of the time it's just a list swap with another person. I'm giving them free crap every day and that's pretty much what it is a bunch of crap.

But, this all turns back to my mindset. I know how to build a very responsive list. But, because I felt that the people on my list were not worth my time I simply built a list of e-mail addresses and that is it.

This has been a very big eye-opener for me and I feel very bad about it. This change came yesterday when I received an e-mail from one of my subscribers. I usually outsource all of my support tasks so I don't see a lot of the e-mails that come in.

But, fortunately this one was sent to my personal e-mail address for some reason.

Basically, the subscriber was saying how they are trying to find someone that will truly respect them. They are trying to find someone that will truly help them in this niche. They went on to say how disappointed they were in me because they thought they could trust me.

You see, I'm very open with my beliefs and anyone on my list or anyone that is around me for a very short time will realize that I try to live my life the best way possible.

This was a real eye-opener, because I realized that the people that I'm sending these e-mails to every single day are not just e-mail addresses.

These people are people. They are just like you and they are just like me.

They are exactly like I was a couple years ago. Struggling to make any money online and fighting to build a successful business. But, because of a few bad apples I let my entire attitude towards the make money niche be soured.

And then, I went on to take advantage of the people on my list. Don't get me wrong, every single product that I make is of extremely high value. And my refund rate is practically zero. I have not done the math in a while but the last time I did it was less than 1%.

So, that shows you the type of value I deliver in my products. But, the type of value I was delivering to the subscribers on my list Was absolutely atrocious.

When someone moved over to become a customer I treated them like gold. But, as long as they were not a customer I could care less with what I was sending them as long as a person who I was swapping with was sending me traffic as well.

This is a huge mistake! I'm so thankful that someone finally opened up my eyes to the mistake I was making. Just because there are a few bad apples, does not mean that you place a blanket judgment over everyone.

If you are going to build a business you need to focus on quality. You need to focus on value. If you give value and quality to the people that are following you you'll build a huge business.

I know this for a fact because I have followed that exact model in my other niches and I count my blessings every single day for the type of life I am able to provide for my family. I have raving fans and people that will buy what ever I put out as soon as I put it out.

All I need to do is send an e-mail saying that I have a new product and an order link. There's no need for a sales page or anything else. People are that confident in the value that I give.

The reason they are that confident is because of the time that I've taken to build that trust. I send nothing but value to them and I do everything in my power to gain their trust.

So, as you're building a business and your list remember that huge mistake I made and do not repeat it...

Do not lose sight of what your main goal should be... Building a long term business. A business that you can count on for years to come. Do not worry about making a couple bucks right now with a promotion that is not needed.

Remember to give value first and ask for the sale after you have provided that value.

Don't get me wrong, I sell very hard to my other niches. But, I also work very hard to provide tremendous value and build trust with my potential customers.

Hopefully this long rambling of a post added some type of value to your day. Because as I look back over the last two years this is the biggest lesson I've learned.

And I have learned a lot of lessons.

So, get back to work and be great. Because you were built for greatness!

Talk soon,

Shannon Herod
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Amen, brother, amen...
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary King
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Amen, brother, amen...

      Ditto.

      Thanks for sharing and congrats on your success!
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  • Profile picture of the author balilong
    good for you and thanks for sharing.

    I can just see and imagine how you struggle to improve and reach your goal. In order for us individuals to sustain ourselves is that we must strive hard. People will be there to appreciate and judge you but they are just part of learning and the process of reaching your goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    Good post. I've done that with my IM list which is why it's so small for as long as I've been building it.

    I fell into the ad swap/giveaway method for a bit but it's just not worth it. I don't want to be in constant burn and churn mode.

    I"ll take my small list vs. a huge list made up of folks who don't care about the list owner. Creating loyal subscribers is more important than just having a huge list.

    I've had folks with huge lists mail for me and I just got 0-2 sales vs. other folks with smaller lists but they take care of them. Their peeps buy and even email me to chat and talk about how much they like the list owner that promoted for me. Now that's an awesome list!
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    • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
      Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

      I fell into the ad swap/giveaway method for a bit but it's just not worth it. I don't want to be in constant burn and churn mode.

      That is really all list swapping is... Churn and burn. You can make a bunch of money on the font end with it, but it does not build anything of value.

      I"ll take my small list vs. a huge list made up of folks who don't care about the list owner. Creating loyal subscribers is more important than just having a huge list.

      I've had folks with huge lists mail for me and I just got 0-2 sales vs. other folks with smaller lists but they take care of them. Their peeps buy and even email me to chat and talk about how much they like the list owner that promoted for me. Now that's an awesome list!
      There is a marketer I know who has the best relationship with her list that I have ever seen. Her name is Kim Roach and we can all learn a thing or two from her.

      I am just blessed that I realized that I needed to build relationships in my other niches, because if I would have done the same thing there I would be no where close to where I am today.

      Shannon
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      • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
        I have to be honest Shannon - I was on your list from something I bought from you a couple of years ago and I got to the point where I never opened your emails any longer. I actually just unsubscribed not that long ago when I was culling my email.
        Hey John,

        it is so humbling to have your eyes opened. We all make mistakes but my mistake was made because of a harsh judgment I made on an entire group of people because of a few other people.

        The problem, is I am very good at what I do. I am very good at teaching other people how to do it as well. But, I was doing so well in my other niches I just really quit caring for the people.

        In the end that is the worst thing you can do. Life is not about money. Life is not about toys. I have never seen a U-Haul or an armored truck follow a Hearst. What I see following a Hearst as people.

        In the end that's all that matters. The relationships that you make and the people that you affect in a positive manner.

        So, for me I'm very blessed and thankful that someone was able to open my eyes to the huge mistake I was making.

        Even though I am super successful online I was still making a huge mistake that could ultimately cost my entire business.

        Even though I was doing this in an entire different niche than where my main business lies that bad name and bad karma could still spillover.

        Remember, you were built for greatness!

        Talk soon,

        Shannon Herod
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by nichescape View Post

          This is so true. I worked in retail management for years before I got into internet marketing, and there were always customers who weren't happy with something and just went off the deep end over it.
          This reminds me of an incident that happened in my early grunt days working for the Golden Arches...

          Picture a busy Friday, late afternoon dinner rush.

          One regular customer, who came in every Friday and bought food for a family of six, had started getting abusive to the girls working the counter over time. He went from being a nice guy to a total jackass over a period of weeks.

          Things came to a head one week when the counter girl made a mistake on his order, and he went ballistic on her. The shift manager, a big, beefy Irish fella (not me, I was still just a grunt and a spectator) tried to calm him down while we fixed the mistake. He wasn't having it.

          Finally, he grabbed the SM's tie, pulled him nose to nose and snarled that for two cents he'd take his order to another place next week. The SM calmly disengaged, took out his wallet, handed the guy a dollar bill and told him we'd see him in a year...

          The guy stood there looking confused for a minute, grabbed his bag of food (and the dollar) and left. When the door closed, the other customers applauded.

          The guy returned later and apologized to both the counter girl and the shift manager. And came back for his regular order the next week. Never did return the dollar, far as I ever knew...

          I'm not sure how this applies to the topic at hand, but the memory made me smile.
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  • Profile picture of the author winebuddy
    Awesome post - and all of it TRUE TRUE TRUE.

    I would rather have a list of 100 people that listen to me than 10,000 that don't hands down.

    The only way they are going to listen is if I help them every time I send them an email.
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    • Profile picture of the author jan roos
      Great post. I agree 100% and I am trying my best to help my list with their current problems and I do not steer away from topic. This has proven to be great because my open rates are as yours almost 100% so far.

      Thanks for sharing.

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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    I'm happy for you that you identified your mistake. Hard work does not kill anybody. Thanks for this revelation.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Lenaghan
    Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

    This is a huge mistake! I'm so thankful that someone finally opened up my eyes to the mistake I was making. Just because there are a few bad apples, does not mean that you place a blanket judgment over everyone.
    This is so true. I worked in retail management for years before I got into internet marketing, and there were always customers who weren't happy with something and just went off the deep end over it.

    It would sometimes wreck my day, but when I sat down and thought it through there were always FAR more people who were great to deal with than there were jerks. I think that experience has helped me put it in perspective in this business.

    I have to be honest Shannon - I was on your list from something I bought from you a couple of years ago and I got to the point where I never opened your emails any longer. I actually just unsubscribed not that long ago when I was culling my email.

    I've been a member here for years, but only recently started being more active and I always wondered if you were the same Shannon Herod I was getting those emails from, because everything I saw you post here was so much more valuable

    It sounds like I might have unsubbed a month or so too soon. Where do I sign back up?

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Dunder
    I think most of us has treated our lists this way at one time or another, but if you do provide great content in your emails people will enjoy reading them.
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  • Profile picture of the author LegionNate
    Shannon, that's fantastic information. The only thing that gets me is I have no idea how people go about building lists that aren't in the 'make money online' niche. (I don't do that either yet, by the way). But as an example, I sell bean bag chairs, which to me seems like a one-off sale. Do people build lists in physical product niches likes this???
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    • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
      I do not sell physical products. I only sell information products. But, it is far from a onetime sell for your people. First you should use your list to help build social proof... think Facebook. Second I am sure your customers have other needs. Try to find what those needs are and offer a solution for a commission.

      Shannon
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Shannon, thanks for the candid confession. So easy to get into the mindset of viewing human beings as 'leads' or 'traffic' in this business.

    I have a crazy idea - why not openly apologise to your list? Come back and tell us the results Honesty and confession do wonders for personal relationships! Oh, but don't do it to get more conversions, or the 'magic' won't work!
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    • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Shannon, thanks for the candid confession. So easy to get into the mindset of viewing human beings as 'leads' or 'traffic' in this business.

      I have a crazy idea - why not openly apologise to your list? Come back and tell us the results Honesty and confession do wonders for personal relationships! Oh, but don't do it to get more conversions, or the 'magic' won't work!

      That is actually my plan. I was going to do it last night, but I had a wedding to go to and did not have time to put everything together.

      But, I'm not doing it for conversions I'm doing it because I have truly had a change of heart in the way I will market inside of this niche.

      I'm no longer interested in turning and burning leads. I'm interested in doing the exact same thing I do with every single one of my other niches. Provide extreme value and put the subscriber and the value that the subscriber receives first.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Thanks for the insight, Shannon. I know a lot of the warriors here advocate doing ad swaps, but I think you're absolutely right about how this will burn out and "exhaust" your list if they're constantly exposed to freebie ad swap offers.

    If you put yourself in the shoes of your list member, it's easy to see why they become apathetic and non-responsive to your emails after a while, especially if the majority of emails they're getting are one freebie offer after another. You're not building any sort of relationship with them, and I'm sure your email open rate was probably pretty low after all that constant ad swapping.

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