Spinning and then submitting articles

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Howdy folks

I have a question about Article Spinning & Submitting.

I want to do this the right way. That is, in a way that's not going to get me banned from any of the directories AND in a way that provides real, useful content to searchers.

And, yes, while I'm interested in spinning articles to kind of "game" the search engines by avoiding the dupe-content filters, I'm definitely NOT interested in churning out thousands of garbage articles that read as if they were written by a drunken racoon brought up in Mumbai... and then submitting them all over the web willy-nilly.

Actually, I'm doing it primarily for the purpose of generating traffic, to which some people might ask "Well, who cares about spinning? Just submit to as many directories as you can!"

But to my mind, I think it's a bit daft to pass up the opportunity of generating some one-way backlinks from a bunch of high PR sites (by giving them all "different" articles--which are then not subject to the duplicate content filter).

All of the article marketing stuff I've read mentions the power of articles for both SEO and traffic purposes, but doesn't really tell you how to MAXIMIZE both of these benefits at the same time.

I think the solution is to spin an article, and then submit each spun version to a different directory. Some directories are given more weight than others by SEs but you're still getting a bitta juice at least.

And then these directories/hubs plus all the publishers who pick up your articles from them then do the traffic-building work.

Seems kinda elementary, and is obviously not going to be hot news to a lot of Warriors, but I've only just worked this out. Call me a slow learner.

My main problem is HOW to do it. Hence this post...


SPINNERS

I've done quite a lot of research into spinners and the one that looks the best fit for ME appears to be Power Article Rewriter. I haven't used it yet, though, but I watched the video and it looks like the sort of thing I'm after.

I also like ExRat's suggestion of using it with Dragon Naturally Speaking (Great tip, dude!)

I'll download the free trial and find out how much the thing costs (coz it doesn't appear to be anywhere on the sales page--My word I hate that tactic! If there wasn't a video showing me what it does, I would have left and come here to ask the price.)

For the record (and the benefit of other people reading this), how much is it?

Now...

How does this relate to submitting articles?

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Well, I'd like to know how you go about taking the articles you've spun and then submitting them to directories.

My understanding of traditional article submission services and software is that you load up an article and it gets submitted to all the places in that service or software's database/list.

But this is not what I want to do.

Let's take an example of what I want to do:

-- Let's say I write an article with a boat load of vocab and phrase variations throughout and I spin, say, 50 versions.

-- I read through them all and delete any that read too much like ones I've already read.

-- Let's say I'm left with 35 articles.

-- I then go through and tidy things up so that they're completely readable and there's no raccoon-ese to be had.

-- Right, now I want to submit my 35 "unique" articles to 35 different, reputable directories.

(I can then take a 36th version and submit it to the other 4 million low-grade directories via some kind of software and track what kind of traffic that brings me)

-- But I don't want to do it by hand every time I write and spin an article.

So, what are my options? (That's not a rhetorical question, btw)

I have a couple of ideas, but (a) any more suggestions, and (b) your input on the following suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


POSSIBLE SOLUTION #1: Outsource it.

I get some college kid, say, or a VA (as part of their general duties) to submit all the articles that I write in a week, in one fell swoop, to all 35 directories manually.

How long would this take? How many hours?

Then I can work out if it would be cost effective to pay someone $15 an hour to do this sort of thing week after week after week. It's not as cheap as the submission services (which work on volume, obviously), but it WILL get me the desired solution, methinks.

Any problems that you can see with this one?


POSSIBLE SOLUTION #2: Use some kind of software.

I don't really know the pros and cons of doing this, though.

Pros seem pretty singular: You save time.

What are the cons?

And what I'm really looking for is a piece of software that allows you to configure the following settings, for example:

"[article #6 title here] should be submitted to [name of directory here], [article #7 title here] should be submitted to [name of different directory here]" etcetera

I looked at Article Announcer, but I wasn't sure if it did this.
Does anyone know?


I understand that JetSubmitter does something like this, but reviews about the number of successful submissions makes me wonder. Of course, this could have more to do with the quality of the articles that people are submitting. If they've got the raccoon at the controls when they're spinning, then I'm not surprised that most of their submissions get rejected.

But I wonder how much of it--if any--has to do with the "automatic" nature of it. And I don't know that's why I'm asking. I'm not assuming anything here.

Also, does JetSubmitter have the ability to send one version to this directory, the next to the next directory, etc.?

If JetSubmitter is the service for me, I'm happy to give it a spin (no put intended). But what I've read so far hasn't been too encouraging.

Yes, I know, I could just try it myself. But I'd rather save potentially a LOT of time and ask folks here about their experience. Also, I don't want to lash out money on something that's crap or even if it's not crap, doesn't do what I'm looking for. Who does, right?



POSSIBLE SOLUTION #3: Use some kind of service

I looked at Article Marketer, but the reviews on this forum make it sound like more frustration and effort than it's worth. Also, I refuse to work with companies that have crap customer support. I don't expect people to be at my beck and call, but if they can't get back to me in a timely manner, then I'll take my business elsewhere.

I'll go with a not-quite-as-good solution and top-notch support every time. Maybe that's dumb, but it's much better for avoiding chances of a stroke due to gasket-blowing.

So please don't suggest Article Marketer to me; I'm not interested. Thanks.

[Sidenote: In one thread I read, someone asked a question along the lines of "Well, if this is the case, why do the big names still recommend them?" Answer: recurring affiliate income.

(Hey, am I being cynical again?):p]


Next... I looked at Submit Your Article, but immediately got a bad taste in my mouth because they required me to opt-in just to look at the details of their offer. Sure, I by-passed it, but I positively LOATHE this technique. It says quite a lot about a company in my opinion.

And I'm not even comparing it to a squeeze page offering a special report which then redirects you to the salespage on confirmation. That I'm fine with--providing there is actually some useful information in the free report that I've traded my email address for.

But to squeeze me just for the privilege of viewing your offer? Get outta here.

Anyway, so I read their offer and they only allow up to 8 submissions per month. And it doesn't appear to solve my problem anyway (of wanting to be able to say "This version to this directory, this other version to this other directory, etc").

It DOES have a feature called "Article Leverage", but I'm not really sure of the details. It sounds like their own in-house spinner. Is that right?

What I'm looking to do, though, is pay a one-time fee for a spinner that I can use to pre-write all my versions offline and then allocate which version goes where.

Any other manual submission services that DO do what I'm looking for (re: this version to this place, that version to that place), offer good customer contact, don't cost an arm and a leg, and allow me to submit a decent number per month?

This is a bit of an epic post with lots of questions, but I'm still a bit confused. Sorry! :confused:

I've read a bunch of stuff on article marketing, but it's usually the same "what not how" kind of information. There's a lot of good info out there about length of articles, and putting keywords in your title, and writing attention-grabbing titles, and so on, but they usually just end with

"And when you're done, submit them to the top directories in the list below".

That's fine if you want to submit the SAME article, but I don't. I want to submit the spun versions (which read just as well as the "original").

I don't mind paying for the "how" (but if I don't have to, that's the proverbial no brainer, innit?)

So if there really IS a good guide out there that goes through this, feel free to post a link and I'll take a look.

But what I'm really looking for is what I've already said (and which I'll try to distill here):

A way to save time with article submissions where I can allocate Version X of an article to be submitted to Directory A, Version Y to Directory B, Version Z to Directory C, and so forth.

And I only see three broad possibilities: outsourcing it for someone to do manually, a software solution, or a submission service.

Article writing is something that a huge number of Warriors do. There must be a solution out there somewhere, right?

Any ideas?

Cheers,
TheNightOwl
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    NightOwl,
    You right there is a solution, it's in my sig...

    Everything can be done on one website + a whole lot more.. Unlimited submissions to unlimited directories also as each account has their own pre-configured directories to submit too.. All submissions use the directories actual categories and not generic categories like most submitters do...

    Not to mention my site is also a full article directory too that does allow you to advertise your domain names and it does not contain any google ads on your articles. All articles are SEO'd and currently google bot is hitting my site on avg 1,200 times a day..

    It's a new site and I am currently working on more features too such as a dripfeed..

    The cost for the site is very effective... and my site is nothing like the ones you mentioned in your post..

    And for your reading enjoyment see - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tml#post248743

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author TheNightOwl
      Heya James

      I could feel it my bones that I'd hear from you on this one!

      I looked at your WSO last week or the week before.

      I went through the sales page and the videos again just now, but I can't find an answer to my primary question:

      Can I spin 50 articles and then say to the software "Please send Version#1 to GoArticles, Version#2 to ArticleCity, etc."?

      That's all I really want to be able to do at this stage.

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      Further digging this afternoon has turned up Unique Article Wizard.

      Now this one appears to do something more in line with what I want and I'll be following up on this one more.

      Anyone have any experience with this?

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      Another question for James:

      I know your system has a lot of other bells and whistles (most of which look pretty good from the preview), but I'm not actually interested in them at this stage. So can you answer the following question without mentioning those other things:

      How is your service different (other than being significantly cheaper! ) than Unique Article Wizard?


      Thanks,
      TheNightOwl

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      • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
        Originally Posted by TheNightOwl View Post

        Heya James


        How is your service different (other than being significantly cheaper! ) than Unique Article Wizard?


        Thanks,
        TheNightOwl

        I use James' site and find it very simple and easy to use. You can spin the articles yourself before submission so you can see what they are like. Having read posts in here complaining about some spinners and the poor results I think James got it right as they come out OK.

        I am not a technical person and am enjoying what this site offers without any hassles. Try it and you won't be disappointed.

        God bless,

        Norma
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        • Profile picture of the author TheNightOwl
          Hi there Norma

          Thanks for the reply and I'm sure James is happy for the testimonial.

          I watched his video and the spinner looks great.

          But it doesn't really answer my question, I'm afraid...

          Can I spin 50 articles and then say to the software "Please send Version#1 to GoArticles, Version#2 to ArticleCity, etc."?


          Nor did your response actually answer the section of my post that you quoted. :confused:Cheers,
          TheNightOwl
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

          I use James' site and find it very simple and easy to use. You can spin the articles yourself before submission so you can see what they are like. Having read posts in here complaining about some spinners and the poor results I think James got it right as they come out OK.

          I am not a technical person and am enjoying what this site offers without any hassles. Try it and you won't be disappointed.

          God bless,

          Norma
          Hi Norma,
          I greatly appreciate the support... You going to keep this up and I am going to have to do something special for you ..

          James
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by TheNightOwl View Post

        Heya James

        I could feel it my bones that I'd hear from you on this one!

        I looked at your WSO last week or the week before.

        I went through the sales page and the videos again just now, but I can't find an answer to my primary question:

        Can I spin 50 articles and then say to the software "Please send Version#1 to GoArticles, Version#2 to ArticleCity, etc."?

        That's all I really want to be able to do at this stage.

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        Further digging this afternoon has turned up Unique Article Wizard.

        Now this one appears to do something more in line with what I want and I'll be following up on this one more.

        Anyone have any experience with this?

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        Another question for James:

        I know your system has a lot of other bells and whistles (most of which look pretty good from the preview), but I'm not actually interested in them at this stage. So can you answer the following question without mentioning those other things:

        How is your service different (other than being significantly cheaper! ) than Unique Article Wizard?


        Thanks,
        TheNightOwl


        Hi NightOwl,
        Thanks for the reply...

        Submission - I have not made a video of this yet but will soon. Will explain the process for you though..

        Go to composer and compose your article and get it ready to spin. Once done then you will spin the articles upto a max of 100 times. The spinner will create the files for you which will stay on your account for 45 days.

        Now you go to "view files" and you will see several options including:

        View | Edit | Creation | Submit | Download | Delete

        You can view each spun file as well as "edit" each spun file.. When you click on submit it will take you to the submission section.

        (On submission you will add each directory you want to submit too along with your username and password for those directories. Once you have directories set up then you can submit)

        Now you have your article you want to submit.. All you do now is select the directories you want to submit too and select the categories for each directory. You can submit to multiple directories at once and you decide what directories to submit too.. You would then click on submit and it will auto submit that article to your chosen directories..

        So to answer your questions:

        Can I spin 50 articles and then say to the software "Please send Version#1 to GoArticles, Version#2 to ArticleCity, etc."?

        Yes you can.. Just select each spun file and select the directories and categories and submit...

        How is your service different (other than being significantly cheaper! ) than Unique Article Wizard?
        Well without mentioning the huge amount of power and other options I will put it like this..

        - My service is a great deal cheaper and offers full support as there is a built in support ticket system. Since you are only interested at this time in the spinner / submission then I will answer your question for this only.

        - The spinner allows you to mass add from a txt file all your spinpoints at once. These spinpoints remain on your account unless you edit or delete them which you do have full control to do. The spinner saves all related information for use on submission (tags, title, resource box, summary and etc).

        - The submission as mentioned above has configuration controls that will allow you to add directories. Now notice this is on a "per account basis" in otherwords... You could have goarticles, articlesgarden on your account to submit too and Norma could have just articlesnatch on her account. You see each account can and will have different directories to submit too.

        I built the submission this way for several reasons..

        1. It allows you to submit to those directories you like without the need of going though directories you do not like.

        2. You have full control on what directories you want to submit too, it's your choice.. The special of this is simple -- Let's say you have that secret website you like to submit too that you do not want to share with others. Well you can do so here, just fill out the add request form to have that directory added to your account and only your account will have that directory show up. It will not show on all accounts, this is what is meant by submissions on a per account basis.

        - My entire server is SSL meaning everything is 256 bit encrypted, including your submissions.. To my knowledge I have the only article directory website that is SSL..

        - Since I am the actual developer of my site then if you want or need additions then all you have to do is put in a support ticket and request. I will then consider adding the addition or not. Point is here though I don't need to go track down a coder to build this or that into my system. Other sites I can not speak for but I for one will consider any additions my members ask for.

        I hope that answers your questions..

        Thanks,
        James
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    For my money, article spinners produce junk. However, this topic comes up a lot and I see there are a few people here who feel otherwise. This post is to them.

    Why not post a couple of articles produced by the better software or Websites or whatever so we can all have a look at the finished product - or perhaps a link or two pointing to some decent articles produced by a spinner. Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      For my money, article spinners produce junk. However, this topic comes up a lot and I see there are a few people here who feel otherwise. This post is to them.

      Why not post a couple of articles produced by the better software or Websites or whatever so we can all have a look at the finished product - or perhaps a link or two pointing to some decent articles produced by a spinner. Thanks.
      Travlinguy - I already posted the this - see here - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tml#post248743

      James
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      For my money, article spinners produce junk. However, this topic comes up a lot and I see there are a few people here who feel otherwise. This post is to them.

      Why not post a couple of articles produced by the better software or Websites or whatever so we can all have a look at the finished product - or perhaps a link or two pointing to some decent articles produced by a spinner. Thanks.
      I've built profitable websites using ArtiFact, and posted a link to one
      in my WSO. Checkout my SIG if you want to see proof that SOME
      article spinners can and doi create good quality articles.

      HTH

      Glenn
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  • Profile picture of the author TheNightOwl
    Hi Ralf

    Thanks for replying and for the links.
    They're certainly great-looking programs, but I still don't think they do what I'd like them to do.

    Boo hoo...

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    Thanks,

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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Night Owl,

      I was going to mention Article Post Robot (as mentioned above.)

      I also have article announcer from years back - that's a manual method that simply helps with log ins and storing the info - I don't use it anymore.

      Jetsubmitter (last time I looked) only submits to article dashboard type sites, which are mainly useless and many of them strip the resource box out.

      Unique Article Wizard uses a different kind of spinning that isn't as laborious, but also isn't as effective as using {|}. There are two or three other systems out now that do similar (submit to users blogs rather than directories) but use the {|}, sometimes with different formats EG {~}.

      What I would add to all of this is that you need to understand that you're about to enter a world that had it's heyday a little while ago - in other words, when we all jumped on this as it happened obviously things started to change in the SE's. They got a lot wiser. So you might be pushing a rock up a hill, as such. Many of these tools are not new and haven't changed drastically.

      If you're looking to create leverage from spinning content, then the next stage is to look at using that spun content in as many different places as possible, and of course, to have the system as streamlined as possible (distribution=as easy/hands-free as possible). Why go to the trouble otherwise?

      There are rumblings that article directories are not as useful as they used to be in terms of using them for spun content and how much weight the SE's give them. Therefore, if you're going to go to the trouble of spinning content at all, you might want to consider going a lot wider than just article directories. Hint - senuke.com - that's what I'm playing with currently - it adheres to the core principle of going down this road (IMO) - if you're into leverage through automation, then your goal should be to automate anything and everything and ideally, use a self-contained system - and this one is built around the spinner (IE - everything gets spun - titles, keywords etc).

      Well worth a look, if you're into this kind of thing. My approach, right at the start, was that I was so interested in this type of method that I just got hold of anything decent out there and tested it - I didn't give much sway to the opinions of people trying to sell me stuff (I still don't and never do). To stay on top, you need to have an edge - a way of combining tools (or something else) that results in your output not matching the footprint of the masses. If you just sign up to one of these services and do what everyone else is doing, you might not get mindblowing results.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheNightOwl
    Hi there, Roger

    Thanks very much for your response. When you talk, I listen. And in my research on this topic to day I notice you have had a lot to say on quite a few threads.

    I actually don't have much time to give my full attention to what you've said (sorry!), but I will come back and read more thoroughly. I just thought I'd whip off a quick thanks for weighing in.

    Cheers,
    TheNightOwl
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