Article Spinning - where can you use it???

by Beau
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Hi All...
I'm curious to know what you can use 'spun' articles for. I just had an original article spun 250 times - are these simply to be used for the low quality article directories? Or can they be used elsewhere? Any thoughts?

:-) Beaumont
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  • Profile picture of the author kenny5
    Honestly I've never had good results with spun articles. I'm sure you could submit all of them to directories and get some results, but I always like original content more.
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    • Profile picture of the author GenerousBoy
      I have to agree. And when I've had my articles spun they often end up with someone else's name on them and a link to 'original source' (i.e. me, the author) which admittedly takes the reader to the original source, but seeing as the reader has already read the article, he's not likely to click on the all important link in the resource box! Anyone else had the same experience? If you're a good writer - and quick - I can't help feeling you're better off 'spinning' part of your article yourself, and keeping your submisions to the few sites where you stand to get a page 1 ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author copycashvalve
    Get Article Submission Helper its free and accepts spun articles. It will post to over 100 directories.

    Spinning your article is a good way to get targeted traffic to your website along with link juice from the all seeing G.

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    • Profile picture of the author EFt
      Originally Posted by copycashvalve View Post

      Get Article Submission Helper its free and accepts spun articles. It will post to over 100 directories.

      Spinning your article is a good way to get targeted traffic to your website along with link juice from the all seeing G.

      CCV
      this sounds good, I will look into Article Submission Helper. I'm researching these tools and might just try a couple of free ones first and see how they go.
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  • Profile picture of the author Millerking
    Does spun articles can be submitted to the main article marking? like EZA?
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    • Profile picture of the author copycashvalve
      Originally Posted by Millerking View Post

      Does spun articles can be submitted to the main article marking? like EZA?
      Sure, you can even submit it to your own directory.
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  • Profile picture of the author sandraworsely
    In not quite sure if you have made some observation with the result of Article Spinning system. Yes, you can produce many spun articles in such a quick span of time and can submit it to several article directories by using article spinner software like Unique Article Wizard.

    However, there's no assurance that you'll get 100% quality satisfaction on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author windowblinds
    Spun articles are just for low quality directories, you will not get good result elsewhere. Its better than using the same article repeatedly..
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pitt
    You should probably give them a read over before submitting to directories, just to make sure they get approved.

    Another use for spun articles could be for generating back-links via web 2.0 sites e.g blogger, squidoo. Post a spun article on each one and turn some of the text into links back to your website. One good method is to post spun articles on web 2.0 sites and link them to each other, as well as linking them to your main website. This creates a mini link funnel.

    I believe the content needs to be 80% unique for it not to be considered duplicate content by google, so some minor edited may be needed to make sure that long phrases aren't duplicated in each article you post. Theres a free program called Dupe Free Pro that you can use to compare articles and check their uniqueness.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    You can use spun articles for filling up your blogs/websites. I basically use my spinner for the PLR articles I got for free. Just make sure that you check the articles first to see if they still make sense.

    Andrea
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggerHigh
    It depends on the quality of the spinning. If you use a cheap spinner or don't have a very good grasp on the English language, then yes, they are only good for low quality directories or spam blogs. Higher quality spins can be used anywhere. If you look through ezinearticles nowadays (still pretty much the most seriously edited directory), it's easy to spot spun stuff - this is because even reasonably well spun stuff can introduce 'giveaways' that will make you chuckle (and a search engine flag).
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  • Profile picture of the author BelindaMooney
    SPun article can be used on websites, as article submissions, blogs and anywhere you want to use them. I spun beau's article not realizing he simply wanted a rewrite only ( I did rewrite each sentence before spinning). So Beau you have some good articles you can use in many, many different ways. Ezine articles is just one of them. I spin articles for clients for blogs, then they post them to ezine and then they even retarget them on another website. Makes for great link juice.

    And the quality is good too

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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Originally Posted by precious007 View Post

    Usually the spun articles will be accepted into directories
    that just not worth your time.

    Most of the times these article not only don't get indexed
    but they won't generate any traffic. EZA and all the other
    large article directories don't accept spun articles, they're
    denied right of the bat.

    Use them to gain extra links to your main landing pages or
    blogs/sites.
    Lol, I am going to call BS on you here.

    Actually they do! Guess that means EZA isn't worth peoples time then?

    How do I know? Because I have done it hundreds of times.

    It may shock you to know that as an accomplished spinner, I have submitted the same article to EZA time and time again(under different pen names) with no rejections.

    Article spinning when done properly is about "CONTENT LEVERAGE"

    Makes no sense to use spun articles as backlinks, complete waste of time. Rather just submit the same article and syndicate my content.

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    • Profile picture of the author EFt
      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

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      Makes no sense to use spun articles as backlinks, complete waste of time. Rather just submit the same article and syndicate my content.

      Chris
      Hi Chris, great post but I'm trying to work out what this sentence means? I'm still learning a lot of this and I was hoping to spin a few old articles from a few of my own sites content and submit them to directories through one of the article submitters. I need some backlinks so I'm concerned with what you wrote and hope you can explain it more.
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  • Profile picture of the author abock
    Whats the difference between rewriting and spinning?
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    • Profile picture of the author rkz0121
      From what I understand, the both really the same thing, It's just that spinning is a just a form of jargon for rewriting. The both involve the same thing most of the time.
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    • Profile picture of the author RustyF
      Originally Posted by abock View Post

      Whats the difference between rewriting and spinning?
      They are actually the same thing BUT

      Spinning usually means an automated process. Most people trash programs that do that. I've not seen one that does it well but there is one out there I wish to try. I wont say which because i can't recommend something I have not used.

      If you find something that truly works well it could be very helpful.

      I have a lot of people asking me to write for them. But I write very slow. So, I think I'm going to give one a try and see if I can get use it to help me get a few good articles out there on the same topic.

      I don't want to put out trash with my name on it or anything that links to my sites for that matter.

      Re-writing done by hand and intensive labor.
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  • Profile picture of the author gabquotesl
    use it on web 2.0 sites - a place where nobody looks and you can put low quality content

    (article directories will not aprove low quality articles)
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Beau View Post

    I just had an original article spun 250 times - are these simply to be used for the low quality article directories?
    They can be used in low quality article directories, but equally the same article could have been used unspun in those same low quality article directories with the same benefits. The only real benefit is the backlink, and the backlink is exactly the same whether the content's spun or just syndicated.

    This is traditionally a subject on which people's opinions differ quite widely, because it tends frequently to be discussed by people who don't quite appreciate the differences between "duplicate" and "syndicated" content, and their significance.

    It's one of the subjects on which two distinct groups, definable as (a) "people using article marketing" and (b) people making a good living from article marketing, have views and opinions on which they can never agree. In almost all discussions of the subject, the first group are in the great majority and theirs - however mistaken - tends understandably to be the viewpoint that comes across as "the consensus opinion" on such questions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Astron
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      ...equally the same article could have been used unspun in those same low quality article directories with the same benefits. The only real benefit is the backlink, and the backlink is exactly the same whether the content's spun or just syndicated...
      Have you ever tested Google to see if it`s ture? So in your opinion there is absolutely no need to use unique or spinned articles for article distribution? Do you wanna say that if I submit ONLY 1 article to 500 article directories, web 2.0 websites, blogs, etc. Google will count them like 500 unique links from 500 different sources? I think it`s just stupid. It would be too easy to gain backlinks, don`t you think? I`m guessing (nothing proved or tested yet) Google counts all of the backlinks only if you submit your unique content to maybe 10-20 different places, but not like to hundreds. This is where spinning can be helpful, you make a good spin, than you can submit the new version to another 10-20 sources, and so on... and you will get real backlinks.

      I know what is duplicated content and what is not. I belive if you submit your content with your backlinks to hundreds of places, than probably %90 of your syndicated content gonna end up in the supplemental index. Google not gonna load the search results with the same article from hundreds of different places, couse it`s not too good visitor experience. It will show maybe only a handful of them. So why would Google count those backlinks on hundreds of different websites (pages) if they`re not even in the main Google index ? They will be discounted becouse they already gave their votes (backlinks) from a handful of sources.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Astron View Post

        Have you ever tested Google to see if it`s ture?
        Yes, many times. And although it's not always easy to know completely reliably, I've drawn my conclusions from what I've found. I've also been lucky enough to see the testing results of others, some of them far more experienced than myself, who have researched the subject extensively and whose findings I trust.

        Originally Posted by Astron View Post

        So in your opinion there is absolutely no need to use unique or spinned articles for article distribution?
        No; I didn't say that at all.

        I said only that the backlink benefit is exactly the same regardless of whether the article is spun or syndicated. For me, and for the experts in whose evidence I place my trust in preference to the "consensus opinion", that is so.

        There may be other benefits, for some people, of course, quite apart from the backlink benefits. That's another matter altogether.

        Originally Posted by Astron View Post

        I think it`s just stupid.
        People reading the thread will doubtless draw their own conclusions as to the extent to which "just stupid" comprises a reasoned and/or convincing refutation of a well researched, tested and proven perspective.
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        • Profile picture of the author Astron
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Yes, many times. And although it's not always easy to know completely reliably, I've drawn my conclusions from what I've found. I've also been lucky enough to see the testing results of others, some of them far more experienced than myself, who have researched the subject extensively and whose findings I trust.
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          the backlink benefit is exactly the same regardless of whether the article is spun or syndicated.
          Ok so I try this way: So in your point of view there is no need to spin or rewrite the articles before you wanna mass submit them? I`m not talking about putting your article to Eza and Goarticles, I`m talking about more serious link building, about mass submitting them to hundreds of places. You tested this, and you getting hundreds of backlinks per article? Couse you have the same backlink benefit from unchanged articles submitted to a lot of places?

          If it would work, than I would create let`s say 20 small blogs daily targetting only long tails with low competition, and the only SEO would be to mass submit the articles (uncahanged, no rewrite or spin version) from the blog with the use of a couple of submitters, like Article Post Robot, a press release submitter etc. And I would get hundreds of backlinks, or not? What if I submit them to a couple of article distribution services as well or even to some private blog networks? Couse there is no limit, if you have the same benefit...Than I would get thousands of backlinks from only submitting my content to these places right? So if it would be that easy I would definitely create loads of websites couse the SEO is just damn easy.


          Originally Posted by Paul Barrs View Post

          "Tell me, when you *spin* an article do you also *spin* the URL for the backlink?
          WTF? Of course not!!
          Do you think Googlebot cares if it picks up the same URL 50 times vs 500 times vs 5 million times?
          No."
          I`m not sure if I understand this. You can`t just talk about URLs, the important thing is the content around your URL. If your URL (backlink) is in a content what has been submitted to hundreds of pages, than Google will not count them all. You only gonna get the baclkink juice when you submit them to only a handful of places.

          Originally Posted by RustyF View Post

          I have an article on EzineArticles and on my page that is ranked number 2 on the Ezine article and number 4 on my own website. Same article word for word.

          Its not duplicate content if it is on different sites. Though 500 articles might be different.
          That only proves that we are on the same page. As I said a couple of times, Google counts all of the backlinks only if you submit your unique content to a couple of places, and yes you can get ranked them on other sources as well. What I said that this is just not working with mass submission, nooo you won`t get the same benefits when you do this in big

          And yeah, I`m against of urban myths of internet marketing as well
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Astron View Post

            Ok so I try this way: So in your point of view there is no need to spin or rewrite the articles before you wanna mass submit them?
            There's no need for me, but I don't mass submit - and (as I commented before) that wasn't what I said anyway.

            Originally Posted by Astron View Post

            I`m not sure if I understand this.
            Believe me: you don't.

            Your example seems entirely to ignore the fact that the kind of backlinks that are good for your site's SEO are context-relevant, high-PR backlinks from authority sites. Mass-submitting to thousands of so-called "article directories" is going to get you entirely or almost entirely pr-0, non-context-relevant, temporary backlinks. Many directories won't actually ever publish your "mass submission", and most of the rest won't still exist in 6 months' time. This, however few people are comfortable admitting and acknowledging it, is the inescapable reality of the situation. :p

            Originally Posted by Astron View Post

            And yeah, I`m against of urban myths of internet marketing as well
            Well, there you are: we managed to agree about something.
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      • Profile picture of the author RustyF
        Originally Posted by Astron View Post

        Have you ever tested Google to see if it`s ture? So in your opinion there is absolutely no need to use unique or spinned articles for article distribution? Do you wanna say that if I submit ONLY 1 article to 500 article directories, web 2.0 websites, blogs, etc. Google will count them l
        I have an article on EzineArticles and on my page that is ranked number 2 on the Ezine article and number 4 on my own website. Same article word for word.

        Its not duplicate content if it is on different sites. Though 500 articles might be different.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by RustyF View Post

          I have an article on EzineArticles and on my page that is ranked number 2 on the Ezine article and number 4 on my own website. Same article word for word.
          I have several like that, and/or very similar, and/or the other way round.

          But when you do proper testing and see what happens, and make your business decisions on the strength of it, and try to explain it in forums to people who believe all the urban myths of internet marketing, have no evidence for anything they say, and just accept the mistaken "consensus views" about everything, I honestly think they imagine you're making it up, and they just won't believe you.

          Ultimately, the way I look at it is that it's their loss, and that the more time my competitors spend "spinning" and worrying about "duplicate content", the less time they actually have to compete with me in any realistic way.
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          • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            I have several like that, and/or very similar, and/or the other way round.

            But when you do proper testing and see what happens, and make your business decisions on the strength of it, and try to explain it in forums to people who believe all the urban myths of internet marketing, have no evidence for anything they say, and just accept the mistaken "consensus views" about everything, I honestly think they imagine you're making it up, and they just won't believe you.

            Ultimately, the way I look at it is that it's their loss, and that the more time my competitors spend "spinning" and worrying about "duplicate content", the less time they actually have to compete with me in any realistic way.
            This is a very good post. I agree with you re the urban myths. They kind of annoy me especially when you have these people mimicking what they heard from someone else and pretending they are some sort of authority. it is ok if you know what you are talking about or even if you say "according to my experience", but to mislead people who need to know the right answers, (or at least not be told myths) is a shame. I stopped listening to these people a little while ago and I rely more on evidence now instead of conventional wisdom that gets cirulated so much it gets taken as gospel. I found that with the duplicate content myth as well. I submit the same article to every site.
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            • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
              I mean some guy was on here the other day claiming EZA is finished (LOL) and yet all of us here can attest the opposite and I can from my few months experience. That is an example of what I mean. Thankfully there are people here who can blow some of the myths out of the water.
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              • Profile picture of the author Pindich
                In my opinion I think it depends on the readability of the articles your spinner produces. If you use an automatic spinner, chances are you can have results that are not user friendly and as such they will suffer set-backs when you try submitting them to the major article directories. But when you use some good semi-automatic spinners and devote some time to input alternative statements that make sense, then chances are that you will come out with something that might be accepted in good article directories
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    We have spun our way to 500+ page one rankings in 2010. So yeah I think spinning articles is a great way to grab page one rankings.
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    • Profile picture of the author RustyF
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      We have spun our way to 500+ page one rankings in 2010. So yeah I think spinning articles is a great way to grab page one rankings.
      Willing to share which program you use to do it with?
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    I've been spinning articles for years (since about 2002/2003) with good results. I use them on my websites, Squidoo, Hubpages etc. With my private system (not for sale), I can do rather more than simply spin articles, I can build complete websites for example, with over 350 pages, all indexed and ranking quite well in G.

    I should point out that I 'spin' articles properly, and often get better quality output than the original high quality seed article. One average, I achieve about 88% uniqueness across 1000 spins.

    HTH

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  • Profile picture of the author mark587905
    I have always had problems with submitting more than 1 spun article to the directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author BelindaMooney
    The articles that I spin for clients get accepted into Ezine all the time! Plus I have submitted my own spun articles as well.

    Getting quality spins is a challenge but it can be done - I do it all the time!

    Rewriting & spinning are similiar but there is a difference. For most of my clients I totally rewrite the sentence manually - so there are at least 2 different sentences to choose from - and THEN go back and spin words/phrases in each sentence.

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  • Profile picture of the author BelindaMooney
    And a note on spinner software.. Rusty - I use the Best Spinner. But the bottom line is, like anything else, the software is only as good as the person using it. If you put terrible plr into and just hit a button you are going to come out with trash.

    If you want it to look good you have to start with a good article. Then you have to be willing to rewrite quality sentences and be able to judge what will read well. You cannot just click the synonym button and hope for the best lol.

    It is an art and it does take time! That's for sure

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  • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
    There are several networks that accept spun articles such as Unique Article Wizard, Jon Leger's 1 way links, etc, etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author opiniones
    It's not about whether or not ezine accepts spun articles. Rather are you willing to spend the time it takes to spin an article to a high uniqueness level that can pass copyscape, make it readable, and avoid having it being detected by ezine as un-original content?

    From my experience the amount of time it takes to do all those 3 is sometimes more than what it takes to write an original article from scratch.
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  • Profile picture of the author glassextreme
    opiniones: yes, it definitely takes much more time to spin an article to such high level, but once you do it right, you just keep submitting that to web2.0, directories, etc continuously over a long period.

    So the time spent can be more than worth it.

    How long do you spend on writing an original article from scratch?
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  • Profile picture of the author webvantage
    I think it is better to right any of the content in your words instead of spinning. You can always take an idea or an outline from some other content and then you can write your own. I think that is a better way of promotion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Astron
    I never said I mass submit my articles to hundreds of article directories, couse that is just soo stupid It was just an example source: article directories. I just explained my point about content syndication and the benefits of the baclkinks from the syndicated content. By the way I`m only submitting to quality websites. Why? Couse the good articles are just too expensive to blast them to crappy places. You can easily find min. 50 high PR article directories, hundreds of high PR web.2.0 websites, hundreds of blog platforms, press release websites etc. (and they will be there in 6 months' time) So they are all trusted high quality websites. The only question is how do you use them for backlink building.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Can be used to make:

    'Reports, manuals, white papers and other short PDFs
    Can be combined to make longer ones
    can be used to make audios and submitted to the thousands of audio directories (iTunes for one)
    as video script
    blog posts
    blog comments
    forum posts
    2.0 replies or posts
    reviews
    PRs
    Some with a little tweaking. Depends on what your goal is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
      If you spin or rewrite your articles properly, you can use them anywhere that you would use an original article (and yes, that includes EZA).

      The keyword here is "properly". If you take the time to do it right, your rewritten articles will look a LOT different than the originals.
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  • Profile picture of the author ruch1v
    There's a ton of places you can use it, it sounds like you used 'the best spinner',

    If you still have the syntax, you can use it to distribute your content and backlinks to places such as article marketing automation, seolinkvine, article ranks and article blueprint (I use all of these in this way)

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  • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
    I spin articles for submission to networks such as seolinkvine purely because they require it. Duplicate content myth or not, people believe it and if you want them to accept your article it has to have a high level of uniqueness. Personally I fall on the side of it being a myth.

    I'll also use this for web 2.0 properties when I get round to setting them up - why not it can't do any harm

    However, when I do spin the article I take a quality article written by myself, and I ensure that every single spin variation, makes sense and is written well. This is more work, but at the end of the day If one of these articles that I'm using to get backlinks should actually get a human eyeball (which is entirely possible), I want them to read and potentially click on the link, rather than look at it and whinge about nonsensical content. What if each spun article out there only brought in 1 visitor a month.... it can all add up.
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