What is the most OVERLOOKED step in IM'ing?

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My gosh, where do I start...

I see some terrible IM attempts, and some really good ones..

I'm starting this thread to help out those newbies, and those getting started.
Some people think they can setup a wordpress blog using a template that has been DL'ed millions of times, and expect people to take you seriously...

Some people think you can use a PLR article and blast it on multiple PR sites and expect great results.

I think the internet has changed... visitors expect more.

So I think a good start is to Focus more on Design...

Don't just use the standard templates... mod it up, spend a few HOURS (not minutes) using photoshop (and other design programs) to create a real eye catching blog header image... Take your time.. A well designed logo/header is priceless.

The second place to start is to actually READ your PLR article... and make necessary changes to it. Ideally you want to write your own article...
When I read some of the PLR's I buy, its obvious that either a:
1) A kid overseas wrote the article
2) The article doesnt feel natural (if it was used in a article spin software)
3) The article doesn really grab the reader and force him to make take an action (click the link)

The problem is millions of IM'ers using the SAME cookie cutter approach.

Be Unique. Standout. Make offer people can't refuse. Do research.

I'd love to hear other OVERLOOKED steps in IM's
#iming #overlooked #step
  • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel ED
    Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

    The problem is millions of IM'ers using the SAME cookie cutter approach.
    Mhm, a.k.a "Shortcuts"

    Most Overlooked Step in IM? One Word - "Niche Research"

    Get the Statistics right, don't just gamble and guess and hope your efforts will payoff. Again, don't just jump into something just because Mr. Joe made a couple of bucks in 7 mins.

    This whole "Following the Crowd" approach is what makes many newbie IM'ers fail at Internet Marketing and before they know it, they've spent 2 years online with nothing to show for it - Sad but True.

    Again who's to blame?

    There's thousands of eBooks out there that promise a Million bucks a Day with CPA, and Millions More preaching that Affiliate Marketing is the Freakin' easiest way to make Thousands a Day - Information Overload, Yeah.
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    • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
      Originally Posted by Emmanuel Inyang View Post

      Mhm, a.k.a "Shortcuts"

      Most Overlooked Step in IM? One Word - "Niche Research"

      Get the Statistics right, don't just gamble and guess and hope your efforts will payoff. Again, don't just jump into something just because Mr. Joe made a couple of bucks in 7 mins.

      This whole "Following the Crowd" approach is what makes many newbie IM'ers fail at Internet Marketing and before they know it, they've spent 2 years online with nothing to show for it - Sad but True.

      Again who's to blame?

      There's thousands of eBooks out there that promise a Million bucks a Day with CPA, and Millions More preaching that Affiliate Marketing is the Freakin' easiest way to make Thousands a Day - Information Overload, Yeah.

      Great point!... Def have to do proper research...

      In all reality, it takes a few minutes to setup a blog and slap a PLR article on... So newbies tend to use the blanket approach.. setting up dozens of crappy blogs or posting crappy plr's instead of taking time and doing hardcore niche research...

      I like that! great point.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
      Originally Posted by Emmanuel Inyang View Post

      Mhm, a.k.a "Shortcuts"

      Most Overlooked Step in IM? One Word - "Niche Research"

      Get the Statistics right, don't just gamble and guess and hope your efforts will payoff. Again, don't just jump into something just because Mr. Joe made a couple of bucks in 7 mins.

      This whole "Following the Crowd" approach is what makes many newbie IM'ers fail at Internet Marketing and before they know it, they've spent 2 years online with nothing to show for it - Sad but True.

      Again who's to blame?

      There's thousands of eBooks out there that promise a Million bucks a Day with CPA, and Millions More preaching that Affiliate Marketing is the Freakin' easiest way to make Thousands a Day - Information Overload, Yeah.
      Definitely agree, people often see the research as something you actually do after, like pick a niche, buy a site then do research.

      Keyword/Niche research is so important, difference between building your business on the rocks or on the sand.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruth P
    I think the most overlooked step is often "work"! I know all of us who have made money know it does take work, the trouble is that a lot of so-called "experts" who simply make money selling to newbies make out like you can make thousands in your first few hours, or that you can press a button and watch the money roll in. I guess the fact that it takes real work - not to mention time to get going before you can live off your earnings full time - is what leads to a lot of people quitting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Lotter
    Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post


    The problem is millions of IM'ers using the SAME cookie cutter approach.

    Be Unique. Standout. Make offer people can't refuse. Do research.
    I think you make a good point there, Gary. There are most likely hundreds, if not thousands of people promoting the same thing you are, so you have to consider what sets you apart from everyone else.

    Think about what makes your website / blog / offer unique.
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    • Profile picture of the author NeilC
      Running a business and not just trying out the latest "secret."

      Unfortunately some don't seem to want to hear it like that because
      it sounds a bit boring compared to secrets, unleashed, revealed...

      All just marketing though and there's nothing wrong with a bit of
      fun along the way, as long as you have your plan and business
      model in place and are prepared to work at it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrea Wilson
    The most over-looked step in internet marketing is taking action! How many times have we seen a person that keeps on getting another WSO right after another? They keep on reading but lack time to implement what they've read. Sometimes once they decide to do so, their techniques are already mixed up and they tend to use the usual money making methods, stuffing PLR, forgetting keyword research etc...


    Andrea
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    • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel ED
      Originally Posted by Andrea Wilson View Post

      The most over-looked step in internet marketing is taking action! How many times have we seen a person that keeps on getting another WSO right after another? They keep on reading but lack time to implement what they've read. Sometimes once they decide to do so, their techniques are already mixed up and they tend to use the usual money making methods, stuffing PLR, forgetting keyword research etc...


      Andrea
      I agree with you on Taking Action. Taking Action the "Most Important" Step in Internet Marketing (infact it applies to everything in life). I'd rather not say it's overlooked, these folks know they have to Take Action on Information they just read but they just can't do it out of Laziness (or maybe Lack of Capital).

      Again, the Information Overload part comes in here or maybe it's us Information Marketers making it sound like there's no work involved. You know the popular headlines like "SEO Vetran shows you how to get your site on the first page of Google with ten clicks of the Mouse" or perhaps "Give me three Seconds and I'll show you how you can make *Insert Huge Sum Here* within 3 hours". Huge Promises. . .much Hype.

      Internet Marketing is not what it used to be 4 years ago I'll have to say.

      @Neil Morgan That was a cool article, really enjoyed that!
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    I don't know about "overlooked" but I would say it's vitally important to know your numbers because it can make the difference between losing your shirt and buying lots of new ones.

    We've discussed it before so I won't go into the details here but I simply could not run my business without knowing one number - visitor value.

    I call it "The Magic Number" and blogged about it if anyone's interested in the minutia.

    The Magic Number | AutoResponse Plus Blog

    Cheers,

    Neil
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    Actually. Doing. Something.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kym Lawn
      Finishing a project.
      So many of us, myself included, have jumped from one thing to another without following through and finishing what we started.
      Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
    GOOD one Kym!!!!

    I myself am guilty of that... I have like a dozen unfinished projects...
    I don't consider myself a "newbie" but I think its impulsive IM'ing and opportunistic thinking.. Sometimes I feel I can do 100 things at once, when I shouldnt... Something i need to stop doing =)
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    "Business Plan". The times I have had to go back to the beginning with people I mentor is truly unbelievable. I would say more than 75% of the people who go into IM don't ever consider the fundamentals or have a plan, they just read a few forums, throw up a site, do the usual link/traffic stuff for a month then panic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Master the basics before you go jumping on the latest fad, and when you do jump on one dont replace the basics with it

    Fads are things you do along side basics
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    • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
      Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      Master the basics before you go jumping on the latest fad, and when you do jump on one dont replace the basics with it

      Fads are things you do along side basics
      So few words yet this (IMO) is among the best advice I've seen in this forum all year. Unfortunately it's the most overlooked and no doubt will continue to be.

      Lee
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    When it comes to design, uniqueness is more
    important than aesthetics. Which helps to
    explain why Craigslist is so popular

    Some other things I consider important:
    - A newsletter with quality content(99% don't do this)
    - A focus on personal branding to build trust
    - Selling your own products instead of selling other people's stuff
    (the difference between being a leader or a follower).

    Tyrus
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    • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
      Originally Posted by Tyrus Antas View Post

      - Selling your own products instead of selling other people's stuff
      (the difference between being a leader or a follower).
      You make great points.. But I believe newbies should NOT create their own product right away.. I think they should study the market/niche, study the product they are promoting.. Build a high quality site, then once they feel they can create a rival product... then go for it.

      It may be too overwhelming for newbs to build up a website, do their research, focus on design, link building, AND create their own product which may require programming, hiring people... etc.. from the start.

      Of coarse owning your own product is great, as I have developed multiple products... it is ALOT of work though... And in the end, If they decide to list on CB..they end up making 50% anyway.. (which they might as well be an affiliate of a real high quality product)

      Basically, use your strengths to your advantage... Good at design? create a "shock and awe" kind of site.. great writer? write a few awesome well thought out pieces that dont stop short of providing massive information...
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  • Profile picture of the author Takuya Hikichi
    I like the question, I can think of two things.

    1. Business models, tactics or strategies from outside the industry can be applied to Internet Marketing. It's easy for anyone to look and copy what others do within the industry, but often the greatest hidden insights are found in places where we don't realize existed.

    2. Profiting more from existing assets. So if we have 1000 people on our list, are there better way to cross promote, upsell, downsell, JV, etc. Often our focus is external, like how fast we could build our email list, but what about benefiting more from the existing assets?
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    • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
      The second part of your reply is great... Blend in a new offer to your existing contacts..even if it is in a different niche.

      The key is creativity..

      But i would caution some limits on that... Make sure the niche's are not SOOO far apart
      for example: Forex niche, and Dating.. lol

      Unless you want to cross promote something like:
      "Find single Forex Traders in your area"

      HAHA JK...
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Neil is close to what I was going to get at here.

    Business is a numbers game. I don't care if you are selling ebooks or hamburgers.

    So knowing how much income you need to operate and make a profit is the most overlooked.

    Too many people start out looking at monthly searches for keywords but your first thing to figure out when starting a business is your overhead for running the type of business your in.

    Your commission % per sale, and conversion rates will tell you how much traffic you need.

    Profit = Traffic x Conversion x Commission

    So running out and trying to research traffic without knowing anything else about their funnel is probably the cause of a lot problems right out of the gate.
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    • Profile picture of the author FredJones
      When you say "most overlooked", do you actually mean the number of items overlooked (pun not intended)?

      Most of the things are overlooked by more than 90% people. Like it or not, that's the reality.

      Many of the things are overlooked by the next 7-8%.

      The remaining 2-3% look into enough number of things to make the business stand. And only 1 in 10000 (my guessmark number, could be anything in reality) overlook too few a number of things to become a guru.

      What are overlooked? Many points have already been listed in the earlier posts, so lets not go into those. Here are some other ones:

      (1) Leverage - this is never maximized by 99% of the successful IM'ers. The right kind of "leverage" of all of your assets could make your business grow geometrically during its initial phase of life rather than linearly or in any sub-linear curve.
      (2) The power of geometry - this is something that most people do not understand. Compute x raised to the power y. Increate y to (y+1) and notice how rapidly the value changes. Can you exploit this mathematical property?
      (3) Human value interchange - this is a strange fact many people tend to forget. My dear IM'er, the buyer is also a human being. Respect his/her reality. If nothing, that is going to add your value in their eyes. This is an extension of what "guru"s call building relationship - but it does not have to be inside the list. It needs to start at your web site. How? Rake your brains - if you are serious in your business you are going to find answers.
      (4) The value of customer desire - never convince your customer in what they need. They know what they desire and that is exactly what they are going to buy, no matter what. The best that you can do, if you are helpful, is to marry what they want with what you think that they need. That is NOT going to increase your sales though. If you want to hide the human face (I would never do that, and more so in health-like critical super-niches) then you may promote what they desire to have without caring for what they need. This may give you some serious money. Personally I don't do that - I promote what they desire only if I think they also need that - this keeps my conscience clean and I maintain my values.
      (5) Value of social trust on your real estate - well, this is incredible. One will take 5-10 years to really build it and profit for it for the whole lifetime. An example of such trust is the Warrior Forum. This is one of the best values you could grow over time.
      (6) Branding - now, since many in IM are looking for a quick buck, how many even go to think till this stage? Gosh, I feel like shooting myself on my own foot now and then after reading some comments here and there, now and then.

      There are many more in my mind, but let's stop here. All I meant is that we - most of us - overlook everything but the carrot hanging near our nose and people who manage to see two carrots rather than one are usually successful at a relative scale. Not many people see the third carrot and practically none sees beyond those carrots.
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    Perseverance and hard work
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    - Creating something compelling and unique
    - Niche and market research (which is NOT just using the Google Keyword Tool)
    - Conversion Rate Optimizatoin
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  • Profile picture of the author jinglee
    I'm sorry TL;DR..

    But reading the title and speaking for myself, I would say that the biggest problem is in looking back at the ROI - the returns on my efforts. As long as things are going smooth, I did not care to look out for warning signals - like was my high Adsense revenue more because of increasing pageviews or because it was a temporary high paying advertising campaign...Was my website traffic too dependent on one or two particular keywords,etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    If I could go back in time and change what I did when I started... I would have thought about list building from day one. I think that this still continues to be the most overlooked thing for IMers. I read a lot of posts that say, "I have decided to start a list after a couple of years" or something to that effect. Start thinking list building from day one!
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    great post nerdgary.
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    • Profile picture of the author malaika
      I would add strategy and a daily work plan. Yes I know, there is the dreaded word....work! Truth is work you must, and without a daily work plan or a solid strategy, you will be running round in circles like a headless chicken. No one made big bucks online though guess work and pure luck.
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    hard work and determination
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  • Profile picture of the author Slade556
    Sticking with projects you have started and actually FINISHING them. Many IMers jump from fad to fad, method to method (I've been guilty of this before also) without finishing several projects they have started. 'Shiny object syndrome' is the biggest pitfall of internet marketing in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    The most overlooked step is knowing your numbers. Even with corporate clients I have to get them to go back and focus on knowing "how many", "how much", costs, tracking conversion numbers, knowing their breakeven point, etc. In the ten years I've been online I've only met a handful of marketers who knew all their important numbers before they started any project and obtained their important numbers (such as conversions) as quickly as possible.

    I learned this lesson in the late 1990s from a Warrior named Marlon Sanders. Too bad I didn't pay attention to his advice until the year 2001.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    So...

    I must admit that I read all of the above answers with great interest, but I was left with the following question:

    How many of these responses are based on people knowing what they SHOULD be doing but aren't? How many are based on what was overcome?

    (If you follow)

    I'm not pointing any fingers, but I thought it was an interesting thing to consider.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author IMAdam
    Well, to answer the initial question you asked, I think the most important thing people overlook is demand for a product or service. If you cannot determine there is enough demand for something and the willingness in people to spend money on that product/service, you are wasting time.

    As for your second point, I have sites that are as simple as they come and convert just fine. It's all about positioning your promotions in the right spots.
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