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Joshua Rigley

Banned 12 years ago

I say good for you. You can only get better by working for one of the big players.

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barbling

12 years ago

Everything happens in its right time, and nobody can judge unless one walks in the same path.

Best of skill in your new venture!

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Alexander Sebastian 12 years ago

Fair play man,keep it up!
Where about in the uk are you from?
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- ukcarl 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by alexio
  
  Fair play man,keep it up!
  Where about in the uk are you from?
  
  Im near Bradford The job I got is in Leeds
  
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  Alexander Sebastian 12 years ago
  
  cool man , good luck with it.
  
  You cant go wrong working with successful companies.
  
  Underselling LOL , someones not very positive today :p
  
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Gaurav Duggal

12 years ago

I think its a smart Idea. Learn by working for a professional firm and keep building your business on the side. Eventually you will be able to choose which one suits you more, and you will have gained much in the process.

I have a friend in IM who just did the same thing, and he tells me that working for a large firm give him a lot of confidence in his own abilities as well

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inter123

12 years ago

Just an opinion....I would not say you sold out but undersold yourself. In London, UK the average salary was over £30,000 a few years ago and the rest of the county is not far behind. If working full time (35+ hours) its not a great deal but that's just my opinion....Then again I understand the recession has resulted in a decline in salaries in the tech sector, the only people who are receiving handsome bonuses etc are the bankers!!!

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ukcarl

12 years ago

Originally Posted by inter123

Just an opinion....I would not say you sold out but undersold yourself. In London, UK the average salary was over £30,000 a few years ago and the rest of the county is not far behind. If working full time (35+ hours) its not a great deal but that's just my opinion.

I know what your saying but its up for review in 6 month and I never worked for a company before just myself, a year and a half ago I was a joiner /carpenter.

I just want to learn more and grow. Top PPC guys here are on like 40,000+

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inter123 12 years ago

From what I understand self-employed carpenters can make more money then doctors, lawyers, etc on a decent salary.

Originally Posted by ukcarl

...a year and a half ago I was a joiner /carpenter.
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- ukcarl 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by inter123
  
  From what I understand self-employed carpenters can make more money then doctors, lawyers, etc on a decent salary.
  
  That can be true but we have been in a recession so work has been tight, plus I had a pretty nasty injury to my knee a couple of years ago.
  
  Another advantage of having a a salary coming in would be I can buy some property to renovate as I have saved quite a nice little nest egg over the 7 years I was a joiner.
  
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vok

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ukcarl

I know what your saying but its up for review in 6 month and I never worked for a company before just myself, a year and a half ago I was a joiner /carpenter.

I just want to learn more and grow. Top PPC guys here are on like 40,000+

Learning PPC with someone elses money has got to be the second greatest thing since the internet itself was invented.

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jonat2005

12 years ago

Good luck bro. Enjoy your good returns

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good2go4

12 years ago

I don't think it is a case of selling out - I think you are just learning in a different way - you have a gorgous kiddie in your profile pic, good enough reason as any to work for a big company and just think how much your own business efforts will improve with the new skills you will learn.

best of luck with all of it

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Karen Blundell 12 years ago

you do what you think is right...and best of luck to you in your new job!
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donhx 12 years ago

Originally Posted by good2go4

I don't think it is a case of selling out - I think you are just learning in a different way ...
Lisa

I agree. You gotta go with the flow. Good on ya.
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Kevin Williams

12 years ago

Just make sure you keep working on your affiliate ventures and what-not in your spare time. Don't settle for $35,000 a year!

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AprilCT 12 years ago

I don't consider that selling out.

You do what you need to do at the time that is best. That's the smart way to handle things. Next year or a few years in the future, that could change back, too. In the meantime, build up a real business on the side, and you can always make different decisions about what you want to do later.
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Intrepreneur

12 years ago

Invest a lot of your earnings and eventually you'll sell out again - only this time from your job

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993rs

12 years ago

Going by your avatar you've got a littlen so having the stability of having a secure job is great for you and your family. £22K Out of London is a very good salary. I think where you've done particularly well is that you have got a job in PPC company so you are bound to learn some top marketing skills and get paid for it at the same time!

Im sure what you'll learn from this company will have a positive effect on your IM.

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Louise Green

12 years ago

I doubt your child will think you're selling out by providing him/her with a comfortable lifestyle, and that's the most important opinion of all.

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Jesus Perez

12 years ago

Theres no such thing as selling out. It's called living and adapting.

But if it makes you feel better, in 1 year, you can launch a PPC product and use the real world experience you've gained to increase sales.

"Fortune 500 PPC Manager Quits After 1 Year...
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"And Now Those Same Secrets Can Be Yours!!"

This job can become your greatest "proof". Ever seen the ex-google WSO's?

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TelZilla

12 years ago

As for selling out, no you didn't. You got a job in a field that will increase your knowledge and experience in internet marketing. In no way is that selling out. Of course you may want to take the advice of Jesus Perez below...

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

But if it makes you feel better, in 1 year, you can launch a PPC product and use the real world experience you've gained to increase sales.

"Fortune 500 PPC Manager Quits After 1 Year...
...and Retires Off the Secrets He Learned...."

"And Now Those Same Secrets Can Be Yours!!"

This job can become your greatest "proof".

This is a great idea and you should at least think about it long term. The stuff you will learn working with a PPC company will definitely give you the knowledge and experience to write one heck of a great book.

Ever seen the ex-google WSO's?

Have you seen what some of the ex-googlers are doing online now? Several have become multi-millionaires just from what they learned at the big G, and a lot more are involved in some very cool startups.

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sbucciarel

Banned 12 years ago

I say congratulations. Doing what you want to do and feel is best is not selling out. Good luck to you in your new job.

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genietoast 12 years ago

I say do what you feel's best. You have the advantage of having corporate knowledge and dealing with big businesses while you deal with a small business audience on the side.

Nice to have a steady income as you learn.

PLUS...

You'll get valuable experience in customer service which helps you deal with your targeted audience online as well.

Congrats.
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- SantiSantana 12 years ago
  
  You are an IMer. You go to work on PPC for a big company. How is that more a sell out than an enhancing experience to what you already do?
  
  If you told me I quit IM to work as a consultant for a furniture company based on what I used to do (carpentry) I might (just might) think you sold out a little and that thought stops when i see the lil one beside you. Family is priority number one over anything else.
  
  Instead you are going to work for a big co in a field VERY closely related to IM, with a number of people BETTER QUALIFIED who can TEACH YOU a thing or two, stuff that you can then use in YOUR OWN business, which incidentally you will be STILL WORKING ON.
  
  You didn´t sell out. You bought in. Lucky b*st*rd
  
  EDIT: TO the one that spoke about the average salary in London being 30k. I lived in London for 6 years. It´s an average. The tip of that iceberg (The City) Is what made that average so high. Outside of financial services in the city the story is rather different.
  
  I was a store manager for Caffe Nero and i can tell you not a single Store manager was on that bracket. In fact you would need to look at supermarkets to find that bracket. Places like House of Fraser, Pret, Topshop (I had friends in management in all of those and some more) will tel lyou the reality is different. ANd we are talking managers here, not ground level staff.
  
  22k Living in Bradford (cheaper than London) is definitely a good starting salary.
  
  just my 2 cents ( or pennies, or pence, )
  
  Good luck with it. I´m sure you will out grow them fast enough.
  
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Gavin Abeyratne

12 years ago

More cash = more capital, in the worst case scenario you just quit

I'm sure the cheeky little man in your pic will appreciate the consistent income!

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Ruby Rynne

12 years ago

Nah, that's not selling out. That's ninja infiltration, industrial espionage. Not illegal if they get them to PAY you to do it. Kudos

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paulie888

12 years ago

I don't think you're selling out as well. I'd think of it as more of "on the job" training that you can take away and use with your own affiliate marketing!

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ukcarl

12 years ago

Wow cheers everyone for the supportive responses

My thought was I could take this job as its secure guaranteed money every month and I will work on my own business mostly SEO and list building now and build it up over the long term.

Most of my money at the minute comes from paid social media advertising like POF and Facebook, but it is constant maintenance and I dont really see it as a business more of an income stream, basically if I turn my adds off that income stream stops.

Gonna get back into building SEO sites thats where the real long term income is, it just takes time to get there. Sold a lot of my old sites but what I have left about 5 bring in about £800-1000 a month and they are only relativley small gonna just build them out in my spare time and get them ranking better for more keywords

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Steven Wagenheim 12 years ago

Do what makes you happy. Everything else is irrelevant.
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- John Romaine 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  Do what makes you happy. Everything else is irrelevant.
  
  Does this apply to relationships as well Wags?
  
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  Steven Wagenheim 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ramone_johnny
  
  Does this apply to relationships as well Wags?
  
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Lauryn

12 years ago

You are being paid to further your personal education for your own business. How the heck is that selling out ?

Now if you said, 'Man I'm freaking out this IM thing is capsizing, and I took "a regular job anywhere" ' , then it would probably be the case but you're still doing what matters to YOU.

Don't let a bunch of folks on a forum allow you to feel any type of way about what you're doing!

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Gary King

12 years ago

How does making money make you a sell out?

Congrats! Enjoy the cash, learn everything you can, and keep moving forward!

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Kay King 12 years ago

No one should apologize or justify earning a living! Many people here have full time or part time jobs even though they also earn online. It's another way to have the precious "multiple streams of income"...or two baskets for your eggs:p

In this rough economy, you are taking care of yourself and family, you are planning for a future. That's something to be proud of - not to feel badly about. You are not begging for help, or whining about your circumstances - you are doing what needs to be done.

Understand that it's easy for some to claim "jobs are bad" or "you should work for yourself" - but realize, too, that many of those people are new to IM or aren't paying their own bills.

On a news site I found the statement below so I think you are doing fine for a starting salary.

The typical Briton earns an annual salary of £23,244

(that number was published this year)
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Jack Duncan

12 years ago

ukcarl,
Sounds like you had a great opportunity hit you up and you took advantage of it.

You'll probably learn a ton of great tricks that you can use down the road, and you'll get to make some good money at the same time.

Sounds like a win win.

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Fernando Veloso

12 years ago

I see it as a good move,cause IF it wasn't, you would have said NO.

So enjoy the show and be ready to use new knowledge into your advantage.

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ukcarl

12 years ago

Just thought I would update this thread now since its been nearly 2 month since I started it and started my new job, got my accounts now I have a £40,000 account a £12,000 account and a £7,000 account all in Adwords, this is not to mention helping out with colleagues accounts the company in total just in Adwords PPC spend £1.3M a month.

Im already getting a tonne better working with such volume and have set up 2 personal campaigns one is a CPA offer that is making about £50-60 a day and another building a list which is breaking even for my sign ups, but Im hoping is gonna kill it with my auto responder series.

Am happy to help on this subject, so if anyone has any questions please ask them

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ExRat

12 years ago

Hi ukcarl,

You might not be able to (or want to) divulge, but I'll ask anyway -

a) what kind of software do they use for PPC management/research - is it in house, or commercially available? Can you name the tools or tell us what type of tasks it carries out - IE - research, bidding etc.

b) after a little time/experience in the job, what advice would you give someone else thinking of pushing further into that sphere of business, perhaps doing what your company does for clients?

Also, what barriers do you think people need to overcome to get to the same level? Or aren't there many/any?

c) how do companies generally get paid for PPC management for clients - percentage, per project etc?

d) what sort of size of company uses a company like this and are they clients that have offline businesses looking to expand onto the internet, or are they opening new sidelines online, or are they purely online?

e) as a company do they only work with Adwords?

I have about 1000 other things I'd like to ask, but I guess that would be rude

Congrats on holding down your job, I hope you're soaking up lots of useful knowledge and making plenty of coin.

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ukcarl

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi ukcarl,

You might not be able to (or want to) divulge, but I'll ask anyway -

a) what kind of software do they use for PPC management/research - is it in house, or commercially available? Can you name the tools or tell us what type of tasks it carries out - IE - research, bidding etc.

b) after a little time/experience in the job, what advice would you give someone else thinking of pushing further into that sphere of business, perhaps doing what your company does for clients?

Also, what barriers do you think people need to overcome to get to the same level? Or aren't there many/any?

c) how do companies generally get paid for PPC management for clients - percentage, per project etc?

d) what sort of size of company uses a company like this and are they clients that have offline businesses looking to expand onto the internet, or are they opening new sidelines online, or are they purely online?

e) as a company do they only work with Adwords?

I have about 1000 other things I'd like to ask, but I guess that would be rude

Congrats on holding down your job, I hope you're soaking up lots of useful knowledge and making plenty of coin.

For tracking we use Trade Doublers tracking which has just recently been updated and the software is called Marin its really good, also we do competitor analysis with a realy cool tool called Adthena both are paid tools though.

I cant really give names for companies we promote however they are all mostly offline like finance, cosmetic, Travel, retail and then just online big Gambleing sites and bingo.

Starting out in this industry if I were considering it for myself (which I may) I would say to probably start a little more local rather than going straight for the big ticket clients.

Payment from clients is usually on a percentage of spend usually from as low as 7% right up to 15-20% for example the £40,000 account I manage is about 8% but thats 8% of 40,0000 (£3,200/month) where as I know my £12,000 client is 14% (£1680/month).

As far as who these companies work with it varies on the niche however many have multiple stratergies we deal with including Google/MSN/Yahoo, Facebook Ads, SEO and social media (Twitter Facebook)

Hope this helps

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Daniel Brock

12 years ago

Here's an idea for ya.

Learn what you can from the PPC firm, take the money you make from working at the PPC firm and start your own profitable PPC campaigns LOL.

Thats what I call sticking it to the man

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ukcarl

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

Here's an idea for ya.

Learn what you can from the PPC firm, take the money you make from working at the PPC firm and start your own profitable PPC campaigns LOL.

Thats what I call sticking it to the man

Exactly what Im doing got 2 campaigns up doing ok already

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StevenJones

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ukcarl

That's right I've gone back to work.

Its a pretty sweet deal though working with a PPC firm starting on £22,000 ($35,000) a year, also I am already doing quite well with my affiliate stuff which Im gonna keep some of the lower maintanance stuff going this nearly doubles what they will be starting paying me.

Just wondered what everyones thoughts were would you say I sold out.

I am still an entrepreneur at heart but this is a big firm and I figured I can learn a lot and potentialy earn a lot, plus I can still build my business on the side

Sounds like you got a plan there carl. I wish you luck and joy in this new year.

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Lauryn

12 years ago

Congrats! That sounds GREAT!

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terryd

12 years ago

Since when is looking after your family "selling out"?

Not only are you getting paid to do something that you enjoy you also get to learn without spending all your own money.

I think it's a great move and will only help you and your own online businesses to be more successful.

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