Can you settle a dispute?

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Hi there,

As some of you know I have been running a couple of WSOs - cheap ones just to get my feet wet, type thing. But after I started one today I had a couple of people PM me and ask if they could have a copy for free - as a review. Well I don't think reviews are that credible if someone has been given something for free, so I gave them the link to the product anyway and told them that no review was necessary. In the first WSO I ran, because it was for newbies I gave away copies of that to people who could PM or email me and tell me why they needed it, and I sold a few copies as well.

BUT hubby has now pointed out how in heavens name am I meant to be making a full time income from IM if I keep giving things away? I can see his point but I am a 'pay it forward" type of person and figure if I give enough away sooner or later people will start paying me for what I know.

Am I being naive and just getting ripped off or does someone out there see my point?

Just interested in other people's opinions on this

Thanks
Lisa
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Rigley
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    Nothing wrong with giving free copies to newbies. Still, you shouldn't publicize the fact, otherwise it would kill your sales.

    If you're going to give away free copies of your product, consider doing the following:

    Ask them for their feedback. It doesn't have to be a review, just what they think of your product. It's a great way to improve your product.

    Ask them to opt-in to your list. They don't have to opt-in to get the product, but it's a good idea to be able to stay in contact.

    Lastly, don't give TOO much stuff away, otherwise you may have a hard time selling to your prospects.

    My suggestion:

    Have some WSO's where it's 100% free for everyone, and some where you have to pay for it. Offer some review copies at the start if you want, but after that, BE FIRM with your price. I'm not saying you can't make an exception if you feel it's the right thing to do, just don't give away a copy to anyone who asks for it.

    Most products don't cost too much. If they're not willing to pay for it, then they're probably just wasting their time (and yours).

    My 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
    Hey Lisa

    It's a fine line.

    One of the things to do is to check the people asking for review copies and see if they have "added" value to the forum.

    If not don't give them one.

    Also, some people are professional "reviewers" and what they say really doesn't hold much sway so forget them too.

    If you are going to provide review copies state that in your WSO and also the rules that apply - such as must XXX posts, must have run own successful WSO's etc.

    Hope that helps

    Regards

    Bronwyn and Keith
    PS. Hubby was half right.
    Originally Posted by good2go4 View Post

    Hi there,

    As some of you know I have been running a couple of WSOs - cheap ones just to get my feet wet, type thing. But after I started one today I had a couple of people PM me and ask if they could have a copy for free - as a review. Well I don't think reviews are that credible if someone has been given something for free, so I gave them the link to the product anyway and told them that no review was necessary. In the first WSO I ran, because it was for newbies I gave away copies of that to people who could PM or email me and tell me why they needed it, and I sold a few copies as well.

    BUT hubby has now pointed out how in heavens name am I meant to be making a full time income from IM if I keep giving things away? I can see his point but I am a 'pay it forward" type of person and figure if I give enough away sooner or later people will start paying me for what I know.

    Am I being naive and just getting ripped off or does someone out there see my point?

    Just interested in other people's opinions on this

    Thanks
    Lisa
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  • Profile picture of the author redflea13
    I think it would be good to give a sample of the product. Just enough info to get them interested in buying the whole thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
    People aren't supposed to ask for a review copy so report those who do.

    Giving out a few copies to people for feedback is a good thing to do and will get you some testimonials but do it on your terms.

    As to giving things away, nothing wrong with it but remember, there are a lot of leeches who will just always take and never spend a dime with you. So watch that you don't get known as the "soft touch"...lol.

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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      Unsolicited request for review copies are just tacky!

      TMG is right! Its also against the forum rules.

      This isn't about paying it forward, there are many other ways you can pay it forward. As a matter of fact a WSO even if it cost's money is a form of paying it forward because your pricing is supposed to be lower then if you were selling it on your own site or elsewhere. Additionally your WSO should offer some "good" value as well.

      If you want to give some sample of your work away for free pick and choose who you give it to, and ask for an HONEST review. This way you can leverage their status on the forums to your advantage and more newbies will get your product.


      Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

      People aren't supposed to ask for a review copy so report those who do.

      Giving out a few copies to people for feedback is a good thing to do and will get you some testimonials but do it on your terms.

      As to giving things away, nothing wrong with it but remember, there are a lot of leeches who will just always take and never spend a dime with you. So watch that you don't get known as the "soft touch"...lol.

      Tina
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    • Profile picture of the author Sardent
      I was thinking about this subject just today.

      I want to give a couple review copies, but I was thinking about limiting it to certain criteria like - 3 copies but only for - must be a war room member, must have an account over 2 years old, perhaps so many posts or thanks or something along those lines.
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      • Profile picture of the author good2go4
        Originally Posted by Sardent View Post

        I was thinking about this subject just today.

        I want to give a couple review copies, but I was thinking about limiting it to certain criteria like - 3 copies but only for - must be a war room member, must have an account over 2 years old, perhaps so many posts or thanks or something along those lines.
        Might sound like a silly question to ask, but do War Room members with accounts over 2 years old still buy WSOs? Most of my products I have targeted at newbies and people who have not made any money yet.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          Think about this...if someone is a newbie who hasn't made a dime yet, how are they able to truly evaluate your product?

          You need someone more experienced in whatever the model is to read it and say 'yes, someone can make money with this' or 'no, this won't work'.

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  • Profile picture of the author dv8domainsDotCom
    i believe it comes down to a matter of credibility and legitamacy. 5-dollar freebie here and there but your payment should be a well thought out, honest (hopefully positive!) review. There is no free. At some point your legitamacy should (and will) stand on it's own and there are people that WILL buy on your reputation alone (and I've seen many WSO to that affect). I have to admit, he's right, but only partially IMO. Payment doesn't always have to come from something that can fit in your wallet
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  • Profile picture of the author good2go4
    Thanks for your responses, everyone

    @Joshua - that is a more sensible way of doing things, thank you

    @Bronwyn and Keith - I can't tell him that he will get big headed, lol

    @Redflea - you make a good point

    @ Tina - yes that had crossed my mind; gosh now mayby hubby was right, and I will never live that down, lol

    @ Darryl - yes that was my idea too at the start, but when I end up giving away more than I make then maybe I need to start thinking about the whole idea of giving in terms of "time and place"

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Petal
    You have to give away to a certain extend to build your business but weed out the free riders who want everything under the sun for free including my pants....lol
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Giving away review copies to someone who is more experienced will provide a more pragmatic viewpoint of the content in your WSO. In addition to that, people viewing your WSO thread will appreciate the typically more detailed and knowledgeable reviews that the experienced members can provide.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    I agree with maybe going for more experienced Warriors to review your product. Put it in your WSO that you are offering 3 or 4 review copies and have a criteria that they need to meet to ask for a review copy. Member for 2 years, a minimum post count, war room member, I don't know, you're choice what to aim for. But like it was said above, newbies are not as experienced to give a really good review.
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      In my view, people who blatantly ask for "review copies" are just freebie seekers and scammers.

      Would you go into a shop and say "can I have a free vacuum cleaner so that I can review it"? Of course you wouldn't.

      Asking for review copies is against the rules of the WSO forum. I would strongly recommend that you NEVER send a review copy to someone asking for it, unless you know who they are and have corresponded with them first. The rest are, basically, scammers who are trying their luck - and finding a sucker (you!) who is falling for their scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author AFI
    I think what I would do is set aside a certain number for "reviewers". Maybe like 10-15 or even lower if that's too high for you. Then once that number has been reached, tell the others that you've already allotted your amount out for reviews.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I've done a handful of reviews, but it's always been for people who have asked me - privately - to do so. And I've done it as a personal favor, not as a means to score a free product.

      My opinion?

      > If someone asks you for a review copy, politely inform them that they are breaking the forum rules and you won't participate.

      > If someone asks straight up for a freebie, with or without an accompanying tale of woe, follow your conscience. But keep in mind that no one ever paid the light bill with good feelings.

      > If you want reviews, hand pick a number of people who fit whatever criteria you want to use, and just ask them if they'll check out your product and give you feedback. If they like it, ask permission to use their comments or to post a review. If they don't like it, see if there is something you can do to improve the product.

      Disclaimer: This opinion was free, and may be worth every penny paid...
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      • Profile picture of the author good2go4
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        I've done a handful of reviews, but it's always been for people who have asked me - privately - to do so. And I've done it as a personal favor, not as a means to score a free product.

        My opinion?

        > If someone asks you for a review copy, politely inform them that they are breaking the forum rules and you won't participate.

        > If someone asks straight up for a freebie, with or without an accompanying tale of woe, follow your conscience. But keep in mind that no one ever paid the light bill with good feelings.

        > If you want reviews, hand pick a number of people who fit whatever criteria you want to use, and just ask them if they'll check out your product and give you feedback. If they like it, ask permission to use their comments or to post a review. If they don't like it, see if there is something you can do to improve the product.

        Disclaimer: This opinion was free, and may be worth every penny paid...
        I hadn't realised until I wrote this thread that asking for reviews was against the rules of the forum which kinda makes me feel a bit silly - 1) for not knowing and 2) because I felt almost obligated to give out review copies - my own silly fault.

        The fact about not being able to pay the light bill with good feelings is a valid point and (even though I don't like to say it) one my husband had made very clearly - hence the original dispute, lol

        I think with future WSOs (if I can afford to put them up, haha) I will focus on getting some reviews before the product is launched and then as you say go with my conscience from there.

        Thanks John and to everyone else who voiced their opinions - they would have been worth paying for, lol.

        best wishes
        Lisa
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Most people asking for review copies are freeloaders you will never here from again. Check their posts and only engage them if they are obviously adding value to the forum and will give you a decent review in your sales thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    There are some that seem to be full time reviewers/pests, that ignore the rule completely. For reasons unbeknown to me they appear to get away with it as well.

    You will see on several WSOs that a few people post "Sent you a PM" at the top of the thread. If you look through their history you will see it is what they always say at the start of someones WSO.

    It's clear what they are up to, but so far they have avoided being flogged with a dead haddock, which is of course what they so richly deserve.

    If you do give out a review copy, make sure you check their past posts first. Supporting scroungers is not the way to push this forum or your product forward.

    That is not to say I don't think offering a review copy or two is wrong. However, this PM'ing to get around the rules really bugs me.

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    • Profile picture of the author Muhammad Hassan
      Hi Lisa

      It's good that you want to make money. It's good
      that you want to pay it forward or help people.

      Here's how you can do both.

      Continue to use the main discussion forum to 'pay
      it forward'. Answer people's questions, provide help
      and give good quality info that fellow warriors can use.

      Continue to build up a reputation of being someone
      who is helpful and someone who provide good,
      useful information.

      You can then sell WSOs or other products and your
      reputation helps you get more buyers.

      You are paying it forward by contributing to the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author good2go4
    I should have posted this thread ages ago; I would be far better off now if I had of done

    @ Rus Sells - you are right and I like to think that i am giving value. You make a good point about asking for genuine reviews - I think I will have to 'put myself out there' a little more and ask for reviews and feedback before I launch a WSO. Thank you

    @ Colin Palfrey - I read a lot of your posts because you do give good advice - with regards to this issue I think this is where my husband was saying I am naive - I honestly thought people contacted me for review copies because they were trying to help me sell my WSOs, because that is how they came across. Of course I won't get caught like that again, and I feel like an utter idiot for thinking that way; but darn it, it means hubby was right and he won't be worth living with if he thinks like that, lol. Love your graphic BTW

    @ Mohammad Hassan - this is what I normally try and do - I spend hours on the forum looking for questions I can offer sensible advice in response and genuinely try and learn, and help others all at the same time. This is one part of my MO I will keep doing, because I do think that things that are given freely come back to you ten fold.

    Thanks again for all of your advice - I am glad I asked the question even though hubby will be insufferable now
    Lisa
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    It's nice that you are a pay it forward person but the fact is, there's a bunch of cheapo freebie seekers who do nothing but sit on the WSO forum and beg for freebies. Wouldn't surprise me if some of them are the very same people who will then turn around and pass it around all over the Internet for free or sell it on their own sites for profit.

    They aren't even supposed to be asking ... there's a sticky about that.
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