Why Are People With Large List Not Truthful

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I don't know about anyone else

but you form what you think is a relationship with people over time, earn their respect etc...

Even get promises that when you get your product together they will be more than willing to help you out

the day comes when you are ready, you get all the positive signals send me your product and so forth

you do your end then they disappear refuse to answer your emails you see they are on and so forth

I would think that these individuals with large list would have the courage to get back to you instead of ignoring you, nothing is more demoralizing to me than someone who you had high esteem to pull this stunt

a simple this does not fit into my business plan is understandable business is business, but the cold shoulder is not acceptable

anyone else had this problem/
#large #list #people #truthful
  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    It happens all the time. I was just talking about this with Mike Ambrosio the other day. Don't assume that everyone who commits to a promotion will actually take action for you.

    Plus, from the scenario you describe, maybe they didn't like your product and don't want to tell you. Not saying that it isn't a good product but affiliates and JV partners are fickle.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      For what it's worth, when somebody contacts me to promote their product,
      99% of the time I tell them I just don't have the time. If I tell you that I'm
      going to promote your product (just ask Dean Shainen and John Rhodes) I
      promote it.

      I don't know why some people say they'll help you and then just disappear.

      I find it a lot easier just to say, "Sorry, I'm too busy."

      If they want to hate me for that, fine. But at least they can't say I backed
      out on a promise.

      That's one thing I will never do unless I find out that you've been cheating
      people and have a horrible reputation. Then I have the right to change my
      mind. But trust me, if I do, I will tell you why.
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      • Profile picture of the author sparrow
        Steve

        you hit the nail on the head

        I feel if someone promises you to promote the product and they feel it does not fit their business they shoud have the courage to get back to you and say so, no feelings hurt this happens

        but just plain disappear what does this accomplish

        this is the second time this has happened and I was starting to wonder is this only me or does it also happens to others

        Ed



        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        For what it's worth, when somebody contacts me to promote their product,
        99% of the time I tell them I just don't have the time. If I tell you that I'm
        going to promote your product (just ask Dean Shainen and John Rhodes) I
        promote it.

        I don't know why some people say they'll help you and then just disappear.

        I find it a lot easier just to say, "Sorry, I'm too busy."

        If they want to hate me for that, fine. But at least they can't say I backed
        out on a promise.

        That's one thing I will never do unless I find out that you've been cheating
        people and have a horrible reputation. Then I have the right to change my
        mind. But trust me, if I do, I will tell you why.
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      • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        For what it's worth, when somebody contacts me to promote their product,
        99% of the time I tell them I just don't have the time. If I tell you that I'm
        going to promote your product (just ask Dean Shainen and John Rhodes) I
        promote it.

        I don't know why some people say they'll help you and then just disappear.

        I find it a lot easier just to say, "Sorry, I'm too busy."

        If they want to hate me for that, fine. But at least they can't say I backed
        out on a promise.

        That's one thing I will never do unless I find out that you've been cheating
        people and have a horrible reputation. Then I have the right to change my
        mind. But trust me, if I do, I will tell you why.
        That's true, Steve rejects my proposals all the time *sniff* *sniff*

        TomG.
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    • Profile picture of the author sparrow
      Ron

      I understand what your saying but regardless if they don't like a product or don't want to promote it there is ways to give someone feedback other than the cold shoulder

      thats the part that is the issue, you have a long term relationship developed and one request the whole relationship is in the dumpster,

      I don't think so I am getting to think alot of these guys are not real

      Ed

      Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

      It happens all the time. I was just talking about this with Mike Ambrosio the other day. Don't assume that everyone who commits to a promotion will actually take action for you.

      Plus, from the scenario you describe, maybe they didn't like your product and don't want to tell you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
        I'll offer you two tips that may help you:

        1) Get on the phone and call JV partners. Email relationships are often not what you think they are, but phone conversations help form a stronger commitment.

        2) Don't get frustrated, get motivated. It's a numbers game at the end of the day. If you want 20 people to promote your product, get 100 people on board.

        If you believe in your product and know that it will help people, keep at it and eventually it will happen for you.

        Good luck.

        Originally Posted by sparrow View Post

        Ron

        I understand what your saying but regardless if they don't like a product or don't want to promote it there is ways to give someone feedback other than the cold shoulder

        thats the part that is the issue, you have a long term relationship developed and one request the whole relationship is in the dumpster,

        I don't think so I am getting to think alot of these guys are not real

        Ed
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        • Profile picture of the author sparrow
          Ron

          these were not email relationships, you speak with the people exchange info etc.. help them out and so forth

          It just amazes me they don't have it in them to be honest.

          Live goes on they have to look themselves in the mirror I do without regret

          Ed


          Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

          I'll offer you two tips that may help you:

          1) Get on the phone and call JV partners. Email relationships are often not what you think they are, but phone conversations help form a stronger commitment.

          2) Don't get frustrated, get motivated. It's a numbers game at the end of the day. If you want 20 people to promote your product, get 100 people on board.

          If you believe in your product and know that it will help people, keep at it and eventually it will happen for you.

          Good luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dixiebelle
        Originally Posted by sparrow View Post

        Ron

        I understand what your saying but regardless if they don't like a product or don't want to promote it there is ways to give someone feedback other than the cold shoulder

        thats the part that is the issue, you have a long term relationship developed and one request the whole relationship is in the dumpster,

        I don't think so I am getting to think alot of these guys are not real

        Ed
        Sparrow:
        I totally agree. Sometimes I wonder if some of these "gurus" have the huge list of buyers they claim they do, or if they just have lists of people they send email to. If the latter is true, then it could be pretty embarrasing when so few opt in.

        So therefore, they ignore you when the chips are down. Perhaps they're just looking for a copy of your product.

        It isn't just promoting a product that gets you ignored. People make other promises all the time that they don't follow through on.

        I asked in another thread, for Vista help, and was PMed for information about my new computer. He said he would get back to me with help. That was a month ago. Needless to say, I just recently unsubscribed from his list. People who don't keep their promises run the risk of losing potential customers.

        Dixie
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        • Profile picture of the author psresearch
          I ran across Ben Shaffer's JV page recently and thought it was a great idea. You can see it here:

          jvwithben

          He really gives details of what kind of work and research the person submitting the JV request must do before submitting their product.

          Of course each person will have their own set of criteria, but his core list looks like a great starting point.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    I have had correspondence with people who would ignore my emails for days or even weeks and then do what they promised. There is no knowing how busy they are or what they may be going through. Just take a step back and give them room. While you are waiting, go find other partners.

    TomG.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Yeah...
    It happens all the time in life. People renege on business promises. Guys say they'll call the girl and never do. Girls don't return your call after smiling, winking and saying, "call me anytime..." It's endless...

    I think the important thing to do is accept that it happens, brush yourself off, and jump back in and kick ass anyway. Show your guy that he really screwed up by not following through. Use his snub as motivation to go out and make your project a huge success - because with stuff like this, success is the best, and only revenge. Good Luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      One other thing, and I'm not going to mention any names, but a fairly big
      marketer once told me that he would promote one of my products.

      He never did and I never asked again.

      One thing I will never do is go begging somebody. I'll ask once. If they say
      yes, great. If they follow through, even better. If not, I don't sweat it and
      I don't waste negative energy on contacting the person and asking why he
      essentially lied to me.

      Life's too short and there are plenty more fish in the sea.
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      • Profile picture of the author sparrow
        Steve

        your right on that one, I don't need them if they promise and don't follow through even with this does not fit email

        Ed



        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        One other thing, and I'm not going to mention any names, but a fairly big
        marketer once told me that he would promote one of my products.

        He never did and I never asked again.

        One thing I will never do is go begging somebody. I'll ask once. If they say
        yes, great. If they follow through, even better. If not, I don't sweat it and
        I don't waste negative energy on contacting the person and asking why he
        essentially lied to me.

        Life's too short and there are plenty more fish in the sea.
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      • Profile picture of the author macknox
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        One other thing, and I'm not going to mention any names, but a fairly big
        marketer once told me that he would promote one of my products.

        He never did and I never asked again.

        One thing I will never do is go begging somebody. I'll ask once. If they say
        yes, great. If they follow through, even better. If not, I don't sweat it and
        I don't waste negative energy on contacting the person and asking why he
        essentially lied to me.

        Life's too short and there are plenty more fish in the sea.

        Right on!

        There are all sorts of reason... illness, computer crash/wipe out virus.
        Lesson is.. don't put all your eggs in one basket.
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    • Profile picture of the author sparrow
      Understood

      this is exactly what I have in mind, their lost

      but still amazes me they don't have the courage to get back

      Ed

      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Yeah...
      It happens all the time in life. People renege on business promises. Guys say they'll call the girl and never do. Girls don't return your call after smiling, winking and saying, "call me anytime..." It's endless...

      I think the important thing to do is accept that it happens, brush yourself off, and jump back in and kick ass anyway. Show your guy that he really screwed up by not following through. Use his snub as motivation to go out and make your project a huge success - because with stuff like this, success is the best, and only revenge. Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Lives are buys..

    I certainly don't have time to fit in all the list promo I would like and sometimes I have to cut things off at the last minute..

    but you are right.. a little common courtesy should be involved..

    I would certainly try to let the person know what was going on..

    Peace

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    • Profile picture of the author sparrow
      Jay


      those are the words, "common courtesy"

      Ed

      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      Lives are buys..

      I certainly don't have time to fit in all the list promo I would like and sometimes I have to cut things off at the last minute..

      but you are right.. a little common courtesy should be involved..

      I would certainly try to let the person know what was going on..

      Peace

      Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    I've had the same thing happen to me.

    Do you know how many favors I have to cash in on where I promoted someone's product that said they'd promote my next launch?

    A BOAT LOAD

    But I'll put money on it that when I start cashing in on these favors,
    many will not hold up there end of the bargain.

    This is why you have to build a business that doesn't rely solely on
    affiliates.

    Any revenue generated from affiliates should be gravy.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      I've had the same thing happen to me.

      Do you know how many favors I have to cash in on where I promoted someone's product that said they'd promote my next launch?

      A BOAT LOAD

      But I'll put money on it that when I start cashing in on these favors,
      many will not hold up there end of the bargain.

      This is why you have to build a business that doesn't rely solely on
      affiliates.

      Any revenue generated from affiliates should be gravy.

      Jason

      OMG Jason, you're starting to sound like me.

      I'm not so sure that's a GOOD thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author sparrow
    Jason

    I generally only create products that are not affiliate based because of these problems

    this is the second time I have done this, got promises from some very big names last I heard from them was send me a copy and point me to the affiliate signup

    now all of a sudden the constant contact between the people dries up

    I guess this is common, I can understand why many people just don't do this because of all the people that don't deliver

    Ed
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    What happened to you is definitely disrespectful. But, I would not classify everyone with a large list as untruthful.

    Unfortunately, there are people that are like that out there.

    It would have been better if they would just contacted you. Or, to simply return your e-mails.

    But, sometimes people just make the wrong choices.

    That's how life is. But, it is definitely unfair to classify everyone with a large list as untruthful.

    Regards,

    Shannon Herod
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    • Profile picture of the author sparrow
      Shannon

      I did not use the words all or everyone,

      I know better to paint this with such a large brush stroke

      You would be surprised thou who would fit in the category of disrespectful, surprised me.

      Ed


      Originally Posted by Shannon Herod View Post

      What happened to you is definitely disrespectful. But, I would not classify everyone with a large list as untruthful.

      Unfortunately, there are people that are like that out there.

      It would have been better if they would just contacted you. Or, to simply return your e-mails.

      But, sometimes people just make the wrong choices.

      That's how life is. But, it is definitely unfair to classify everyone with a large list as untruthful.

      Regards,

      Shannon Herod
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Bogowski
    The reason is because untruthful people generate large lists by being untruthful
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  • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
    If the list is that large maybe he has too many people asking for help. Your e-mail may also be caught in his spam filter. He could also be ill.

    Don't think too badly of him as there could be a reason for his lack of response.

    God bless

    Norma
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    • Profile picture of the author sparrow
      Norma

      this is not the situation,

      when you skype and discuss by actually talking to them then all of a sudden your ignored this is more than disrespectful,

      this is what makes this frustrating, but I have dusted myself off and they are on my do not do business list

      Ed



      Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

      If the list is that large maybe he has too many people asking for help. Your e-mail may also be caught in his spam filter. He could also be ill.

      Don't think too badly of him as there could be a reason for his lack of response.

      God bless

      Norma
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      • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
        Originally Posted by sparrow View Post

        Norma

        this is not the situation,

        when you skype and discuss by actually talking to them then all of a sudden your ignored this is more than disrespectful,

        this is what makes this frustrating, but I have dusted myself off and they are on my do not do business list

        Ed
        Yes, well in that case, get over it and get on with your life. Best advice and logical.

        God bless

        Norma
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Ed,

          I don't know if this applies in your case, but here's an example to consider.

          I get a ton of people asking me to promote their products, or give testimonials for them, or whatever. One of these folks approached me and I said I'd try to make the time to look at his product.

          Try.

          I meant it. He changed my mind for me.

          In the next 6 days he sent me 6 more messages. The first one made me wonder, so I waited. When they kept coming in, I decided the person was going to be someone who was probably too much work to deal with.

          Every single person I've ever worked with who was that persistent ended up being problematic. Now, this guy might have been an exception. Maybe even a worthwhile one. He was certainly polite and professional.

          But really... There are enough people out there that it's just not wise to pursue the ones that show red flags right away.


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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Ed,

            I don't know if this applies in your case, but here's an example to consider.

            I get a ton of people asking me to promote their products, or give testimonials for them, or whatever. One of these folks approached me and I said I'd try to make the time to look at his product.

            Try.

            I meant it. He changed my mind for me.

            In the next 6 days he sent me 6 more messages. The first one made me wonder, so I waited. When they kept coming in, I decided the person was going to be someone who was probably too much work to deal with.

            Every single person I've ever worked with who was that persistent ended up being problematic. Now, this guy might have been an exception. Maybe even a worthwhile one. He was certainly polite and professional.

            But really... There are enough people out there that it's just not wise to pursue the ones that show red flags right away.


            Paul
            Excellent advice Paul.

            By the way, just out of curiosity, do you ever get involved in promoting
            the really big product launches, you know like PLF2 and TS2 and stuff
            like that?

            The reason I'm asking is because most of the emails I read from you in
            your newsletter seem to promote smaller ticket items, like Paul Hancox
            book and stuff like that.

            I don't recall you promoting any of the big things of late. Of course I
            haven't been on your list for very long (joined 8/27/07) but I just don't
            get the impression that you get in on all that madness.
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Steven,
              By the way, just out of curiosity, do you ever get involved in promoting the really big product launches, you know like PLF2 and TS2 and stuff like that?
              Those two, yes. TS2 casually, PLF a bit more aggressively last time around. As a rule, I don't mess with the flavor of the week much. I have to know the product, or REALLY trust the creator to deliver in a big way.

              There's also the problem that a lot of the more recent launches have included things I don't care to be associated with. I won't get into specifics, as that would just fuel an argument and possibly hurt people's feelings unnecessarily. It's a matter of preference rather than principle in some cases.

              I may do some of the bigger launches in the future, and I may not. Depends on a lot of variables.


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  • Profile picture of the author Kate Carpenter
    I don't know if it's truthful or not to ignor someone from your list, busy or not. Most would appreciate some response and surely would understand if you are too busy to promote them or whatever reason.
    But, I think it's important for those with lists-big or small- to realize that you spend a lot of time and energy "building a relationship" with your list. You email that you're going shopping, taking the kids somewhere, on vacation, or sick. People begin to think of you as a sort of "friend", that they know you. So, when they feel 'snubbed', it's more offensive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Li Weng
    I think if they don't have time. They might as well put up a DO NOT DISTURB sign. Acting interested at first but then ignoring you without any legitimate excuse is not okay in my books.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    Originally Posted by sparrow View Post

    I don't know about anyone else

    but you form what you think is a relationship with people over time, earn their respect etc...

    Even get promises that when you get your product together they will be more than willing to help you out

    the day comes when you are ready, you get all the positive signals send me your product and so forth

    you do your end then they disappear refuse to answer your emails you see they are on and so forth

    I would think that these individuals with large list would have the courage to get back to you instead of ignoring you, nothing is more demoralizing to me than someone who you had high esteem to pull this stunt

    a simple this does not fit into my business plan is understandable business is business, but the cold shoulder is not acceptable

    anyone else had this problem/
    The chances are:

    # 1: You didn't give them enough in return to make it worthwhile to promote you or...

    # 2: They just didn't like your product (that's a biggie and can be very awkward...how do you tell someone the product they just sent you stinks when they think it walks on water) and/or...

    # 3: They already had a product that was directly competitive.

    # 4: The timing turned out to be bad.

    People with large lists have a lot of JV partners and sometimes you get pushed down or off the list of offers to email because a JV partner whose far more important to them asks for a favor.

    You need to build a LOT of relationships and understand that everyone has to look after their own list of subscribers and do what's right for their subscribers and their business.

    Helping you MUST be secondary to that.

    If you're patient, you produce excellent products and you go out of your way to promote the products of people you're trying to do a JV with then the JVs will come.

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author sparrow
    All in all I can understand peoples priorities etc... life goes on

    But in my opinion not being courteous enough to say no thankyou or this does not fit into my business plan

    doesn't matter what they say

    but being just ignored, snubbed whatever you want to call it, I think is just plain rude

    especially when its more than a casual email correspondence that developed this relationship

    I just wanted to air this out to see how others felt about this type of behavior and it was interesting to see how its ok for some to say

    people are busy, have other priorities, any excuse to justify this behavior etc... sad to see people actually support or accept this type of behavior, what ever happen to common courtesy when a simple no thankyou would suffice

    just goes to show what is acceptable these days

    as for me its a part of doing business working with no shows, these types of people exist as surprising as it was to see who showed their true colors

    it didn't take long to put this behind me, its a dead issue anyways

    Ed
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidSaaf
    It happens, it happens.. and, it will never stop to happen! It hurts really. And I think it is not a good behavior to go with.
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  • Profile picture of the author demonfanclub
    I am new here but I can't help but to jump in. Trust is to be earned. I can trust you only one time. Breach it and I will move on. In life, it's just too short to spend too much effort on people without much trust.
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    • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
      It sounds to me like you thought you were in a 'relationship' with them but they didn't consider themselves in a 'relationship' with you.

      This has happened to me several times in the off-line business world. I thought I had an agreement, the other side didn't think it had agreed to anything. It's not a real agreement if it's not set down on paper.

      You've got to remember that you, your product and your problems are tremendously important to you but are of less importance to other people. Tie them down to details on paper.

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  • Profile picture of the author Khalil Bashir
    I must say that that happens sometimes! You surely wish that people would stand up to their word a little better than they do. The thing about doing business online is that it's easy for people to quit and walk away and there's nothing you can do about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kunle Olomofe
    People ignoring messages sent to them is just rude.

    Even if you don't reply right away, reply later when you have the time and apologize for not responding sooner. Some don't reply immediately and never do. That's stupid business practice.

    As for giving the benefit of the doubt to these folks, some of them just plain don't deserve that 'cos they're serial offenders.

    All in all, as a business community we shouldn't be building this kind of bad blood scenarios whether money is involved or not.

    Simply respond with a polite "can't be done" and let the person go lick his wounds or move on but to keep them guessing is just idiotic plain and simple.

    Come to think of it I have some outstanding responses to get to, and I WILL apologize for responding later than usual, that is at least the next best thing to an instant response especially if you just are too busy or prefer not to respond instantly for whatever reason.

    Bottom line, don't encourage this bad behavior, Ed did great voicing out, if more of us did, this kind of thing just might reduce drastically.

    Cheers,

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