Two Questions about Trademarks and Domain Names

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1. I recently registered a domain name - never even considered that it might be trademarked. When I searched for a trademark (after the domain was registered, of course - duh) I found this info:

The USPTO has given the XXXXXXX trademark serial number of xxxxxxxx. The current federal status of this trademark filing is ABANDONED - NO STATEMENT OF USE FILED.
Does this mean that I can use the domain name, or do I have to file for a trademark?

2. Can a domain name, by itself, without an attached business entity, be trademarked?

Seems like almost everything in the world is trademarked now. I nearly invested over $100 in domain names over the weekend for what I thought was simply a descriptive phrase. But a little niggling inner voice said "if it's too good to be true, it usually is" so I backed of completing the payment and did some serious trademark hunting. Sure enough, the term I wanted to use was trademarked - though you see it in print and all over the place as a common descriptive term.

Since the name I was considering was so close, I simply abandoned it and moved on to something else. However, the name I did register a while back showed the message I posted above, so I'm basically wondering how to proceed from here. I really want to use that name, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author VegasGreg
    Well, I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, however the term itself may not be an issue, it is more of how you use it.

    For example. If you bought a domain like AmazonProductReviews.com and put products from Amazon.com on the site that would be bad.

    If you had products that were say health products from ingredients from the Amazon region, you could be ok.

    Some trademarked names are a little more unique and have only one meaning, so it would not be advised to use them.
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  • Profile picture of the author davezan
    Originally Posted by Val.S. View Post

    1. I recently registered a domain name - never even considered that it might be trademarked. When I searched for a trademark (after the domain was registered, of course - duh) I found this info:

    The USPTO has given the XXXXXXX trademark serial number of xxxxxxxx. The current federal status of this trademark filing is ABANDONED - NO STATEMENT OF USE FILED.
    Does this mean that I can use the domain name, or do I have to file for a trademark?

    2. Can a domain name, by itself, without an attached business entity, be trademarked?
    Not a lawyer, either. But I'll share what I've learned from actual lawyers with
    real-world experience on this, and whoever can also correct me if I'm wrong.

    1. What that simply means is whoever (at least) filed that application did not
    pursue it any longer for whatever reason. They can still have what's called a
    common law trademark if they're using that in commerce or so.

    2. Not sure nowadays, but I've personally seen domains used as trademarks.
    Some are even registered at USPTO, though mostly attached to entities.

    Bear in mind the USPTO is not the one and only authoritative source for TMs.
    It only applies within the U.S., and others exist for those in other jurisdictions.

    One might have to make an exhaustive search if they really want to eliminate
    any possible trademark infringement or confusion. If anything, you'll have at
    least a few possible ideas.

    And as you noticed, even common words and phrases are used as marks. An
    important thing is to ensure it doesn't possibly "confuse" users with any mark
    that's possibly out there, which (admittedly) isn't always easy to determine.

    Good luck on your venture.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Good questions.

    We may be able to offer slightly better--though non-legal--opinions if we knew what the term was. However, that wouldn't be a smart thing to do, but this is what I think (but I'm not a lawyer).

    First, check with a layer.



    Second, what is the first thing people are likely to think of when they hear the name. There was a time when if somebody mentioned 'Yahoo', they were referring to character's in Gulliver's Travels. If they think of the brand first, or would even be likely to think of the brand then you need to proceed carefully.

    Third, I hope you're able to use the domains without too much hassle, they sound like good ones.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Ahead-DESIGN
    You can use any trademark name in a site name, just like you can write a book titled I love Coca Cola.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Unless a trademark is famous, don't give up just because you already see a trademark. That is because trademarks are generally only good for a specific category of products.

      For example:

      Delta Airlines
      Delta Faucets

      The same "trademark" can be used for different types of products.
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    • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
      Originally Posted by Ahead-DESIGN View Post

      You can use any trademark name in a site name, just like you can write a book titled I love Coca Cola.
      Nonsense. You can not do that. You have to get permission from the owner of the trademark to use it in that way.

      For example, Apple have a clear policy on their website about NOT using their trademarks (ie iPad, iPhone etc) in domain names ..
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  • Profile picture of the author AntiGuru
    The trademark filing is "abandoned", so there is no trademark consideration. It's like it never happened. Only if it's registered will it have trademark rights.

    In most cases (under most Top Level Domains) proving "bad faith" in the registration is a requirement of challenging it. That means running ads of competitors on your site (PPC feeds may do this without you realizing it), or offering to sell it to the trademark holder.

    In this case it's all a non-issue, the filing has been abandoned. If they refile later your domain will have been created prior to their filing date, which should be an open and shut case in your favour, unless you have demonstrated "bad faith".
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  • Profile picture of the author drifter73
    Keep in mind that their are technically 2 different kinds of trademarks 1.) A registered Trademark (as you have found in the database of trademarks) which is identified by a circle encompassing the letter "R",... and 2.) an unregistered Trademark (Which is still legally binding) identified by a "TM" next to a brand name/image. Both forms of trademarks are admissible in court of law, however a registered trademark is naturally easier to prove in court.

    Ok, now that we have that out of the way, The trademark in question was abandoned, which places it in the "public domain" category. You can pay the x amount of dollars to re-registrar the same mark or you can create a new mark with the same name & either submit a new registry or simply use the "TM" after your mark everywhere you show it. You'll also want to print a copy of the abandoned trademark report that show a date of abandonment. File this somewhere it wont get lost in case questions arise in the future, you can then prove the trademark was abandoned & then supply the date you created your mark to replace it.

    An abandonment simply means the previous trademark owner is in default of paying for another 7 years, thus rendering the mark vulnerable in the public domain for re-usage. Keep in mind though, that they may be using a "TM" now even though their registry has expired, in which case they would still have legal claim.

    It's best to contact a copyright / trademark attorney in your area to be sure of course. My suggestion is to just create a unique brand / mark in a separate market niche so that it qualifies as a new trademark even if they are still using the abandoned one.

    Good luck to you
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  • Profile picture of the author AntiGuru
    I thought Abandonment meant that they never followed through in the process of registering it. In the example it says "NO STATEMENT OF USE FILED".

    I don't know about the 7-year renewal thing. I hold several trademarks in Canada older than 7 years and have never had to repay anything. I have one in the US but it's not 7 years old yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author drifter73
      Originally Posted by AntiGuru View Post

      I thought Abandonment meant that they never followed through in the process of registering it. In the example it says "NO STATEMENT OF USE FILED".

      I don't know about the 7-year renewal thing. I hold several trademarks in Canada older than 7 years and have never had to repay anything. I have one in the US but it's not 7 years old yet.
      I was a bit off on expiration time, so I included a few quotes & the source link about U.S. Trademarks below.

      Do I have to register my trademark? No, but federal registration has several advantages, including notice to the public of the registrant's claim of ownership of the mark, a legal presumption of ownership nationwide, and the exclusive right to use the mark on or in connection with the goods or services set forth in the registration.
      Is a federal registration valid outside the United States?
      No. However, if you are a qualified owner of a trademark application pending before the USPTO, or of a registration issued by the USPTO, you may seek registration in any of the countries that have joined the Madrid Protocol by filing a single application, called an "international application," with the International Bureau of the World Intellectual Property Organization, through the USPTO. For more information about the Madrid Protocol, see TMEP Chapter 1900 .


      Also, certain countries recognize a United States registration as a basis for filing an application to register a mark in those countries under international treaties. See TMEP Chapter 1000 for further information. The laws of each country regarding registration must be consulted.
      How long does a trademark registration last?
      For a trademark registration to remain valid, an Affidavit of Use ("Section 8 Affidavit") must be filed: (1) between the fifth and sixth year following registration, and (2) within the year before the end of every ten-year period after the date of registration. The registrant may file the affidavit within a grace period of six months after the end of the sixth or tenth year, with payment of an additional fee.
      The registrant must also file a §9 renewal application within the year before the expiration date of a registration, or within a grace period of six months after the expiration date, with payment of an additional fee.
      Assuming that an affidavit of use is timely filed, registrations granted PRIOR to November 16, 1989 have a 20-year term, and registrations granted on or after November 16, 1989 have a 10-year term.
      This is also true for the renewal periods; renewals granted PRIOR to November 16, 1989 have a 20-year term, and renewals granted on or after November 16, 1989 have a 10-year term.
      Source of above information: Trademark FAQs w w w .uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp
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  • Profile picture of the author Meharis
    Originally Posted by Val.S. View Post

    1. I recently registered a domain name - never even considered that it might be trademarked. When I searched for a trademark (after the domain was registered, of course - duh) I found this info:



    Does this mean that I can use the domain name, or do I have to file for a trademark?

    2. Can a domain name, by itself, without an attached business entity, be trademarked?

    Seems like almost everything in the world is trademarked now. I nearly invested over $100 in domain names over the weekend for what I thought was simply a descriptive phrase. But a little niggling inner voice said "if it's too good to be true, it usually is" so I backed of completing the payment and did some serious trademark hunting. Sure enough, the term I wanted to use was trademarked - though you see it in print and all over the place as a common descriptive term.

    Since the name I was considering was so close, I simply abandoned it and moved on to something else. However, the name I did register a while back showed the message I posted above, so I'm basically wondering how to proceed from here. I really want to use that name, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
    Val.S.
    I believe "drifter73" explained real well.
    However, next time you do like a domain first run it through:
    "valuate.com". Enter the domain in question and you'll get the result including the value. Now, here's the interesting part. If the domain might have an issue with trademark, you'll see an orange triangle in the very far left. Place the mouse over and will display everything about it, including the chances you have to be notified by the holder.
    Meharis
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