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Anyone know what I should do... I am posting relevant comments on some sites that have been "auto approved" for linking purposes, so that I can build links to my site. Every time I do this I get a message that my posts were refused by the sites' spam filters. Many other people are successfully posting to the same.
I am fairly new to all this IM stuff and didn't even know what "spam" was until around a year ago, so how would it be that I am listed in this way, or my IP address. Any advice would be gratefully received.

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#listed #spammer
  • Profile picture of the author cindybidar
    Not sure what you mean by "auto approved for linking purposes" but I do know there is an aggressive spam filter plug-in out there (can't remember the name, sorry) that, when used in conjunction with a plug-in called keyword love, marks every single comment as spam. Perhaps that's what you're running up against?
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  • Profile picture of the author Owen Smith
    Firstly, how long are the comments, do they include keyword like 'take a look here' these types of things will automatically be filtered out. Also do not use ! or ? or anything else apart from , and .

    This will reduce your spam rating and you will get through the automated filter.

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    • Profile picture of the author all4won
      Thanks Cindy, Thanks Owen - just sending you a PM

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  • Profile picture of the author all4won
    Hi Owen,

    Tried what you suggested, removed a fair number of question marks and exclamation marks in my 250 word, topical reply. This site was supposed to automatically approve posts being submitted, but this PR6 site still doesn't want to know. Anyway, found 2 other PR4 sites and commented successfully on those.
    Which brings me to your Offer - I know I have to have Backlinks. I briefly subscribed to Angela's Backlinks a few months back but quickly cancelled as I (dumb newbie) didn't know what to do with the packages (honestly). I think your Offer may be just what I need for my Affiliate site which is under construction at the moment. Please tell me however, whether you think one needs LinkWheel services as well - I have no idea about submission to Web 2.0 properties, Digg and all that stuff, so I suppose I need that in addition to what you are offering?
    Anyway, going to buy from you, ready for the package in a month's time, but I may need a little help (at first) when I receive them. Would be grateful for your reply to this PM.

    Thanks - Greg
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    • Profile picture of the author Owen Smith
      You receive the package straight away.

      As for link wheels etc, I would stay away for them and concerntrate on your website for now if you are a newbie, find a few keywords and do backlinking with my package and/or others.

      When you feel you are at a place were you have enough time, start a link wheel.

      Please contact me on admin(at)smivers.com as I can answer with my mobile phone, I was just nipping out when I received your visitor message.

      Regards
      Owen

      Originally Posted by all4won View Post

      Hi Owen,

      Tried what you suggested, removed a fair number of question marks and exclamation marks in my 250 word, topical reply. This site was supposed to automatically approve posts being submitted, but this PR6 site still doesn't want to know. Anyway, found 2 other PR4 sites and commented successfully on those.
      Which brings me to your Offer - I know I have to have Backlinks. I briefly subscribed to Angela's Backlinks a few months back but quickly cancelled as I (dumb newbie) didn't know what to do with the packages (honestly). I think your Offer may be just what I need for my Affiliate site which is under construction at the moment. Please tell me however, whether you think one needs LinkWheel services as well - I have no idea about submission to Web 2.0 properties, Digg and all that stuff, so I suppose I need that in addition to what you are offering?
      Anyway, going to buy from you, ready for the package in a month's time, but I may need a little help (at first) when I receive them. Would be grateful for your reply to this PM.

      Thanks - Greg
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  • Originally Posted by all4won View Post

    I am posting relevant comments on some sites that have been "auto approved" for linking purposes, so that I can build links to my site. Every time I do this I get a message that my posts were refused by the sites' spam filters.
    Well, your blasting self-promotions and backlinks to a myriad of random websites, so I'd you ARE indeed a spammer...
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Well, your blasting self-promotions and backlinks to a myriad of random websites, so I'd you ARE indeed a spammer...
    +1

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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    What does "auto approved"? Auto
    approved by whom? Are you posting on
    topical sites?

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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    What does "auto approved"? Auto
    approved by who? Are you posting on
    topical sites?
    Probably means unmoderated comments.

    You know, the places I leave my porn links, after the guy who left the discount air jordan links and before the guy who leaves the fake rolex watches links. And let's not forget forex guy, **** berry guy, ugg boots dude and my favorite.... Houston law attorney.
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  • Profile picture of the author miklanderson2
    Maybe you're getting listed as a spammer because that's what you're doing. Are your comments relevant to the topic of the post?
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    • Profile picture of the author creadle24
      Originally Posted by miklanderson2 View Post

      Maybe you're getting listed as a spammer because that's what you're doing. Are your comments relevant to the topic of the post?
      DUH, did you even read the original post? or are you just trying to get your signature seen? might want to know what you are talking about before you open your keyboard.
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      • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
        Originally Posted by creadle24 View Post

        DUH, did you even read the original post? or are you just trying to get your signature seen? might want to know what you are talking about before you open your keyboard.
        Well said Creadle. I find some people on here just want to baselessly belittle someone without properly reading what they said.
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  • Profile picture of the author creadle24
    You need to watch your key words. things like "opportunity, business, level," well you get the point. You should be able to say what you want, but just watch your terminology. Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author ColdFire123
    Hi there All4won. Just a little bit confused here, isn't 250 word comment a bit too long for an article or blog comment? I mean, that's another blog to start with.

    As far as IM is concern, I think, you better first learn things by yourself first before getting someone to do it. Not to discourage you but bearing in mind the word "skill wise", it is better for you to know what you are exactly doing first regarding Affiliate Marketing.

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  • Profile picture of the author ColdFire123
    Also regarding blog comments, the only thing that I can say is that when you get warned for the method you are using, immediately disengage in that method and try another. Helps you off the list!

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  • Profile picture of the author miklanderson2
    You're right...I didn't read the original post closely enough and I apologize to the poster. I happened upon this post after filtering through around 30 comments on my various blogs that consisted of a bunch of spam with a few relevant comments mixed in and was feeling a little testy. I wasn't trying to belittle anyone. Again, my apologies to the poster if my post was taken the wrong way.
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    • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
      Originally Posted by miklanderson2 View Post

      You're right...I didn't read the original post closely enough and I apologize to the poster. I happened upon this post after filtering through around 30 comments on my various blogs that consisted of a bunch of spam with a few relevant comments mixed in and was feeling a little testy. I wasn't trying to belittle anyone. Again, my apologies to the poster if my post was taken the wrong way.
      Sorry I misjudged you. It was just that I got attacked the other day and I put you in the same basket as it felt a little similar. Sorry.
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  • Profile picture of the author creadle24
    I apologize as well gentlemen, Its just that i too know what its like to be told "youre a spammer" and it ticks me off. I feel like you cant promote anything anything anymore because of spam filters and forum rules and such. F...B..k wont even let you add people to your friends list anymore without having specific things in common with them. Makes it really hard for a small time marketer to make it in this shark tank. So sorry Miklanderson.. forgive my harsh words.
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    • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
      Originally Posted by creadle24 View Post

      I apologize as well gentlemen, Its just that i too know what its like to be told "youre a spammer" and it ticks me off. I feel like you cant promote anything anything anymore because of spam filters and forum rules and such. F...B..k wont even let you add people to your friends list anymore without having specific things in common with them. Makes it really hard for a small time marketer to make it in this shark tank. So sorry Miklanderson.. forgive my harsh words.
      You are right my friend. I am coming from the same perspective as you. I take exception to being labelled a spammer. And it is a bit annoying when people give you back platitudes and things like "well it is their forum/company so tough" when that isn't the issue. I got lambasted for speaking my mind the other day and arguing against this whole spamming label. People who aren't spammers get accused of being the same as a blatant one. I am like you and just wish to get my name out there and let people know I have something they may want without actually mentioning it in a post. I am not trying to sell them something they don't want.
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  • Profile picture of the author pethanks
    The administrator is in control of that. Maybe you are putting links and make promotions.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    I am like you and just wish to get my name out there and let people know I have something they may want without actually mentioning it in a post. I am not trying to sell them something they don't want.
    But what you're missing is that another persons blog and comments area is not a venue for promoting your own business / products.

    On my Knitted Kitty Sweaters blog, I don't want comments from Mr Get Whiter Teeth, I'll hit the spam button without thinking twice.

    Most blog owners feel the same way. They don't run a blog as a promotional tool for others to abuse.

    I know this is a tough concept for most IMers to understand.
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    • Profile picture of the author creadle24
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      But what you're missing is that another persons blog and comments area is not a venue for promoting your own business / products.

      On my Knitted Kitty Sweaters blog, I don't want comments from Mr Get Whiter Teeth, I'll hit the spam button without thinking twice.

      Most blog owners feel the same way. They don't run a blog as a promotional tool for others to abuse.

      I know this is a tough concept for most IMers to understand.
      Yes and its people like you who have made it impossible for honest people,(who just happen to be internet marketers) to make a living online. I am not saying there are not people out there who market carelessly without worrying about others. But the majority of us are trying to get out of living paycheck to paycheck, and just want enough success for that to happen. Every time you hit that spam button you are keeping one of us down.
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      • Profile picture of the author FredJones
        Rather than complaining and complaining and complaining and ..., how about learning to add value, creating value, and becoming a solid business person in the longer run?

        Or, would you want to open a dozen or two of blogs, so that all of us can use that as a comment posting haven with backlinks to all of our sites, so that we manage to get our paychecks on time before the previous one dries out?

        Friend, I have no intention to hurt you and I am sorry that you are still in a struggle mode, but trust me, it is the mindset that you need to change if you want to own a business rather than run from paycheck to paycheck. Try to see what are the genuine problems that you can solve, go and solve the problems, and market your business legitimately rather than $8@m that $h1t out of the bush. If you don't do this soon enough, you are going to be written as of of them down, soon enough in the dark avenues of history.


        Originally Posted by creadle24 View Post

        Yes and its people like you who have made it impossible for honest people,(who just happen to be internet marketers) to make a living online. I am not saying there are not people out there who market carelessly without worrying about others. But the majority of us are trying to get out of living paycheck to paycheck, and just want enough success for that to happen. Every time you hit that spam button you are keeping one of us down.
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        • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
          Originally Posted by FredJones View Post

          Rather than complaining and complaining and complaining and ..., how about learning to add value, creating value, and becoming a solid business person in the longer run?

          Or, would you want to open a dozen or two of blogs, so that all of us can use that as a comment posting haven with backlinks to all of our sites, so that we manage to get our paychecks on time before the previous one dries out?

          Friend, I have no intention to hurt you and I am sorry that you are still in a struggle mode, but trust me, it is the mindset that you need to change if you want to own a business rather than run from paycheck to paycheck. Try to see what are the genuine problems that you can solve, go and solve the problems, and market your business legitimately rather than $8@m that out of the bush. If you don't do this soon enough, you are going to be written as of of them down, soon enough in the dark avenues of history.
          Can you suggest some other more cost effective ways to build backlinks? Last time I checked blog commenting was a legitimate way to build backlinks. I can't see why it's such an evil thing to do. Of course I want to use other strategies and techniques but why discard something if it is proven to be effective. If the blog is afraid of a little backlink then I'll go to the next one. I don't mind as I have no time for arrogant blog owners who want me to turn up to their site and pat them on the back but see me as a threat if I put a backlink. No problem at all.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
            Originally Posted by dayanthan View Post

            Last time I checked blog commenting was a legitimate way to build backlinks. I can't see why it's such an evil thing to do.
            Well, that's because it isn't an evil thing to do. Note that you will get different comments/notes here in the main forum (where most people seem to focus almost exclusively on article marketing) versus the SEO subforum. Although, it does appear that jason morgan is slumming in here now rather than the seo forum, so I guess that's an exception ;-)

            That being said, just to echo the comments above, there is no sort of entitlement right to post a comment on someone's blog. If they have comments closed, or are heavily moderated, then that of course is their right.

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            • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
              Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

              Well, that's because it isn't an evil thing to do. Note that you will get different comments/notes here in the main forum (where most people seem to focus almost exclusively on article marketing) versus the SEO subforum. Although, it does appear that jason morgan is slumming in here now rather than the seo forum, so I guess that's an exception ;-)

              That being said, just to echo the comments above, there is no sort of entitlement right to post a comment on someone's blog. If they have comments closed, or are heavily moderated, then that of course is their right.

              Tom
              I appreciate your viewpoint Tom. Just like I have mentioned in my other posts I am not claiming an entitlement to post wherever I please. I am just putting forth my viewpoint and saying blog owners shouldn't complain if they have a little following because they treat people who visit their site the way Jason Morgan recommends. Not a good look.
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          • Profile picture of the author ladida
            Really?

            "overzealous blog owners."

            "arrogant blog owners who want me to turn up to their site and pat them on the back but see me as a threat if I put a backlink"

            Really??????

            More than your position, it's your attitude that really sucks here.

            Can you really not empathize with the position of the blog owner who simply wants all conversation on his site to stay on topic?

            If the site owner says NO then doing so on THEIR SITE... IS INAPPROPRIATE! They... are not arrogant... YOU ARE for thinking you have that right.

            Remember the saying - "When in Rome..."


            The thing is... if you want to place the uninvited links (SPAM), that's fine. Considering you're on an IM forum most people here (myself included) would consider this a legitimate way to get links. There are a number of people using that method to get rich. The problem is your attitude about it. I've snuck into many movies, run a few stop lights (by accident) and basically gotten away with things that if caught I could have gotten in trouble for. I was wrong. Most of the times I knew I was wrong beforehand and did it anyway. Had I been caught I would have simply said sorry and moved on... apparently, NOT YOU. You walk away but they're probably the @$$holes for saying something to you in the first place... Right?

            The next time you go into a restaurant I'd like to see you quietly start placing a business card on each table of each patron there. When management tells you to stop I'd love to see you become SO offended by their ARROGANT display of power.

            Hilarious!



            Originally Posted by dayanthan View Post

            Can you suggest some other more cost effective ways to build backlinks? Last time I checked blog commenting was a legitimate way to build backlinks. I can't see why it's such an evil thing to do. Of course I want to use other strategies and techniques but why discard something if it is proven to be effective. If the blog is afraid of a little backlink then I'll go to the next one. I don't mind as I have no time for arrogant blog owners who want me to turn up to their site and pat them on the back but see me as a threat if I put a backlink. No problem at all.
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            • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
              Originally Posted by ladida View Post

              Really?

              "overzealous blog owners."

              "arrogant blog owners who want me to turn up to their site and pat them on the back but see me as a threat if I put a backlink"

              Really??????

              More than your position, it's your attitude that really sucks here.

              Can you really not empathize with the position of the blog owner who simply wants all conversation on his site to stay on topic?

              If the site owner says NO then doing so on THEIR SITE... IS INAPPROPRIATE! They... are not arrogant... YOU ARE for thinking you have that right.

              Remember the saying - "When in Rome..."


              The thing is... if you want to place the uninvited links (SPAM), that's fine. Considering you're on an IM forum most people here (myself included) would consider this a legitimate way to get links. There are a number of people using that method to get rich. The problem is your attitude about it. I've snuck into many movies, run a few stop lights (by accident) and basically gotten away with things that if caught I could have gotten in trouble for. I was wrong. Most of the times I knew I was wrong beforehand and did it anyway. Had I been caught I would have simply said sorry and moved on... apparently, NOT YOU. You walk away but they're probably the @$ for saying something to you in the first place... Right?

              The next time you go into a restaurant I'd like to see you quietly start placing a business card on each table of each patron there. When management tells you to stop I'd love to see you become SO offended by their ARROGANT display of power.

              Hilarious!
              I find this laughable and amusing. You obviously can't acknowledge there is another side to this issue. No problem. But your character assasination says a lot about you.
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              • Profile picture of the author ladida
                If you read what I wrote you'd see that not only did I acknowledge the other side but I actually find nothing wrong with it.

                I'm just big on calling a spade a spade. That's all.


                Originally Posted by dayanthan View Post

                I find this laughable and amusing. You obviously can't acknowledge there is another side to this issue. No problem. But your character assasination says a lot about you.
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                • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
                  Originally Posted by ladida View Post

                  If you read what I wrote you'd see that not only did I acknowledge the other side but I actually find nothing wrong with it.

                  I'm just big on calling a spade a spade. That's all.
                  I read what you wrote and I didn't see it this way, so I am not sure about this claim of yours. What I do know is that you made some erroneous assumptions about me and that is not really calling a spade a spade. You can pretend it is but it doesn't change the reality.
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                • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
                  Originally Posted by ladida View Post

                  If you read what I wrote you'd see that not only did I acknowledge the other side but I actually find nothing wrong with it.

                  I'm just big on calling a spade a spade. That's all.
                  How did you acknowledge the other side? You basically ran me down and didn't bother seeing what I was trying to say. I am not surprised as there seems to be a habit of that on here from a few people, including yourself. I just stated my opinion and got a rant back about how I want everyone to fall into line with what I want and that is clearly off the mark. It is that leaping to a false conclusion that I find laughable.
                  I basically say it is not in my interest to invest in people (blog owners included) who do not want to invest in me as a person and show trust toward me. It is actually quite simple to understand. You give something and you get something in return. Instead you get people on here giving snide and inaccurate remarks in response to a valid point of view.
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                  • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
                    @Ladida

                    "More than your position, it's your attitude that really sucks here."

                    A: How does my attitude suck? Because I have a different take on the issue? Because I have a strong opinion?


                    "Can you really not empathize with the position of the blog owner who simply wants all conversation on his site to stay on topic?"

                    A: Yes but is that the issue or are you just diverting to make an argument that was not made by me? When I am on a blog I respect their site and comment as appropriately as I can, so I don't know where you are getting this assumption that I don't empathise with the blog owner from. All I say is when I feel contempt in the vein of what Jason said before and unwelcome on a site for trying to do the right thing I won't go back. I really don't mind.


                    "If the site owner says NO then doing so on THEIR SITE... IS INAPPROPRIATE! They... are not arrogant... YOU ARE for thinking you have that right.

                    Remember the saying - "When in Rome..."

                    A: Again how is this relevant to what I have said? I never said they have to change the rules to suit me. I said that if they are rigid and suspicious of others who may have good motives and then drive them away and then complain, I have no sympathy for them. If people treat me with respect I am more likely to frequent their blog more often. I even comment on political forums and don't get a backlink so I don't go to every site expecting one. But when I need them I will prioritise those who will let me have one (which happens to be most of the sites I go to) such as do follow blogs. What is wrong with this? I am just looking out for my own interest. But I am no spammer as I never market my products or push my "wares" on others. I actually comment on the topic itself. If you assume this you have me all wrong.

                    "The thing is... if you want to place the uninvited links (SPAM), that's fine. Considering you're on an IM forum most people here (myself included) would consider this a legitimate way to get links. There are a number of people using that method to get rich. The problem is your attitude about it. I've snuck into many movies, run a few stop lights (by accident) and basically gotten away with things that if caught I could have gotten in trouble for. I was wrong. Most of the times I knew I was wrong beforehand and did it anyway. Had I been caught I would have simply said sorry and moved on... apparently, NOT YOU. You walk away but they're probably the @$ for saying something to you in the first place... Right?"

                    A: You are making an erroneous assumption. I won't place a link if they outlaw it. I don't break rules on peoples' sites. I simply will leave unless I really want to stay if there is a compelling reason to do so. How is my attitude a problem? Do I have to be subservient to a blog or forum owner and stay if I feel it is not in my interest? So you are saying I have a bad attitude because "heaven forbid" I want some backlinks? You would think it were a crime or something evil LOL.

                    "The next time you go into a restaurant I'd like to see you quietly start placing a business card on each table of each patron there. When management tells you to stop I'd love to see you become SO offended by their ARROGANT display of power."

                    A: Why would I do that? Do you realise how disingenous this sounds? Probably not. Now that is hilarious LOL.
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          • Profile picture of the author FredJones
            Originally Posted by dayanthan View Post

            Can you suggest some other more cost effective ways to build backlinks? Last time I checked blog commenting was a legitimate way to build backlinks.
            "More cost effective" is a tricky question, but yes, good press releases and good blog networks do prove to be cost-effective - I can not comment upon the "more" part since I don't know how much you "spend" for these in the money and time sense.

            I can't see why it's such an evil thing to do.
            Blogs are meant to be commented and that is not evil. I didn't say that is evil either. What I am saying is that people treat blogs as their personal backyards to spam and spam and spam, and anyone is welcome to judge whether that's evil or not. Blog says, "wow, I loved Maradona playing soccer". Blog-commenter comments, "your post changed my views on this topic and really helped me learn an eye-opening technology" and the next person comments, "I had an argument with my brother on this topic, and now I have enough evidence that yeast infection is bad for health". Wow !! Do you see what's wrong with all of this? That's what normally happens.

            I don't mind as I have no time for arrogant blog owners who want me to turn up to their site and pat them on the back but see me as a threat if I put a backlink. No problem at all.
            Sure! I am sure someone running a blog knows perfectly well what's valuable for their blog and what's not. So when they approve/reject their comments, they know what position they are on to. As a comment-maker, if you know which blogs are valuable to you and which ones are not, you are in the position that you want to. It is just the balance of reality and one's got to accept it as it is.
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            • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
              Cool Fred. I think you see where I am coming from. I agree with you that spamming is wrong and I dislike that tactic that you showed in your post as well. No argument from me there.
              Your last point is what I have been trying to say and that has been misinterpreted. I am just saying when the objectives don't fit there is no point for me to hang around. This is taken by some people to mean that I am imposing myself and then crying foul when there is no congruency between the blog commenter and blog owner.
              Why I called them "arrogant" was when they demand attention and people to patronise their blog and tell them how good their content is, but drive away the people they should want to turn up by casting the innocent ones as spammers. It is a misnomer is all. They are obviously free to do it but don't complain if this has negative repercussions.
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      • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
        Originally Posted by creadle24 View Post

        Yes and its people like you who have made it impossible for honest people,(who just happen to be internet marketers) to make a living online. I am not saying there are not people out there who market carelessly without worrying about others. But the majority of us are trying to get out of living paycheck to paycheck, and just want enough success for that to happen. Every time you hit that spam button you are keeping one of us down.
        Well said Creadle. At the end of the day us little guys who play fair are no threat to these overzealous blog owners. Their loss in my view as I know plenty of decent blogs who don't see me as a threat and at least I can build a rapport with them. And no I don't expect anything from them.
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    • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      But what you're missing is that another persons blog and comments area is not a venue for promoting your own business / products.

      On my Knitted Kitty Sweaters blog, I don't want comments from Mr Get Whiter Teeth, I'll hit the spam button without thinking twice.

      Most blog owners feel the same way. They don't run a blog as a promotional tool for others to abuse.

      I know this is a tough concept for most IMers to understand.
      It is this attitude that I disagree with. With all due respect I wouldn't bother wasting my time at a blog that has that kind of perception towards me. And I wouldn't recommend it to anyone I know. No loss.
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    • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      But what you're missing is that another persons blog and comments area is not a venue for promoting your own business / products.

      On my Knitted Kitty Sweaters blog, I don't want comments from Mr Get Whiter Teeth, I'll hit the spam button without thinking twice.

      Most blog owners feel the same way. They don't run a blog as a promotional tool for others to abuse.

      I know this is a tough concept for most IMers to understand.
      When I comment on a blog I just leave a harmless backlink to my website. I don't shout so other people will pay attention to me and I don't have people necessarily click on the link and take traffic away from you. It is that fear that I can sense that at the end of the day doesn't help you. You may think it does and you are entitled to of course, but I am looking at the big picture.
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    Yes and its people like you who have made it impossible for honest people,(who just happen to be internet marketers) to make a living online.
    Seriously?

    Seriously?

    If a blog owner doesn't want marketers leaving links in their blogs comments... it's the blog owners fault and they are keeping you from making a living?

    Since when did another persons blog become a billboard for you to advertise on?
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  • Profile picture of the author revenue27
    Everybody hate spam comments, and will delete it, if they are at our blogs, rather than doing that, why don't you put a real value comment for the blogs owner, it will be better that way, you can build your images as a trusted guys, in online world trust is verry important to achieve success
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    Although, it does appear that jason morgan is slumming in here now rather than the seo forum, so I guess that's an exception ;-)
    I get bored and like to stir the pot

    The SEO forum had been a graveyard the past few months since the cool kids got the boot.

    We both know of my past SEO efforts and philosophies, my post history is an open book. I just don't spin it and I'll call a spade a spade.

    I really don't care what people do. Go nutty with scrapbox if it makes them feel warm and fuzzy. It's not like I don't own a copy as well. I've even spammed my own sites. I just hate when people pretend that what they are doing isn't as bad as the other guys.

    The whole "I'm not spamming, I'm leaving real comments + a backlink to my IM site" is a complete BS argument.

    Blogs are not open billboards for self promotion, use at your own risk. If someone is cool with pissing in someone else's pool then by all means, let it rain. They just shouldn't complain when askismet blacklists their site or their domain and email end up on one of those spammer list sites. Hi-Five... welcome to the club.

    Personally, I've moved on from such shenanigans, maybe I developed a conscious? But I'll own up to what I've done.

    Oh yeah, don't spam. It's not nice.

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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    I personally have to delete about a dozen comments everytime I post on my blog that get caught up in Askismet, so I am not a big fan of what you are doing, but anyways best of luck to you
    I'm retired from that, you deleted my stuff long long ago.

    We all have to deal with it. Most of my blogs have comments turned off but I get hit as well. It's all part of the game.
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  • Profile picture of the author ladida
    I'll say this Dayanthan,

    Maybe I came on a little strong... or maybe it's late now and I'm just tired. Not sure.

    Anyway, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. My only real problem with anything you've said thus far is your characterization of a blog owner who doesn't want to allow comments or links or... whatever on their site that doesn't relate to their site.

    I believe it's their right and technically, you seem to agree. Yet - and I'm not assuming this as I'm basing my conclusions on statements you actually made - you begrudge them for doing so. I didn't assume that you called them arrogant. You did. But the only evidence you laid out to support your claim - that these site owners are, in fact, "arrogant" - is that they wouldn't let you place a backlink on their site.

    In my opinion it's all part of the game. If you want to go out and get backlinks for your site using this method then by all means do so. Just understand that there are going to be people who don't like it. The thing is - you're the one whose intentions are not clear. And by you, I mean any marketer (myself included) using this method. If you're on some blog or forum, the blog owner's intent is quite obvious. Me or you, however... no matter how much we contribute aren't really there to contribute, are we? We're just playing the game so we can get what we want out of the situation -- a backlink.

    The thing is if the blog owner or other site members take issue with that... if I don't like it I do fully understand it. If I were in their position maybe I would feel the same way too. But I'm not. And I don't really care. And if they get mad, ah well. ...bigger fish to fry elsewhere; time to move on.

    The point is though, considering the game I'm playing, I can't say I see any fault on their (blog owner) side of the table in this scenario.

    Well... That's all I got.

    Beyond that I'll just agree to disagree.
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    • Profile picture of the author dayanthan
      Originally Posted by ladida View Post

      I'll say this Dayanthan,

      Maybe I came on a little strong... or maybe it's late now and I'm just tired. Not sure.

      Anyway, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. My only real problem with anything you've said thus far is your characterization of a blog owner who doesn't want to allow comments or links or... whatever on their site that doesn't relate to their site.

      I believe it's their right and technically, you seem to agree. Yet - and I'm not assuming this as I'm basing my conclusions on statements you actually made - you begrudge them for doing so. I didn't assume that you called them arrogant. You did. But the only evidence you laid out to support your claim - that these site owners are, in fact, "arrogant" - is that they wouldn't let you place a backlink on their site.

      In my opinion it's all part of the game. If you want to go out and get backlinks for your site using this method then by all means do so. Just understand that there are going to be people who don't like it. The thing is - you're the one whose intentions are not clear. And by you, I mean any marketer (myself included) using this method. If you're on some blog or forum, the blog owner's intent is quite obvious. Me or you, however... no matter how much we contribute aren't really there to contribute, are we? We're just playing the game so we can get what we want out of the situation -- a backlink.

      The thing is if the blog owner or other site members take issue with that... if I don't like it I do fully understand it. If I were in their position maybe I would feel the same way too. But I'm not. And I don't really care. And if they get mad, ah well. ...bigger fish to fry elsewhere; time to move on.

      The point is though, considering the game I'm playing, I can't say I see any fault on their (blog owner) side of the table in this scenario.

      Well... That's all I got.

      Beyond that I'll just agree to disagree.
      No problem. I understand now. Perhaps you were tired so it's cool.
      My basic argument is that the blog can do what they want, sure. But I find people on the internet want to take but not give. I feel I have seen this with some blog owners. They are free to do this, but I for one am not going to praise them or support them. I feel that people do better when they help each other and even here I see that people are so quick to doubt someone's motives and suspect them. I have been rubbished as a spammer on here and yet not once have I told anyone to buy what I am selling. I find some of the attitudes "arrogant" (can't think of a better word) and this applies to individuals who operate blogs because they have the power and bugger anyone else who is of no use to them. It is that attitude that I don't like. I am just making a judgement not telling anyone what they have to do. It's not like I am the President.
      I feel that if I am on a blog and if I take the time to read the post and respond I feel I am giving the blog something and I don't feel like a leech. I am grateful to get a link in return. That is all I am saying really. But if I feel like I am suspected then I'll move on because I don't need to invest time on sites that think lowly of people like me.
      I also say that if people burn their bridges and not take into account other people (so long as those other people are not damaging their interests like spammers do) then others can feel rejected and not have the goodwill toward someone. The blog owner is missing out if you know what I mean. A little bit of goodwill goes a long way.
      In this case such people in my view can't feel sorry for themselves if they are not achieving their goals when they snub other people who try to add value to their site. A backlink doesn't appear to be harming do follow blogs. I just think there is a lot of self centeredness in this kind of issue that we are talking about. And I am saying that to get you often have to give. If one doesn't want to then fine, but you make your bed and you lie in it.
      I am sorry if my previous posts were a bit rude, but I guess I reacted to the mischaracterisation of me.
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