HELP! I'm Failing To Making Money On The Internet

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Hi Warrior Forum Guru's

I want your help. I've spent over sixty thousand dollars over several years trying to make money on the internet - and I keep failing!

In Linchpin, by Seth Godin, he talks about the new economy and being rewarded for giving. Well, let me give you some of the internet strategies I've tried and failed to make good money. Hopefully, you'll learn something from my mistakes.

I would love to know if you've tried these strategies and whether you were let down by the promise of mega profits. Perhaps you have other strategies that failed that you'd like to own up to.

- Cloning websites with an affiliate link back to a download product. I've had limited success, but mostly with dodgy download gaming sites.

- Black hat techniques used by Howie Schwartz with an Amazon affiliate link. Loads of effort and zero income.

- Create a website on options and futures and link to options university for a big ticket payout. I made $200

- Building twitter accounts with thousands of followers and sell the accounts on ebay. I used software sold by tweetadder and paid an outsource team to create loads of accounts. I made $75

- Paid $3,000 for a Matt Bacak course which gifted me with a weight loss website. Built and autoresponder, pulled in a list of 100 and made $65 which was later refunded.

- Scrapped names from forums and emailed affiliate offers on related products. No luck.

- Created almost 50 full e-commerce websites all driven from one multi-site engine. Used Google PPC to target specific products which drove the traffic to a niche e-commerce site. Someone had made $35 million doing something similar. I made $20,000 selling multi-fuel stoves using this niche strategy, but lost it all paying the supplier and development costs. I was then sued by the manufacturer so sold a few of the websites and stopped.

- I wrote an ebook on making money using twitter, but haven't sold any copies.

- I bought Google Shadow and used Google PPC strategies, but had no winners.

- I set up a web consulting business and made several hundred dollars offline. However, no one understood how difficult it was to get their websites to page one so I have put no further effort into this strategy.

- I was hooked with a product called NicheATM, which promised google page one websites with a few clicks. I made no money after a lot of effort.

- I used facebook to advertise a clickbank product. The advertising costs went ballistic and conversions were disappointing. 0/100 hops

- I run affiliate offers using Zango, Ad Brite and Ad Sonar - all failed which was an expensive lesson learned.

- I bought the ultimate exit pop-up which works well to build a list of names, but has yet to translate into money.

- I've tried building and selling websites to 'bricks and mortar' companies and made a few thousand dollars, but nothing to compensate the time and effort.

I would love to hear from anyone having (or had) a similar experience. In fact, I want to talk to you. mail me and share your story or skype me on paul.kemp2 or send a message via twitter paul_s_kemp




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  • Profile picture of the author Gclunis
    I think that you should take a real look at the list you just made. From reading through it I can see that you are all over the place, your scattering yourself.

    It takes just as much effort to fail as it does to succeed...but it takes much more FOCUS to succeed than it does to fail.

    I would suggest that you take a break....write down all the possible BUSINESS MODELS that you can think of....research each one and pick a business model that you like. After that you do the niche research and such and build an actual long term business..then focus on it and only it...
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by Gclunis View Post

      I think that you should take a real look at the list you just made. From reading through it I can see that you are all over the place, your scattering yourself.

      It takes just as much effort to fail as it does to succeed...but it takes much more FOCUS to succeed than it does to fail.

      I would suggest that you take a break....write down all the possible BUSINESS MODELS that you can think of....research each one and pick a business model that you like. After that you do the niche research and such and build an actual long term business..then focus on it and only it...
      Gclunis- I would agree with you; it shows my scatter gun marketing technique has yet to yield success. I also agree it takes loads of effort to fail. I'll take you advice on board about the long-term business model - especially now I'm a Dad for the first time to two new twin boys. Thanks once again...
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      • Profile picture of the author ishamlaw
        Hi

        I belive the problem is you change the strategy too much. My first money online was using ebay and amazon. Then I move to make websites but do not abandon my ebay business. My goal is to make multiple income streams for my future. I do not change my plan until I notice is not going anywhere.

        And I keep distance for the new models. I only use proven methods.
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    • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
      Originally Posted by Gclunis View Post

      I think that you should take a real look at the list you just made. From reading through it I can see that you are all over the place, your scattering yourself.

      It takes just as much effort to fail as it does to succeed...but it takes much more FOCUS to succeed than it does to fail.
      Awesome, awesome piece of wisdom here bro. There's money in that statement.

      To the poster: it sounds like you're chasing opportunity instead of passion. Passion will give you focus. Also, a few things you've tried were not contribution based (in other words, trying to get without giving). Sorry to be so blunt, but an Ebook on how to make money using Twitter from someone who wasn't successful at it?

      I could go on, but I think the point has been made. I suggest choosing a niche you're passionate about and making like a stamp: sticking with it until you get to your destination.

      Also (and I can't help but do this), I own an SEO and copywriting firm, so if you're serious about your success, hit me up with a PM. Hope you take by bluntness as a positive thing...but 60k and one year is a good reason to ask for help, so kudos to you for that.
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    • Profile picture of the author suemax
      I agree with that - take a break, look at the list, then make a plan going forward, and stick at it for a while.

      My view is this - at the end of the day, it is a matter of numbers. Traffic is key - you need to drive traffic to an offer which converts. Do that, and you will make money. I suggest you learn some traffic generation methods, from scratch, so to speak, and try a few.

      Also, you say you have what most newbies crave - a list!! Surely there is something you can start to sell your list?
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      • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
        I think the problem you are facing is that you are trying to spend your way to success.

        I'd advise you to start an internet marketing strategy that will cost you zero money.

        There are hundreds of successful internet marketers who took their time and worked their way from zero to earning very respectable incomes online.

        Take time out to really find a technique that you can put your faith in and work at it.

        Failure is a part of internet marketing.

        The successful marketers are the ones who learn from their failures and continue to press on.
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    • Profile picture of the author moneycometh
      "- I set up a web consulting business and made several hundred dollars offline. However, no one understood how difficult it was to get their websites to page one so I have put no further effort into this strategy."

      I'm using this strategy right now. I have a Dr. client whom I've help simply to a gesture of goodwill and to create testimony which I will get from her shortly. I didn't pitch that her site will be on the first page of Google. What I pitched to her was that the marketing that I would do for her would cause her phone to ring and clients to walk through the door.

      I happened that the keywords that went after did help her dominate the first page of google. So it was a bonus this occurred. Reminds me of what I hear all the time "under promise, but over deliver"

      Ultimately it will be a win-win for the both of us because the Dr. get ringing phones and clients through the door and I get a great testimonial and new clients. All is well!
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      • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
        Originally Posted by suemax View Post

        I agree with that - take a break, look at the list, then make a plan going forward, and stick at it for a while.

        My view is this - at the end of the day, it is a matter of numbers. Traffic is key - you need to drive traffic to an offer which converts. Do that, and you will make money. I suggest you learn some traffic generation methods, from scratch, so to speak, and try a few.

        Also, you say you have what most newbies crave - a list!! Surely there is something you can start to sell your list?
        Suemax - Great advice. The most challenging thing is sticking to good advice. For example, I've put effort into creating a clickbank product called 1 Day Product Launch .

        However, Clickbank have rejected it. I'll try and find out why. However, I can already feel my excitement about trying something new on mobile marketing using 1 Day Product as a template. GREAT STUFF! PAUL

        Originally Posted by Devid Farah View Post

        I think the problem you are facing is that you are trying to spend your way to success.
        David - You're absolutely right. I had a view that you must spend to succeed. I felt it was a necessary part of the learning curve for success.

        Remember, I come from a background of working in the city of London for 10 years in Asset Management. American firms regularly spent millions to break into the European market. Many of them who spent the most succeeded in the UK. For me, spending money equals success.

        I guess a harsh lesson I've learnt is that spending to succeed in internet marketing is NOT true. Just think of how many business went bust during the dot com boom because they forgot about the importance of cash flow. On the flip side, its about the only business you can start with zero investment. GREAT STUFF! Paul

        Originally Posted by moneycometh View Post

        "- I set up a web consulting business and made several hundred dollars offline. However, no one understood how difficult it was to get their websites to page one so I have put no further effort into this strategy."

        I'm using this strategy right now. I have a Dr. client whom I've help simply to a gesture of goodwill and to create testimony which I will get from her shortly. I didn't pitch that her site will be on the first page of Google. What I pitched to her was that the marketing that I would do for her would cause her phone to ring and clients to walk through the door.

        I happened that the keywords that went after did help her dominate the first page of google. So it was a bonus this occurred. Reminds me of what I hear all the time "under promise, but over deliver"

        Ultimately it will be a win-win for the both of us because the Dr. get ringing phones and clients through the door and I get a great testimonial and new clients. All is well!
        Moneycometh - I tried a business called Build Me A Squeeze Page and earnt a few thousand dollars. However, I found exactly the same thing. Clients had no idea the effort that goes into a page one listing. Have you tried a performance fee whereby you ask the client to pay you per new enquiry. I guess the challenge is policing the new enquiries to ensure you get paid. GREAT STUFF! Paul
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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by pkmembers View Post

          David - You're absolutely right. I had a view that you must spend to succeed. I felt it was a necessary part of the learning curve for success.

          Remember, I come from a background of working in the city of London for 10 years in Asset Management. American firms regularly spent millions to break into the European market. Many of them who spent the most succeeded in the UK. For me, spending money equals success.

          I guess a harsh lesson I've learnt is that spending to succeed in internet marketing is NOT true. Just think of how many business went bust during the dot com boom because they forgot about the importance of cash flow. On the flip side, its about the only business you can start with zero investment. GREAT STUFF! Paul
          Paul, while it's true that having money can dramatically accelerate your progress towards success in IM, it has to be backed up with massive action.

          I've met many people who mistakenly think that all they need to do is sign up for some high-priced coaching program or purchase some high-end system from a Guru, and then everything will magically occur with no or very little work on their part.

          Nothing could be further from the truth. You can purchase tools and resources, and even get coached by some of the best in this industry, but at the end of the day it's up to you to take action based on what you've learned.

          No one else can do it for you, and without massive and consistent action on your part, all the high-priced courses and coaching will go to waste. You have to stick to just one method or system for at least several weeks (conservatively) before you see any tangible results.

          A coach will help speed up your progress, but things still won't occur overnight. Please get used to this, and then really concentrate on the task at hand, no matter which system of method you may be following.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    So you failed to apply the lessons Linchpin
    taught to your business

    Tyrus
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    • Profile picture of the author Muhammad Hassan
      Have to reinforce the idea that you have done a
      lot of things and should concentrate and focus.

      Let's look at a big positive buried in the middle:

      made $20,000 selling multi-fuel stoves

      It may have gone wrong later, but you did make
      $20,000.

      Questions:

      What did you do to make $20,000? - i.e. what worked

      Which of these actions can you repeat to make money?


      What did you do that made you lose the money? - i.e
      what did not work

      How would you change these actions to prevent you
      making the money?

      You have made money (more than the vast majority
      of people on this forum) - that's a success. If you've
      done it once then you can do it again


      You've also got knowledge and experiences that
      others do not have and would want to know. How
      can you provide that knowledge and make money?
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      • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
        Originally Posted by Muhammad Hassan View Post

        Have to reinforce the idea that you have done a
        lot of things and should concentrate and focus.

        Let's look at a big positive buried in the middle:

        made $20,000 selling multi-fuel stoves

        It may have gone wrong later, but you did make
        $20,000.

        Questions:

        What did you do to make $20,000? - i.e. what worked

        Which of these actions can you repeat to make money?


        What did you do that made you lose the money? - i.e
        what did not work

        How would you change these actions to prevent you
        making the money?

        You have made money (more than the vast majority
        of people on this forum) - that's a success. If you've
        done it once then you can do it again


        You've also got knowledge and experiences that
        others do not have and would want to know. How
        can you provide that knowledge and make money?
        Muhammad

        It's great you made an effort to reply with very good questions. Let me tackle them

        What did you do to make $20,000? - i.e. what worked
        I went into a joint venture partnership with a web designer who identified a gap in the market for multi-fuel stoves; especially the most popular stove n the UK - Hunterstove. We launched a great e-commerce website working with an Indian outsource web development team. We bought the domain hunterstove.com which was very cunning because the manufacturer didn't sell to the public; although they did have a website using the plural 's'.
        However, customers only searched for ONE stove in google, hence found our site hunterstove.com (with NO s). We hooked up with a dealer and I sold loads of stoves over the telephone.

        The manufacturer feared a backlash from their dealers who'd spent (on average) over $60,000 kitting out expensive show rooms. So, the manufacturer threatened to sue us unless we changed domain name. Once I changed domain, our traffic died and the dealer lost interest in supplying us.
        My lesson learned was you need the approval of a manufacturer; especially if they don't sell direct to the public.

        Which of these actions can you repeat to make money?

        I tried repeating by selling a hot product called Vue Fold bi-folding doors - the manufacturer found out and politely asked us to stop selling. The same issue - they didn't want to ruin their relationship with suppliers who pay to have show rooms.

        What did you do that made you lose the money? - i.e
        what did not work

        How would you change these actions to prevent you
        making the money?

        I would not overpay for outsourcing.
        I would be careful about partnerships, my business partner took out 100% of profits from the business because he was broke.

        Thanks Muhammad for the tips and helping me with a way forward.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by Tyrus Antas View Post

      So you failed to apply the lessons Linchpin
      taught to your business

      Tyrus
      Hey Tyrus - I've downloaded onto my Kindle Seth's Free Prize Inside, Permission Marketing and Purple Cow. Which one would you recommend I read next?
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  • Profile picture of the author excuzemee
    You have a killer list. It's HUGE.

    I did this too. I can't say what is happening to you. I can say what was happening to me though.

    business is business.

    And making money takes focus.

    I'm not going to tell you about me, but I will tell you about my business mentor.

    why?

    He started out in universty on his way to SEVEN degrees by doing garage sales to make money. He understood that learning stuff in school does not teach anything about making money.

    He took his garage selling hobby onto the internet, and ended up being one of the largest canadain ebay powersellers. This paid for his doctorate AND his (then) new hobby of Real Estate investing. After succeeding in ebay, then applying that success to realesate, he started trading. Because he now had a decent monetary base to work from.

    Now he owns his own hedge fund.

    People are crawling over each other to give this guy money.

    I sat down with him one day and he he gave me a piece of advice because I tend to become interested in something then leave it after a couple of months.

    He told me to pick ONE THING and stick to it until I turned it into a success. Then do another. "Rinse and repeat" is a simlar phrase that is thrown around this forum alot.

    Find a model in that heroic list you have, pick one that make unequivocal sense to you, one that you believe is THE BEST one that will get you to where you have to go.

    and STICK TO IT UNTIL IT WORKS.

    one system, one focus, one outcome.

    Gather up the discipline, courage and intent... and plug away at it until it works. And do it again tomorrow. And then do it again the next day, and the next, and the next.

    Turn yourself into a very finely-tuned, heat-seeking, laser-guided missile targeted on ONE singular focused objective.

    pick one, stick to it.

    You've probably heard this a million times, an maybe keep getting lost. find one that makes perfect clear sense to you and do it... and they all probably make sense to you. so, picture yourself five years from now and telling people how you made your millions using one system only and how easy it was.

    haha!

    ka-ching!
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    • Well I can't claim to have made millions on the internet, however, I did just make my first $1.19 from a squidoo lens I created, and THAT gives me motivation. Because if I can just duplicate that 100x's or 1000 times, well then its working. Now, the squidoo thing was made a few weeks ago when I was allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll over the place with "making $ on the internet' I had all kinds of wacky clickbank products like affiliatex, and whatever else product/program that was currently #1 in clickbank, then I started reading about blogging, and then how to generate traffic, and then this, and that, so, I simply took a break for a few days, I cancelled all the crap I bought and got my money back, and decided to stick with the ONE thing that brought me to WF in the first place: Launching and selling our Real Estate investing product we created. See, I got sidetracked with affiliate marketing dreams (which can come true if you just focus on that), and then blogging riches, and then to fb marketing, and this and that.

      So NOW, over the past 2 weeks or so, I commited myself to our product launch and the product that we worked on for 3 years in real estate investing. Its tempting to branch off and download a free ebook or a 5 dollar WSO, all that does is distract. so yes, the common theme here is to STICK WITH ONE THING, PERIOD!


      SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE from experiance, that is the best thing because now you wont make those mistakes. When we started our RE business, we made sooooooooooooo many mistakes, but we didnt make them twice AND WE STUCK WITH SHORT SALES! we didnt try to flip houses, or wholesale, or do probate deals, we did short sales and thats it. nothing else no matter what the gurus were touting as the "best real estate investing strategy in the world right now" We kept our focus on one strategy, which was the best decision we ever made. hope my .02 helps. DONT GIVE UP DUDE!!!! KEEP AT IT, PICK ONE AND DO IT AGAIN!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
        Originally Posted by HotDamnShortSales View Post

        Well I can't claim to have made millions on the internet, however, I did just make my first $1.19 from a squidoo lens I created, and THAT gives me motivation. Because if I can just duplicate that 100x's or 1000 times, well then its working.
        HotDamnShortSales A great insight into the potential hook many of the money making strategies use to entice you. The hook is that you see how easy it is to make small amounts of money. Then you multiply the amount by 100 or 1000 and it's millions. I've been in contact with a few students of a program called NicheATM. In April, they were promised a web creation tool that gets sites to Google page one with a few clicks. Why stop with just one website on page one? Why not have hundred. Anyway, 6 months of work and many websites later, they have a portfolio of worthless websites.

        Anyway, I guess the lesson is to find a real money making system that can be ramped up by multiples of a hundred.

        great stuff!
        Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by excuzemee View Post

      You have a killer list. It's HUGE.

      I did this too. I can't say what is happening to you. I can say what was happening to me though.

      business is business.

      And making money takes focus.

      I'm not going to tell you about me, but I will tell you about my business mentor.

      why?

      He started out in universty on his way to SEVEN degrees by doing garage sales to make money. He understood that learning stuff in school does not teach anything about making money.

      He took his garage selling hobby onto the internet, and ended up being one of the largest canadain ebay powersellers. This paid for his doctorate AND his (then) new hobby of Real Estate investing. After succeeding in ebay, then applying that success to realesate, he started trading. Because he now had a decent monetary base to work from.

      Now he owns his own hedge fund.

      People are crawling over each other to give this guy money.

      I sat down with him one day and he he gave me a piece of advice because I tend to become interested in something then leave it after a couple of months.

      He told me to pick ONE THING and stick to it until I turned it into a success. Then do another. "Rinse and repeat" is a simlar phrase that is thrown around this forum alot.

      Find a model in that heroic list you have, pick one that make unequivocal sense to you, one that you believe is THE BEST one that will get you to where you have to go.

      and STICK TO IT UNTIL IT WORKS.

      one system, one focus, one outcome.

      Gather up the discipline, courage and intent... and plug away at it until it works. And do it again tomorrow. And then do it again the next day, and the next, and the next.

      Turn yourself into a very finely-tuned, heat-seeking, laser-guided missile targeted on ONE singular focused objective.

      pick one, stick to it.

      You've probably heard this a million times, an maybe keep getting lost. find one that makes perfect clear sense to you and do it... and they all probably make sense to you. so, picture yourself five years from now and telling people how you made your millions using one system only and how easy it was.

      haha!

      ka-ching!
      excuzemee

      Great words! Thanks

      "You have a killer list. It's HUGE." Yes - I have a total of 37,000 double opt-in emails, 70% of which is from the gamer community. However, because I lack focus these people are unresponsive to my emails.

      "Now he owns his own hedge fund." Ironically, I worked for over 10 years in a sales team in London for an American Asset Manager; one of the largest independent hedge fund managers. A team of 2 of us helped win $15 billion to manage. So, I know these hedge fund guys deal in huge sums of money. In any event, the irony is I left this six figure salary because management become too bureaucratic. I thrived for the freedom of an entreprenuer. I guess this is the primary reason why I lack focus.

      one system, one focus, one outcome.
      I love this phrase and will stick it on my wall

      Great Stuff!
      Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author Elvin
      you are right. FOCUS FOCUS FOCUS. it is the key. This is a very valuable advice. I have had all sorts of plans in my head. i will do this, this, that, this, this....and i havent done any YET.
      Today i opened my personal website and i will invest my focus in it. after that i will begin developing my plans, ONE BY ONE, with full focus on them.
      This was great advice pal.
      if you want to check out my site and tell me what you think, you are more than welcome:
      www[dot]ccwebsites[dot]net
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Crikey what a mess.

    You are seriously lacking focus. And pressing the panic button and throwing money around.
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    • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
      I want your help. I've spent over sixty thousand dollars over several years trying to make money on the internet - and I keep failing!
      I've spent over sixty thousand dollars over several years trying to make money on the internet
      over sixty thousand dollars
      What? What the hell did you spend that money on? Did you become a victim of some MLM, hyip investment scam?

      I wrote an ebook on making money using twitter, but haven't sold any copies.
      Obviously, the lesson here is - if you don't know how to make money on X, then don't teach people how to make money on X.
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      • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
        Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

        What? What the hell did you spend that money on? Did you become a victim of some MLM, hyip investment scam?


        Obviously, the lesson here is - if you don't know how to make money on X, then don't teach people how to make money on X.
        LetsGoViral - a great lesson learned and one more should take heed when selling poor money making ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zero
      You need focus.
      I hope this isn't breakin any rules...so try this:
      7 Steps to Unstoppable Income | Rich Schefren

      Its Rich Schefren's 2 part webinar accelerated business webinar. It still seems to be online for now. I watched them a few months ago, helped me a massive amount. It gave me clarity on what i needed to do. Maybe you'll benefit from watching them.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      Crikey what a mess.

      You are seriously lacking focus. And pressing the panic button and throwing money around.
      Jazbo - well said! I was a perfect target for all the internet guru products. I thought throwing money at the problem, which is what my former employer used to do, solves all problems. I now love the saying "if your online business can't make money with zero investment, then why should it make money with millions of investment"
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      • Profile picture of the author anyelir46
        Originally Posted by pkmembers View Post

        Jazbo - well said! I was a perfect target for all the internet guru products. I thought throwing money at the problem, which is what my former employer used to do, solves all problems. I now love the saying "if your online business can't make money with zero investment, then why should it make money with millions of investment"
        i now love this too "if your online business can't make money with zero investment, then why should it make money with millions of investment"

        will keep this is my mind.

        btw Paul, DONT GIVEUP !!
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinw1
    In order for you to make money (especially in a sustainable, long term business), you have to provide value in return for the money you get. Many of your listed ventures provided little to no value for others - so it should be no surprise you didn't make any money.

    What have you done, and can you build a business on, that provides real value (not just rehashed info) to others?

    Work that out, then do what others have said, and focus.
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    • Profile picture of the author peace1
      Originally Posted by kevinw1 View Post

      In order for you to make money (especially in a sustainable, long term business), you have to provide value in return for the money you get. Many of your listed ventures provided little to no value for others - so it should be no surprise you didn't make any money.

      What have you done, and can you build a business on, that provides real value (not just rehashed info) to others?

      Work that out, then do what others have said, and focus.
      I aggree with you kevin. To be really successful you have to provide REAL value in return for the money you get. People will always go there, where there is value and they will stick there.
      The other things are of course focus and persistance. I would recommend you to read "The Science of Getting Rich" by Wallace D. Wattles (Free to read here xtrememind. com/science.pdf). Don't give up and focus on something that you can do and that provides real value to people.
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      • Profile picture of the author peace1
        By the way, one of the top internet marketers Jeremy Schoemaker also experienced lots of failures. Read about his top failures here shoemoney. com/2006/09/04/my-top-10-worst-ideas-to-make-money/
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          By the way, one of the top internet marketers Jeremy Schoemaker also experienced lots of failures. Read about his top failures here shoemoney. com/2006/09/04/my-top-10-worst-ideas-to-make-money/
          That post was freaking hilarious. You made my day. Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by kevinw1 View Post

      In order for you to make money (especially in a sustainable, long term business), you have to provide value in return for the money you get. Many of your listed ventures provided little to no value for others - so it should be no surprise you didn't make any money.

      What have you done, and can you build a business on, that provides real value (not just rehashed info) to others?

      Work that out, then do what others have said, and focus.
      Great stuff Kevin - Provide real value. I'll heed these words. I see so much mis-information and mis-selling going on around the net that I got caught up in it. Focus seems to be the key for me.
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        I don't know why i am plugging this wso but i think john taylors mentoring could be what you need. That is as helpful as i think i can be on this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author jtribe
      Originally Posted by kevinw1 View Post

      In order for you to make money (especially in a sustainable, long term business), you have to provide value in return for the money you get. Many of your listed ventures provided little to no value for others - so it should be no surprise you didn't make any money.
      Yes I agree with Kevin, you're providing no value.
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      • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
        Originally Posted by pkmembers View Post

        ...why not exchange my login details with someone who has unwanted logins to private memberships that they have bought.

        So, do you want access to online courses that teach you about

        PPC
        Social Marketing
        Running an online business
        SEO

        or perhaps a 'paid for' Keyword research tool

        plus much more.

        Simply PM me or email me and I'll share my private logins with you.

        Great Stuff!
        This idea is so I can help my members who bought my WSO How I Blew $60,000 To Give WSO 30 Minute Video Reviews Every Day [With Proof]

        Originally Posted by melo5560 View Post

        In the immortal words of Mr. Miagi in Karate Kid...
        Focus, Daniel-san, Focus
        Melo - You're absolutely right. The challenge I've had is focusing on the money; which has led me to chase too many guru ideas. I'll try focusing on meetings needs and adding value, what every true marketer must do.

        Originally Posted by trudye View Post

        1. Vision - what is the purpose of your web business - what are you wanting to achieve or accomplish. Is it just to make money or to help people etc.
        2. Goals - what are the goals you need to reach in order to achieve your vision. There could be only 3 or 4 goals or 10 or 11. Goals should be specific and measurable. It is like drawing a target with a bullseye. This allows you to evaluate if you are hitting the target and if not make adjustments
        3. Steps - write out the steps you need to take to accomlish each goal. It is not enough to have goals you must have a plan to achieve the goals.
        4. Strategies - write out the strategies you need to implement to accomlish the steps.
        trudye - Excellent guidance! I'll take a real stab at these four. In summary:
        Vision - create a regular income of £5,000 per month which directly replaces my previous salary I gave up. Migrate to Dubai, buy a villa and use my online income to support my family and replace our reliance on my wife's salary.

        Great Stuff!

        Originally Posted by jtribe View Post

        Yes I agree with Kevin, you're providing no value.
        tribe - Thanks for the blatant truth that I failed to see until now. Every project I start with 'how much money is someone else making from this strategy'. Instead, I ought to think 'how much value does this provide to people'...

        Great Stuff!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary D
    Wow
    it seems you went through some rough times.
    Did you wrote you got sued by a manufacturer? That must be the worse experience ever.
    I hope you find your niche and I wish you the best...

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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    You have guts. A lot of guts Paul.

    You put your mistakes, failures, and successes out in the open for all
    to see and hopefully learn something from. I commend you for it. And
    I can relate.

    I can relate because I did the same things you are doing now.

    Your problem is common among those who take too MUCH action, and
    do it like a bad habit. It's the total opposite of NOT taking action. Both
    are equally destructive. One habit is the cowardly way to go therefore
    you experience almost zero pain of lost, and the other has potential to
    be extremely painful FROM lost.

    I won't judge you.

    It's easy for someone to look at your situation and say, "oh, well that's
    stupid". But you have the freakin' BALLS to put your neck on the line to
    get what you want. Although, some of those ways are a little "shady",
    there were many more that are legit and could actually help people solve
    a problem -- not create a new one (spam, blackhat, etc).

    With that said, I will not give you advice because I don't think you're
    looking for it. It's clear you've done things that MADE you money, and
    you have -- without knowing it -- solved your own problem.

    You lack FOCUS.

    My daily sales in clickbank get LARGER because of focus. My sanity stays
    in check because of focus. And my endurance in bed is longer than usual
    BECAUSE of focus (joking).

    Out of ALL the methods you placed here, it's up to you to pick one and
    stick with it for a period of time before you do another system.
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  • Profile picture of the author randoggle
    I would like to add that whether your business is online based or whether you have a store front as well, there must be checks and balances. Any business requires capital to start and to sustain you until you are able to obtain enough bussiness that it is able to pay you a liveable wage and not make the business broke.

    The biggest reason that business fail is strictly becuase people give up!

    I feel the concept of setting up a money generating website gets people all wound up about getting rich quick. Does anyone in there right mind open up a clothing store or restuarant or some other type of store front on lots of borrowed money and little or no education and expect to make it rich in a few months or even a few years?


    GET REAL!!!!!!!!!

    The most successful business as a general rule take 1 to 3 years to become profitable.....PROFITABLE. What does that mean????? Paying alll the wages, bills, etc etc and still having some left over to pay taxes with.

    Should an online business be scrutinized any differently?

    Good luck to you. There are a lot of people on here that have already posted plenty of generous advice. I really wish you luck in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Supernatural_fan
    I tried making money online by using sites which payed writers to submit short little articles and reviews to them. I lost a lot of precious time writing articles which not only weren't paid, but were also rejected due to reasons which i found to be rather shocking. For example, one product review was rejected because of copied content. Do you know what the copied content was? The name of the product! It really makes you laugh in your own bitterness when you find people that promise or guarantee you'll make loads of money, when their sole interest is to rip you off or steal the work that you have put a lot of efforts into.
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  • Take a break, seriously, don't try anything for a while, have a complete brain rest. All the opportunities will still be here when you get back.
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    • Profile picture of the author genietoast
      Out of your list of things you've done -- at least you've done something rather than analysis paralysis -- it looks like you chose these mass, distribute spread options.

      So it doesn't seem very niche-like unless I missed something.

      Perhaps, focus on one or two techniques like the list-building with a giveaway product. Build one blog in niche topic, build optimized web pages, build high quality backlinks.

      If you ever get the chance, look for Shane Melaugh's Backlink Battleplan. Very comprehensive education on how backlinks work and creating an automated backlinking system that doesn't get you in trouble with Google.

      If you upgrade to his Battle Plan Elite, he's got a series of video on prouctivity and it addresses the very topic you're talking about, "Why am I not making money?"

      He offers some tips to help you focus. That's mainly what you need, a focused strategy. An internet marketers, we tend to get distracted very easily by all the latest stuff.

      It seemed like the list-building thing worked for you for a bit. I'd say pick that one back up. Perhaps having a blog will help you out, too. Combine both efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane N
    Hey Paul,

    Sorry to hear about your disappointing results, however...

    I see a few key problem points with what you've done:

    1. You built a list of ONLY 100 -- definitely not a large enough list to help you recover your $60k... Not really large enough to make much money from at all.

    2. You dabbled in black hat techniques.

    3. You made $200 from your "options and futures" website and then apparently gave up. Why didn't you continue to make more and build the site? Was $200 not enough incentive?

    4. Again, you paid $3K for a course, then with all the tools they gave you, built a list of only 100 and then gave up.

    5. You made a few thousands dollars selling websites to offline businesses... And then gave that up too! Instead of up-selling them to SEO services, monthly recurring revenue for SEO, hosting, etc...

    Not trying to be too hard on you, but as you can see... There are different ways of looking at what you've done. From some angles it looks like you've tried your hardest and failed... but from other angles it appears as though you gave up way too soon on several great opportunities...

    What do you think?

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    • Profile picture of the author lerxtjr
      Take a break, seriously, don't try anything for a while, have a complete brain rest.
      I'd agree and say yes take a break from the Internet, but NEVER take a break from selling. It sounds like to me you need more drilling in selling and gaining trust from people so that they'll buy from you...instead of investing so much into the latest tricks and tactics people are using to make their sudden millions. It's common for these two things to be an obstacle (selling and trust) when simply trying to use the web to "make money." Gain trust and people will buy anything you tell them to buy.

      If you want to PM me on this, I'm happy to share. But, I'll warn you up front that there's a product behind it that would be your training ground for selling and gaining trust if you want to play.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Well, it sounds to me like you've been utterly suckered into the "make money fast" opportunities which rarely work quite as described. That's putting it mildly: most of them, frankly, are outright b*llocks.

    Not only that, but many of the methods you're talking about having tried are of questionable ethicality ... cloning sites, scraping usernames to spam advertisements?

    Very little (to none) of your efforts have been concentrated on actually building a real, solid business.

    Try doing something that is known and proven to work by masses of people on these forums, rather than by getting drawn in by silly sales pages and shady "fast money" tactics.
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  • Profile picture of the author LauraJames
    I would recommend that you slow down and regroup. I have counseled people often on just this issue. Many of these people have ended up going into business for themselves. Some market the skills they have learned through their involvement in internet market. Others have my company build them a customized, high conversion website, blog, software product, along with other products. My company also puts people in business for themselves, even if they don't have an existing blog or website or product. I tell you this because I want you to know there are options. One thing to please keep in mind is the opportunity for you to brand yourself and be in control is something that certainly should never be overlooked. Each time we have put people in business for themselves, it is so gratifying when they become empowered and in control. Obviously, there's too much to cover in this type of response. Please let me know if you have any questions. Best wishes to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris G
    I agree with the above posts where you are all over the place and need to narrow your focus on a few methods that 1) you like to do and 2) you see some results.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin View Post

      You have guts. A lot of guts Paul.

      You put your mistakes, failures, and successes out in the open for all
      to see and hopefully learn something from. I commend you for it. And
      I can relate.----You lack FOCUS.
      WhoIsBenjamin - Thanks for your insights. I love the idea that taking to much action is equally destructive than no action, but with the additional pain of failure. This is straight from Seth Godin who talks about your "Lizard brain". Its the main reason why so many protect themselves from failure by staying in dull careers and taking zero action. I take your advice on focus because it seems to be the overwhelming suggestion.

      Originally Posted by randoggle View Post

      I would like to add that whether your business is online based or whether you have a store front as well, there must be checks and balances. Any business requires capital to start and to sustain you until you are able to obtain enough bussiness that it is able to pay you a liveable wage and not make the business broke.

      The biggest reason that business fail is strictly becuase people give up!
      ---
      randoggle - Great suggestions! I went from a steady city salary to setting up an offline traditional business. As you can imagine, this involved a very steep learning curve. This was before being attracted to the 'internet marketing' dream of working anywhere you have an internet connection. Anyway, I liquidated my traditional business after a year and had to make redundancies. I learned about focus, but I also learned the importance of giving up quickly when something is not working. I think I lost less money by taking a quick decision than if I'd struggled on during the reccession. Great Stuff! Paul

      Originally Posted by Supernatural_fan View Post

      I tried making money online by using sites which payed writers to submit short little articles and reviews to them. I lost a lot of precious time writing articles which not only weren't paid...
      Supernatural_fan - In the spirit of confession, I've only watched the series supernatural once, but it was enough to print a picture of the lead character with bushy hair and take it into the hairdresser saying - I want to look like this. The point I'm making is that maybe my scattergun approach to online money making is because I'm going through a mid-life crisis and time is running out. Thanks for your story.

      Originally Posted by just my 2 cents worth View Post

      Take a break, seriously, don't try anything for a while, have a complete brain rest. All the opportunities will still be here when you get back.
      just my 2 cents worth Thanks for your advice - I've already taken it. I had a month in Dubai with my wife and new born twin boys. I figured it would save me losing more money by taking a month off. Hence, I'm back in the game which I started by confessing my story on the warrior forum

      Originally Posted by Shane Natan View Post

      I see a few key problem points with what you've done:

      1. You built a list of ONLY 100 -- definitely not a large enough list to help you recover your $60k... Not really large enough to make much money from at all.
      Shane - Good key points - thanks. The point about the list is I captured only 100 names from my initial dabble in list building. I've actually built a multiple list of several niches which is now in excess of 30,000. However, it could be 130,000 because I have failed to add value to my list who are unresponsive - primarily due to a lack of focus.

      Originally Posted by genietoast View Post

      Out of your list of things you've done -- at least you've done something rather than analysis paralysis -- it looks like you chose these mass, distribute spread options.
      Genietoast - Its great to get an outsiders perspective. My background is a decade in sales, so I'm weak when it comes to analysis. I'll most likely look for opportunities to take my list offline and engage with them on a one-to-one. Thanks - Paul

      Originally Posted by lerxtjr View Post

      I'd agree and say yes take a break from the Internet, but NEVER take a break from selling. It sounds like to me you need more drilling in selling and gaining trust from people so that they'll buy from you...
      lerxtjr - It's good to be taken back to my roots in selling tactics. I've got lost with the faceless transactions on the internet and forgotten that actual people make those clickbank purchases. I'll take on board your advice about trust; basically becoming the Doctor in the surgery - whom you'd listen to and trust when buying medication. Great Stuff!

      Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

      Well, it sounds to me like you've been utterly suckered into the "make money fast" opportunities which rarely work quite as described. That's putting it mildly: most of them, frankly, are outright b*llocks.
      DireStraits - Well said

      Originally Posted by LauraJames View Post

      I would recommend that you slow down and regroup. I have counseled people often on just this issue. Many of these people have ended up going into business for themselves.
      Laura - Thanks for your note. Ironically, I went into business for myself after spending $1500 on a life coach. I convinced myself to give up a six figure city salary and start a business. That's why I've lacked focus because I'm working hard looking for a successful business strategy that can help me justify leaving my job. Although I've yet to stumble upon a six figure internet idea, at least I feel more enriched with my projects and love the freedom an internet occupation gives me. Great Stuff!

      Originally Posted by Chris G View Post

      I agree with the above posts where you are all over the place and need to narrow your focus on a few methods that 1) you like to do and 2) you see some results.
      Chris - Thanks

      Originally Posted by krankxl View Post

      I would say that you stick to one method no matter what
      krankxl - Easy to say, but useful advice.

      TO ALL WARRIOR FORUM MEMBERS - Please keep the suggestions coming.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    It sounds like you've scattered your efforts in many different and diverse directions, probably executing many of these ventures concurrently.

    I understand that almost everyone wants to make money quickly, but by spreading yourself too thin in too many directions, this can often be counterproductive, such as what has happened in your case.

    It sounds like you were starting to make some headway in a few of the ventures you mentioned, but unfortunately it is quite apparent you became impatient and quit before things started taking off.

    What I'd suggest you do is go back and look at what you have done in the past, and pick one thing that you liked doing and felt had a real chance of success, and really focus on that and tweak/improve things until you see real, consistent results coming your way.

    Do not get restless and get diverted in your focus by doing any more than one thing at a time. Once you see that things are working and you're reasonably satisfied that it'll become successful, then move on to something else on the list.

    Do not underestimate the power of focus, that is most likely the main contributing factor which kept you from succeeding at any of your ventures.

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  • Profile picture of the author DebReset
    Reading your post was to some extent like looking in the mirror, except you had a lot more follow through than I did. Like you I have spent a lot of money buying products and courses. Then life happens, I get a job that demands too much, the next greatest thing comes along and I jump over to it... Those JV deals may be great for the partners, but you getting passed around from one to another - the metaphor it reminds me of would be too off color to mention. I study too much and execute too little. So all the advice you got has been helpful to me. It was helpful to hear the part about focusing said over and over - maybe it will help it get through my thick skull.
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  • Profile picture of the author jjnmconte4
    Making on the internet is tough. A blizzard of tools and products. Most of which are useless. Lots of competition. Yes, you have skipped around a lot. But I'm willing to be you've learned a lot along the way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Luis Medilo
    It's a very unfortunate situation you are in. Especially thinking about the money you've spent in your online ventures. But I think you've learned your lessons, and become wiser through experience. Based on your experiences, I think that you already have the knowledge to make your mark online. However, you need to focus on one method and stick to it. Maybe you gave up too easily just because you didn't make money from a venture in the time you expected. Sometimes, you need to be more patient.
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  • Profile picture of the author CalvinWarr
    I feel for you... it's not an easy road... but we are travelling it nonetheless!
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by peace1 View Post

      I aggree with you kevin.

      Originally Posted by peace1 View Post

      By the way, one of the top internet marketers Jeremy Schoemaker also experienced lots of failures. Read about his top failures here shoemoney. com/2006/09/04/my-top-10-worst-ideas-to-make-money/
      peace1 - Great insight about providing real value. I guess the challenge is to distinguish between real value and perceived value. I think it's just as useful to learn about internet marketers failures as well as the successes - its all useful knowledge


      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      It sounds like you've scattered your efforts in many different and diverse directions, probably executing many of these ventures concurrently.

      paulie
      - The common suggestion is 'lack of focus' - you're right on the money

      Originally Posted by DebReset View Post

      Reading your post was to some extent like looking in the mirror, except you had a lot more follow through than I did. Like you I have spent a lot of money buying products and courses. Then life happens, I get a job that demands too much, the next greatest thing comes along and I jump over to it...
      DebReset - Its great to read about similar stories. Do you know where I can find information about the internet money making strategies that fail? That would be useful to know about...

      Originally Posted by jjnmconte4 View Post

      Making on the internet is tough. A blizzard of tools and products. Most of which are useless. Lots of competition. Yes, you have skipped around a lot. But I'm willing to be you've learned a lot along the way.
      jjnmconte4 - I've gone through a complete transformation - from Newbie to someone who knows 99% more than average joe bloggs on the street. That's a journey I've really enjoyed. Over 75% of people in the future will undertake more than one career change in their lives - most will have several. This is a trend us internet marketers will capitalize on. Great stuff! Paul

      Originally Posted by loyski View Post

      It's a very unfortunate situation you are in. Especially thinking about the money you've spent in your online ventures.
      loyski - I would claim the money I've spent was useful training toward a new career and; hopefully, a living. The unfortunate thing is I cannot carry on throwing money at the main issue - which is to have successful living working from the internet. I'm running out of time hence my scattergun approach hoping something will stick.


      Originally Posted by CalvinWarr View Post

      I feel for you... it's not an easy road... but we are travelling it nonetheless!
      CalvinWarr - Great wisdom! You're right, I'll much rather be in the work I'm in now than the boring bureaucratic asset management industry. It's much more vibrant and free; just doesn't pay as well at the moment! Great Stuff! Paul K.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarafina
    1. Don't invest anymore money into internet marketing. There are free resources to learn and you can do all the work yourself.

    2. Pick ONE plan and follow it through.

    3. If you failed, learn from it and move on. If you succeed, rinse and repeat.

    Once you build up some money you can start outsourcing and repeating the successful steps on a larger scale.
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  • Profile picture of the author eddy6112
    Originally Posted by pkmembers View Post

    Hi Warrior Forum Guru's

    I want your help. I've spent over sixty thousand dollars over several years trying to make money on the internet - and I keep failing!

    In Linchpin, by Seth Godin, he talks about the new economy and being rewarded for giving. Well, let me give you some of the internet strategies I've tried and failed to make good money. Hopefully, you'll learn something from my mistakes.

    I would love to know if you've tried these strategies and whether you were let down by the promise of mega profits. Perhaps you have other strategies that failed that you'd like to own up to.

    - Cloning websites with an affiliate link back to a download product. I've had limited success, but mostly with dodgy download gaming sites.

    - Black hat techniques used by Howie Schwartz with an Amazon affiliate link. Loads of effort and zero income.

    - Create a website on options and futures and link to options university for a big ticket payout. I made $200

    - Building twitter accounts with thousands of followers and sell the accounts on ebay. I used software sold by tweetadder and paid an outsource team to create loads of accounts. I made $75

    - Paid $3,000 for a Matt Bacak course which gifted me with a weight loss website. Built and autoresponder, pulled in a list of 100 and made $65 which was later refunded.

    - Scrapped names from forums and emailed affiliate offers on related products. No luck.

    - Created almost 50 full e-commerce websites all driven from one multi-site engine. Used Google PPC to target specific products which drove the traffic to a niche e-commerce site. Someone had made $35 million doing something similar. I made $20,000 selling multi-fuel stoves using this niche strategy, but lost it all paying the supplier and development costs. I was then sued by the manufacturer so sold a few of the websites and stopped.

    - I wrote an ebook on making money using twitter, but haven't sold any copies.

    - I bought Google Shadow and used Google PPC strategies, but had no winners.

    - I set up a web consulting business and made several hundred dollars offline. However, no one understood how difficult it was to get their websites to page one so I have put no further effort into this strategy.

    - I was hooked with a product called NicheATM, which promised google page one websites with a few clicks. I made no money after a lot of effort.

    - I used facebook to advertise a clickbank product. The advertising costs went ballistic and conversions were disappointing. 0/100 hops

    - I run affiliate offers using Zango, Ad Brite and Ad Sonar - all failed which was an expensive lesson learned.

    - I bought the ultimate exit pop-up which works well to build a list of names, but has yet to translate into money.

    - I've tried building and selling websites to 'bricks and mortar' companies and made a few thousand dollars, but nothing to compensate the time and effort.

    I would love to hear from anyone having (or had) a similar experience. In fact, I want to talk to you. mail me and share your story or skype me on paul.kemp2 or send a message via twitter paul_s_kemp




    .
    For one you should stick to one method, and dont pay for another "make money online course" try to use as much as you can from what you already learned, well a little saying my grampa always told me

    "with a little patience and saliva the elephant put it in the ant" lol dont ask what that means lol
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  • Profile picture of the author klinvie
    Hi pkmembers,

    I too want to congratulate you on having the courage to put it out there. This itself shows that you are well on your way. I also had a problem with focusing and let me tell you, it was terrible! I won't bore you with the details but in short, As long as whatever I was doing to make money was new I was excited. But as soon as the newness wore off, I found myself again looking for the next shinny money making program.

    You have a HUGE amount of experience! Even though these programs did not make the money you were hoping, your experience is worth millions! Right now you are in the right place to turn all that around. If you stick here in the forum, not only will you get the help you need but you will be able to help many here as well.

    When you said that you were a target for all the internet guru products This is true with so many people. I know it was for me. I would take a break and draw up a plain of action but include in that plan strategies on Staying Focused. Although you've tried lots of things to make money, at least you tried. This is much better than procrastination. I'm sorry for the money and time you've lost in those programs. I hope you have better success from now on.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlbertWesker
    Hey guys Im new to this forum... and I wanted to ask a quick question

    Basically im trying to monetize a youtube video i've acquired... it gets a certain amount of hits daily...basically what happens is if u click the link in the description it takes you to a landing page where you sign up ur name and email and u become a part of my list... for doing this u get a free 20page ebook on the subject i created.... Once your on my list i've also written out a crapload of emails that im using aweber to send to everyone... thats basically what ive done so far... it launches tomorrow...can anyone help me with anything ive missed..sorry if i placed this in the wrong place im new here!

    thanks in advance

    Albert
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by ishamlaw View Post

      Hi

      I belive the problem is you change the strategy too much.

      I now agree.

      Originally Posted by sarafina View Post

      1. Don't invest anymore money into internet marketing. There are free resources to learn and you can do all the work yourself.

      2. Pick ONE plan and follow it through.

      3. If you failed, learn from it and move on. If you succeed, rinse and repeat.
      Thanks - I'll be sure to rinse and repeat.

      Originally Posted by eddy6112 View Post

      For one you should stick to one method, and dont pay for another "make money online course" try to use as much as
      Eddy - This is the overwhelming advice - you're bang on target - cheers.

      Originally Posted by Jobfreetop View Post

      I don't know why i am plugging this wso but i think john taylors mentoring could be what you need. That is as helpful as i think i can be on this one.
      Jobfreetop - I'll check it out - Great Stuff!

      Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom View Post

      That post was freaking hilarious. You made my day. Thanks!
      thebitbotdotcom - I'm pleased it made you laugh. I guess you've gotta laugh at life!

      Originally Posted by klinvie View Post

      Hi pkmembers,

      I too want to congratulate you on having the courage to put it out there.
      Klinvie - I wouldn't call it courage, but its been helpful to get a differennt perspective from various warrior's

      Originally Posted by AlbertWesker View Post

      Hey guys Im new to this forum... and I wanted to ask a quick question

      Basically im trying to monetize a youtube video i've acquired...
      Albert
      Albert - how many views are you getting - do you have a link to your youtube video you can send me? Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author aymen99
          Your problem is that you were doing what otherS so called Gurus are telling you to do,you was copying other peoples money making ways,which is over abused these days,i'm not saying you can't make money that way,but you should have a IM mind and you should closely target the success stories in your niches and try to see what makes that story succeed.
          Something else to start making money online you shouldn't risk your life for it (i mean don't spend too much) because you wilL be loosing everything in case anything went wrong.
          -Start with building your own network and focus on that
          -Start small,because everything comes step by step,there is no over night fortune (i'm talking legally of course )
          -Try to come up with your own money making trick,try to better it and enhance it so it will be your way to make money online
          -My personal advice => Focus on the long term marketing (SEO,list building.....etc)

          =>If you can't do that so don't bother yourself with IM
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  • Profile picture of the author lorenzmac
    Just like everyone else is saying, you should definitely stick to one thing at a time. It's going to be a pain in the ass in the beginning and you may fail and/or lose money. You must pull through, focus, and don't give up! Eventually you'll make it
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  • Profile picture of the author Gloria Joseph
    Hi, I made similar mistakes doing this and that until I found a mentor. My advice is get yourself a mentor and do what they tell you to do and you will succeed. A good mentor will will teach you the same success methods he or she uses, that way you are sure to make it. Star on a clean sheet now and focus okay. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author d_cousins
    Edison failed 10,000 times before he made the electric light When asked how did it feel to fail 10,000 times trying to make the electric light Edison said " I did not fail 10,000 times, I found 10,000 ways not to make it"

    He focused on making the electric light until it worked this is what you must due. Just like a lot of people have already said in here before me.

    The good news is I have been there as well. I can't even count the number of times if took me trying different things that didn't work.

    The hardest thing for me was getting people to my site.

    The money really is in the list but making the list is only half the battle. You have to make everyone on that list trust you and always try and give something to everyone before you ask for something

    "You can have everything you want in life if you just help enough other people get what they want" Brian Tracy

    My friend if you have a list then start right now and find something you can offer them, build relationships with them make them trust you.

    Give them information that will help them. Teach them the lessons you have learned about making money online.

    Once you help them they will help you and accept anything you offer them. And never stop building your list because that really is where the money is.

    One more quote before I leave

    “Anyone can give up, it's the easiest thing in the world to do. But to hold it together when everyone else would understand if you fell apart, that's true strength.”

    Never give up my friend you are almost there
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by lorenzmac View Post

      Just like everyone else is saying, you should definitely stick to one thing at a time. It's going to be a pain in the ass in the beginning and you may fail and/or lose money. You must pull through, focus, and don't give up! Eventually you'll make it
      lorenzmac - Great advice. I guess the challenge is to stick with something that has yet to succeed for me. My original thinking was to try many different techniques, then focus on the one that works. However, what is success and how do I measure it? Is it earning $19 on a clickbank offer and then promoting it like mad? Lots for me to think about - you've been a great help. Great Stuff!

      Originally Posted by Gloria Joseph View Post

      Hi, I made similar mistakes doing this and that until I found a mentor.
      Gloria - Very wise words indeed. I originally had a mentor whom I paid $3,000. You've made me realise that I've neglected his training and should now listen to his weekly conference calls. Thanks and great stuff!

      Originally Posted by d_cousins View Post

      Edison failed 10,000 times before he made the electric light When asked how did it feel to fail 10,000 times trying to make the electric light Edison said " I did not fail 10,000 times, I found 10,000 ways not to make it"
      d_cousins - I love this quote; it really helps. I'll let you know when I get to 10,000 failed online strategies. Great stuff! Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      I just recently paid good money for a money making product called

      MassCashCoverup

      The reviews were poor, but I wanted to see what was inside the box. The information covers a lot of the same stuff I've seen before.

      It got me thinking, instead of pursuing a refund....

      ...why not exchange my login details with someone who has unwanted logins to private memberships that they have bought.

      So, do you want access to online courses that teach you about

      PPC
      Social Marketing
      Running an online business
      SEO

      or perhaps a 'paid for' Keyword research tool

      plus much more.

      Simply PM me or email me and I'll share my private logins with you.

      Great Stuff!
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      I think it's interesting that the only thing that made you money was selling your services to brick and mortar businesses.

      Looking at that long list I'd suggest that:

      # You narrow your focus down tight. Do one thing and do it well.

      No one wants to pay for the guy who's okay at a ton of things but they'll pay a premium for someone who's a leading expert in one area.

      Put another way if you need surgery you don't want someone who worked 6 months in a butcher shop and is "taking a whirl" at trying his skills on human patients.

      You want a trained surgeon who specializes in the type of surgery you need.


      # If you're going to sell your services to local businesses learn to charge more.

      When you're getting paid $2,500+ per project life becomes a whole lot easier.

      Someone being objective might say you're not failing to make money using your skills.

      You've made thousands selling your services.

      You just aren't making ENOUGH money to make it worthwhile. Charge more. Deliver more value.


      # Focus back on genuinely helping people and being of service to them.

      On your whole list only three things stick out as you having done something that would be of genuine service to others.

      Two involve helping businesses and the other is the twitter book.


      Also remember that it can take time to build the level of skill, experience, assets and confidence you need to make serious money online.

      Some people take a few weeks to get to that point, others take a few months and others take a few years.

      You've built a nice foundation of experience and some skills.

      Now it's time for you to focus on and get genuinely serious about doing one thing that has the potential to work and really start making an income.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
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      Great Post D_Cousins!

      For pkmembers, know how you feel,felt the same way,spent thousands on what doesn't work,like Edison, That is GOOD.

      Found out what does work and concentrated on just that.
      Don't TRY to do it any more, JUST DO IT! To say we are going to TRY and do something, is to accept failure before we start.
      You have got what it takes, RIGHT NOW, to succeed, just do more of it.
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    • Thanks for the post Paul! And thanks everyone that replies to Paul! Man Ya'll just helped me out as well. I know I need to focus on one thing, but I been all over the place. I will now go and focus on one key element in my business and master that and go to the next. Once again I say thanks......
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  • Profile picture of the author Tymarkinc
    Originally Posted by pkmembers View Post

    Hi Warrior Forum Guru's

    I want your help. I've spent over sixty thousand dollars over several years trying to make money on the internet - and I keep failing!

    In Linchpin, by Seth Godin, he talks about the new economy and being rewarded for giving. Well, let me give you some of the internet strategies I've tried and failed to make good money. Hopefully, you'll learn something from my mistakes.

    I would love to know if you've tried these strategies and whether you were let down by the promise of mega profits. Perhaps you have other strategies that failed that you'd like to own up to.

    - Cloning websites with an affiliate link back to a download product. I've had limited success, but mostly with dodgy download gaming sites.

    - Black hat techniques used by Howie Schwartz with an Amazon affiliate link. Loads of effort and zero income.

    - Create a website on options and futures and link to options university for a big ticket payout. I made $200

    - Building twitter accounts with thousands of followers and sell the accounts on ebay. I used software sold by tweetadder and paid an outsource team to create loads of accounts. I made $75

    - Paid $3,000 for a Matt Bacak course which gifted me with a weight loss website. Built and autoresponder, pulled in a list of 100 and made $65 which was later refunded.

    - Scrapped names from forums and emailed affiliate offers on related products. No luck.

    - Created almost 50 full e-commerce websites all driven from one multi-site engine. Used Google PPC to target specific products which drove the traffic to a niche e-commerce site. Someone had made $35 million doing something similar. I made $20,000 selling multi-fuel stoves using this niche strategy, but lost it all paying the supplier and development costs. I was then sued by the manufacturer so sold a few of the websites and stopped.

    - I wrote an ebook on making money using twitter, but haven't sold any copies.

    - I bought Google Shadow and used Google PPC strategies, but had no winners.

    - I set up a web consulting business and made several hundred dollars offline. However, no one understood how difficult it was to get their websites to page one so I have put no further effort into this strategy.

    - I was hooked with a product called NicheATM, which promised google page one websites with a few clicks. I made no money after a lot of effort.

    - I used facebook to advertise a clickbank product. The advertising costs went ballistic and conversions were disappointing. 0/100 hops

    - I run affiliate offers using Zango, Ad Brite and Ad Sonar - all failed which was an expensive lesson learned.

    - I bought the ultimate exit pop-up which works well to build a list of names, but has yet to translate into money.

    - I've tried building and selling websites to 'bricks and mortar' companies and made a few thousand dollars, but nothing to compensate the time and effort.

    I would love to hear from anyone having (or had) a similar experience. In fact, I want to talk to you. mail me and share your story or skype me on paul.kemp2 or send a message via twitter paul_s_kemp


    .
    Paul,

    I feel your pain, we all struggle my friend. The first thing I think you should do is address your mindset.

    You are trying to make money online. That's a sure fire way to fail.

    Instead you should be thinking how you can solve problems for other people.

    But here's what I would do if I were you.

    I would leverage my failures and write a short ebook like 20 to 30 pages. I'm sure you have great perspective on your failures and what you would do differently if you could.

    How many people just starting out, are getting ready to make the same mistakes you just made? Or maybe me... I might be getting ready to make that mistake.

    Anyways...Something like " 6 ways to not blow 60k on your internet marketing business and not make a dime.

    Not the best headline, but you get the idea.

    Think of how you could help people not make the mistakes you've made. (This is why it's important to think in terms of helping solve problems)

    Sell that report here at the Warrior Forum.

    Leverage the success of the report and keep building until you get some momentum.

    Holla! Peace
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  • Profile picture of the author spudnick
    The somewhat intangible nature of making money on the internet can be a killer. It is a silent killer that creeps up on you without you even knowing about it, but a killer nonetheless.

    The Internet is a medium, not a business.

    Because of this, and the ready access everyone has to this technology, I see a lot of people diving into 'Internet Marketing' as if it were a hobby.

    It's not. It is a business.

    It is a business like all businesses. You take a bunch of inputs (labour, capital), you create something of value above the sum of its parts, you sell it and then you get to keep the difference between the costs and the sales (your profit). This applies equally to strict affiliate marketing, as the value you are creating is information to help people decide to buy something or saving people time by putting offers in front of them they are interested in.

    But it is a business.

    I believe that the difference between those on this forum that are highly successful and those that are not making a cent (or worse, losing 1000's of dollars) is truly understanding business.

    Competent business people can be successful in any niche, medium, or market (online or offline) they choose to enter. They surround themselves with subject matter experts to do the grunt work - but in the end, their focus is on the business aspects of the venture such as raising capital, controlling costs, negotiating favourable deals and contracts, managing staff e.t.c

    This is all too quickly forgotten once people start playing in the online sphere.

    Think of it this way - would someone who owned a butcher shop decide one day to start selling shoes as well from their store? Probably not. They may open a shoe shop, but hopefully only after their butcher shop was successful or they decided (for business reasons) to sell a business to go in a different direction.

    If you own a traditional business (let's say a pizza shop) it is very real to the senses. You have a store, ovens, pizza ingredients, delivery cars, a cash register e.t.c.

    Online, you have yourself and a computer. I think thi causes most people to have a sort of brain snap, where it suddenly feels like some sort of magical game like a poker machine. A game that pays out a lot of money.

    So we wander around throwing money at different 'methods', all the while neglecting the fact we are actually running a business. How often do most people stop to think about the business they are running, and not the 'things' they are doing each day.

    I would suggest reading the E-Myth. A great book about owning and operating a small business. In particular, check out the section on the three personas that dominate most business owners - the Entreprenuer, the manager and the technician. Truly valuable stuff.

    I would suggest you stop spending money on trying to 'make money on the internet' right away. Then, take some time off to dig deep and really think about what business you would like to own. Then, find out what steps you need to take to make that happen.

    Spend some time learning about owning and running a business. that is what I am doing - and it is paying off.

    Hope this helps,

    Spudnick
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by Tymarkinc View Post

      Paul,

      I feel your pain, we all struggle my friend. The first thing I think you should do is address your mindset......
      ......I would leverage my failures and write a short ebook like 20 to 30 pages. I'm sure you have great perspective on your failures and what you would do differently if you could.
      Tymarkinc - You have a fantastic idea - reflect on my failures and share them in an ebook on the warrior forum. This will help others to avoid my mistakes; hence trying to add real value. Warriors have already been very helpful sharing their money loss stories - which I can include in the ebook. Great Stuff! You're a star - Great Stuff!

      Originally Posted by spudnick View Post


      The Internet is a medium, not a business.

      Because of this, and the ready access everyone has to this technology, I see a lot of people diving into 'Internet Marketing' as if it were a hobby.

      It's not. It is a business.
      Spudnick - this stuff is really helpful. I, like many others, was attracted to the concept of a business you can run anywhere in the world that has an internet connection. It's the ultimate freedom! The most challenging aspect in my journey is the switch from a city salary profession to a entrepreneurial world. It's taken a few years to adjust and your words are useful in understanding this mindset adjustment. I'll take you up on the e-myth book. Great Stuff! Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author angel1987
    Wow 60,000 Dollars? That's some huge amount. You should have used that money in providing a service to other webmasters. That way you could have generated a lot of members by now. So your money would probably go in getting a script created, domain, hosting and a little bit in advertising and promoting your service. It wouldnt take 60K for that. But you need to think on what unique service to provide to other bloggers.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by angel1987 View Post

      Wow 60,000 Dollars? That's some huge amount. You should have used that money in providing a service to other webmasters
      Angel - yeh! Hindsight is a cruel thing sometimes. At least I was happy to lose that amount of money given a sudden career change. I know a few webmasters that have lost everything - including their house and cars - on pursuing the internet dream. I think for every one story you read about someone's internet success, there are a hundred failure stories that never get published or picked up. At least it'll make success all the more rewarding when it comes! Great Stuff! Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author spudnick
    No problem. I too am in the same position as you with trying to give up a profession for a business. I understand the frustrations.

    Let us all learn together!
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  • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
    I am a newbie in IM. Reading your thread makes no sense to me at all. If something does not work why keeping "throwing good money at it"? Sixty thousand dollars is an obscene amount of money.

    The way I see the IM business is that we need to invest a little, earn a little, invest a bit more, earn a bit more and so on.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post

      I am a newbie in IM. Reading your thread makes no sense to me at all. If something does not work why keeping "throwing good money at it"? Sixty thousand dollars is an obscene amount of money.

      The way I see the IM business is that we need to invest a little, earn a little, invest a bit more, earn a bit more and so on.
      Beatrice - thanks for your common sense words. It now seems difficult to imagine how I lost such an amount. However, it was probably following the opposite of your wisdom.

      Invest a little, lose a little, try something new, lose a little more, try the next hot thing, lose a little more and so on.

      After a few years, the little investments start to add up. I really hope you stick to your philosophy and make money with IM because its great fun and a dream lifestyle if it works.

      Great Stuff!
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  • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
    Originally Posted by SteveLaw View Post

    Paul,

    What are you trying next?
    Steve - a warrior member suggested writing an ebook on these failures. It could help newbies decide whether to try the same techniques as promoted by the top gurus. I'll take it one step further and produce a video library of how I implemented the strategies and the results. It'll remind me what to avoid and be a warning for others tempted by the same money making strategies.

    I'll finish this next week, then decide which project to pick up

    - Mobile Marketing setting up mobile marketing campaigns for businesses.
    - Killer Flipping Secrets - The Definitive Guide to Site Flipping - these guys created a training program, raked in $10,000 per month for several months then sold the site for $30,000 on flippa. I was thinking of searching for a partner who could help with content and do something similar.

    I'd appreciate any suggestions or ideas you may have. Do you have any failed online projects which you'd reccomend avoiding?
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Spending $60k on courses and systems without having anything to show for it is absurd. I think you've been distracted and pulled in too many different directions, and this has kept you from focusing on one thing at a time until you see success in it. I think you already possess the knowledge to be successful, judging from how much you've spent so far.

    Now go out there and implement one method/system that you are inclined toward taking action on, and don't quit or jump to something else until you succeed with it! It's harder than it sounds, trust me. You just have to make that commitment to yourself to keep going until you succeed at it.

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  • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
    Paul, I never have any "failed" projects on my hand, in terms of internet marketing.

    The only things was, big or small return, fast or slow return

    You had your "return", but which was just not so rewarding.

    In a nutshell, the only thing I see failed in you, and also myself, was the "LACK OF FOCUSING" thing.

    And also, we might be over-complicated all of those things, from what we've learned, or people were just trying to making it over-complicated, because they were taught to be doing so.

    Let me show you how simple it can be: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ding-only.html

    As we're speaking, I'm constantly making money from a 2 hour effort, and I'm turning that 2 hours of effort into $150+ (and counting) within 2 days.

    No other place than in here, the WarriorForum.

    Start small, stick to one, roll it big, AND QUICK.

    Note down what works and what doesn't, repeat the one which works for you, an tweak the not-so-good ones.

    That's my way of taking it.

    With that said, all the best to your endeavour! FOCUS!


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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

      Paul, I never have any "failed" projects on my hand, in terms of internet marketing.

      The only things was, big or small return, fast or slow return

      You had your "return", but which was just not so rewarding.

      In a nutshell, the only thing I see failed in you, and also myself, was the "LACK OF FOCUSING" thing.

      And also, we might be over-complicated all of those things, from what we've learned, or people were just trying to making it over-complicated, because they were taught to be doing so.

      Let me show you how simple it can be: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ding-only.html

      As we're speaking, I'm constantly making money from a 2 hour effort, and I'm turning that 2 hours of effort into $150+ (and counting) within 2 days.

      No other place than in here, the WarriorForum.

      Start small, stick to one, roll it big, AND QUICK.

      Note down what works and what doesn't, repeat the one which works for you, an tweak the not-so-good ones.

      That's my way of taking it.

      With that said, all the best to your endeavour! FOCUS!


      Aiden Chong

      Shout out to Aiden. Thanks that was my post from a while ago. It is still making money with that simple little ugly website even though we are writing articles here or there. But I see these post all the time in here now.

      To the person who said they spent $60 000 on IM stuff....wow!....just wow. I am speechless....dunno what to say to that.
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  • Profile picture of the author zinally
    I try simple thing offer my expertise on doing what I like promotional videos of 30 sec videos and I got daily offer of gigs! Do what you love to do and earn money! Period.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Spending $60k on courses and systems without having anything to show for it is absurd. I think you've been distracted and pulled in too many different directions, and this has kept you from focusing on one thing at a time until you see success in it. I think you already possess the knowledge to be successful, judging from how much you've spent so far.
      Paulie - the overwhelming theme from successful warriors is focus. Its challenging because I thrive on learning new stuff, which has led me to hust around for something that works. I'll be sure to take heed from your wise words. Great Stuff!

      Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

      Paul, I never have any "failed" projects on my hand, in terms of internet marketing.

      The only things was, big or small return, fast or slow return

      You had your "return", but which was just not so rewarding.

      In a nutshell, the only thing I see failed in you, and also myself, was the "LACK OF FOCUSING" thing.

      And also, we might be over-complicated all of those things, from what we've learned, or people were just trying to making it over-complicated, because they were taught to be doing so.

      Let me show you how simple it can be: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ding-only.html
      Aiden - you hit the nail on the head - a lack of focus. Internet marketing is a great industry to be in because the learning is so much fun. However, like any profession, the people that earn the most of the experts that focus on one thing and do it well enough to get noticed. Thanks for the link. Great Stuff!

      Originally Posted by zinally View Post

      I try simple thing offer my expertise on doing what I like promotional videos of 30 sec videos and I got daily offer of gigs! Do what you love to do and earn money! Period.
      Zinally - I also like promotional videos which is why I have so many uploaded in youtube. Great Stuff!
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      • Profile picture of the author Tymarkinc
        Paul,

        I see your building a buzz up on this thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
          Originally Posted by Affiliate Superstar View Post

          I agree with Gclunis. You are all over the place..and that's ok for now because you're still learning more than 98% of the Affiliate Marketers out there now. Stay away from these paid coarses from so-called Gurus. They get your money and teach you stuff that is usually outdated. That money could be spent in SOOOO many other more profitable funnels in which to generate sales and/or leads for you! Good luck!
          Affiliate Superstar - Great advice! You're the first person to say it's okay for now to be all over the place because I'm learning new stuff! I guess that's my weakness with internet marketing. I enjoy the freedom of running my own business and learning new stuff; especially because I've come from a boring finance profession. However, that has meant I jump around a lot. Anyway, thanks for the reply. Great Stuff! Paul

          QUOTE=wwood;2860157]I had your same problems. Invested lots of money into incredible guru's offers...and didn't earn a single buck.
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          Wwood - it appears there are more people like you and me who have spent money on guru courses chasing the latest money making strategies. I'm collating a list of strategies that have failed people (click the link below). What courses did you lose money on? PM me if you would rather not publish. Great Stuff! Paul

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          Originally Posted by Tymarkinc View Post

          Paul,

          I see your building a buzz up on this thread.
          Cheers Tymarkinc! I wasn't expecting a buzz, but its good to see I've struck a chord. So much stuff is on the net about making money, but the first strategy internet entrepreneurs want to learn is 'how not to lose money' Great Stuff! Paul
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          • Profile picture of the author cscarpero
            Of all your "failures", which one was in an area you see yourself doing long term? Cut out all the black hat shady crap. Get off the "push button miracles" guru lists. Only buy products with proven results without hype.

            Pick one area and only buy courses and tools related to it and stay focused until you succeed.

            By the way, the knowledge you gain from your "failures" will carry over into whatever you do decide to do long term.
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            • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
              Originally Posted by cscarpero View Post

              Of all your "failures", which one was in an area you see yourself doing long term? Cut out all the black hat shady crap. Get off the "push button miracles" guru lists. Only buy products with proven results without hype.
              cscarpero - It's challenging to pick a long term strategy without understanding which one could generate long term money. A crystal ball would be handy. Otherwise, I'll just need guts to stick with something whilst its not making money with faith that it will eventually work.

              I agree with you about avoiding the black hat stuff!

              Originally Posted by cscarpero View Post

              Only buy products with proven results without hype
              I've started a new process when deciding upon a internet marketing money making product. First, I'll find out what the guy launched in the past. Then, I approach previous students to find out about their success with the training. This is how I discovered that NicheATM launched by Nate Anderson failed most students. NicheATMs

              In any event, you've given me an idea. Any new hyped up launches, I'll simply wait a few months before considering the training. Its better to let others be the guinea pigs.

              Great Stuff! Paul
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  • I agree with Gclunis. You are all over the place..and that's ok for now because you're still learning more than 98% of the Affiliate Marketers out there now. Stay away from these paid coarses from so-called Gurus. They get your money and teach you stuff that is usually outdated. That money could be spent in SOOOO many other more profitable funnels in which to generate sales and/or leads for you! Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author wwood
      I had your same problems. Invested lots of money into incredible guru's offers...and didn't earn a single buck.

      You need to take a pause.

      Don't buy each single offer about internet marketing.

      You have to:
      1: Find one method, the one that you like the most. (amazon? clickbank? twitter?)
      2: Find a training course. Take a look on the web, than find customers and ask them about that course. Search for reviews in forums. You don't need more than 200$ for a good course!!
      3: Focus on that method for at least one year.

      It will surely help.
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  • Profile picture of the author dejurs2000
    This forum more or less is a crystal ball... lol. Just read the reviews here.
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  • Profile picture of the author bfas
    Paul,

    Success will come down to applying yourself to an effective business model.

    If you're willing to apply yourself, I can offer you a business model that works. Take a look at my sig. If after checking it out, you tell me you're willing to commit to doing it, I'll give it to you for free. And you'll have your success.

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  • Profile picture of the author Anoopchawla
    I would recommend you to get a mentor, and no I am talking about a free coach because I know you won't be able to find one.

    Nowhere days there are many coaching programs running here. I would suggest you get a coach who promises one on one coaching until you start seeing results.

    Buying another ebook or video program will not help you because you lack focus and as soon as you hit a sticking point you start looking for another silver bullet (like me).

    Here are two offers you should visit
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...5-reviews.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ing-curve.html

    Note: I have not tried their coaching, all I know is if they provide 1 on 1 coaching then that is the only thing that can get you faster results.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by dejurs2000 View Post

      This forum more or less is a crystal ball... lol. Just read the reviews here.
      dejurs - I wonder how many people take the time to write about their failed products. Too many times I see positive reviews for only one reason - to get a commission payment. Nevertheless, it's a good idea to keep up with any reviews from Warriors.

      Originally Posted by bfas View Post

      Paul,

      Success will come down to applying yourself to an effective business model.

      If you're willing to apply yourself, I can offer you a business model that works. Take a look at my sig. If after checking it out, you tell me you're willing to commit to doing it, I'll give it to you for free. And you'll have your success.

      bfas
      bfas - Great Stuff! I'll be sure to check it out as soon as I've finished my latest project. I've given myself a deadline of 17th Nov to finish collating a video library of failed money making strategies which I intend to share with newbies.

      Originally Posted by Anoopchawla View Post

      I would recommend you to get a mentor, and no I am talking about a free coach because I know you won't be able to find one.

      Nowhere days there are many coaching programs running here. I would suggest you get a coach who promises one on one coaching until you start seeing results.

      Buying another ebook or video program will not help you because you lack focus and as soon as you hit a sticking point you start looking for another silver bullet (like me).

      Here are two offers you should visit
      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...5-reviews.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ing-curve.html

      Note: I have not tried their coaching, all I know is if they provide 1 on 1 coaching then that is the only thing that can get you faster results.

      Anoopchawla - Very well said. I agree. The challenge I face is putting into action what I know to be the right thing to do. I went to a 4-day coaching program in London run by Christopher Howard. It was awesome, but I didn't pursue it when he asked for $3,000 to continue with the coaching. I guess if you want the best coach, it costs the most money. Great Stuff! Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author Kudosman
        Its them dam guru's fault with the lovely "silver bullets" they keep launching

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  • Profile picture of the author BonganiS
    The list is indeed long. Like some have indicated, you were doing many things. You need to first do some research on what you will like to focus on. Doing many things at the same time will result in catching nothing. Such leads to frustration.

    Please try to re- focus.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by Kudosman View Post

      Its them dam guru's fault with the lovely "silver bullets" they keep launching
      Kudosman - I think internet marketing is a lot like the Gold Rush. The guys who made all the money were the ones who sold the spades and shovels and sold them to the Gold Diggers. In IM, there is always a bigger and better shovel.

      Originally Posted by aymen99 View Post

      Your problem is that you were doing what otherS so called Gurus are telling you to do,you was copying other peoples money making ways,which is over abused these days,
      aymen99 - to true! I guess not too many people get rich copying others ideas.

      Originally Posted by BonganiS View Post

      The list is indeed long. Like some have indicated, you were doing many things. You need to first do some research on what you will like to focus on. Doing many things at the same time will result in catching nothing. Such leads to frustration.

      Please try to re- focus.
      BonganiS - I'll give the re-focus thing a try. Great Stuff!
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  • Profile picture of the author mad.hat
    If you are still looking for a strategy and have some money to invest then just stick with PPC. START OFF SMALL no matter what your budget is. Outsource the landing page creation and find two cheap copywriters who would each write you up a sales page. Split test your landing pages and find what works in one and what doesn't in the order.

    Modify each landing page to optimize conversions and make them better and better every single day. Go over to Google Webmaster Central and read up on what they have about creating effective ads. Create your own ads and split test here again.
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  • Profile picture of the author imkevintan
    I think, as it has been rightly pointed out here, that you're all over the place here. You'd be much better off if you pick just one method and decide to stick to it till you make it works. Don't worry if you fail the first time, or second, or even 10th time. You'll come across the right formula sooner or later.
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    In the immortal words of Mr. Miagi in Karate Kid...
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  • Profile picture of the author Dwight Anthony
    You need a brain dump, your mind is all over the place like many so would suggest starting over, eliminate all the info. overload man. It happens to the best of us. You know hwo to make money, find a mentor and make a goal of a few dollars a day and ramp it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author AllyW
    Everyone has said it, FOCUS, and they're absolutely right. Here's what I want to add -- whatever you decide to do, make sure it meshes with your personality, make sure you can happily picture yourself doing it 10 years from now. Pick one thing that you enjoy doing, that you feel good about (forget the black hat crap), and that you can see youself doing for a long time.

    One other thing -- the size of your list is not as important as how targeted and responsive the list is. As you have already figured out.
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  • Profile picture of the author wendymay1
    As said before from excusemee. You need to focus on one thing at a time and stick to it.
    Do not deviate until you are earning a good income. continue to perfect your program and leave it on auto pilot. Then you may want to consider outsourcing your work.

    You made $20,000. What did you do to get that amount?
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    I will only tell you a few words: at least you failed because you made many mistakes. You have to blame yourself, and this is not as bad as being a victim of a schizophrenic online, who is very powerful and has one of the most important websites on the internet today. I would never be able to prove to anyone that he provoked me many damages on purpose because he is totally absurd. Craziness lives camouflaged under many masks.

    I can cure all mental illnesses with my work, and many people who suffer from grave mental illnesses attack me. This is part of routine because they have no balance. Anyhow, I just wanted to tell you that this person provoked me a thousand damages on purpose, and there is no way I can prove anything against my powerful enemy. He pays everyone to simply agree with his lies, or pretend that they didn't participate of his diabolic attacks against me.

    Anyhow, I survived, and I'm helping him by giving free information about his case in my articles. He stopped provoking me problems. However, he doesn't think about paying me any compensation...

    Anyhow again, I'm telling you may story in order to show you that there is always something worse. Don't think that you are a big victim of the destiny. You made many silly mistakes, and you paid for them. There are people in this world who pay for many mistakes that they have never made.

    You survived like me. So, go ahead, now that you have learned your lessons. You had some success at least. You are intelligent, you have some money, you have your mental and physical health, a computer, and many other things that will help you accomplish your goals.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarahberra
    Yikes I am sorry. Did you make any money at all??? Maybe you should focus on one methhod for awhile. It seems like you've been bouncing around too much.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roy Lee
    I guess the problem here is that you are all over the place. You need to just choose one business model that fits your personality and work on it consistently until you see results.

    Do not give up even though you see no results initially. We are human and we tend to lose interest or focus when we put in a 100% effort into something and got nothing out of it. Instead of giving up, try to see what went wrong and work to improve your skills in that area. If other people can succeed, so can you.

    The key here is focus and consistency. Just keep that in mind the next time you are working on a new project.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Paul, while it's great that you've released your WSO about dabbling in various IM methods, I certainly hope it's not keeping you from focusing on your real internet marketing.

    While this can be an interesting diversion/side project, I'm afraid that your previous issues with focus and consistency may keep you from your ultimate goal in becoming successful at IM. I'd suggest setting aside at least 2-3 hours for working only on your IM, and this should be apart from the time you spend on managing/running this WSO!

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  • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
    Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

    I think it's interesting that the only thing that made you money was selling your services to brick and mortar businesses.....
    Andrew - Thanks for picking up on the fact that selling to bricks and mortar companies was a success.

    My dilemma is that I'm heavily attracted to the 'internet lifestyle' - work anywhere in the world. I've lived all over the world, including Surfers Paradise, Vancouver, London, Pennsylvania, North Carolina. I've also travelled all over. Hence, trying the automated 'click button' money making methods appealed to me because of the 'freedom' aspect being sold. Nevertheless, you guidance is a fresh reminder to focus on strengths. Thanks and great stuff!

    Originally Posted by AllyW View Post

    Everyone has said it, FOCUS, and they're absolutely right. Here's what I want to add -- whatever you decide to do, make sure it meshes with your personality, make sure you can happily picture yourself doing it 10 years from now.
    AllyW - a worrying thing is that I did this same exercise 10 years ago. I got most things right: happily married, kids, good network of friends, fun, world experiences (climbed to Everest basecamp, trekked Amazon rainforest, scuba dived). However, my true goal of being a successful millionaire fell somewhat short. I'll revisit the drawing board for the next ten years.

    Originally Posted by wendymay1 View Post

    As said before from excusemee. You need to focus on one thing at a time and stick to it.
    Do not deviate until you are earning a good income. continue to perfect your program and leave it on auto pilot. Then you may want to consider outsourcing your work.

    You made $20,000. What did you do to get that amount?
    wendymay - I've written FOCUS on several post it notes around my office. As for the $20,000, this was for physically selling multi-fuel stoves. However, the manufacturer shut me down. The network of dealers didn't appreciate being undercut by the internet. I tried again in a few 'high ticket' areas such as; sunglasses, huts, bi-folding sliding doors. However, I failed to sell anything. I learnt that sometimes you get lucky in a niche and success doesn't necessarily translate to other niches.

    I'd be interested in others views on this?

    Great Stuff!

    Originally Posted by clever7 View Post

    I will only tell you a few words: at least you failed because you made many mistakes. ......
    You survived like me. So, go ahead, now that you have learned your lessons. You had some success at least. You are intelligent, you have some money, you have your mental and physical health, a computer, and many other things that will help you accomplish your goals.
    clever7 - It's always beneficial to be reminded that there are others in the world that are worse off. The Dahlia Llama makes many references to this. Thanks for the motivation. Great Stuff!

    Originally Posted by sarahberra View Post

    Yikes I am sorry. Did you make any money at all??? Maybe you should focus on one methhod for awhile. It seems like you've been bouncing around too much.
    sarahberra - What strategy or niche do you focus on? Ironically, I thought it should be easy to focus because its all one field - 'internet marketing'. However, its a massive industry with a huge spectrum of knowledge required. I've learnt that after three years...
    Thanks

    Originally Posted by Roy Lee View Post

    Do not give up even though you see no results initially. We are human and we tend to lose interest or focus when we put in a 100% effort into something and got nothing out of it.
    Roy - I wonder what other industry or profession has people working 100% for many weeks with no money at the end. Life as an entrepreneur!

    I was initially sold on the concept of doing an hour work and that hour sits online and keeps working for you indefinitely. It beats getting paid an hourly wage. However, the downside is you work online for an hour and run the risk of getting no money from the effort. Thanks for your comment..

    Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

    Paul, while it's great that you've released your WSO about dabbling in various IM methods, I certainly hope it's not keeping you from focusing on your real internet marketing.
    Paul
    Paul - Thanks for keeping me on the 'straight and narrow' with regard to the focus issue.

    My WSO is an interesting project with a good response from my members. the idea was born out of this thread. However, you're right to suggest focussing the other half of the day on one money making strategy.

    Thanks for your continued efforts to keep me focussed. I appreciate your support. Great Stuff! Paul

    Originally Posted by moshecogan View Post

    business is business.
    moshecogan - absolutely - we must have winers and losers in such a competitive world. Although I miss my city salary, I don't miss having a JOB or a BOSS. I love this internet thing and have enjoyed learning such a terrific topics such as SEO, List building etc. Who would've imagined 20 years ago people would make a living in their bedroom from a computer. I only used a computer for writing boring essays for university, CV's (Resume'), reports etc. It only occured to me a few years ago that people were doing this 'Internet Marketing' thing.

    Feel free to PM, email me (info@doomedonline.info), skype me paul.kemp2 or just keep adding your advice to this thread.

    Great Stuff!
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  • Profile picture of the author CoreyJohnson
    You haven't spent enough time on one of the methods to let them succeed. It seems as though as soon as its not going good you give up. You aren't really going to see immediate results from anything unless you have money or experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by CoreyJohnson View Post

      You haven't spent enough time on one of the methods to let them succeed. It seems as though as soon as its not going good you give up. You aren't really going to see immediate results from anything unless you have money or experience.
      CoreyJohnson - Great Advice. Ironically, I thought the same until reading 'The Entrepreneur Emergency' by Rich Schefren. He teaches one important lesson - "make mistakes quickly, then move on'. I've certainly made enough of them. I appreciate your post! Great Stuff! Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author thinkahead
    I think I can only add to what's been said here already - that you are lacking focus and flitting around from one thing to another in search of something that will automatically make you a millionaire.

    Let me tell you, that product does not exist. People may tell you that you can make $300,000.00 in 30 days by making 3 simple clicks but, if you believe it, you are an idiot. This is simply not possible unless you are doing something very illegal!

    You need to change your mindset and go from being the opportunity seeker to the business provider. Stop throwing money at everything that promises you untold riches and focus on one niche, one product, one idea and stick to it. Improve it, rank it well, sell it. You will make money if you stick at it and don't give up.

    On the other hand, it seems to me that you have a ready-made product in a 'Don't Make My Mistakes' guide! I'm sure people would buy that!

    Good luck and maintain focus. You'll get there if you change your mindset.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    I have to say your experience is a whole lot more than many "gurus" I am impressed by your staying power
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  • Profile picture of the author VictorBlack
    Paul S. Kemp... the author?? Hehe now that you are a "Warrior" you should make the "Wizards" pay you what you're worth? Then you wouldn't have to IM...
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by thinkahead View Post


      On the other hand, it seems to me that you have a ready-made product in a 'Don't Make My Mistakes' guide! I'm sure people would buy that!

      Good luck and maintain focus. You'll get there if you change your mindset.
      thinkahead - I read the two reports by Rich Schefren 'Entreprenurial Emergency' and 'Business Manifesto'. Thanks for your recommendation. In hindsight, I wish I'd read these reports three years ago. Nevertheless, I'd have probably dismissed them and chased the 'fake' opportunities sold by gurus. The issue is mindset. You see, when first leave a salary job - you get a buzz about chasing the opportunities. Its great freedom that you dont get in a bureaucratic job. However, I've learnt that, although strategic thinking is a little dull, having a long term view is massively important.

      Thanks for the guidance. Great Stuff! Paul

      Originally Posted by dagaul101 View Post

      I have to say your experience is a whole lot more than many "gurus" I am impressed by your staying power
      dagaul - I'm like a dog with a bone that wont let go. I'm not use to failure - having never failed in education or a career - but I guess you're never to old to learn a difficult lesson in life. Let's see if I can last another 3 years chasing the dream. Great Stuff! Paul

      Originally Posted by VictorBlack View Post

      Paul S. Kemp... the author?? Hehe now that you are a "Warrior" you should make the "Wizards" pay you what you're worth? Then you wouldn't have to IM...
      VictorBlack - my old boss asked me what I'm worth. At the time, I thought I was worth a seven figure sum and my measly six figure salary was not enough. So, I decided to go it alone and make my fortune online. At the moment, I'd love to go back and scream at myself that I'm making a mistake. However, the great thing in IM is you can have big dreams because success is all around you. You're reminded of it every day. I'm keen to make my decision the right one. Hey, at the very least I wrote a book which I would never have done at work. Great Stuff! Paul
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        Originally Posted by pkmembers View Post

        dagaul - I'm like a dog with a bone that wont let go. I'm not use to failure - having never failed in education or a career - but I guess you're never to old to learn a difficult lesson in life. Let's see if I can last another 3 years chasing the dream. Great Stuff! Paul



        VictorBlack - my old boss asked me what I'm worth. At the time, I thought I was worth a seven figure sum and my measly six figure salary was not enough. So, I decided to go it alone and make my fortune online. At the moment, I'd love to go back and scream at myself that I'm making a mistake. However, the great thing in IM is you can have big dreams because success is all around you. You're reminded of it every day. I'm keen to make my decision the right one. Hey, at the very least I wrote a book which I would never have done at work. Great Stuff! Paul
        Paul, I think you possess the right attitude to succeed at IM. You have to be tenacious like a bulldog and not let go of your dreams. It may not come quickly or easily, but the satisfaction will be immense when you finally get that breakthrough...it's really not that far off if you continue to persevere and focus on this!

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    I was referring to this:

    Paul S. Kemp, Fictioneer
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  • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
    I'm starting to believe that by the time Gurus put out a product the ship has often sailed. Once you learn the fundamentals of traffic and conversions the ball is in your court to take action.

    What WSO did the creator of Facebook, POF, <insert blockbuster successful website here> read? I think creativity and ultimately YOUR business acumen is makes you sink or swim. No different than in the brick and mortar world, it is what entrepreneurs were doing for centuries. And a bit of luck helps too.
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  • Profile picture of the author nelaffiliate
    Your long list shows that you are ready to work hard and you are working hard, what is needed now is staying focused on one idea. Affiliate marketing is good, but you need to really do your keyword research carefully and don't use PPC for starters. Use article marketing when starting.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by VictorBlack View Post

      I was referring to this:

      Paul S. Kemp, Fictioneer
      Victor - what a great discovery. I love it. Maybe I should start writing sci fi books instead!

      Originally Posted by Eager2SEO View Post

      I'm starting to believe that by the time Gurus put out a product the ship has often sailed.
      Eager2SEO - I couldn't agree more! Give me a time machine and $5 and I'd invest $1 each in Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo. I'd now have a 6973424% return on investment.

      Originally Posted by nelaffiliate View Post

      Your long list shows that you are ready to work hard and you are working hard,
      nelaffiliate - I always thought it was about just hard work. However, after reading 'The Entrepreneurial Emergency' by Rich Schefren I now believe its about working smart and, strangely, spending time not working at all. Aparently, it helps your creative juices flow and become more productive.
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  • Profile picture of the author emailer
    It's a good think to invest some money in order to make money, but the other thing you should do is to put some effort. Only by the investment itself you won't be able to make the money you want. I actually started IM with 0 investition but I was able to make a decent income and the only reason for my success was the effort I put.
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin1981
    Hi pkmemebers,

    Obviously, you are lacking of 3 important factors, which have led you to great loss of money. Stay Focus, Being Consistent and Perseverance are all you need now to make your online business work.

    Stay Focus
    I don't think I need to explain further as most of our friends replied to your post have pointed out that you have changed your strategies too often; thus, you have lost your focus and you were not really sure what you were doing and what to concentrate on. Whenever a strategy failed to work, you just switched. Why not you take a deep thought and select the IM strategy which interest you the most. SEO? PPC? List Building? Think, think and think. Then, choose one and stick to it.

    Being Consistent
    After you have figured out what you want, then concentrate 100% on it. Take your Matt Bacak course for example. After building up your website (I believe the website you mentioned above was a squeeze page or opt-in page), then you have to concentrate 100% on driving traffic to it. Article marketing, video marketing, PPC and so on. By all means, build your list as big as it could get through genuine ways so that the customer in your list would be your next target market or potential buyers when you launch your next promotion/ new products. Since you have attended so many different courses, you may now apply your social media marketing skill or creating a blog to further enhance your list and build deeper relationship with them. Your customers are willing to buy from you once they trust you.

    Perseverance
    Rome is not build in one day! Along the way, I'm sure all of us would encounter many unpleasant experiences. But, just hang on and stay put. Face them and get them fixed. When you get a problem solved, that would be your valuable experience for the future. Whenever the same problem comes, it will be a piece of cake to you. Success is always largely a matter of hanging on after others have let go.

    I have an eBook and Audio to share with you. You can have it for FREE. It teaches us on how create an automation system that will generate us money even when we are sleeping. There are only 3 simple steps to follow. I think you can apply it to some of the work thats you have previously done and make them work for you again.

    If you/ any of you are interested. Just email me via taicheekeong1981@gmail.com and I will send the free eBook and Audio file to you.

    Hope my sharing and opinion here will not be too lengthy to you. All the best to your future IM undertakings.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    You basically did a load of black hat stuff which you freely admit and made no money?

    Wow, and you're surprised by this?

    - I set up a web consulting business and made several hundred dollars offline. However, no one understood how difficult it was to get their websites to page one so I have put no further effort into this strategy.
    This sums up your entire strategy, instead of picking one area and keeping with it you have instead decided that firing at multiple targets constantly would be the way to go, but did you know that constant fire with an uzi will result in hitting nothing, including a barn door from 5 feet away?

    Pick ONE thing and stick with it, for example explain to those that just do not get it why it is so difficult to get to #1 with just one term and at least help them increase their traffic in other ways so that they will recommend partners to you.

    If you keep misfiring and quitting constantly you will never get anywhere...

    Originally Posted by Benjamin1981 View Post

    Rome is not build in one day!
    You obviously have never considered hiring me to build it then? lol

    Anyways, back to the question at hand I think you should stop paying for anything, sitting down and really figure out what you are good at. I am for example good at being slightly obsessive and can go through thousands of domains on the drop lists to find the gems being thrown away on a nightly basis.

    What you need to do is really get a handle on what you are good at, what skills you possess and what you can get others to do for you. I am a crap writer, so I want to buy those services, which frees me up to do what I am good at.

    What are you good at?
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  • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
    Without having fully read the OP or thread, I confess, here's one suggestion a lot more new IM'ers (and more experienced ones) need to learn:

    Don't spend any money on IM that you haven't already made through IM.

    Want to buy a $2,000 course? Guess what... you have to offer a heck of a lot of services or sell a lot of things to afford that course. By which time you'll have come to your senses and realized the info in that course is probably not what they say it is. This saved my neck several times from the gurus' psychological tactics when I was new and impressionable. Still does when I feel impressionable and read ads or the WSO section.

    Want to buy a $97 course? That's a lot more doable. And hey, when you've worked hard to write a few article packs so you can afford to buy the course, you're a lot more motivated to stick with it and make your investment mean something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Manderson
    Hi,
    Think you need a sense of structure. Knowing where to start,with regards to building and online income. I haven't been online that long myself and I can reelate to the problem that your having. I was overwhelmed with information and bought quite a few products.The thing is, I didn't know how the whole process worked and ended up doin nothing with them.
    Try and find a 'mentor' or someone online to show you the correct steps to take in order to build an online income and presence.

    Hope this helps

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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by darkwizgemz View Post

      That sure is a lot of money and six years is too long to realize that you need help about your business. You need to plan again some stuff about your business if you still want to continue.
      darkwizgemz - Thanks for your post. I've done some planning and come up with the idea of a clickbank product creator service. I think its best to focus on creating the spades rather than chase the pot of gold. Thanks for the tips and Great Stuff! Paul

      Originally Posted by emailer View Post

      I actually started IM with 0 investition but I was able to make a decent income and the only reason for my success was the effort I put.
      emailer - I hear what you're saying. Do you have any suggestions on how I successfully attract affiliates for my new clickbank product creator service? Warrior is a remarkable forum, but I agree with all the advice that it shouldn't be used to attract customers. However, I've been told Warrior members do seek products to sell as affiliates and they also appreciate offers of beta testing products. Great Stuff! Paul

      Originally Posted by success-4-u View Post

      know how you feel,felt the same way,spent thousands on what doesn't work,like Edison, That is GOOD.
      success - thanks for the empathy, it inspires me to hear other success stories

      Originally Posted by edwardboey View Post

      I think most important is not giving up.
      We gotta build up what we have and improve on it.

      Get feedback more from members or fellow warrior members.
      edwardboey - I'm seeking feedback from warriors on my idea of a 1 day clickbank product launch service where I do all the 'donkey' work for an affiliate marketer who wants an information product. I feel its an exciting idea; what do you think?

      Originally Posted by Mreese601@gmail.com View Post

      Thanks for the post Paul! And thanks everyone that replies to Paul! Man Ya'll just helped me out as well.
      Mreese601 - Let me know what you end up focussing on. I'm now focussing on three things. I'll ultimately end up focussing on only the most profitable one.
      1. Clickbank Product Launcher
      2. Managing Internet Marketing Mini Events In The UK
      3. Managing My Membership Site 101 Doomed Online Money Making Strategies
      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Paul, I think you possess the right attitude to succeed at IM.
      paulie888 - Your commitment to this forum is remarkable. I truely appreciate your numerous helpful replies to my post.

      Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

      Also (and I can't help but do this), I own an SEO and copywriting firm, so if you're serious about your success, hit me up with a PM. Hope you take by bluntness as a positive thing...but 60k and one year is a good reason to ask for help, so kudos to you for that.
      sethczerepak - I will need a copywriter, so I'll PM you.

      Originally Posted by Benjamin1981 View Post

      I have an eBook and Audio to share with you. You can have it for FREE. It teaches us on how create an automation system that will generate us money even when we are sleeping. There are only 3 simple steps to follow. I think you can apply it to some of the work thats you have previously done and make them work for you again.

      IMMillionaire.com
      Benjamin1981 - I really appreciate your thoughtful and comprehensive post. You're a real giver. Have you ever packaged your content within a clickbank information membership site? Perhaps with all the content you have, you'll consider creating several videos and becoming a beta tester for my clickbank product launch service

      Originally Posted by Sparhawke View Post

      What you need to do is really get a handle on what you are good at, what skills you possess and what you can get others to do for you. I am a crap writer, so I want to buy those services, which frees me up to do what I am good at.

      What are you good at?
      Sparhawke - Thanks for taking valuable time to post. I spent a lot of time hiring on elance. Going forward, I'll start to hire on Warrior because you have better access to specialists who know the insdustry. I'm hope our paths cross at some point and we get a chance to work on a project you have. I'd love to know whether you have enough content to launch a clickbank membership info product

      Originally Posted by Zabrina View Post

      Without having fully read the OP or thread, I confess, here's one suggestion a lot more new IM'ers (and more experienced ones) need to learn:

      Don't spend any money on IM that you haven't already made through IM.
      Zabrina - Ironically, I made this commitment to myself at the start, but I guess rules are made to be broken.

      Originally Posted by Dean Manderson View Post

      Hi,
      Think you need a sense of structure.
      Dean - I agree fully with what you advise. Thanks

      GREAT STUFF!
      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
        Originally Posted by pkmembers View Post

        I'm seeking feedback from warriors on my idea of a 1 day clickbank product launch service where I do all the 'donkey' work for an affiliate marketer who wants an information product. I feel its an exciting idea; what do you think?
        My Clickbank Product Launch Service, which came about as a result of this thread, is close to completion. The sales page is ready! The thank you and members page is also taking shape.

        I really hope that Warriors, perhaps those who posted comments in this thread, can take a look at my pitch page and provide me with feedback (positive or negative). You can probably guess from my replies that I've got a thick skin when it comes to constructive criticism.

        I've taken onboard all the comments in this thread.; hence I'm spending a lot of energy focussing on this one idea.

        This is why its important to me for feedback from the warrior community before I submit the product to Clickbank.

        Feel free to post your feedback here, or PM me.

        Great Stuff!
        Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author tacoverhoef
    Sounds a lot like my story. I am an action taker just as you are, but the problem was that I toke action on the wrong things or just on to much different things. Right now I am writting a report on how to do it right. Because we do need action takers out there, but we need them to have the right focus on,

    1 what they want to do, the anwser "make money" is not enough,

    2 take the right steps to get there.

    Most of the times this means you need someone to get you where you want to be. A mentor type of person, or an accountebillety partner.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by tacoverhoef View Post

      Right now I am writting a report on how to do it right. Because we do need action takers out there, but we need them to have the right focus on,

      1 what they want to do, the anwser "make money" is not enough,

      2 take the right steps to get there.

      Most of the times this means you need someone to get you where you want to be. A mentor type of person, or an accountebillety partner.
      Taco - thanks for your PM to me. Let me know if I can help with your new report 'How To Do It Right' . Great Stuff! Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author aldovacano
    from what i read from you , your making money system looks like you are trying to make fast money on internet and that's the wrong way of making money online, you should try to educate yourself for making money and forget about blackhat strategies and stuff like that.

    go step by step , stay away from the buying circle trying to find the new loophole of google or the new top way of making money online.
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  • Profile picture of the author Beatrice
    I've spent over sixty thousand dollars over several years trying to make money on the internet - and I keep failing!
    Whoaah! I am a newbie (a few months in IM) and my plan is to spend as little as possible (I try to grab as many freebies as possible). I only spend on items that are absolutely necessary like hosting, autoresponder and buying domains. I don't have the kind of money that you have but even if I had it I would NEVER spend it all without first seeing results!
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  • Profile picture of the author mleopold
    I know how you feel, sort of. I have had thoughts of IM over the last couple years. I have spent a few thousand on one, a couple hundred on others. I think that one of my problems is not finding success quick enough in my endeavors. I have recently went down a different path and find myself to be more driven this time to succeed. Once you make the decision to push forward, no matter what the obstacles, success will be the eventual result. There is a famous quote that goes something like, "most people fail and quit, not realizing that they were just one step away from success".
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by aldovacano View Post

      go step by step , stay away from the buying circle trying to find the new loophole of google or the new top way of making money online.
      aldovacano - thanks for your tips. Ironically, I listened to a tutorial from Jeff Johnson over two years ago and he advised the same thing. Isn't it ironic that you get all the right advice you need, then pursue a path that goes against that advice. I guess the lesson I've learned the hard way is to constantly ask the question 'why am I doing this and is what I'm doing part of my focussed overall strategy? Great Stuff! Paul

      Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post

      Whoaah! I am a newbie (a few months in IM) and my plan is to spend as little as possible (I try to grab as many freebies as possible). I only spend on items that are absolutely necessary like hosting, autoresponder and buying domains. I don't have the kind of money that you have but even if I had it I would NEVER spend it all without first seeing results!
      Beatrice - I sat through a $3,000 Matt Bacak class and wrote down the golden rule "ONLY SPEND WHAT YOU'VE EARNED". I guess rules were made to be broken, but I wish I'd kept to my original rule. If you learn anything from this thread, learn that your 'plan to spend as little as possible' should be stuck to; no matter how attractive the latest money making information product or software appeals to you. Good Luck! Please send me a PM when you've made your first $60,000; I love to hear success stories because it keeps me going.

      Originally Posted by mleopold View Post

      I have recently went down a different path and find myself to be more driven this time to succeed. Once you make the decision to push forward, no matter what the obstacles, success will be the eventual result. There is a famous quote that goes something like, "most people fail and quit, not realizing that they were just one step away from success".
      mleopold - I love the idea that success could be just around the next bend. As it happens, I've just made my first sale from the thread Human Forum Poster which was an idea born out of this thread.

      I've also attracted a load of members to my WSO called 101 Doomed Internet Money Making Strategies for 2011 . Again, the idea to review inside the member areas of recent internet marketing products came from this thread. Products such as:
      • Gheadshot
      • MassCashCoverup
      • RapidMassTraffic
      • MaverickMoneyMakers
      Its way to early to claim success, but my renewed focus and energy gained from these comments has really helped. Great Stuff! Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by pkmembers View Post

        aldovacano - thanks for your tips. Ironically, I listened to a tutorial from Jeff Johnson over two years ago and he advised the same thing. Isn't it ironic that you get all the right advice you need, then pursue a path that goes against that advice. I guess the lesson I've learned the hard way is to constantly ask the question 'why am I doing this and is what I'm doing part of my focussed overall strategy? Great Stuff! Paul



        Beatrice - I sat through a $3,000 Matt Bacak class and wrote down the golden rule "ONLY SPEND WHAT YOU'VE EARNED". I guess rules were made to be broken, but I wish I'd kept to my original rule. If you learn anything from this thread, learn that your 'plan to spend as little as possible' should be stuck to; no matter how attractive the latest money making information product or software appeals to you. Good Luck! Please send me a PM when you've made your first $60,000; I love to hear success stories because it keeps me going.
        Paul, those are two very important points that any internet marketer should keep in mind, regardless of what level of success they're currently enjoying.

        There's truly no secret loophole or technique out there that no one knows about, so you might as well quit trying to waste your time and effort in doing so. Going down that path is only going to doom you to failure as it'll distract you from the actual task at hand.

        In addition, this ties in perfectly with the point that Matt Bacak has made. Now, when you say 'spending as little as possible' is a good philosophy, it is true in some cases, but not all. This ties in with the first point made by Jeff Johnson - it's very easy to get distracted by some shiny new method or system, and then end up spending money you do not have on it. This is when you should spend as little as possible, or not at all! However, if it is a wise investment that applies directly to your current business model (instead of taking away from it), then I think it's perfectly acceptable to spend money there, as it'll help to expand your business in the right direction. For example, outsourcing or SEO software that enhances what you're already doing is a wise investment, in my opinion, whereas spending money on some new method or system that has very little relation to your current business model, isn't!

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  • Here's my impression of internet marketing. The key to success is simply getting your website in front of the right people. It sounds way too easy when you put it like that, but at the end of the day people make up their mind that they are going to buy something 90% of the time before they even sit down. All you need to do now is make sure your site comes up when they do a search for whatever they are buying. Don't overcomplicate the whole internet marketing saga. It really is that easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Summer1
    Thank you for sharing this, i am new on IM, and still learn a lot either myself, other people and this forum.

    I wish you all the best in the next move.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    I have read nearly all of the replies and your original message and am impressed with your honesty and the replies. I have been a little bit of the opposite inside of the internet marketing world.

    I have spent most of my time looking for a strategy that looks like I can do and will be successful. I started with bum marketing and made a few sales but that stopped working and became too long to send manual notes to everybody.

    I see a big problem with the internet marketing world is the little guy has NO PROOF HE IS VALUABLE TO ANYONE. There is too much info and way to many successful niche marketers that makes it hard to even get people to your website.

    Starting as a nobody has yet to be discussed because the people successful now can only reminisce but not relate any longer. 2009, 2008, 2007 were different worlds compared to 10, and 11.

    I have had the problem of not knowing which strategy to use and who to listen to. The successful marketer can use any strategy and be successful with time. They have proof of success, list of buyers, network, and money.

    What does the little guy do, keep failing because he has no credibility. What niche do you want to dedicate yourself to? The answer, who knows, because who knows if there is profit inside. The make money niche is not for beginners.

    If you are not making money PLEASE STOP SELLING MAKE MONEY PRODUCTS. I fell into that trap for most of my time online. I was a walking hypocrite.

    Crazy thing is I found a code where I could of faked my earning in video and it looks real and everything, but I couldn't cheat people like me out of their hard earned money.

    You hear this whole bring value stuff. I kind of roll my eyes because there is always crap products promising to bring value and literally stealing money and making more people skeptic.

    Then there is the whole build a list and cultivate the list. People's inbox's are filled with agressive "I don't really give a crap about you, I just want to get richer" marketer and if you have no proof guess who you are going to listen to, the expert which is the rich guy who started 5-10 years ago when competition was alot less.

    So what do you do? Direct linking campaigns? I personally am going to focus all of my efforts in building traffic to a cpa site for jobs and build a wordpress site with valueable job training of pages from my ezine articles. I am going to target longtail keywords and use SEnuke until I can afford XRummer.

    The offer only pays $1.20 and I made my first $1.20 yesterday. The people do not have to pay when they get to the CPA offer. I am driving my intial traffic from ezine articles and using market samurai for keyword research.

    I don't trust guru's and really don't have to much faith in honesty over people's desire for money. I do know this, I have never stayed plugged in to one strategy for more than a month. This is changing. I also left the make money niche, because I am like a con man even saying something works and I have made nothing using it.

    If I can get 2000 people to the cpa offer each month I can replace my monthly income. My second mission is to follow my mentors guide in getting to the top of Google, with my wordpress site, by using a ton of backlink strategies. Some manual and alot automated by software.

    I will start targeting long tail keywords and build from there. I am researching a spy ppc software that will help me identify profitable keywords. I am interested in PPC, but don't have a lot of extra money after bills.

    I would love to talk to you on the phone, maybe we can help each other. I have not made more than $300 in the whole year and a half that I have been online. It has been a tough journey but I will never give up.

    Nothing is a money making doom strategy, because somebody can make it work, if they stick with it and keep investing thought process, time, energy and other minds. Each strategy you tried had a workable method inside, you just let it go before you found your duplication strategy.

    How can 101 doom strategies be value when they are actually workable strategies if you devise a plan and tweak it till you see profit. There is no happy story at the end of your video.

    I am interested to know if you have a plan?
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    I like the 1day product launch, idea. The pay button doesn't work. Getting a product on clickbank is easy. Are you telling me your going to be the copywriter for $29? A lot of marketers just don't feel like they have any proof to justify them creating their own product.

    This method does not have automation inside and isn't enough to justify outsourcing. Showing people how to write copy, make website, graphics and create product and then upload it to clickbank would be automation.

    Turning it into a membership with traffic strategies that you do as the test dummy would be something I would be interested in. Your website design is a little amateurish, no offense.

    No testimonies, examples of the process.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by jamesrich1 View Post

      I have read nearly all of the replies and your original message and am impressed with your honesty and the replies
      Originally Posted by jamesrich1 View Post

      I like the 1day product launch, idea. The pay button doesn't work. Getting a product on clickbank is easy. Are you telling me your going to be the copywriter for $29? A lot of marketers just don't feel like they have any proof to justify them creating their own product.

      This method does not have automation inside and isn't enough to justify outsourcing. Showing people how to write copy, make website, graphics and create product and then upload it to clickbank would be automation.

      Turning it into a membership with traffic strategies that you do as the test dummy would be something I would be interested in. Your website design is a little amateurish, no offense.

      No testimonies, examples of the process.
      James - I appreciate your comments. [I've sent you a PM].

      I hear what you're saying with regards to automation.

      The need I've identified is that affiliates want their own product, but cannot be bothered with all the hassle of building a product.

      If I can attract enough potential vendors, I can then use site 1DayProductLaunch to bring vendors and affiliates together.

      Affiliates are attracted to the site because they get paid based upon weekly profits of the products they sell divided by the clicks they get for those products (rather than the sales they get) - turning it into a sort of CPA offer.

      Vendors are attracted to the site because they get a pitch page and member area built for them.

      Maybe the money is in bringing the two together and taking a cut.

      As you can see, its very early days for the idea. I'd welcome anyway you think you can contribute to the site - maybe we can both make some money in this niche?

      Whatever you do, good luck and thanks once again for your comments.

      Great Stuff!
      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author NateRivers
    Yeah the basic idea would be to choose a format and work it until you've made money. When I created my first information product, the only money I spent was hosting, domain name, and the $50 for clickbank to add my product. It wasn't a huge hit or anything, it's only made around $10k total... but, it taught me the process of making money online.

    I had to spend a lot of time figuring out traffic and conversion, two things that most beginners never get to because they're too busy buying new products and trying new strategies for a few weeks at a time.
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  • Profile picture of the author wendymay1
    You have spent too much money on too many strategys.

    If you want words of advice.

    1. Sit down and write down your goals. Even if you want that $60,000 back.

    2. Place all your goals in a present tense, which means that you already have it.

    For example: I am thrilled to open the mailbox and find a cheque for $60,000 has arrived.

    3. Use the power words contained in affirmations. Believe me they work.

    4. Always accentuate the positive.

    5. Stick with one program until you are receiving cheques in the mail every month on a consistent basis. Belonging to a membership site which offers recurring commissions is a goer. The cheques must be coming in every month.

    6. Once a strategy is mastered then try another.

    7. The key is to be able to have regular customers who will stay with you as long as you have the goods, quality content to offer. You need to be an authority in your niche.

    You made $20,000 thats a positive.
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    • Profile picture of the author pkmembers
      Originally Posted by NateRivers View Post

      I had to spend a lot of time figuring out traffic and conversion, two things that most beginners never get to because they're too busy buying new products and trying new strategies for a few weeks at a time.
      NateRivers - Well said. I've got lost in the detail and forgotten the basic principle - traffic + conversions = Money

      Originally Posted by wendymay1 View Post

      You have spent too much money on too many strategys.

      If you want words of advice.

      1. Sit down and write down your goals. Even if you want that $60,000 back.

      2. Place all your goals in a present tense, which means that you already have it.

      For example: I am thrilled to open the mailbox and find a cheque for $60,000 has arrived.

      3. Use the power words contained in affirmations. Believe me they work.

      4. Always accentuate the positive.

      5. Stick with one program until you are receiving cheques in the mail every month on a consistent basis. Belonging to a membership site which offers recurring commissions is a goer. The cheques must be coming in every month.

      6. Once a strategy is mastered then try another.

      7. The key is to be able to have regular customers who will stay with you as long as you have the goods, quality content to offer. You need to be an authority in your niche.

      You made $20,000 thats a positive.
      wendymay1- Thanks for going to the effort to document your success for me; its a real inspiration to know people out there are so helpful.

      I'm really excited about the potential for webinars having come from a four day conference.

      I'm good a sales and networking so I spoke with several millionaires who have made it. The best idea to come from that was to do a JV with an Amazon book seller. The traffic comes from his/her customer list. The conversions come from a good (and automated) webinar I arrange and host.

      I'll update this thread if it works out. GREAT STUFF! Paul

      Originally Posted by ncmedia View Post

      Hey OP.

      My hat goes off to you.

      Really.


      While everyone here is ranting and raving about lost focus and being a shmorgus board of fail at every turn. I'm going to give you some shine and soul food.

      You are actually one of the few that's probably going to make it sooner or later.
      Norb - Great words of wisdom. I'm going to stick your quote on my hero board and refer to it when I need inspiration.

      I read a great book called REWORK by the guys at Signal37 (owners of Basecamp). They said failure isn't a right of passage and that you can learn more from your successes than failures. True! However, I guess it's easy when you've riden the wave of success. GREAT STUFF! Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author quality4you
    Originally Posted by pkmembers View Post

    Hi Warrior Forum Guru's

    I want your help. I've spent over sixty thousand dollars over several years trying to make money on the internet - and I keep failing!

    In Linchpin, by Seth Godin, he talks about the new economy and being rewarded for giving. Well, let me give you some of the internet strategies I've tried and failed to make good money. Hopefully, you'll learn something from my mistakes.

    I would love to know if you've tried these strategies and whether you were let down by the promise of mega profits. Perhaps you have other strategies that failed that you'd like to own up to.

    - Cloning websites with an affiliate link back to a download product. I've had limited success, but mostly with dodgy download gaming sites.

    - Black hat techniques used by Howie Schwartz with an Amazon affiliate link. Loads of effort and zero income.

    - Create a website on options and futures and link to options university for a big ticket payout. I made $200

    - Building twitter accounts with thousands of followers and sell the accounts on ebay. I used software sold by tweetadder and paid an outsource team to create loads of accounts. I made $75

    - Paid $3,000 for a Matt Bacak course which gifted me with a weight loss website. Built and autoresponder, pulled in a list of 100 and made $65 which was later refunded.

    - Scrapped names from forums and emailed affiliate offers on related products. No luck.

    - Created almost 50 full e-commerce websites all driven from one multi-site engine. Used Google PPC to target specific products which drove the traffic to a niche e-commerce site. Someone had made $35 million doing something similar. I made $20,000 selling multi-fuel stoves using this niche strategy, but lost it all paying the supplier and development costs. I was then sued by the manufacturer so sold a few of the websites and stopped.

    - I wrote an ebook on making money using twitter, but haven't sold any copies.

    - I bought Google Shadow and used Google PPC strategies, but had no winners.

    - I set up a web consulting business and made several hundred dollars offline. However, no one understood how difficult it was to get their websites to page one so I have put no further effort into this strategy.

    - I was hooked with a product called NicheATM, which promised google page one websites with a few clicks. I made no money after a lot of effort.

    - I used facebook to advertise a clickbank product. The advertising costs went ballistic and conversions were disappointing. 0/100 hops

    - I run affiliate offers using Zango, Ad Brite and Ad Sonar - all failed which was an expensive lesson learned.

    - I bought the ultimate exit pop-up which works well to build a list of names, but has yet to translate into money.

    - I've tried building and selling websites to 'bricks and mortar' companies and made a few thousand dollars, but nothing to compensate the time and effort.

    I would love to hear from anyone having (or had) a similar experience. In fact, I want to talk to you. mail me and share your story or skype me on paul.kemp2 or send a message via twitter paul_s_kemp




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    Paul, if you have failed after all this, do not blame
    yourself!

    All I use to promote is myself and I have good success.
    I'm able to have that success by helping others such
    as yourself and, there is no amount of money that can
    replace the feeling you get when you see your mentored
    members succeed as they themselves become leaders!

    You sound like a good hearted person that's definitely
    been taken advantage of. Forget the past and just do as
    you are doing now. Show people what doesn't work so
    they won't make the same mistakes.

    By doing this, I can assure you will gain lots of followers!

    I learned this by not even thinking of the money I could
    make. That just came automatically after people began
    trusting in me!

    Maurice
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  • Profile picture of the author royljestr
    Yeah I feel your pain. I have been there and done that too!! A lot of folks here have hit the nail on the head...about focus.

    I now realize that the biggest mistake someone can make is to try to make money online. Instead they need to start a business on the internet. This is a big difference.

    When I went from trying to chase every new technique out there (and I've tried it all) to simply offering a good service here on WF and elsewhere, my earnings increased.

    I still get tempted by the shiny and new, but I now realize that I have a business that offers a service so i only am interested in products that will support or enhance THAT business...and I could care less about the latest "make money" scheme.
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