Can I Post an Article in two different directories?

by stabe
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Just wondering if I am allowed to post an article that I wrote in two different article directories?
#article #article directory #articles #directories #ezine #hubpages #post
  • Profile picture of the author Nickolie0990
    yeah, you can post the same article to hundreds of article directories.
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    • You might try spinning the article so as not to get penalized by the search engines. They look at the same article sent to multiple sources as duplicate content and spammy.
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      • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
        Originally Posted by Affiliate Superstar View Post

        You might try spinning the article so as not to get penalized by the search engines. They look at the same article sent to multiple sources as duplicate content and spammy.
        Please stop repeating those untruths. The search engines do not think of the same article sent to multiple sources as duplicate content and spammy and they do not penalise them. They are syndicated articles and totally fine in Googles eyes.

        If you look at things logically spinned articles are more likely to be thought of as spammy and especially when the same articles spinned many times are placed on the same site. As many of them are poor and even unreadable I would think them far more likely to be penalised than syndicated articles and maybe that will happen in the future if this way of trying to cheat the search engines continues to grow.
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      • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
        Originally Posted by Affiliate Superstar View Post

        You might try spinning the article so as not to get penalized by the search engines. They look at the same article sent to multiple sources as duplicate content and spammy.
        First of all,

        No offense Mr. Superstar, but I sincerely hope that advice like this isn't part of the advice you are offering (in your sig) to help people make money online.

        Secondly people, how about reading through a bloody thread before posting within it? Nothing makes a person look more ridiculous than making a blanket statement that's completely false, AFTER 600 different marketers have already proven the flawed theory as bogus.

        Alexa, I gotta say I admire your patience with all the bad advice continually thrown about r.e. dupe content. Patricia, you as well. Thanks for manning the torch, but you'll find that this is an argument from the ages that keeps popping up time and again thanks to oblivious masses believing in such myth. I gave up trying long ago, but seeing you guys pipe in I thought I should show some support

        This forum is in desperate need of a "shaking head in disbelief" smiley. Just sayin'.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by peter gibson View Post

          This forum is in desperate need of a "shaking head in disbelief" smiley. Just sayin'.
          This is undeniable. Thank you, Peter, as ever.

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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    You can post it to a hundred different directories if you want. Afterall, it is your article.

    But the process you should follow is to firstly post the article on your site, wait for it to get indexed, and then go ahead an post the same article to the directories.

    Preferably you should post to Ezine articles first, but that's up to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author CCG
      Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

      You can post it to a hundred different directories if you want. Afterall, it is your article.

      But the process you should follow is to firstly post the article on your site, wait for it to get indexed, and then go ahead an post the same article to the directories.

      Preferably you should post to Ezine articles first, but that's up to you.
      Is there a way to know when your article has been indexed, or do you just wait a week or so?
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  • Profile picture of the author marjames
    yes you can, but having unique articles submitted is strongly recommended.
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    • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
      Originally Posted by marjames View Post

      yes you can, but having unique articles submitted is strongly recommended.
      I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with this statement. It makes absolutely no difference whether you submit the same article or a spun version.
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  • Profile picture of the author cheaterscode
    I think backlinks from unique article is much valuable and backlinks from duplicate content can result for penalty.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by cheaterscode View Post

      I think backlinks from unique article is much valuable and backlinks from duplicate content can result for penalty.
      I'd like to think that nobody here is quite gullible enough to believe a word of this nonsense, and especially not to act on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author steveshoemaker
      Originally Posted by cheaterscode View Post

      I think backlinks from unique article is much valuable and backlinks from duplicate content can result for penalty.

      Yes you can submit your article to different sites and I agree I would submit to Ezine first maybe wait for approval and then post to other sites.

      Duplicate content...I quoted this not to be totally contradictory but to show there is a vast array of opinions on this.

      I don't think you will get a penalty and I never have. Just when you socially bookmark content you don't get penalized for submitting the same content to different sites. Google actually loves it.

      Duplicate content is the same content on the same site.

      @cheaterscode please don't think I am picking on you just wanted to show the diverse opinions on the matter ok?
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  • Profile picture of the author kenny5
    Yep post to your heart's content. The more articles you have out there the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author pianochris
    Providing the directory accepts it, yeah why not. Seems silly not to,.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam James
      I always post to ezine articles first as this is the big daddy, but there is no limit to how many you can post to.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        [QUOTEI think backlinks from unique article is much valuable and backlinks from duplicate content can result for penalty. QUOTE]

        You need to learn how it really works because your thinking is wrong. There is no duplicate content problem with ARTICLES - that's a fact. Google even tells you that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kecia
    You will want to post to EzineArticles.com first (after you post it to your own site, if you have one) as they will not take articles that you have posted to other directories. After it is approved there, you can submit it to as many directories that do not have an original content rule as you can find.
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    • Profile picture of the author halmo
      Originally Posted by Kecia08 View Post

      You will want to post to EzineArticles.com first (after you post it to your own site, if you have one) as they will not take articles that you have posted to other directories. After it is approved there, you can submit it to as many directories that do not have an original content rule as you can find.
      So, isn't that going around EZA's rules? What I am asking is: isn't there a risk of "being caught" by EZA and being banned for submitting the same article to other directories after EZA accepts it? What would be the point of EZA not accepting articles posted in other directories, if they would allow submitting the same articles to other directories after they accept it?

      I am just trying to see the long-term point here. Would love to hear experts' take on this..
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      Originally Posted by Kecia08 View Post

      You will want to post to EzineArticles.com first (after you post it to your own site, if you have one) as they will not take articles that you have posted to other directories. After it is approved there, you can submit it to as many directories that do not have an original content rule as you can find.
      That's not true, they will take articles that have been posted to other directories. I place them on my site first, then I submit them to my own directories then ezine articles, then hundreds of other directories.

      The problem is that when they have been submitted to other directories if somebody republishes them and leaves your name out, even if the author bio is the same and EZA can see that it is your article they will decline it until you have got the site or blog owner to add your name.

      You do not need unique articles for each directory and you do not need to spin articles. You can stick to submitting them to 'high quality' directories if you want but I am finding it more rewarding to submit the same article to over 1000 directories
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    • Profile picture of the author kenboss
      Originally Posted by Kecia08 View Post

      You will want to post to EzineArticles.com first (after you post it to your own site, if you have one) as they will not take articles that you have posted to other directories. After it is approved there, you can submit it to as many directories that do not have an original content rule as you can find.
      Where do you get the impression that Ezinearticles won't accept your original articles that have been already posted by you to other directories? There isn't anything here that even remotely suggests that.
      Editorial Guidelines For Submitting Quality Articles To EzineArticles.com
      As long as it's yours, and you haven't already submitted the exact same article to Ezinearticles itself on a previous occasion, there is no rule whatsoever stopping you from posting it unaltered to EA and a thousand others.
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    • Profile picture of the author kinwall
      Originally Posted by Kecia08 View Post

      You will want to post to EzineArticles.com first (after you post it to your own site, if you have one) as they will not take articles that you have posted to other directories. After it is approved there, you can submit it to as many directories that do not have an original content rule as you can find.
      i have tested submitting my articles to buzzle first and ezinearticle still accepted it. ezine articles allow you to submit it to a place online before them so its your choice if you want it on your site first or one articles directory. i submitted to buzzle first because they will not accept an article submitted elsewhere even on your site or ezine article
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  • Profile picture of the author jas1414
    any one can post same content article in different directories just make sure follow the length limits for per article guide lines
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  • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
    Read through this thread. The answer will become obvious rather quickly. Short form is that yes you can put 1 article on as many directories as you see fit. It's called syndication. Unless you are contractually bound by one directory, and as such they have exclusive rights to the work, your article is not any one directories property to dictate how and where you distribute it.

    Someone above said that providing unique articles is "strongly recommended"? Sorry but that is just completely bad advice. I strongly recommend that anyone suggesting such a thing is in need of a better education in this business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
      Originally Posted by peter gibson View Post

      ..... It's called syndication. Unless you are contractually bound by one directory, and as such they have exclusive rights to the work, your article is not any one directories property to dictate how and where you distribute it.

      Someone above said that providing unique articles is "strongly recommended"? Sorry but that is just completely bad advice. I strongly recommend that anyone suggesting such a thing is in need of a better education in this business.
      Very true. I believe the AP does exactly that. TV stations syndicate "world news" stories from the main network. Otherwise, How would someone in Rural Idaho know about a major story in NY?

      When a news story hits there could be hundreds of duplicate articles on Google from papers in every city. I'm sure they don't spin their articles. Syndication is not bad actually, otherwise small town papers would have to have reporters in every corner of the globe. TV shows too work this way.

      My ezine articles are constantly picked up by other blogs - that is great - it just widens the audience for my content. Is the whole world supposed to read only ezines? I don't believe those blog owners are getting penalized, especially if they intersperse unique content.

      Here is another way to think of it...the article directory has your article along with thousands of others - so there is a mix of duplicate and unique content. That is perfectly fine. Just like the local paper writing local stories and having AP duplicate stories. What good would content be if it was only in one place?
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      • Profile picture of the author wwood
        In most cases you can, but some article directories don't admitt duplicate content.

        Moreover, if you want that your content ranks well, it would be better to have original content. Instead, if your interest are backlinks, post the original version to all the directories that allow you to do so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Ho
    Yeah it's ok.. but if you're really that concerned about it you could try spinning the article. Helps psychologically.. not technically.. haha
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  • Profile picture of the author seoindia123
    You need unique content to submit, if u have then u can post same article in different article directory.
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  • Profile picture of the author stabe
    Originally Posted by Murali View Post

    Yep, but before posting it anywhere else; post it on your site first.
    So if i only have a squeeze page I don't need to post it there, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author aandersen
      Originally Posted by stabe View Post

      So if i only have a squeeze page I don't need to post it there, right?
      You should still post it. Sites that have content do better than sites that don't.

      Easiest way is to install a blog on your domain, something like mysqueezepage.com/blog

      Every time you write an article, take 2 minutes out of your time and post it on your blog. Make sure that every blog post links back to your squeeze page.

      Over time, as your blog builds authority and your domain gains backlinks, some of your blog posts will start to rank for various long-tail keywords. Many of these will be random phrases that you never thought of, or made any effort to rank for, that search engines determined on their own.

      Each of these will bring you a little trickle of traffic, but when you have many and they are all combined together, it can be very significant. The longer you keep at it, the more this will happen, and the more traffic you will get.

      The best part is that this kind of traffic is typically stable because it is natural, non manipulative, and people (for the most part) aren't competing for it. It's not uncommon to find these kinds of SE rankings to last for years undisturbed.

      So yes, if you going to be writing articles for article marketing, you should still everything to your site -- even if you only have a squeeze page.
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  • Profile picture of the author robbertpenny
    Yes you can SE for now are not more particular on duplicate content.
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  • Profile picture of the author rohnsmith
    I use the same articles in different directories and I am also getting good result for all my sites. my backlinks increase and position in Serp has also been increased..
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  • Profile picture of the author Kayden Kross
    yes, but submit it to high quality directories, but you'd better spin it then send it to many not high quality directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author joadcrank
    First of all, put your article on your site, wait to get indexed.
    After it has been indexed you can post the same article to any directories you want... but I recommend that the first directory to be Ezine.
    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author gittar1122
    Yes you can submit your article to several directories as it is known as syndication.
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  • Profile picture of the author bertuseng
    You can post an article to as many directories you want as long as it is your own one. While you will probably get most of your traffic from the big and popular ones, you will still get a lot of quality backlinks from the others. Most people would spin their articles before they submit them so that Google sees them as unique.
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  • Profile picture of the author culpetm
    You can post to as many directories as you like - the more the better - but there are a handful of directories that do not allow duplicate articles. One example is Triond. In fact, they run your articles through a copy test before they are approved.

    Also, be sure the directory gives "dofollow" links. Some directories only give "nofollow."
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      Originally Posted by bertuseng View Post

      You can post an article to as many directories you want as long as it is your own one. While you will probably get most of your traffic from the big and popular ones, you will still get a lot of quality backlinks from the others. Most people would spin their articles before they submit them so that Google sees them as unique.
      There is no need to spin articles

      Originally Posted by culpetm View Post

      You can post to as many directories as you like - the more the better - but there are a handful of directories that do not allow duplicate articles. One example is Triond. In fact, they run your articles through a copy test before they are approved.
      They are not duplicate articles they are syndicated. Only a small percentage of directories insist upon unique to them content, but unique content is better off on your site than somebody elses unless you stand to do well from it.

      Originally Posted by culpetm View Post

      Also, be sure the directory gives "dofollow" links. Some directories only give "nofollow."
      It doesn't matter about dofollow and nofollow. Articles base is probably the second most popular directory and it's nofollow there.

      It isn't just about backlinks. A lot of people seem to forget one of the main purposes of article directories and that is for webmasters and ezine owners to find content for ther sites and ezines. when articles go viral does it matter if the directory they came from is dofollow or nofollow? Of course not.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by PatriciaJ View Post

        There is no need to spin articles.

        They are not duplicate articles they are syndicated. Only a small percentage of directories insist upon unique to them content, but unique content is better off on your site than somebody elses unless you stand to do well from it.

        It doesn't matter about dofollow and nofollow. Articles base is probably the second most popular directory and it's nofollow there.

        It isn't just about backlinks. A lot of people seem to forget one of the main purposes of article directories and that is for webmasters and ezine owners to find content for ther sites and ezines. when articles go viral does it matter if the directory they came from is dofollow or nofollow? Of course not.
        "Quoted for truth", as the saying goes. Thank you, Patricia. All you can do is keep on saying these things. The people who are open to changing their minds about it may be willing to test it for themselves, discover that what you're saying is entirely valid and of great benefit to their businesses and well worth knowing ... and meanwhile the other people will simply continue believing all those urban myths of internet marketing that are holding them back.
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        • Profile picture of the author aandersen
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          All you can do is keep on saying these things ... meanwhile the other people will simply continue believing all those urban myths
          Yeah, I applaud you. You have the most persistence and patience I have ever seen. You have no problem dropping in on all 20 of these threads, every single day, and you keep on telling them, but they will not listen.:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author jjnmconte4
    Post it to 1000 directories, but make sure you spin it extremely well first.
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  • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
    Yes but original articles look prettier to google, in terms of SEO and pagerank. I think you should try spinning articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author webspider20
    What I think will happen at some point is that Google will hate the way people post the exact same article to hundreds of different sites that at some point they will totally disregard all duplicate content and that is why spinning content makes sense as long as the articles still make sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

      original articles look prettier to google, in terms of SEO and pagerank.
      How does an original article look prettier to Google "in terms of pagerank", Tom? What does that even mean?! Are you seriously suggesting that the page-rank of a page on which an article appears, and how it looks to Google, depends on whether or not that article's "original"?! I don't mean it rudely, but your opinion is misinforming people, here. Do you actually know anything at all about this subject and are you well placed to be giving others advice? You have, by your own admission, just started in IM while still at high school and are debating its finer points (or trying to) with people with years of experience, some of them on six-figure incomes by knowing what they're talking about. Do you really want to debate these things in public like this and start advising people? :confused: :rolleyes:

      Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but not all opinions carry equal weight, you know?

      Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

      I think you should try spinning articles.
      :rolleyes:

      Originally Posted by webspider20 View Post

      Google will hate the way people post the exact same article to hundreds of different sites that at some point they will totally disregard all duplicate content.
      With apologies, as ever, for the contrarian tone, you don't know what "duplicate content" is. You have it confused with "syndicated content".

      :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by CCG View Post

        Is there a way to know when your article has been indexed, or do you just wait a week or so?
        You can find it by typing a 10-word excerpt from it (preferably one running across at least one sentence-break), in inverted commas, into Google's search box. The results, especially if you look in the supplemental index as well as in the main index, will show it up if it's been indexed. By Google. Yahoo, Bing and so on are, of course, separate matters.

        If the site's regularly updated with fresh content, it will almost always be indexed by Google within 24 hours or so. Sometimes much more quickly (like this forum!). With all my own sites, I no longer even bother checking: I assume that any content published there will be indexed within 48 hours, so I just wait 2 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheGrooby
    What if you don't care about the contents of the article, just getting that backlink from the directory? Then should you worry about posting that article on your own Web page first?
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  • Profile picture of the author Herbert S Richter
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    Posting article in many directories Helps increase your views with little work.

    Best advice is you change the title and maybe a few first lines.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The reason some of us keep answering this same question day after day is because some people believe it's a topic where an opinion of "I think..." provides a true answer.

      Some of us have been submitting the same articles to our sites and then to directories for years with no problems. It's not a law you have to submit to your site first, either. It's a good practice most of the time but up to you.

      Best advice is you change the title and maybe a few first lines.
      No - that is NOT the best advice. It is not accurate and answers like that are what creates the confusion in the first place.

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      • Profile picture of the author Scott LaTour
        Along these lines, I have just put together a new article directory but don't know how to find new authors???

        Are there any article directories that will feed articles automatically or should I stay away from these???

        Is it OK to post articles from another directory and keep their link in place or is this a waste of time???

        Any ideas???

        Scott LaTour
        I am a newbie here so I can't provide a link but the site is articles4webmarketing.com
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    It would be best if you spun those two articles, rather than post the exact same to the two directories
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      Originally Posted by Scott LaTour View Post

      Along these lines, I have just put together a new article directory but don't know how to find new authors???

      Are there any article directories that will feed articles automatically or should I stay away from these???

      Is it OK to post articles from another directory and keep their link in place or is this a waste of time???

      Any ideas???

      Scott LaTour
      I am a newbie here so I can't provide a link but the site is articles4webmarketing.com
      You could sign up for article distribution companies like article crooner and get some articles sent to you. I would be wary of having too many sent to you automatically, when I started my main directory 47,000 articles were sent in one day and a lot were in the wrong categories or categories opened up that doubled up on the ones there 'computer' computers' for instance. Links stripped and many more problems, less is more I found out.

      Put the link in your signature, do some blog commenting, do some article marketing yourself on other directories etc. It can take some time to get authors but once they come you will know it! The best bit of advice I can give from experience is to keep to one niche or somehow make your directory exclusive to avoid being inundated with adverts, plagiarised, badly spinned and poor articles - all of that is very disheartening and why a lot of directory owners give up.

      Yes it's ok to post articles from other directories as long as you retain all of the links and include the author names.

      Originally Posted by dagaul101 View Post

      It would be best if you spun those two articles, rather than post the exact same to the two directories
      No it wouldn't. There is no good reason to spin articles and in a lot of cases spinned articles are not very good.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
        Originally Posted by PatriciaJ View Post


        No it wouldn't. There is no good reason to spin articles and in a lot of cases spinned articles are not very good.
        Does this mean that spinning articles is a bad idea and must not be done?

        I purchased a subscription to the best spinner for a year and now I am hearing all sorts of different things which confuses me.

        Can anyone please clear the air?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

          Can anyone please clear the air?
          No.

          They can only make it more opaque, because there's so little agreement about this subject.

          People's attitudes to it and beliefs about it rest on so many fundamental misapprehensions and illogical/inaccurate assumptions that it's simply not possible, in a forum, to achieve clarity on the subject.

          It's not even possible to discuss it in simple, straightforward terms, however much persistence and patience one has.

          It's been tried here countless times over the last 2 years, and never successfully. I'm not saying there's anything wrong or bad about that, and it isn't a criticism of anyone concerned, and certainly not of this forum. It's just how it is, and how it has to be.

          Ultimately, in my submission, if you're confused about it, you just have to decide whom you're going to believe and trust, and then accept what they say, knowing that whatever it is, there are going to be large numbers of people saying the opposite. Whomever you believe, no other outcome is possible.

          Choose wisely.

          But don't expect that any public discussion about it is ever going to achieve anything approaching "consensus", because that ain't happening: on this subject, there are too many staunch adherents to all those urban myths of internet marketing for that to be possible. There are even a few people who believe that you get a better quality backlink(!) from a spun article than you do from a syndicated one. You just can't "negotiate" with that, on any level. If people want to believe it, let them believe it, I say. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author kingprosperity
        I want to ask one thing. After posting on EZA can we put the same article on squidoo and hubpages under same pen name? Is it possible?

        In addition, if we put our article on buzzle first then still is it fine to put that buzzle article on EZA under same pen name?

        I have these two questions.
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        • Profile picture of the author aandersen
          Originally Posted by kingprosperity View Post

          I want to ask one thing. After posting on EZA can we put the same article on squidoo and hubpages under same pen name? Is it possible?
          yes you can.

          However, you must remember that Hubpages has certain rules about placing links on hubs's whose content is not exclusive to hubpages.

          Originally Posted by kingprosperity View Post

          In addition, if we put our article on buzzle first then still is it fine to put that buzzle article on EZA under same pen name?.
          If you do this and Buzzle finds out, they will remove your content. They are one of the few article directories that are an exception. When you post to Buzzle they ask for exclusivity, and or this reason, Buzzle is useless to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author DooYu291.
        You can submit to multiple directories without penalties. EZA doesn't accept articles that aren't unique though, unlike in example GA and articlelinksdirectory.com.

        It's recommended to first publish content on your own site and get it indexed prior to posting to directories.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by UdoMeerkerk View Post

          EZA doesn't accept articles that aren't unique
          This isn't right at all!

          Not only do they accept them, but they specifically invite them (in their email course on article marketing for beginners, send out to new authors, among other places). This thread might interest you.

          Like countless other article marketers, I have about 1,000 articles on EZA, none of which was unique when submitted there.

          They even make available a special Wordpress plugin for people who want to publish their own original content on their own blog first, and then submit it to EZA for later publication there.
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          • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            This isn't right at all!

            Not only do they accept them, but they specifically invite them (in their email course on article marketing for beginners, send out to new authors, among other places). This thread might interest you.

            Like countless other article marketers, I have about 1,000 articles on EZA, none of which was unique when submitted there.

            They even make available a special Wordpress plugin for people who want to publish their own original content on their own blog first, and then submit it to EZA for later publication there.
            Ha! Seems you beat me to it. Man but this gets frustrating. Boggles the mind.
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          • Profile picture of the author kingprosperity
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            This isn't right at all!

            Not only do they accept them, but they specifically invite them (in their email course on article marketing for beginners, send out to new authors, among other places). This thread might interest you.

            Like countless other article marketers, I have about 1,000 articles on EZA, none of which was unique when submitted there.

            They even make available a special Wordpress plugin for people who want to publish their own original content on their own blog first, and then submit it to EZA for later publication there.
            I actually want to ask few things those are perhaps personal but I will be thankful if you answer them.

            Like you said many times that you reach in thousands per month. Also, now you said that you have about 1000 articles on EZA. Could you please tell me that what is the ratio of those 1000 articles. l mean leave your list. I am not talking about your subscribers. How much only those about 1000 article on EZA bring in your hands per month?
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by kingprosperity View Post

              How much only those about 1000 article on EZA bring in your hands per month?
              It's really difficult to measure, KP. I'll try to explain why.

              It depends whether you mean "directly" or "indirectly".

              The value, to me, of all those EZA articles is that EZA is the syndication-source for webmasters and ezine/newsletter compilers to go to (this is what an article directory is: a depository of available content for people to re-publish - and this is why it was originally called "Ezine Articles", because it provided articles "for ezines" - though now they're more "for websites" than "for ezines", admittedly).

              The important thing about article marketing is to get your work as well and widely syndicated as possible, so that you increasingly build up high-quality, context-relevant backlinks and targeted traffic leading to opt-ins (list-building) and sales for your business. This means thinking well beyond article directories. "Paradoxically" (though not really!) EZA is how you get well beyond article directories, because it's where webmasters and others go for available content.

              I submit to 6 or 7 directories (changing a punctuation-mark in each version, just so I can later identify its original source). But the reality is that it's almost always EZA from which the articles are syndicated. When an article gets re-published on someone else's site, I detect that and contact them, offering them more/further/better content if I like their site and want their traffic. On the same terms as EZA's, of course: they must include my resource-box. But they've already done that once (otherwise they get a different email followed, if necessary, by a DMCA notice instead!).

              Of course, I'm also getting some traffic and some sales directly from EZA, too, like anyone else - and I'm doing some keyword research and using catchy titles and compelling resource-boxes and all the rest of it, in an attempt to ensure that outcome.

              I'm not trying to sell in my articles, because nobody's going to syndicate that.

              And I'm definitely not "writing for clicks", which is a sure way to limit your income.

              And I do much better now (with an average CTR around 17%/18%) than I did a year and a half ago (when my average CTR was 37%/38%) because I was "writing for clicks" then, which was a huge mistake.

              What I'm doing now is a different model of "article marketing" from the one being taught in all the courses, books, programs, and so on. They're teaching a "rinse and repeat" model which aims for fast traffic, the highest CTR, and "writing for clicks", and is best summarised, I think, by those deadly off-putting words "rinse and repeat". I'm aiming at building a business which leads to gradually increasing residual income from work already done, so that I don't have to "rinse and repeat", but can let the income gently increase while I move on to something else - the idea is that my "something else" is additional to, not a replacement for, an existing source of income.

              So this is why your question's hard to answer. Directly, I'm not making any more from EZA articles than anyone else is (and in fact I might be making less, because my CTR is lower than that of many people - though I hope my product selection-skills compensate for that!), but indirectly, it's "having published my work on EZA" (after getting it all indexed on one of my own sites first, of course) that's leading to a lot of subsequent income and business growth.
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              • Profile picture of the author kingprosperity
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                It's really difficult to measure, KP. I'll try to explain why.

                It depends whether you mean "directly" or "indirectly".

                The value, to me, of all those EZA articles is that EZA is the syndication-source for webmasters and ezine/newsletter compilers to go to (this is what an article directory is: a depository of available content for people to re-publish - and this is why it was originally called "Ezine Articles", because it provided articels "for ezines" - though now they're more "for websites" than "for ezines", admittedly).

                The important thing about article marketing is to get your work as well and widely syndicated as possible, so that you increasingly build up high-quality, context-relevant backlinks and targeted traffic leading to opt-ins (list-building) and sales for your business. This means thinking well beyond article directories. "Paradoxically" (though not really!) EZA is how you get well beyond article directories, because it's where webmasters and others go for available content.

                I submit to 6 or 7 directories (changing a punctuation-mark in each version, just so I can later identify its original source). But the reality is that it's almost always EZA from which the articles are syndicated. When an article gets re-published on someone else's site, I detect that and contact them, offering them more/further/better content if I like their site and want their traffic. On the same terms as EZA's, of course: they must include my resource-box. But they've already done that once (otherwise they get a different email followed, if necessary, by a DMCA notice instead!).

                Of course, I'm also getting some traffic and some sales directly from EZA, too, like anyone else - and I'm doing some keyword research and using catchy titles and compelling resource-boxes and all the rest of it, in an attempt to ensure that outcome.

                I'm not trying to sell in my articles, because nobody's going to syndicate that.

                And I'm definitely not "writing for clicks", which is a sure way to limit your income.

                And I do much better now (with an average CTR around 17%/18%) than I did a year and a half ago (when my average CTR was 37%/38%) because I was "writing for clicks" then, which was a huge mistake.

                What I'm doing now is a different model of "article marketing" from the one being taught in all the courses, books, programs, and so on. They're teaching a "rinse and repeat" model which aims for fast traffic, the highest CTR, and "writing for clicks", and is best summarised, I think, by the deadly off-putting words "rinse and repeat". I'm aiming at building a business which leads to gradually increasing residual income from work already done, so that I don't have to "rinse and repeat", but can let the income gently increase while I move on to something else - the idea is that my "something else" is additional to, not a replacement for, an existing source of income.

                So this is why your question's hard to answer. Directly, I'm not making any more from EZA articles than anyone else is (and in fact I might be making less, because my CTR is lower than that of many people - though I hope my product selection-skills compensate for that!), but indirectly, it's "having published my work on EZA" (after getting it all indexed on one of my own sites first, of course) that's leading to a lot of subsequent income and business growth.
                Thank you so much Alexa... That's so helpful.
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        • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
          Originally Posted by UdoMeerkerk View Post

          EZA doesn't accept articles that aren't unique though


          This thread could easily be the best example of mind boggling frustration I've seen since the last time this subject was brought up.

          Udo, unless I am misunderstanding you're response completely, that quoted statement above is 100%, absolutely, completely and utterly wrong, and has been proven to be so here, more than a few times. As I've said already previously (in this very thread - go figure), read through the damned thing before posting within it. Find out what others have to say on the subject, learn why opinions like yours don't jive with FACTS, and why touting maligned info isn't at all helpful to the OP nor anyone else looking here for advice.

          Jeez people, forums are meant to be ongoing conversations that incite participation and even occasionally lead to epiphanies and education, not a place to simply ignore other posters while dropping down misinformation and bad advice.
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        • Profile picture of the author DooYu291.
          Originally Posted by UdoMeerkerk View Post

          You can submit to multiple directories without penalties. EZA doesn't accept articles that aren't unique though, unlike in example GA and articlelinksdirectory.com.

          It's recommended to first publish content on your own site and get it indexed prior to posting to directories.
          My mistake - EZA does accept articles that are used elsewhere! Apologies!
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      • Profile picture of the author iDevSpot
        I think you got your answer, which is yes.

        I just wanted to add that with some article websites like eHow and Suite101, you can only post your article once with them. They will ban you from the site if they find your article elsewhere.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
          Alexa, thanks for that (post 72 above). It's almost inspired me to try article marketing for something more than just backlinks and some short term traffic.

          Lee
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  • Profile picture of the author tantris
    Yes you can but some sites won't like it and may even kick you off. Check them first. When I do this I try and time it so they go through at the same time so each can't detect the other.
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    • Profile picture of the author inter123
      I am just curious to know if syndication is acceptable, why do article distribution sites such as Unique Article Wizard inisist on 'spinning' the article 3 times?

      And why do spinning software exist? Are they just trying to cash in on some people's belief that syndication is unacceptable in the eyes of Google?
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      • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
        Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

        Does this mean that spinning articles is a bad idea and must not be done?

        I purchased a subscription to the best spinner for a year and now I am hearing all sorts of different things which confuses me.

        Can anyone please clear the air?
        There are different ways of spinning and the majority of spinned articles that I've seen range from impossible to understand to not easy reading because you have to stop to try and figure out why a word is in a sentence and what really should be there. I won't have those articles on my directories would you want them on your sites?

        The one type of spinning that I've encountered that turns out good articles is to rewrite every paragraph and switch those around. Why spend the time doing that when you can write a fresh article?

        When you get statements on this and other forums about spinning being wonderful the posters don't explain the massive differences in quality and especially newcomers may see those posts and not realise those differences.

        Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

        I am just curious to know if syndication is acceptable, why do article distribution sites such as Unique Article Wizard inisist on 'spinning' the article 3 times?

        And why do spinning software exist? Are they just trying to cash in on some people's belief that syndication is unacceptable in the eyes of Google?
        Spinning software exists in part because of the duplicate content myth and in part because some people think that it is right to litter the internet with many poor copies of what might have been a good article to start with.
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  • Profile picture of the author jackieholmes
    Yes, you really can.. But it is better that you'll make some revision on it because there are some sites that are so strict and won't accept article with the same particular title and content.
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  • Profile picture of the author bradmarcus1
    Hello Stabe. Me and many other Internet Marketers opinion is this: Yes, you can post your article to many article sites. But your best bet is to change the title and the first paragraph each time. That makes it original...not "spammy".

    Ezine Articles is definitely the best.

    To Your Success,
    Brad Marcus
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    • Profile picture of the author kenboss
      Originally Posted by bradmarcus1 View Post

      Hello Stabe. Me and many other Internet Marketers opinion is this: Yes, you can post your article to many article sites. But your best bet is to change the title and the first paragraph each time. That makes it original...not "spammy".

      Ezine Articles is definitely the best.

      To Your Success,
      Brad Marcus
      Forgive me but I think this thread strongly indicates that "many other Internet Marketers" CAN be wrong. Call me a numbers bigot, but for my money, I'll be leaning more toward the person with 13,085 posts to their credit or even a mere 5,583 over someone with fewer than 20. :rolleyes:

      I can't even see any logic behind changing the title and opening lines - Does that not seriously mess about with the concept of having your exact targeted keywords in the title & opening paragraph?
      Plus, how on earth does syndicating your article even remotely make it look spammy? :confused:
      On the contrary, if I were a punter looking for info, & kept running across the same article by the same person, I would be inclined to start thinking this person must be a well respected authority.

      Whereas if my search turned up several versions of an article, all with the same author and content but with the title and first paragraph inexplicably altered, I would find that weird and disconcerting, and it would significantly reduce that author's credibility in my humble view.
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  • Profile picture of the author hovirag
    Alexa,

    why do you think other people's opinion is not valied?
    The most experienced internet marketers agree on the importance of originality of articles. You post articles to get backlinks, but if they are exactly the same google will only consider the first one and disregards the others - result: a lot of work for little result...
    In terms of duplicate content what most people agree on is that it is not an issue to have them if the search volume is under 100000 for your keyword.

    I think it really depends on what you want to use those articles for.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by hovirag View Post

      Alexa, why do you think other people's opinion is not valied?
      Originally Posted by hovirag View Post

      You post articles to get backlinks, but if they are exactly the same google will only consider the first one and disregards the others
      That's why I sometimes think others' perspectives aren't valid, Hovirag, because they sometimes come out with factually inaccurate statements like that. I don't intrinsically think that others' perspectives aren't valid, but like many others posting in this thread (as you can see, if you read it all), I'm aware that on this subject a lot of people who haven't tested things for themselves believe a consensus view which is actually a mistaken one, according to those of us who have actually tested it.

      More specifically, in response to your remarkable contention, I'm afraid I really can't add to what I said toward the end of post #52 above. I'm sure we can agree to differ, and that we'll both end up doing whatever we've concluded (on whatever basis each of us feels appropriate) is right for our own business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy Daugherty
    Yes! You can post same article to other article directories if they will allow it..Not all article directory site allow posting same article that was previously publish on another site...so make sure to read the guidelines of the article directory you are eyeing to publish same article..
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  • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
    Originally Posted by hovirag View Post

    You post articles to get backlinks, but if they are exactly the same google will only consider the first one and disregards the others - result: a lot of work for little result...
    Absolutely nonsense.

    Originally Posted by hovirag View Post

    The most experienced internet marketers agree on the importance of originality of articles
    Originality of articles and duplicate content are two very different issues.

    How about a test for yourself. Write 1 "original" article. Place it on your site, then SYNDICATE it to 30 directories changing nothing, and watch the 30 backlinks appear in whatever software you use to check for those incoming links.

    Then, depending on the competition in your chosen article's niche, watch as your site may even gain SERP and authority from those 30 backlinks. Furthermore, should the article be worthy, watch as it is picked up and republished by other webmasters "as is" with yet another link to your site - ever increasing authority and position to your main site. Even better, watch as you get the same residual directory traffic from 1 original article as you would having written 30 original articles for 30 directories.

    Furthering this test, do a few weeks worth of identical SEO work - picking any 3 of the syndicated articles themselves. Watch how much google does NOT ignore the effort, and said 3 articles rise in SERP accordingly.

    The point is simple enough. Your original content is only affected by the amount and quality of SEO work done to the web page it resides, as well as the obvious pre-existing authority of the site(s) where you have submitted your work. If it resides on 30 article directories and you only optimize 1 directory submission, that will be the directory submission that rises in search engine position. If you can do quality SEO work on 10 directory submissions (of the same article), then expect these 10 URL's to experience a similar rise in position. And so on...

    Google does NOT penalize nor do they ignore SYNDICATED original content, making that assertion is both frustrating and ridiculous. Which one of these sites do you think was ignored by google for having identical content?
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    • Profile picture of the author halmo
      Several reputable members here posted that it's a good idea to post your article on your site first, and after it has been indexed, submit it to EZA (or other directories). Is this true for new sites too? What if you have a new site with still a PR 0 ranking? Wouldn't it be a good idea, in this case, to submit it to article directories first that have PR 6 or even higher ranking?
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      • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
        Originally Posted by halmo View Post

        Several reputable members here posted that it's a good idea to post your article on your site first, and after it has been indexed, submit it to EZA (or other directories). Is this true for new sites too? What if you have a new site with still a PR 0 ranking? Wouldn't it be a good idea, in this case, to submit it to article directories first that have PR 6 or even higher ranking?
        Yes put your articles on your site first new or not.
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      • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
        Originally Posted by halmo View Post

        Several reputable members here posted that it's a good idea to post your article on your site first, and after it has been indexed, submit it to EZA (or other directories). Is this true for new sites too? What if you have a new site with still a PR 0 ranking? Wouldn't it be a good idea, in this case, to submit it to article directories first that have PR 6 or even higher ranking?
        Having your article on your site first is simply to lay claim of ownership. It's not at EZA (or anywhere else) first so there can never be a question as to whom is the original author. It resides on your site first, under your author name, then on the article directories just as a precaution for you as an author.

        Remember that article directories are there not just for backlinks, PR strength and traffic; webmasters scour through them daily to find articles for their own properties. If someone bites your article without adding your link or naming you as author, you will want proof of where it originated so there can be no doubt. That's one way of looking at it anyway.

        At that point you can choose to SEO either your brand new PR 0 site , or choose to optimize the article as it exists on an article directory such as EZA. Obviously an EZA article is giving you a boost from their site authority, giving you some juice.

        Personally speaking, I've never felt comfortable giving away my work or potential sales to another site. By doing too much SEO work on an article as it exists in EZA you are basically handing EZA money and more authority, all which could and should be yours. Competing for readers clicks within your own site gives you all the control, all the CTR, all the eye candy, ad placements and salesmanship you have to offer to the product(s) you are selling. It's entirely your call how you choose to see your article rise in google, but I'll never throw too much love at an article directory before my own properties.

        So it entirely depends on your goals and needs. If you need short term exposure and google position rather quickly - for whatever reason - SEO your EZA (or any other high PR directory) and borrow their authority for a head start. If you have a problem giving potential customer traffic to EZA's adsense-laiden version of you - SEO your own site more.
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        • Profile picture of the author halmo
          Originally Posted by peter gibson View Post

          Having your article on your site first is simply to lay claim of ownership. It's not at EZA (or anywhere else) first so there can never be a question as to whom is the original author. It resides on your site first, under your author name, then on the article directories just as a precaution for you as an author.

          Remember that article directories are there not just for backlinks, PR strength and traffic; webmasters scour through them daily to find articles for their own properties. If someone bites your article without adding your link or naming you as author, you will want proof of where it originated so there can be no doubt. That's one way of looking at it anyway.

          At that point you can choose to SEO either your brand new PR 0 site , or choose to optimize the article as it exists on an article directory such as EZA. Obviously an EZA article is giving you a boost from their site authority, giving you some juice.

          Personally speaking, I've never felt comfortable giving away my work or potential sales to another site. By doing too much SEO work on an article as it exists in EZA you are basically handing EZA money and more authority, all which could and should be yours. Competing for readers clicks within your own site gives you all the control, all the CTR, all the eye candy, ad placements and salesmanship you have to offer to the product(s) you are selling. It's entirely your call how you choose to see your article rise in google, but I'll never throw too much love at an article directory before my own properties.

          So it entirely depends on your goals and needs. If you need short term exposure and google position rather quickly - for whatever reason - SEO your EZA (or any other high PR directory) and borrow their authority for a head start. If you have a problem giving potential customer traffic to EZA's adsense-laiden version of you - SEO your own site more.
          Thank you, Peter, for the very thorough response, and for the "grand view" of the issue. I haven't considered this perspective before, but it makes perfect sense. Glad you elaborated on it.



          Thanks to PatriciaJ too.
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  • Profile picture of the author jushuaburnham
    For now you can do so. SE is not more particular with duplicate content.
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  • Profile picture of the author LangeTroels
    Does anyone have a "preferred" list of article directories they submit to?

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author mariarichards111
    If you are going to post an article in the directories first choice should be buzzle after that any other. Cause is ,buzzle the only site take fresh content
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      Originally Posted by mariarichards111 View Post

      If you are going to post an article in the directories first choice should be buzzle after that any other. Cause is ,buzzle the only site take fresh content
      No your fresh content should go on your own site first. That is unless you are being paid a decent amount for fresh content or you are guest blogging on a high traffic authority site. Otherwise your content should benefit your site not somebody elses.
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    • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
      Originally Posted by mariarichards111 View Post

      If you are going to post an article in the directories first choice should be buzzle after that any other. Cause is ,buzzle the only site take fresh content
      Hey Patricia, here we go again hey? Jeez.

      If you ask me the person quoted is yet another attempt at swooping in a thread without reading and absorbing anything aside from the initial question, espousing another bad piece of advice irresponsibly. It happens so much on this forum, and it's truly frustrating.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
    Sorry I am late to this party - but for those waiting for it here we go:

    Threads asking how to do Article Marketing come up quite often here - so I have a standard reply - I hope this helps:

    Two brilliant threads to read about article marketing are these:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

    Read them both - all the way through - and take notes.

    For further information I recommend the following directory - It is education in article marketing - a guide book and monthly newsletters - with a directory thrown in! You can read what Warriors think about it here:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...alks-walk.html

    Promote My Articles Article Marketing Service

    also available as a WSO here:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...g-service.html

    This is a really great WSO for people trying to write good preselling articles:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...iors-only.html

    I can also recommend the WSO's from this guy:

    View Profile: Zeus66

    In particular this one - All people interested in article marketing should study this!

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-you-need.html

    This guy also has some good stuff - some article marketing some on other things

    View Profile: Steven Wagenheim

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      Originally Posted by peter gibson View Post

      Hey Patricia, here we go again hey? Jeez.

      If you ask me the person quoted is yet another attempt at swooping in a thread without reading and absorbing anything aside from the initial question, espousing another bad piece of advice irresponsibly. It happens so much on this forum, and it's truly frustrating.
      Probably but it's that person's first post here so perhaps she's trying to be helpful posting bad advice read elsewhere.

      Originally Posted by Nicola Lane View Post

      Sorry I am late to this party - but for those waiting for it here we go:

      Threads asking how to do Article Marketing come up quite often here - so I have a standard reply - I hope this helps:
      I doubt it, most of the bad advice posters are new here and it doesn't look as if they read the thread before posting. Good links though
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