Who writes your WSO copy?

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If you have had WSO copy written for you that you are happy with, could you share your experience and tips?

I'm interested in pricing, names if you don't mind, and tips on things I may not be thinking about.


Thanks for the help.

Joe Mobley
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  • Profile picture of the author Nickolie0990
    I write my own copy, I use a very simple forumla:


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    Headline

    Here is what I got:

    Here is what it will do for you

    Any Proof Elements

    Social Proof Elements

    Here is what to do next (Call to Action)

    Risk Reversal/Strong Guarantee

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    Thats is the formula I use, and it works like gangbusters.

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Have you given any thought to writing your own? I often feel more at ease with copy that doesn't look like it was written by a professional sales letter writer. Surely, I can't be the only one.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      I write my own.

      Not the greatest in the world, however, it's earned thousands of dollars.

      The social proof, IMHO, is what you really have to work at building. Create an amazing product, give a few copies away as review copies, and 'hopefully' people will be excited about your product and leave honest reviews.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      Have you given any thought to writing your own? I often feel more at ease with copy that doesn't look like it was written by a professional sales letter writer. Surely, I can't be the only one.
      No, not the only one at all.

      I've never done a WSO and have no figures or anything, so what I'm about to say may be completely unreliable and mistaken, but I suspect that for a WSO people really don't expect professionally-written copy like they'd expect for a product for which they might become an affiliate, say.

      I mean - you're selling to internet marketers, with a WSO, whether they're actually members of the WF or not (and many people who aren't will still read them and buy WSO's, I'm sure).

      I admire quite a lot of the "copy" I see in the WSO forum. Some of the "home-written ones" more than the apparently professionally written ones, to be honest. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

      Digressing completely, here: without wanting to embarrass Jeremy (Kelsall) in any way, I invariably love his WSO copy. I know he doesn't do "copywriting" for people (at least, he doesn't as far as I know), and I don't think he's employing a professional copywriter to write his WSO copy, because I think I recognise his style - I think he just does it himself, does it incredibly well (whatever it is he's promoting!) and is a really good writer with a deep understanding of his market, perhaps without even thinking about that too much. So anyone who's stuck can learn a bit by reading the copy for all his WSO's!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      Have you given any thought to writing your own? I often feel more at ease with copy that doesn't look like it was written by a professional sales letter writer. Surely, I can't be the only one.
      No offense but your sales copy looks pretty professional anyway. Of course, if you take offense to that - there might be a problem
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      • Profile picture of the author sal64
        Writing your own is easier than you think...

        I just got a copy of a report from fellow warrior Jason Fladlien called Make Money With WSO's.

        Good value with lots of good suggestions.
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      • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
        Originally Posted by Kevin Williams View Post

        No offense but your sales copy looks pretty professional anyway. Of course, if you take offense to that - there might be a problem
        LOL no offense taken. I write all of my own copy. I have never hired a professional. I try and write copy that says what it needs to say and that's it. I don't like reading about a garbage man that made a million dollars in a weekend or a soccer mom that invented a teeth whitener. The only story that needs to be told is the one that will have a direct effect on the reader in the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Herbert S Richter
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    Never done a WSO but after all I read there, I think many people write their own, its not that hard!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    This is a good thread because it illuminates an often overlooked aspect of forum marketing vs. gen pub marketing. You can definitely get away with non-salesy copy in a WSO if you're pretty well known inside WF. Especially if you participate in the regular forum and people get to know you and your quality.

    Doesn't work the same way when dealing with mostly strangers visiting your regular sales page. It's the difference between "warm" and "cold" traffic. Well, assuming that most of your sales page traffic is from the search engines or other non-personal sources. If you get a lot of traffic from ad swaps and JV's, then sure, that's "warm" traffic because you were recommended by someone the visitor probably trusts. Same idea.

    I write my own WSO sales copy because it's good practice. But it really isn't the same as the copy I write for the general public on my regular sales pages. I spend probably 10X as much time crafting regular sales pages compared to most WSO copy. You have to push a lot more emotional and desire buttons in total strangers to get the sale.

    Yet another reason why a WSO is hands-down the best advertising bargain on the Web. Even when it jumped from $20 to $40, it's ridiculously low priced. [Please ignore me, Allen].

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      You can definitely get away with non-salesy copy in a WSO if you're pretty well known inside WF.
      This is the difference between a social transaction and an economic transaction. More simply, whether you are trying to make a buck, or trying to make a difference.

      Most people don't have a problem with either of these things, to a certain extent, but they like to have a good solid feel for what the transaction is... and while social "sells" better, there's a level of intimacy problem when your audience are strangers.

      I can "sell" you a lot more readily if I treat you like a trusted friend, but if you know you're not a trusted friend, it feels cheesy and fake.

      Similarly, if you're my friend and I try to "sell" you like a used car dealer would... it's offensive, because I'm treating you like a stranger.

      Sometimes things get muddled. My girlfriend wanted to find a good business name and domain name. When I started asking her the same questions I'd ask any other business client, she got upset because she was my girlfriend, not a client.

      It took a lot of poking around and arguing the point before we came to the understanding that she wanted to have the social interaction of "let's toss names around," and I saw it as the economic interaction of "let's solve a business problem." So we started throwing names around, and she got frustrated that none of my names were "any good."

      After a little more arguing, we finally came to the understanding that she actually wanted the results of an economic transaction, but she wanted them to come out of a social transaction.

      This can be done, it just requires a different approach. In the 1970s "I'm OK, You're OK" nomenclature, this is somewhere between the "Parent/Adult" and "Adult/Adult" interactions. You could think of it as an adult sibling conversation: one of you is by definition older, but this has a subdued effect on the conversation.

      I think about this stuff a lot.

      A couple weeks ago, I sent a couple of very informal and largely inappropriate messages to my list. Those who expected to only have economic transactions on that list (or more appropriate social ones) unsubscribed; I lost about 15% of my list members from that mailing.

      Some people would be upset about this. I'm not. I can't tailor my mail to every single member of my list. If you want to be on my list, you should like to read my mail, and if you don't want to get the occasional drunken rant on Friday night... well, mine is really the wrong list for you. And as far as I'm concerned, that makes my list more targeted and easier for me to talk to.

      That's an interesting point about relationship building. When you're building a relationship with twelve people, and two of them leave because they don't like the relationship, you're now building a stronger relationship with ten people. So while 15% of my list doesn't like my drunken emails on Friday night, I think of it more like 85% of my list actually understands me.

      Sales copy is the same way. Anyone and everyone can read my sales copy, but what my sales copy is really designed to do isn't "make people buy" - it's "help people know whether they should buy." Basically, if you don't want my product, I don't want your money... so if you're not convinced my product is what you want, I'd really rather not sell it to you.

      I think of things a little backwards. I'm not trying to get as many customers as possible. I'm just trying to find the ones that are out there. There are already all the customers I will ever need walking around, who will be perfectly happy with what I create and how I present it. I just need to get my offer in front of them.

      I think of it more like matchmaking than engineering. A social process, not a technical one.
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  • Profile picture of the author harro1
    I wrote my own, very bad one..lol.. but still made money
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  • Profile picture of the author Slade556
    I write all my own copy and initially I avoided it but then realized no one understands my products as well as myself so might as well. It's actually not as bad as you might fear. If you look at WSOs that look like they are selling well you can get a good idea of how to layout your salesletter. I don't mean copy em but you can certainly figure out what the effective aspects of their copy is and what's persuasive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Owen Smith
    I write my own or ask my business partner to write it.

    It needs to be simple and to the point!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gavin Abeyratne
    I write my own WSO copy and if the offer is something the market wants, get a great response.

    Give it a whirl yourself, you've only got $40 to lose, and its highly unlikely you won't make that back.
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  • Profile picture of the author gotti3636
    I write my own WSO copy too (It can't be too bad - over 1000 sales with my 2 WSO's).

    I think the most important part of a WSO copy is to show some valid proof. Since we are all internet marketers here we will overlook most of the repetitive junk in a copy anyway Keep it simple, to the point, and have lots of proof/testimonials.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tracey_Meagher
    I write my own copy. I think if you have a product you a familiar with, proud of and believe in, writing WSO copy comes naturally enough and gets easier each time
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