outsourcing to Philippines

by humbledmarket Banned
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Hello Warriors,
I need some help with outsourcing. I'm looking to outsource a major programming job ($3000 Budget) for a fairly large project. I know to get the most cost efficient service I've heard philippines is a good place to consider outsourcing.

Can anyone tip me on how I can outsource and find programmers well verse in Php, C+ or any other programming language for a facebook app?

Thanks, I've heard craiglist and going to try it out but prefer to find other options also.

Thanks
#outsourcing #philippines
  • Profile picture of the author ej2012
    have you checked this site out?

    OnlineJobs.ph: Filipinos getting online jobs with American companies.
    Find a real, online job! | Home

    I have had great success here in finding excellent writers, but not sure about programming.

    Hope this helps
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    • Profile picture of the author dawnbreaker
      Originally Posted by ej2012 View Post

      have you checked this site out?

      OnlineJobs.ph: Filipinos getting online jobs with American companies.
      Find a real, online job! | Home

      I have had great success here in finding excellent writers, but not sure about programming.

      Hope this helps
      You're directing him to the right place...

      Their are lot of filipino workers out their and have a quality work...
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      • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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        Originally Posted by ej2012 View Post

        I pay about $400 a month and I have his attention 8 hours a day if needed. He'll write any amount on anything pretty much, does all the research, I give him the keywords and he takes off. He rips about about 10-15 day. So about 300-450 per month.

        Here's an example article he did for me. Works for me!

        How to Choose Your Coffee Table

        "A coffee table is a very significant furniture at home especially if you love drinking coffee and love the idea of entertaining guests. They can be your centerpiece furniture to your sitting room or just your added convenient furniture in your backyard. They can also be made into a card game table with your buddies or working table around the house. It is just a simple little piece of furniture but its usefulness is so great and aside from that, it can also add aesthetic to your home décor.

        When choosing your first coffee table, your first criteria should be to consider the overall internal features of your dining room or the room in which you want to place it so that it will blend well with the personality of its surrounding. For instance, if your room has a classic décor or has Victorian era furniture, you can choose an ornate, curved leg dark wood coffee table to perfect the setting.

        If the room is generally themed chic and modern, there are also coffee tables that have lighter features such as those made with white wood, steel and glass pieces. If you are the kind of guy who loves Retro aura with Retro themed room, you can choose a slimmer table with designs of the 70s or 80s prints. So to summarize all of these, your home décor can always be your style guide in finding you perfect coffee table.

        Now, when it comes to pre-buying options, don't forget to measure every feature of the table. You should at least seat down on a sofa and measure the height of the table from the floor to the top of your knees. Its your option if you want it an inch higher or less but consider your guests' convenience as well. You must also choose durability and the materials the coffee table is made of and that depends on your habits and lifestyle. If you are a constant coffee drinker, a beer or wine drinker then you can opt for a glass surface coffee table for easy cleaning. Constant placing of wet glasses and cans on top of any coffee table usually leaves rings and scratches on top so a top glass coffee table can be easily cleaned and will not be scratched easily unlike wood top coffee tables."
        Wow, that's a really good article for the price you pay. Haha if you ever have any spare time with you freelancer just pm me and I'll pay per article please.
        Thanks
        Originally Posted by ej2012 View Post

        one more thing: No need to be afraid about quality, you are in charge, ask for samples before you commit. I usually talk with 5-7 writers and get samples, I just ask them to write like 200-250 words on something, then I read it through and if the english is good and easy to understand and the content makes sense, I put them in the "consider for hire" box and move onto the next.
        Thanks for the tip. Currently been searching DP and WF for my articles I'm thinking of trying Filipinos after the sample I saw.
        Originally Posted by joadcrank View Post

        I recommend you to use Freelancer, vWorker or oDesk. It's a good place from where you can CHOOSE someone to do you job. But, be careful & patient on who you choose. Look at their feedback, how they talk to you about the job and other things that you consider important to be important to him to.

        All the best. Good luck!
        Thanks, I currently use freelancer but most are from india and not Filipinos . I've always been told Filipinos is the best place to outsource because of their pricing and also they generally are more loyal supposedly.

        Originally Posted by jamespitt View Post

        If I were you, and you were looking to do a facebook app, I'd have a think about trying to do it 1st in Drupal, with the facebook plugin. This should reduce the time spent on it & should make it much easier to find other people to do the work if there are any issues.

        I've been working with Drupal for years now, and if you know what you are doing in it, you can produce really good projects in a tiny fraction of the work required using other systems. In fact - whilst I'm in the UK, by using Drupal I can compete on price with India for bigger projects, as a 2 month project becomes a 2-3 week project.

        Drop me a PM if you want any help with anything.

        James

        www.james-pitt.com | - my personal Drupal site.
        Thanks James, I'll send you a pm but I always thought Drupal was a CMS and not for fb app? I need quite a few extensions with my app if that is possible I'd be happy to hire your servie.

        Originally Posted by WealthWithin View Post

        I'd say avoid any site where you can't see the programmer's work history.

        Personally, I'd go for oDesk or GAF. oDesk is much safer. GAF is a bit cheaper.

        Don't restrict yourself just to Philippines. You can find good programmers from other countries as well.
        Sorry is GAF, freelancer now or is it a different site? Also I've heard that philippines is the best place to outsource because of their pricing and loyalty on the post part.

        Originally Posted by Ryan Even View Post

        I've always had great luck with workers from the Philippines. I've also hired a couple of great programmers from India, plus Canada and the US (which of course is more expensive).
        Thanks, trying to find my supplier list now. Got quite a few good article writers from india I believe. Their quality is pretty good and $3/500 words but trying to find some back up sources in philippines. For programming I prefer to go with philippines since it's going to be an extensive job.

        BTW care to share your programmer list? lol just trying
        Originally Posted by dawnbreaker View Post

        You're directing him to the right place...

        Their are lot of filipino workers out their and have a quality work...
        Thanks, looks like I'll be spending my next few days on that site. Seen a few great article writers.
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    • Profile picture of the author theentry
      Originally Posted by ej2012 View Post

      have you checked this site out?

      OnlineJobs.ph: Filipinos getting online jobs with American companies.
      Find a real, online job! | Home

      I have had great success here in finding excellent writers, but not sure about programming.

      Hope this helps
      That looks pretty neat, going to find some writer
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  • Profile picture of the author thomarv29
    Hey Ben,
    I wouldnt use CL or backpage, too easy to get scammed. I would set up a team on ODesk if you want to manage the project much easier or use backlinkteam.com which dosent only do backlinks but pretty much everything else as well. BackLink team is a US based company that manages off-shore teams. They will manage your project and get it done on budget. If you want to manage the workers yourself the best bet is ODesk, anything else i would use backlink team. Just my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
      Originally Posted by thomarv29 View Post

      Hey Ben,
      I wouldnt use CL or backpage, too easy to get scammed. I would set up a team on ODesk if you want to manage the project much easier or use backlinkteam.com which dosent only do backlinks but pretty much everything else as well. BackLink team is a US based company that manages off-shore teams. They will manage your project and get it done on budget. If you want to manage the workers yourself the best bet is ODesk, anything else i would use backlink team. Just my opinion.
      backlinkteam.com/ looks like there is nothing there - just another wordpress blog so to speak - is that the right addy you gave?

      V
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      • Profile picture of the author thomarv29
        Originally Posted by ITS-V View Post

        backlinkteam.com/ looks like there is nothing there - just another wordpress blog so to speak - is that the right addy you gave?

        V
        Yeah, I just looked at their site as i havent been there in a while and it looks like they are updating their site and that is a place holder... Ill keep you posted on when i see their main site return. Their site is pretty nice actually when its up, Ill let you know what i find out though. Sorry
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        • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
          Originally Posted by thomarv29 View Post

          Yeah, I just looked at their site as i havent been there in a while and it looks like they are updating their site and that is a place holder... Ill keep you posted on when i see their main site return. Their site is pretty nice actually when its up, Ill let you know what i find out though. Sorry
          Hey no problem - it's all good. Would be cool to take a peek when its up again.
          I am using Odesk now...just started so I'll see how it goes. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Thanks for the help. I'll check those options out. Just curious how much do you pay for writers in the philippines and how good are their articles. I have considered outsourcing writing to philippines aslo but I'm afraid of the quality. I was looking for about 175 articles*500 words and found some great leads but maybe might be a good alternative.
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    • Profile picture of the author ej2012
      I pay about $400 a month and I have his attention 8 hours a day if needed. He'll write any amount on anything pretty much, does all the research, I give him the keywords and he takes off. He rips about about 10-15 day. So about 300-450 per month.

      Here's an example article he did for me. Works for me!

      How to Choose Your Coffee Table

      "A coffee table is a very significant furniture at home especially if you love drinking coffee and love the idea of entertaining guests. They can be your centerpiece furniture to your sitting room or just your added convenient furniture in your backyard. They can also be made into a card game table with your buddies or working table around the house. It is just a simple little piece of furniture but its usefulness is so great and aside from that, it can also add aesthetic to your home décor.

      When choosing your first coffee table, your first criteria should be to consider the overall internal features of your dining room or the room in which you want to place it so that it will blend well with the personality of its surrounding. For instance, if your room has a classic décor or has Victorian era furniture, you can choose an ornate, curved leg dark wood coffee table to perfect the setting.

      If the room is generally themed chic and modern, there are also coffee tables that have lighter features such as those made with white wood, steel and glass pieces. If you are the kind of guy who loves Retro aura with Retro themed room, you can choose a slimmer table with designs of the 70s or 80s prints. So to summarize all of these, your home décor can always be your style guide in finding you perfect coffee table.

      Now, when it comes to pre-buying options, don't forget to measure every feature of the table. You should at least seat down on a sofa and measure the height of the table from the floor to the top of your knees. Its your option if you want it an inch higher or less but consider your guests' convenience as well. You must also choose durability and the materials the coffee table is made of and that depends on your habits and lifestyle. If you are a constant coffee drinker, a beer or wine drinker then you can opt for a glass surface coffee table for easy cleaning. Constant placing of wet glasses and cans on top of any coffee table usually leaves rings and scratches on top so a top glass coffee table can be easily cleaned and will not be scratched easily unlike wood top coffee tables."
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      • Profile picture of the author thomarv29
        Originally Posted by ej2012 View Post

        I pay about $400 a month and I have his attention 8 hours a day if needed. He'll write any amount on anything pretty much, does all the research, I give him the keywords and he takes off. He rips about about 10-15 day. So about 300-450 per month.

        Here's an example article he did for me. Works for me!

        How to Choose Your Coffee Table

        "A coffee table is a very significant furniture at home especially if you love drinking coffee and love the idea of entertaining guests. They can be your centerpiece furniture to your sitting room or just your added convenient furniture in your backyard. They can also be made into a card game table with your buddies or working table around the house. It is just a simple little piece of furniture but its usefulness is so great and aside from that, it can also add aesthetic to your home décor.

        When choosing your first coffee table, your first criteria should be to consider the overall internal features of your dining room or the room in which you want to place it so that it will blend well with the personality of its surrounding. For instance, if your room has a classic décor or has Victorian era furniture, you can choose an ornate, curved leg dark wood coffee table to perfect the setting.

        If the room is generally themed chic and modern, there are also coffee tables that have lighter features such as those made with white wood, steel and glass pieces. If you are the kind of guy who loves Retro aura with Retro themed room, you can choose a slimmer table with designs of the 70s or 80s prints. So to summarize all of these, your home décor can always be your style guide in finding you perfect coffee table.

        Now, when it comes to pre-buying options, don't forget to measure every feature of the table. You should at least seat down on a sofa and measure the height of the table from the floor to the top of your knees. Its your option if you want it an inch higher or less but consider your guests' convenience as well. You must also choose durability and the materials the coffee table is made of and that depends on your habits and lifestyle. If you are a constant coffee drinker, a beer or wine drinker then you can opt for a glass surface coffee table for easy cleaning. Constant placing of wet glasses and cans on top of any coffee table usually leaves rings and scratches on top so a top glass coffee table can be easily cleaned and will not be scratched easily unlike wood top coffee tables."
        damn it, now im thirsty for some starbucks... you ass lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
          Hi

          We use vworker (used to be called Rentacoder) for any programming jobs as at least you have some protections and a form of arbitration in case you need it.

          Regards

          Bronwyn and Keith
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  • Profile picture of the author Daryl Lim
    You can check out Jeff Mills' program, Outsourcing Secrets in which he reveals the best ways to do outsourcing and how you profit optimally from your VAs, writers etc.

    If I'm not wrong, he has his own database of filippino workers as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author ej2012
    one more thing: No need to be afraid about quality, you are in charge, ask for samples before you commit. I usually talk with 5-7 writers and get samples, I just ask them to write like 200-250 words on something, then I read it through and if the english is good and easy to understand and the content makes sense, I put them in the "consider for hire" box and move onto the next.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveML
      Originally Posted by ej2012 View Post

      one more thing: No need to be afraid about quality, you are in charge, ask for samples before you commit. I usually talk with 5-7 writers and get samples, I just ask them to write like 200-250 words on something, then I read it through and if the english is good and easy to understand and the content makes sense, I put them in the "consider for hire" box and move onto the next.

      Hello if you really want a quality writers...you can try us freelancer IM experts..you can get samples if you want...cheaper than you are paying...300 dollars only fix...oh and also we can do web developing or web designs..
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  • Profile picture of the author ej2012
    OHHHH... and I have starbucks with me right now... white chocolate mocha!!! lol

    cheers thomarv29
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    • Profile picture of the author thomarv29
      Originally Posted by ej2012 View Post

      OHHHH... and I have starbucks with me right now... white chocolate mocha!!! lol

      cheers thomarv29
      Getting in my car now and driving to Starbucks, you owe me $4. lol
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      • Profile picture of the author ej2012
        Originally Posted by thomarv29 View Post

        Getting in my car now and driving to Starbucks, you owe me $4. lol
        you take paypal.. lol
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        • Profile picture of the author thomarv29
          Originally Posted by ej2012 View Post

          you take paypal.. lol
          Yes I do lol, your obviously self promoting Starbucks which im sure you own a franchise, I think thats a violation of WF terms of service... I wont tell if you pay me a hefty ranson of 1 million dollars lol
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          • Profile picture of the author ej2012
            Originally Posted by thomarv29 View Post

            Yes I do lol, your obviously self promoting Starbucks which im sure you own a franchise, I think thats a violation of WF terms of service... I wont tell if you pay me a hefty ranson of 1 million dollars lol
            LOL.. why stop at 1 million... how about 1 billion dollars lol, my friends name ends in Bernanke, he loves to print money!, ill introduce ya.. LOL
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            • Profile picture of the author thomarv29
              Originally Posted by ej2012 View Post

              LOL.. why stop at 1 million... how about 1 billion dollars lol, my friends name ends in Bernanke, he loves to print money!, ill introduce ya.. LOL
              that would be great, i really believe in networking, helps make great connections with the nefarious lol
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              • Profile picture of the author ej2012
                Originally Posted by thomarv29 View Post

                that would be great, i really believe in networking, helps make great connections with the nefarious lol
                LOL... damn this coffee is good
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                • Profile picture of the author thomarv29
                  Originally Posted by ej2012 View Post

                  LOL... damn this coffee is good
                  You MotherFlucker LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Kudosman
    Hi EJ,
    Some good advcie there, l have been following John Jonas aka ReplaceMyself com and the Onlines jobs is his site, very useful.
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    • Profile picture of the author ej2012
      Originally Posted by Kudosman View Post

      Hi EJ,
      Some good advcie there, l have been following John Jonas aka ReplaceMyself com and the Onlines jobs is his site, very useful.
      Hi Kudosman- So glad you mentioned replacemyself com, I couldn't remember where I heard about onlinejobs.ph, definitely a very useful site.
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    thanks for hiring Filipino and for your funny conversation.
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  • Profile picture of the author justen_mllr
    Just ready to hire someone to do SEO for me from the Philippines. Getting someone to do articles for me from there is a great idea. gotta check into that.
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  • Profile picture of the author joadcrank
    I recommend you to use Freelancer, vWorker or oDesk. It's a good place from where you can CHOOSE someone to do you job. But, be careful & patient on who you choose. Look at their feedback, how they talk to you about the job and other things that you consider important to be important to him to.

    All the best. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author jamespitt
    If I were you, and you were looking to do a facebook app, I'd have a think about trying to do it 1st in Drupal, with the facebook plugin. This should reduce the time spent on it & should make it much easier to find other people to do the work if there are any issues.

    I've been working with Drupal for years now, and if you know what you are doing in it, you can produce really good projects in a tiny fraction of the work required using other systems. In fact - whilst I'm in the UK, by using Drupal I can compete on price with India for bigger projects, as a 2 month project becomes a 2-3 week project.

    Drop me a PM if you want any help with anything.

    James

    www.james-pitt.com | - my personal Drupal site.
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  • Profile picture of the author WealthWithin
    I'd say avoid any site where you can't see the programmer's work history.

    Personally, I'd go for oDesk or GAF. oDesk is much safer. GAF is a bit cheaper.

    Don't restrict yourself just to Philippines. You can find good programmers from other countries as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Even
    I've always had great luck with workers from the Philippines. I've also hired a couple of great programmers from India, plus Canada and the US (which of course is more expensive).
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucas Adamski
    I would recommend easyoutsource.com and onlinejobs.ph. You can recommend a qualified filipino for as low as $200 full time!
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Hey BTW I can't seem to hire people at onlinejobs.ph
    Do you require an upgraded account to hire?
    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author mad.hat
    You can get some great coders from odesk or rentacoder. They may not necessarily be from the Phillipines but when it comes to coding this doesn't really matter at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Enzo Ewens
    Hi Humblemarket,

    I'm from the PH, and I've started as a linkbuilder. Not that I'm promoting my own countrymen, but you'll be able to get real cheap prices there.

    And that's right a $200 / month is a full time work already in the PH, considering the super low cost of living there.

    Still, IMHO and experience people that you pay for that amount would either be a newbie cause those who really "knows" there stuff charges more and definitely you'll get what you pay for.

    Still, I'd follow Anik Singal's recommendation when starting to outsource and that is to start slowly and just give them small tasks and see what the output is.

    I know some great programmers but I'm not sure if what you want is something they could do.
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  • Profile picture of the author jesus72knight
    I've been outsourcing to the Philippines for quite some time and all I can say is I'm impressed with their work. They are very professional and they can easily connect with their clients. Very polite and hospitable.

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  • Profile picture of the author aiza.bb
    i found the good site for you is the philwebservices, they are all great and grow enough to be mature in doing job. They provide a high quality of job, good freelancer, talented and very friendly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
    Given your budget and what sounds like a one-time project, you may have better luck outsourcing to WHOEVER is best able to do the job, not specifically to the Philippines.

    If you're looking for specific Philippines job sites, you'll find oDesk is great for freelancers, while OnlineJobs.ph, BestJobs.ph and OutsourceFactor.com all have great numbers of Filipinos looking for full time jobs.
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