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Business partner... I just can't do it anymore

by TomBuck
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Hi, Today I got my first $500 check from clickbank. I was happy and it only really took me a month to do it. But I worked very hard and really didn't enjoy doing so. What I am looking to do is set up a website, create a product grow a list and hence make money by internet marketing. But here is the thing, I cannot think of a niche, I am rubbish with website designs, I don't have that much time. Now my plus points: I am good at SEO, I can create products well, I know how to use aweber and I am good at marketing.

I am kind of looking for someone to help me and maybe set up a business.?

All advise is welcome in terms of niche ideas and topics, If you are interested P.M. me
#anymore #business #business partner #partner
  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    What exactly is it that you didn't enjoy about what you were doing?
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      What exactly is it that you didn't enjoy about what you were doing?
      [OP=TomBuck; But I worked very hard and really didn't enjoy doing so.]

      Tom it's unlikely your going to be great at the entire IM thing. I'm crap at technical stuff so I do what I can and outsource what I can't. I'm not sure how new you are but $500 in a month isn't so bad, what will happen and how much will you make next month if you apply the same hard work strategy?

      The thing is most businesses are hard work, just like getting a job is. I know Mr Wagenheim here used to do 14 hour days to get his business going. I used to have a full time job and work before and after on my own business.

      I wouldn't "think" of a niche...research one. Either way having a business partner is unlikely to make the work easier. Like Steve said what was it you didn't enjoy?

      EDIT. I see it was the hard work for the $500 you got at the end. Tom, believe me, keep doing the hard work and the $500 grows.
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  • Profile picture of the author amoro
    Nice to hear that you are good at SEO, in additional try to do pay-per click, this is annother way on how to earn. If you are not really good in writing a niche, you can hire a article writter. There are a lot of good one on the net. Cheers.
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    • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      What exactly is it that you didn't enjoy about what you were doing?
      Well obviously I enjoyed my paycheck at the end, but for the amount of work I did, I think I could make more use of it if you get me. If I was committed to one thing, but I just don't know what and when it comes to websites and stuff I am useless.

      Originally Posted by amoro View Post

      Nice to hear that you are good at SEO, in additional try to do pay-per click, this is annother way on how to earn. If you are not really good in writing a niche, you can hire a article writter. There are a lot of good one on the net. Cheers.
      I am okay at article writing and spinning. But I do not have the money to do PPC yet.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

        Well obviously I enjoyed my paycheck at the end, but for the amount of work I did, I think I could make more use of it if you get me. If I was committed to one thing, but I just don't know what and when it comes to websites and stuff I am useless.
        Still doesn't answer my question. What didn't you like about what you
        were doing?

        If it was just the amount of work itself, do yourself a favor and go get a 9
        to 5 job. There is nothing that you're going to do online that isn't going to
        take an enormous amount of time and effort if you want to be very
        successful.

        So again I ask, what didn't you enjoy about what you were doing?

        Believe it or not, I'm trying to help you but your initial post is vague.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      But here is the thing, I cannot think of a niche, I am rubbish with website designs, I don't have that much time.
      Well, you don't have to "think of a niche." Those are all over the place, lol.

      Maybe start a list. Take a few days. Write down a ton of them. Then narrow down ones that appeal to you and which you think you could create a product about.

      Website design can be outsourced. I don't do it for clients I have - I get their specs and hire a designer to do it right. It can be done for just a few hundred dollars.

      As for the time thing - you had enough time to get a campaign going to make that initial $500 - so there is apparently some time you can lend to the project.
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  • Profile picture of the author Supernatural_fan
    Have you considered posting a job description in which you are looking for a partner for your future online business? places like freelancer offer a lot of opportunities to find the right person to help you grow and expand and eventually earn a lot of money. Since you won't be doing all by yourself, you might earn a lot more than you already had. Not to mention that you'll be able to hire website designers, article writers etc, and you might get them cheap. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author secrets2010
    Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

    Hi, Today I got my first $500 check from clickbank. I was happy and it only really took me a month to do it. But I worked very hard and really didn't enjoy doing so. What I am looking to do is set up a website, create a product grow a list and hence make money by internet marketing. But here is the thing, I cannot think of a niche, I am rubbish with website designs, I don't have that much time. Now my plus points: I am good at SEO, I can create products well, I know how to use aweber and I am good at marketing.

    I am kind of looking for someone to help me and maybe set up a business.?

    All advise is welcome in terms of niche ideas and topics, If you are interested P.M. me
    you could outsource what you dont want or cant do...on the hire section you will find many web designers that can help you
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  • Profile picture of the author JOSEPHRAJ
    If you are good at creating products and can market well, then you should create some unique "Make Money" info products and use your marketing skills to sell them. You will end up receiving $5000 checks!

    Why I am suggesting this is because you said you are not good at finding niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

    Hi, Today I got my first $500 check from clickbank.
    Compared with the "average", you've got off to a flying start, Tom. This is something you can really build on.

    Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

    But here is the thing, I cannot think of a niche, I am rubbish with website designs, I don't have that much time. Now my plus points: I am good at SEO, I can create products well, I know how to use aweber and I am good at marketing.
    Then you're already identifying the things you're good at and the things you're bad at and/or don't want to do ... which, again, puts you way ahead of most people, who are struggling at your stage, not understanding why it doesn't work for them and what they need to change to make it work.

    Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

    I am kind of looking for someone to help me and maybe set up a business.?
    Good idea. And I wish you really well executing it. Working in "partnership" with someone can have many advantages, albeit that it can have some disadvantages, too (though the extent to which they're disadvantages, I think, varies very much according to the two people involved in it). But undoubtedly, for some people, it's a better business model than simply outsourcing everything you can't/won't do yourself (which is what I do instead, because I don't work well "with people" and need to work at my own very variable pace and never give up control of anything ).

    Good luck, and looking forward to reading reports of your progress.
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    • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      Still doesn't answer my question. What didn't you like about what you
      were doing?

      If it was just the amount of work itself, do yourself a favor and go get a 9
      to 5 job. There is nothing that you're going to do online that isn't going to
      take an enormous amount of time and effort if you want to be very
      successful.

      So again I ask, what didn't you enjoy about what you were doing?

      Believe it or not, I'm trying to help you but your initial post is vague.
      I didn't enjoy the amount I work I put in to get the small amount of money, Granted if I worked it out it would probably be like $20 an hour but I think if I used my time more constructively I could have made more use of it.

      Originally Posted by avenuegirl View Post

      Well, you don't have to "think of a niche." Those are all over the place, lol.

      Maybe start a list. Take a few days. Write down a ton of them. Then narrow down ones that appeal to you and which you think you could create a product about.

      Website design can be outsourced. I don't do it for clients I have - I get their specs and hire a designer to do it right. It can be done for just a few hundred dollars.

      As for the time thing - you had enough time to get a campaign going to make that initial $500 - so there is apparently some time you can lend to the project.
      This is the thing, I am a student (17) So money just seems to disappear, I brought an article spinner, a product and before I knew it, only 300 left, 200 to "living" 100 left. I just need to be more organised i think.

      Originally Posted by Digitrendz View Post

      If you are good at creating products and can market well, then you should create some unique "Make Money" info products and use your marketing skills to sell them. You will end up receiving $5000 checks!

      Why I am suggesting this is because you said you are not good at finding niches.
      Thanks this is what I was thinking, I may try this soon.

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Compared with the "average", you've got off to a flying start, Tom. This is something you can really build on.



      Then you're already identifying the things you're good at and the things you're bad at and/or don't want to do ... which, again, puts you way ahead of most people, who are struggling at your stage, not understanding why it doesn't work for them and what they need to change to make it work.



      Good idea. And I wish you really well executing it. Working in "partnership" with someone can have many advantages, albeit that it can have some disadvantages, too (though the extent to which they're disadvantages, I think, varies very much according to the two people involved in it). But undoubtedly, for some people, it's a better business model than simply outsourcing everything you can't/won't do yourself (which is what I do instead, because I don't work well "with people" and need to work at my own very variable pace and never give up control of anything ).

      Good luck, and looking forward to reading reports of your progress.
      Thanks nice info as always
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

        I didn't enjoy the amount I work I put in to get the small amount of money, Granted if I worked it out it would probably be like $20 an hour but I think if I used my time more constructively I could have made more use of it.
        Okay, then what you need isn't a business partner but a business plan
        and an attitude adjustment.

        Like I said, this is hard work and there is a lot of it. If you think you're going
        to magically push some buttons or some partner is going to come in, do
        half the work and the money is going to double, you're crazy.

        You're young. So you need to sit down and decide if this is REALLY what
        you want to do. Because it doesn't get easier for a very long time.
        Building a business takes time, effort and money.

        And a lot of the work you will have to is NOT fun and there is a LOT of it.

        That is the reality.

        Wrap your head around that reality, come to grips with it, and then MAYBE
        you'll have a chance to make something of your home business.

        A partner is NOT going to solve your problems.
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        • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Okay, then what you need isn't a business partner but a business plan
          and an attitude adjustment.

          Like I said, this is hard work and there is a lot of it. If you think you're going
          to magically push some buttons or some partner is going to come in, do
          half the work and the money is going to double, you're crazy.

          You're young. So you need to sit down and decide if this is REALLY what
          you want to do. Because it doesn't get easier for a very long time.
          Building a business takes time, effort and money.

          And a lot of the work you will have to is NOT fun and there is a LOT of it.

          That is the reality.

          Wrap your head around that reality, come to grips with it, and then MAYBE
          you'll have a chance to make something of your home business.

          A partner is NOT going to solve your problems.
          Not really giving advise here, more just criticising, But if you have a partner your work load is split, and the things that you are bad at they can help with and the things are good at prosper.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

            Not really giving advise here, more just criticising, But if you have a partner your work load is split, and the things that you are bad at they can help with and the things are good at prosper.
            Well, if that's the way you see it...fine. I've been at this for almost 8 years
            now and I think I have a pretty good handle on what people's problems are.

            You've essentially stated that you don't like the work or it's too much work
            or whatever.

            If you think it's going to get easier or become more "fun" just because you
            have somebody to share the work load, think again.

            I'm done giving advice to you as you obviously don't want it or need it.

            Now I know why I stopped trying to tell my daughter what to do.

            You'll just have to learn and find out for yourself.

            Fortunately...you have a lot of years ahead of you to do just that.

            Good luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

        I didn't enjoy the amount I work I put in to get the small amount of money, Granted if I worked it out it would probably be like $20 an hour but I think if I used my time more constructively I could have made more use of it.
        Not bad. When I was about your age I worked my a$$ off washing dishes in a restaurant. It was hot, nasty and sometimes heavy work. I made $3.35 an hour.


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        Just because you made $20/hour now doesn't mean that's what you'll always make. You're building assets, yes? If not, do it right now -- build mailing lists, blogs, etc. Those sorts of assets will pay you back many times over the years.

        In other words, put your time into building a business and your income WILL go up. But put your time into chasing money makers, and you'll always be chasing (without necessarily seeing any increase in income).

        Cheers,
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          Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

          Not bad. When I was about your age I worked my a$$ off washing dishes in a restaurant. It was hot, nasty and sometimes heavy work. I made $3.35 an hour.


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          Just because you made $20/hour now doesn't mean that's what you'll always make. You're building assets, yes? If not, do it right now -- build mailing lists, blogs, etc. Those sorts of assets will pay you back many times over the years.

          In other words, put your time into building a business and your income WILL go up. But put your time into chasing money makers, and you'll always be chasing (without necessarily seeing any increase in income).

          Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Don't take on a partner if you don't need one. Reinvest your earnings by hiring somebody to do the work for you. There are plenty of threads regarding outsourcing. I suggest that you do a little research on that.
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Hi Tom,

    If you can create products well, then create a product and build a niche around it. Or are you saying you need the ideas first before you create the product?

    Since you have earned a $500 check you should now have things in place to rinse and repeat that effort. It is hard work to do it but once you have done it, it gets easier and you should already have your ground work so it is not so hard.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

      Hi Tom,

      If you can create products well, then create a product and build a niche around it. Or are you saying you need the ideas first before you create the product?

      Since you have earned a $500 check you should now have things in place to rinse and repeat that effort. It is hard work to do it but once you have done it, it gets easier and you should already have your ground work so it is not so hard.
      No offense, but you folks are missing the big picture here.

      In a nutshell, the kid has done some marketing (don't know what level due
      to lack of details), has gotten some results out of it to the tune of $500
      but has discovered that it was a lot of work to make that $500 and that
      it wasn't a lot of fun and doesn't want to do it anymore.

      So he's looking for somebody to come in and say, "Hey, don't worry, I'll do
      all that stuff that you can't stand and you can just do the fun stuff."

      Problem is, there is very little fun stuff in this business unless you TRULY
      love what you're doing.

      Bottom line: This kid doesn't like Internet marketing and he thinks a partner
      is going to change that.

      It won't.

      And if that fact makes me the big, bad, evil bully and kill joy in this thread
      then so be it.

      But somebody has to make this kid look in the mirror and see what the
      real problem is.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
        Listen, I HAVE 2 partners on two seperate projects and it's more work to
        make just the partnership aspect work than you THINK.

        It is NOT as cut and dry as "you do half, I do half", because the half you
        do is STILL hard work .

        The HARDER work is keeping the partnership alive when problems do exist,
        and the even HARDER part is looking for partners who are competent and
        who take action without screwing around or being told what to do.

        The partners I have is NOT because of luck, but because of my SKILLS. I
        have something THEY want, they have something I want -- so when we
        put our heads together we get things done quicker...but you have to GET
        the skills to be ATTRACTIVE to partners who ARE worth their salt.

        No ones going to come to you and say, "Hey, I want to help YOU make
        money" without them getting anything in return -- and the reality is you
        have NOTHING to offer.

        So if you DO get a partner, chances are it'll be more like a mentorship or
        coaching program and THAT you will have to pay for unless you have
        special family or friend connections where you get it for free.

        But until you have something that's worth partnering WITH...you will at
        BEST get access to deadbeats who talk a good game, say they will do
        something, but NEVER get around to doing it -- pretty much where YOU
        are at this point in your business career (I'm being HONEST).

        Do you really BELIEVE you will get someone Frank Kern to partner with
        YOU knowing you don't even like to WORK hard for YOURSELF?

        The hard work you're doing...there is no way around it. Partnerships or
        solo...but as you get BETTER and more efficient at what you do, you will
        get offers for partnerships that MATCH your level of skill and mindset, &
        right now you will not get those kind of quality partners YOU are looking
        for until you change the way you think.
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        • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
          Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin View Post

          Listen, I HAVE 2 partners on two seperate projects and it's more work to
          make just the partnership aspect work than you THINK.

          It is NOT as cut and dry as "you do half, I do half", because the half you
          do is STILL hard work .

          The HARDER work is keeping the partnership alive when problems do exist,
          and the even HARDER part is looking for partners who are competent and
          who take action without screwing around or being told what to do.

          The partners I have is NOT because of luck, but because of my SKILLS. I
          have something THEY want, they have something I want -- so when we
          put our heads together we get things done quicker...but you have to GET
          the skills to be ATTRACTIVE to partners who ARE worth their salt.

          No ones going to come to you and say, "Hey, I want to help YOU make
          money" without them getting anything in return -- and the reality is you
          have NOTHING to offer.

          So if you DO get a partner, chances are it'll be more like a mentorship or
          coaching program and THAT you will have to pay for unless you have
          special family or friend connections where you get it for free.

          But until you have something that's worth partnering WITH...you will at
          BEST get access to deadbeats who talk a good game, say they will do
          something, but NEVER get around to doing it -- pretty much where YOU
          are at this point in your business career (I'm being HONEST).

          Do you really BELIEVE you will get someone Frank Kern to partner with
          YOU knowing you don't even like to WORK hard for YOURSELF?

          The hard work you're doing...there is no way around it. Partnerships or
          solo...but as you get BETTER and more efficient at what you do, you will
          get offers for partnerships that MATCH your level of skill and mindset, &
          right now you will not get those kind of quality partners YOU are looking
          for until you change the way you think.
          Good answer cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      Okay, then what you need isn't a business partner but a business plan
      and an attitude adjustment.

      Like I said, this is hard work and there is a lot of it. If you think you're going
      to magically push some buttons or some partner is going to come in, do
      half the work and the money is going to double, you're crazy.

      You're young. So you need to sit down and decide if this is REALLY what
      you want to do. Because it doesn't get easier for a very long time.
      Building a business takes time, effort and money.

      And a lot of the work you will have to is NOT fun and there is a LOT of it.

      That is the reality.

      Wrap your head around that reality, come to grips with it, and then MAYBE
      you'll have a chance to make something of your home business.

      A partner is NOT going to solve your problems.
      Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

      Hi Tom,

      If you can create products well, then create a product and build a niche around it. Or are you saying you need the ideas first before you create the product?

      Since you have earned a $500 check you should now have things in place to rinse and repeat that effort. It is hard work to do it but once you have done it, it gets easier and you should already have your ground work so it is not so hard.
      Yeah, I want to get going but I dont want to get into the internet marketing niche thoo.
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

        Yeah, I want to get going but I dont want to get into the internet marketing niche thoo.
        Dude, what do you mean by "I don't want to get into the internet marketing niche"?

        Who's saying you have to?

        Go to the Clickbank Marketplace, or to Amazon, or to ASDA/Walmart or whatever and look around you. What do you see? Niches.

        They're all over the place.

        Not everyone on this forum is in the internet marketing niche, and makes money by teaching others how to make money.

        In fact, the internet marketing / make money online niche is arguably the worst niche a beginner could get into. It's a high-competition niche and your competition would comprise some of the most experienced, "hardcore" marketers around.

        Find other niches.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          , I want to get going but I dont want to get into the internet marketing niche thoo.
          That set off my BS meter! You registered your first domain 10 days ago - and it's a 5-hyphen url about "make money fast/easy" - the epitome of the IM "niche".

          You want to jump into big money right away without doing any of the grunt work required to get sites and blogs up, to do REAL SEO work, etc. How else could a 17 yr old earn $20 an hour except online?

          If your numbers are accurate, you spent 5 hrs a week for about 6 weeks to earn $500 in CB money...and did that without a website or blog of your own. Forget a partner - use the $500 to outsource the repetitive work that you don't like to do.

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          • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            That set off my BS meter! You registered your first domain 10 days ago - and it's a 5-hyphen url about "make money fast/easy" - the epitome of the IM "niche".

            You want to jump into big money right away without doing any of the grunt work required to get sites and blogs up, to do REAL SEO work, etc. How else could a 17 yr old earn $20 an hour except online?

            If your numbers are accurate, you spent 5 hrs a week for about 6 weeks to earn $500 in CB money...and did that without a website or blog of your own. Forget a partner - use the $500 to outsource the repetitive work that you don't like to do.

            kay
            Thanks nice comment I think I found a ledgend of a guy who is explaining everything to me now. Thats for your help.
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
            This has 'I'm too lazy to do the work, so I want a dumb @$$ partner to do all the work for me....' written all over it.

            You may get a partner, but you'll soon have problems when he realizes he is doing all the crap work while you sit back and drink margaritas.

            That's no way to run a partnership.

            What I suggest you do is either man up and do the work, or pay a VA $300/m to do some of your tasks for you. Seeing how you are at the $500/m mark, it probably isnt a wise decision to do that just yet.
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              Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

              This has 'I'm too lazy to do the work, so I want a dumb @$$ partner to do all the work for me....' written all over it.

              You may get a partner, but you'll soon have problems when he realizes he is doing all the crap work while you sit back and drink margaritas.

              That's no way to run a partnership.

              What I suggest you do is either man up and do the work, or pay a VA $300/m to do some of your tasks for you. Seeing how you are at the $500/m mark, it probably isnt a wise decision to do that just yet.
              Tom says this post isn't very helpfull, but that is only because it isn't what he wants to hear. He doesn't want to hear that he needs to buck up and do the work to succeed. He wants people fighting to be his partner so he doesn't have to do anything.

              This advice has been said in many ways in this thread and personally I think this is the best advice he is going to get.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    I think the best advise I can offer you here Tom is to follow the advice you have on one of your websites.

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  • Profile picture of the author Erica Leggette
    My advice is to take a while and think about what you are trying to accomplish with internet marketing.
    Is it just to lay a foundation to greater things you want to accomplish or is being an internet marketer your ambition?

    Knowing WHY you are doing something can potentially make the hard work easier for you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author ScottieScott
    Tom,

    I think you are in for a rude awakening. You are 17 and a student....you think you don't have much time now? Wait until you get a real job if that is what you are after! And if you think you will just rise to the top by working your 40 hours/week you are highly disallusioned. The rewards you get in life will be equal to what you do AFTER you do what you are supposed to do. To rise to the top of any company expect to work very hard.

    That being said, working a job you will most likely not be in control of your income. They will pay you what they think you are worth, and that is usually far less that what you will think you are worth.

    You say you don't know website building, niche research, and don't have much time. I guarantee that EVERYONE HERE knew nothing about the things they are doing before they started. The difference is they set goals, learned through hard work tenacity, and enjoy the rewards for their efforts. Any attempts to bypass this process will result in disappointment, and ultimately in failure.

    The difference between having your own IM business is that the harder you work, the more you are rewarded. Little work, little reward......Huge work, huge reward. You may need to change your perspective of what hard work actually is. Making $20/hour on your own is actually pretty respectable. I know very educated people that only make $15/hour and work a ton more than your 25 hours on this project.

    And who is to say that this income stream is dead? You didn't elaborate, but even if you got another $100/month doing absolutely nothing, how many of these projects would you be willing to do and then enjoy the recurring income.

    I think what you are looking for is a place to OUTSOURCE the things you can't do, not a person to partner with. If you get a partner, expect to work 4x harder than you did on your project.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbishop
    Tom, I don't know that I can add to the advice here, other than to agree with those who say you can outsource the part of the work you don't enjoy. Finding a good VA can work wonders in removing some of the less desirable tasks, as can finding a good website designer. SEO skills (in my opinion) are harder to come by, so I would think you could easily find someone to help you out with this. Good luck with it!

    And I think it's tremendous that you're only 17 and have such a good start. Many people work online for years and don't earn $500.
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  • Profile picture of the author NutrapayAndy
    If you don't enjoy it you won't find success in it bud. You can't force success
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    • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
      Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

      This has 'I'm too lazy to do the work, so I want a dumb @$$ partner to do all the work for me....' written all over it.

      You may get a partner, but you'll soon have problems when he realizes he is doing all the crap work while you sit back and drink margaritas.

      That's no way to run a partnership.

      What I suggest you do is either man up and do the work, or pay a VA $300/m to do some of your tasks for you. Seeing how you are at the $500/m mark, it probably isnt a wise decision to do that just yet.
      Yeah cheers :confused: Not really helpful!

      Originally Posted by dbishop View Post

      Tom, I don't know that I can add to the advice here, other than to agree with those who say you can outsource the part of the work you don't enjoy. Finding a good VA can work wonders in removing some of the less desirable tasks, as can finding a good website designer. SEO skills (in my opinion) are harder to come by, so I would think you could easily find someone to help you out with this. Good luck with it!

      And I think it's tremendous that you're only 17 and have such a good start. Many people work online for years and don't earn $500.
      Nice post thanks a lot.

      Originally Posted by NutrapayAndy View Post

      If you don't enjoy it you won't find success in it bud. You can't force success
      Thanks good info
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    It sounds like you already have a system to make money and you know what to do so why would you want to split those profits with someone else when you could outsource the parts you don't like to do for a lot less money?

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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Don't think you need a partnership. What you do need is a virtual assistant, that is, someone that you can give the work that you don't like or aren't good at to, so you can do the work that you DO like. You've made an excellent start man! Keep going! I guarantee this will get easier. And as your business grows you can outsource more. Would you rather take a minimum wage job flipping burgers?
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    • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
      Originally Posted by ScottieScott View Post

      Tom says this post isn't very helpfull, but that is only because it isn't what he wants to hear. He doesn't want to hear that he needs to buck up and do the work to succeed. He wants people fighting to be his partner so he doesn't have to do anything.

      This advice has been said in many ways in this thread and personally I think this is the best advice he is going to get.
      The difference between slagging off and giving advise!!!! - Comments below are giving advise, some other comments are just slagging off for the hell of it! "man up" or "try outsourcing" I think I would take the friendly advise.


      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      It sounds like you already have a system to make money and you know what to do so why would you want to split those profits with someone else when you could outsource the parts you don't like to do for a lot less money?

      Lee
      Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

      Don't think you need a partnership. What you do need is a virtual assistant, that is, someone that you can give the work that you don't like or aren't good at to, so you can do the work that you DO like. You've made an excellent start man! Keep going! I guarantee this will get easier. And as your business grows you can outsource more. Would you rather take a minimum wage job flipping burgers?
      Thanks nice info, I think the thing was I didnt even know that I could do this... Thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE advise, unlike some others.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
        Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

        The difference between slagging off and giving advise!!!! - Comments below are giving advise, some other comments are just slagging off for the hell of it! "man up" or "try outsourcing" I think I would take the friendly advise.

        Thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE advise, unlike some others.
        Are you serious? I gave you the most constructive advice you could possibly get. So it was given in a criticizing way... you need it. I think you are a bit delusional with your OP, which is why I was blunt about it.

        I'll sugar coat it up for you though, seems that is what you most desire:

        Great job!! You made your first $500, you're doing great!!! Now just go around and post on a bunch of forums about how you want someone to do all your work for you bcause you are feeling to lazy to do the grind yourself. You may even be able to convince them to do it for free if you try hard enough. Maybe you could position it as a internship opportunity! Who knows?? The right mindset, you can do anything! Woo hooo!! You go!!!

        Or you can take my advice, get to work or hire a VA to do it for you...

        And again, at $500/m, spending $300/m for a VA wouldn't be the best decision just yet.

        So that leaves you with one option... the one option that you don't want to do.

        Really...think about it...

        Say by the off chance that you miraculously find a partner willing to do this for you. What do you bring to the table that he/she cannot?

        I hate to break this to you, but in this business there is very little that you can do that other people cannot. Yeah, it helps to be able to do SEO, create websites, products, etc. But that is not unique at all. It's easy to find someone with those skills.

        Even if you create your own product...

        So what. Anyone can do it.

        Your only assets in this business that would make you desirable to a potential partner is your brand (and fan base) and your connections. Everything else is easily acquired. Expert level knowledge in a topic matter could potentially be one of those things, but that can also be paid for.

        Now if they (your partner) are doing all the work, how long do you think it'll take til that person realizes they are getting the shaft? A matter of weeks.

        So you'll have to continuously search around for new suckers. Sounds like you could get a lot more done just doing what needs to be done...
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

          Are you serious? I gave you the most constructive advice you could possibly get. So it was given in a criticizing way... you need it. I think you are a bit delusional with your OP, which is why I was blunt about it.

          I'll sugar coat it up for you though, seems that is what you most desire:

          Great job!! You made your first $500, you're doing great!!! Now just go around and post on a bunch of forums about how you want someone to do all your work for you bcause you are feeling to lazy to do the grind yourself. You may even be able to convince them to do it for free if you try hard enough. Maybe you could position it as a internship opportunity! Who knows?? The right mindset, you can do anything! Woo hooo!! You go!!!

          Or you can take my advice, get to work or hire a VA to do it for you...

          And again, at $500/m, spending $300/m for a VA wouldn't be the best decision just yet.

          So that leaves you with one option... the one option that you don't want to do.

          Really...think about it...

          Say by the off chance that you miraculously find a partner willing to do this for you. What do you bring to the table that he/she cannot? If they are doing all the work, how long do you think it'll take til that person realizes they are getting the shaft? A matter of weeks.

          So you'll have to continuously search around for new suckers. Sounds like you could get a lot more done just doing what needs to be done...

          Daniel, you're wasting your breath and your time.

          Which is why I'm done wasting mine.

          He'll learn the hard way...as so many people, unfortunately, have to do
          before they realize that their mindset it totally FUBAR.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Look, this young man whose only 17 has achieved in just one month what a great deal of internet marketers never even achieve. He got his first, first, cheque from CB for $500. I started this game a while back and never made anything for nearly 2 years. Had I done this for a month and hit $500 in my first month there wouldn't have been a man on this earth who could have stopped me leaping through the ceiling with excitement. Instead we have "I just can't do this anymore" and "But I worked very hard and really didn't enjoy doing so". I really can't see how that attitude can really work in any business. Heck they say most businesses fail in there first year, this is after a month.

      This guys achieved something great and can't see it. Either the OP needs to get out of this IM stuff and go into something way more profitable or just have a dam good think about how well he's done in such a short time. Exactly how much money would have been sufficient with the effort you put in to warrant a response other than "I just can't do this anymore"?

      I'm sorry I realise a lot of people want to help him but Wagenheims advice wasn't bad advice, he was trying help the kid see what he's done. If he can't see what he's done then no amount of helping him will work. I read a thread the other day about someone who'd done this for 7 years without making any money. Come on Tom, a lot of newbies would kill to do what you have.
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      • Profile picture of the author asimbawany
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        I read a thread the other day about someone who'd done this for 7 years without making any money. Come on Tom, a lot of newbies would kill to do what you have.
        exactly!

        When someone gets results like what you have achieved Tom, the hard work becomes a lot easier instantly because you just saw fruit for your labor and you now KNOW that this stuff works for real. More work = Even better results.

        I started making cash just a couple of months ago after about 8 months. The first time I saw the green bar in my CB account I was super excited. And for the next three days, the only things I did were the same things that had made me that little trickle of money. Quite literally I hardly slept those three days and sure enough I got more of that CB cash.

        Im pretty sure thats how it is for most people. When they finally see their hard work paying off, the hard work is not so hard anymore.

        My advise is simply that you take Steven Wagenheims advise.. here it is again

        Okay, then what you need isn't a business partner but a business plan and an attitude adjustment.
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  • Profile picture of the author kartikkhattar
    I didnt go through the whole thread, but your main post really surprised me... buddy we all should thank the technological development ... thrs so much u can do online... and niche research is not all that tough.. and my advise would sound kiddish or vague to some people.. but honestly if ur feeling confused AND ur gud at SEO then start with adsense... believe me, ur brain will start working really nicely when you will see more $$ coming your way

    you will start getting new ideas and you wont get bored implementing them... but yes, there is work involved...

    Niche ---> Content ----> Traffic , monetisation methods can be thought of after that

    Just my opinion

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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb D Miller
    Hey Tom, I like your YT vids and your articles. You seem to care about what you are doing and have a focus. Guys like you and me just have to keep learning, growing and implementing this stuff and eventually we'll get super good at it.

    I pm'd you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      I'd take a look at these current active threads online now...

      just made my first dollar in IM

      Feeling Like I'm Falling Behind

      How long does it take to get a CB Sale?

      I also think Ed Dale needs to up his game with the challenge, all those people making a dollar after a month or so. What a disappointment that must be.

      Tom you've done well my son!
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      • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
        Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

        Are you serious? I gave you the most constructive advice you could possibly get. So it was given in a criticizing way... you need it. I think you are a bit delusional with your OP, which is why I was blunt about it.

        I'll sugar coat it up for you though, seems that is what you most desire:

        Great job!! You made your first $500, you're doing great!!! Now just go around and post on a bunch of forums about how you want someone to do all your work for you bcause you are feeling to lazy to do the grind yourself. You may even be able to convince them to do it for free if you try hard enough. Maybe you could position it as a internship opportunity! Who knows?? The right mindset, you can do anything! Woo hooo!! You go!!!

        Or you can take my advice, get to work or hire a VA to do it for you...

        And again, at $500/m, spending $300/m for a VA wouldn't be the best decision just yet.

        So that leaves you with one option... the one option that you don't want to do.

        Really...think about it...

        Say by the off chance that you miraculously find a partner willing to do this for you. What do you bring to the table that he/she cannot?

        I hate to break this to you, but in this business there is very little that you can do that other people cannot. Yeah, it helps to be able to do SEO, create websites, products, etc. But that is not unique at all. It's easy to find someone with those skills.

        Even if you create your own product...

        So what. Anyone can do it.

        Your only assets in this business that would make you desirable to a potential partner is your brand (and fan base) and your connections. Everything else is easily acquired. Expert level knowledge in a topic matter could potentially be one of those things, but that can also be paid for.

        Now if they (your partner) are doing all the work, how long do you think it'll take til that person realizes they are getting the shaft? A matter of weeks.

        So you'll have to continuously search around for new suckers. Sounds like you could get a lot more done just doing what needs to be done...
        Much better haha

        Originally Posted by kartikkhattar View Post

        I didnt go through the whole thread, but your main post really surprised me... buddy we all should thank the technological development ... thrs so much u can do online... and niche research is not all that tough.. and my advise would sound kiddish or vague to some people.. but honestly if ur feeling confused AND ur gud at SEO then start with adsense... believe me, ur brain will start working really nicely when you will see more $$ coming your way

        you will start getting new ideas and you wont get bored implementing them... but yes, there is work involved...

        Niche ---> Content ----> Traffic , monetisation methods can be thought of after that

        Just my opinion

        Regards,
        kartikkhattar
        Okay cheers will try it.


        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        I want the 4 minutes of my life back ....
        whY post that?

        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Daniel, you're wasting your breath and your time.

        Which is why I'm done wasting mine.

        He'll learn the hard way...as so many people, unfortunately, have to do
        before they realize that their mindset it totally FUBAR.
        You said that last time....


        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        I'd take a look at these current active threads online now...

        just made my first dollar in IM

        Feeling Like I'm Falling Behind

        How long does it take to get a CB Sale?

        I also think Ed Dale needs to up his game with the challenge, all those people making a dollar after a month or so. What a disappointment that must be.

        Tom you've done well my son!
        Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author mad.hat
    TomBuck, you may have had better luck if you posted this in the JV section and not stated why you wanted a partner. When you say the other work is too tedious or something then people will just rag on you. You still did get quite a bit of good advice but maybe next time, or right now, just go in the JV section and say something to this effect:

    I have am still quite new to internet marketing but with what I have learned I was able to make $500 in a month's time. I am looking for some who can do:
    - 1
    - 2
    ...

    I am very good at blah blah blah already and can take care of all of that. If you are interested in JVing and spliting profits 50/50 please detail your experience with internet marketing briefly below. Thank you.

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    This way you can get real offers and may still end up getting some comments on simply hiring a VA or outsourcing the work but not to the extent where people are trying to beat their ideas into you.

    Best of luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
      Originally Posted by mad.hat View Post

      TomBuck, you may have had better luck if you posted this in the JV section and not stated why you wanted a partner. When you say the other work is too tedious or something then people will just rag on you. You still did get quite a bit of good advice but maybe next time, or right now, just go in the JV section and say something to this effect:

      I have am still quite new to internet marketing but with what I have learned I was able to make $500 in a month's time. I am looking for some who can do:
      - 1
      - 2
      ...

      I am very good at blah blah blah already and can take care of all of that. If you are interested in JVing and spliting profits 50/50 please detail your experience with internet marketing briefly below. Thank you.

      ************************************************** **************
      This way you can get real offers and may still end up getting some comments on simply hiring a VA or outsourcing the work but not to the extent where people are trying to beat their ideas into you.

      Best of luck.
      thanks a lot.
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      • Profile picture of the author passiveincomebiz
        You have 2 choices - outsourcing or doing things yourself.
        Outsourcing will involve creating a business system that your outsource people would follow.

        I'd say $500 is a decent start is not a bad start. But I gotta go with Steven - building a long term viable internet business is going to require some sweat.
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    Hi
    I have an innovative idea for a business which has the potential for good returns. I need a business partner who is detailed and eloquent to help us get a loan in the east coast area . Have a few potential investers but they requested that i get a few business partners. Anybody intrested? prefer females or guys with business degrees
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