How much would you pay for a well written Press Release?

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I was thinking of starting a press release writing and distribution service.

I would be writing a press release, exactly the way it should be written as a news release.

I was wondering what most warriors pay for such services and how much should I be charging for such a service.

I'll be making these press releases look like they are exciting news stories.

Give me a rough range of what you'll be ready to pay if you hire a press release writer. How much would you pay for a well written press release which is distributed in 20 PR sites which will be further syndicated in more PR sites thus creating more than 1000 backlinks within a month for your website?

This is just a business idea and I am pondering over the business idea right now. I need your help. Please feel free to post ideas and suggestions.

Edit: I don't have a portfolio though I have samples to prove I am an effective press release writer.

Sample Press Release Written By Me: http://www.prlog.org/10431909-us-une...marketing.html
#pay #press #release #written
  • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
    If I wanted to hire someone to do a press release for me
    I'd first of all ask them to provide me with their track record
    to prove that they can get results.

    So, I'd want to see a client portfolio of sorts.

    Without that, I wouldn't even discuss price.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
      Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

      If I wanted to hire someone to do a press release for me
      I'd first of all ask them to provide me with their track record
      to prove that they can get results.

      So, I'd want to see a client portfolio of sorts.

      Without that, I wouldn't even discuss price.

      Dedicated to your success,

      Shaun
      Shaun,

      Thank you for your insight.

      I had made money from the sample press release I posted above.

      In fact, I made more than $500.00 just from the above press release posted.

      Note: When I distributed the press release, I put in a pen name and artificial contact details.

      Can you now tell me your thoughts?

      Thanks again for your contribution to my IM success.
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      • Profile picture of the author George Chernikov
        As suggested before, it would heavily depend on what your qualifications and experience are. E.g., do you have any professional experience as a press release writer? For instance, some of my colleagues worked in researching and writing press releases for a few multinational companies here in Geneva. Press releases was their job, and they became pretty damn good at it, as indicated by their works being picked up by relevant trade magazines (which is what a good press release is meant to accomplish).

        Bottom line is, you need to distinguish yourself from a hundred other guys out there who read the latest and greatest e-book on how you can make $39,126 writing press releases for others (with no skills required! in your sleep! and losing weight in the process!)

        Sorry to be somewhat harsh, but If I'm going to throw around $2K on PR Newswire release - and that's even before your fee - I had better make damn sure you know what you're doing. The last thing I'd want is a press release that either simply doesn't deliver or, worse still, turns into a public relations disaster.

        Remember that, with high profile press releases, it's not just a question of whether it makes you money or flops. There's the third possibility that you will end up positioning the company differently than it should be - and that's an impression that can be very hard to erase in the minds of prospective leads and clients later on.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
          Originally Posted by George Chernikov View Post

          As suggested before, it would heavily depend on what your qualifications and experience are. E.g., do you have any professional experience as a press release writer? For instance, some of my colleagues worked in researching and writing press releases for a few multinational companies here in Geneva. Press releases was their job, and they became pretty damn good at it, as indicated by their works being picked up by relevant trade magazines (which is what a good press release is meant to accomplish).

          Bottom line is, you need to distinguish yourself from a hundred other guys out there who read the latest and greatest e-book on how you can make $39,126 writing press releases for others (with no skills required! in your sleep! and losing weight in the process!)

          Sorry to be somewhat harsh, but If I'm going to throw around $2K on PR Newswire release - and that's even before your fee - I had better make damn sure you know what you're doing. The last thing I'd want is a press release that either simply doesn't deliver or, worse still, turns into a public relations disaster.

          Remember that, with high profile press releases, it's not just a question of whether it makes you money or flops. There's the third possibility that you will end up positioning the company differently than it should be - and that's an impression that can be very hard to erase in the minds of prospective leads and clients later on.
          George, did you check my sample? Can you tell me your thoughts after reading the press release written by me?

          Thanks a ton for your thoughts. It's great to know your thoughts thank you.
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          • Profile picture of the author George Chernikov
            No, I'd pay $2,000 to PR Newswire to accept and distribute my release - but before that, I'd have to pay someone to write the damn thing first
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            • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
              Originally Posted by George Chernikov View Post

              No, I'd pay $2,000 to PR Newswire to accept and distribute my release - but before that, I'd have to pay someone to write the damn thing first
              So George, how much would you be willing to pay the press release writer for a single well written press release? That's exactly what I wish to know. Give me a budget range.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          deja vu - I think the OP is repeating himself. You won't like my comments - but I think you need to read them. You are going in circles and need to get out of the loop.

          Six months ago - a thread about needing money badly was followed with the OP's plan to specialize in "writing opt in pages only". Advice from experienced writers about the problems and limitations of doing only that were met with justifications from the OP.

          Had that plan worked there would not have been another thread a few days ago about about desperately needing money. The idea to write only press releases is along the same lines as the plan to be only an "opt in page writer" six months ago.

          It didn't work then because the more you specialize, the more experience and proof of results you need. I think you are choosing certain areas of writing based on what you think that job pays. You don't want to do the lower paying articles, etc - but you can't bluff your way into becoming a high end press release writer.

          I suggest you go back and look at what you posted months ago and what you are thinking now - it's quite similar. Problem is - it's likely to bring the same results.

          kay

          Edit: To be fair, I do think you could earn money writing. However, you will need to build a reputation by doing the work and getting feedback. You can then work for higher fees and move into specializing in certain types of writing or copywriting.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            deja vu - I think the OP is repeating himself. You won't like my comments - but I think you need to read them. You are going in circles and need to get out of the loop.

            Six months ago - a thread about needing money badly was followed with the OP's plan to specialize in "writing opt in pages only". Advice from experienced writers about the problems and limitations of doing only that were met with justifications from the OP.

            Had that plan worked there would not have been another thread a few days ago about about desperately needing money. The idea to write only press releases is along the same lines as the plan to be only an "opt in page writer" six months ago.

            It didn't work then because the more you specialize, the more experience and proof of results you need. I think you are choosing certain areas of writing based on what you think that job pays. You don't want to do the lower paying articles, etc - but you can't bluff your way into becoming a high end press release writer.

            I suggest you go back and look at what you posted months ago and what you are thinking now - it's quite similar. Problem is - it's likely to bring the same results.

            kay

            Edit: To be fair, I do think you could earn money writing. However, you will need to build a reputation by doing the work and getting feedback. You can then work for higher fees and move into specializing in certain types of writing or copywriting.
            I didn't like what I read. I see you're trying to be helpful.

            I'll be blunt.

            You're discouraging me to do what I want to.

            If you can't help, please don't discourage me further.

            I can write a press release for an X amount and I don't need to be a high end press release writer. I just want to make a living. That's it. Get that clear?

            Edit: I see you are a senior warrior and I respect you.
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            • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
              Ronak,

              Kay is giving you some very valuable advice - if you
              would only LISTEN.

              If you want to specialize in writing Press Releases then
              you'll need to PROVE to clients that you can DELIVER
              results.

              If you can't do that, then you need to earn your spurs
              and that takes time.

              I also recall the thread from a while back about you wanting
              to specialize in writing squeeze pages and like Kay said,
              similar feedback was given.

              No one is trying to discourage you that I can see. Just
              offer you advice from the real world on what real clients
              expect and will ask for.

              There are no quick fixes if you want to become a highly
              paid professional.

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              • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
                Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly View Post

                Ronak,

                Kay is giving you some very valuable advice - if you
                would only LISTEN.

                If you want to specialize in writing Press Releases then
                you'll need to PROVE to clients that you can DELIVER
                results.

                If you can't do that, then you need to earn your spurs
                and that takes time.

                I also recall the thread from a while back about you wanting
                to specialize in writing squeeze pages and like Kay said,
                similar feedback was given.

                No one is trying to discourage you that I can see. Just
                offer you advice from the real world on what real clients
                expect and will ask for.

                There are no quick fixes if you want to become a highly
                paid professional.

                Dedicated to your success,

                Shaun
                I read Kay's post again and again.

                I saw her trying to be helpful and she definitely wishes me good.

                Just that she does not seem to understand my question: how much would you pay for a press release written by a press release writer like me?

                She spoke about what happened six months ago which is discouraging.

                I am fighting my way up. She needs to understand that I need to make a living.

                I was thinking of starting a press release writing and distribution service for just a measly $27 but I want to know if that price is right or I can charge some more $$$$$ like $97 per press release.
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                • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
                  Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

                  I was thinking of starting a press release writing and distribution service for just a measly $27 but I want to know if that price is right or I can charge some more $$$$$ like $97 per press release.
                  If someone like George is going to invest $2,000 to have
                  a press release distributed, do you really think he's going
                  to entrust it with people willing to do the press release at
                  $27 or $97 a time (especially if they can't prove results)?

                  In life and business, you generally get what you pay for.

                  I too read the press release in the link you provided and
                  it didn't read well at all.

                  I'm sure that you can earn some good money doing
                  something. What that activity is for you, I do not know.

                  To find your sweet spot, you need to LISTEN to feedback
                  from others and do the work to find what you're really,
                  really good at.

                  That usually takes time and a lot of soul searching.

                  Dedicated to your success,

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                  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
                    I have very few options open.

                    And I sent Kay a PM.

                    I hope she read it.

                    I need daily income.

                    I am looking forward to finding my sweet spot.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
                      I'm sorry if my bluntness discourages you but I'm being honest here - you are not going to get many takers at even $27 with the kind of writing you show in your example.

                      If this is an example of your writing style and skills, then I really think you should see if you have any other areas you could provide service in instead.

                      It's a lot more discouraging to get a bunch of clients who only order once because they are not satisfied with the results.

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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

              I didn't like what I read. I see you're trying to be helpful.

              I'll be blunt.

              You're discouraging me to do what I want to.

              If you can't help, please don't discourage me further.

              I can write a press release for an X amount and I don't need to be a high end press release writer. I just want to make a living. That's it. Get that clear?

              Edit: I see you are a senior warrior and I respect you.
              Kay isnt only a senior warrior, she's a pioneer warrior, and yes, deserves respect because she has seen it all and has vast warrior forum experience to glean wisdom from... However in the future, dont just respect people by their post count, you may come to understand that many warriors have a high post count just from selling wso's and that doesnt mean they are heavily contributing members in any other section than the wso section.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Chernikov
    Ok, having read your release:

    US Unemployment Rate Crosses 10% in Oct’ 09 Thus Growing Work From Home Jobs & Online Marketing
    This is a pretty clunky way of phrasing your headline - I had to read it twice to figure out what you're trying to say. A news reporter scanning through hundreds of headlines to pick out one story to focus on will not do that.

    Also, this immediately begets the question - what's so newsworthy about this headline that I'd want to cover it? There's just no hook of any kind to it.

    Unemployment in the United States of America is rising steadfast and has crossed the 10% mark i.e. 10.2% in October 2009 which was 6.5% in October 2008
    I don't think you can say "rising steadfast" (but I might be wrong there). Also, having just established that unemployment rose to 10%, you really don't need to specify the exact figure with the decimals. That's just redundant. Overall, I thought the sub-headline is kind of repetitive (you're not really telling me anything you haven't already said in the headline), and, by now, I'm confused what the article is going to be all about. Unemployment? Online jobs?

    Online work from home jobs requires only professional skills if necessary according to assignment(s), a computer with internet connection, effective internet surfing skills and no / little investment for the hired professional. Offline & online businesses can get high quality dedicated workforce at competitive rates by hiring on the web therefore saving costs on buying furniture, office space and insurance.
    The first sentence is poorly written and doesn't make any sense to me. What are you trying to say here? More to the point, what does any of this have to do with the unemployment rate in the United States (based on your headline and sub-headline, that's what I expect the article to be all about)?

    Basically, by now, you have had three chances to hook me as a news reporter - the headline, the sub-headline, and the first paragraph. And, frankly, you didn't. 99% of all journalists will not look past the first paragraph if it doesn't grip them (heck, most of them wouldn't get past the first headline if it doesn't look interesting).

    Offline businesses need not actively monitor work in progress on an hourly basis as freelancers have to complete and deliver work according to contract agreed. Offline businesses are now looking at gaining customers, leads and goodwill online while increasing their income from their websites. Thus, they need people who can help them do just that online. Work from home jobs and work from home businesses are increasing fast as the trend has been actively seen that recession has had a positive impact on all types of work from home online marketing businesses.
    First of all, avoid tautology - you mention "offline businesses" in the first two sentences way too close to each other. Secondly, you're still missing the point of a press release - to share something NEWSWORTHY. So where's the NEWS?

    Tom Oliver, a professional sales copywriter who works from home says: “The credit card debts are rising, mortgage payments are getting harder & increasing, the real estate value is declining, mortgage foreclosures are rising, marketing spends have decreased considerably vis-à-vis 2008, lending has slowed down, spending has been cut considerably by companies, the value of stocks within the stock market is declining, the job cuts are rising and public debt including bankruptcy is rising. Though the US economy is stated to be recovering from the recession, there is still quite a lot of time for it to recover completely as the situation is turning out into an unmanageable one.”
    I feel sorry for Tom Oliver's readers, whom, by now, must have come to dread his run-on sentences (not to mention that a professional copywriter wouldn't put a definitive article in front of "credit cards" - not in that sentence). Stylistically, the paragraph is very poorly written - and as for the content, well, I'm not sure why it's even here. We all know things suck (I realize we're working in 2009 terms, by the way) - you're not really telling me anything new here, are you?

    I'm going to stop here, but I think you get my drift - aside from grammar and sentence structure issues, the press release isn't focused. It jumps wildly from unemployment in America to how easy and cheap it is to hire online workers, to how badly things suck in America, to how REALLY badly things suck in Detroit, to StomperNet being the kind of thing that Obama meant when he went about that "hope" thing. By the way, using superlatives such as "fantastic" in describing any offering in a press release is the single fastest way of getting blacklisted by the press, because no news reporter in their right mind would work with a blatant sales pitch (which is how the release ends).

    To give you some ideas for improvement - your heading and your first paragraph should grab the attention of the journalist. And the way to do that is by making sure that the two are newsworthy in their own right.

    To answer your original "how much" question - I'm not trying to be a jackass here, but given what I wrote above, I wouldn't pay for it at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    I just bought Daniel Tan's WSO.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...w-you-how.html

    He's already sold 738 copies in 5 hours. I think this is something I can really do.

    What do you say?
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Ronak I wish you well but this does need a lot of hard work. I also thought you we're struggling for cash. When thats the case you have to make money not spend it.

      I appreciate Mr Tans product is probably great but to make 24k a month will require one heck of a lot of hard work. An enormous amount in fact. I wish you the best of luck but I'd stick to more realistic goals and let the money come in relation to the work you put in.

      Sorry, but life is not easy and thats $26 you could have spent on that hosting bill you have coming.

      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

      I just bought Daniel Tan's WSO.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...w-you-how.html

      He's already sold 738 copies in 5 hours. I think this is something I can really do.

      What do you say?
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    • Profile picture of the author Roy Penrod
      Ronak, I'm going to talk to you the same way I would one of my close personal friends.

      *puts my hand on your shoulder*

      Look, Ronak ... if you need money desperately, the last thing you should do is buy anything that doesn't keep you alive. You've got to stop spending money on internet marketing products until you can pay for them out of your profits.

      Now, if you seriously want to make some money, head over to Fiverr and offer to write some articles for $5 or build some backlinks to someone's website. Or whatever skills you have to share with others.

      If you hustle your ass off, you can make some cash. Do great work, let people know how to contact you, and you can get some repeat clients.

      After you've got your immediate needs taken care of, you can start building something for the long term.

      You ever see those threads on Warrior Forum talking about you need to focus? Well, they're true. I struggle with it, too. A lot of us do.

      But you've got to focus on just one strategy until you get it down and it's making you money. You can't do everything. You'll just spread yourself too thin.

      Good luck, Ronak.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Roy,

        Thats a wise response my friend. I think you're here for the long term and it's good to see someone giving and contributing like you are. Ronaks a great guy but what you just said is exactly whats required. Hustleing is actually taking action. I also would like 24k a month but I know it's going to take a touch longer to reach it. I do well but thats taken time and a lot, I mean a lot of hard work.

        With that attitude Roy, you will make it. (And my apologies if you already have) Ronak listen to this dude.

        Originally Posted by Roy Penrod View Post

        Ronak, I'm going to talk to you the same way I would one of my close personal friends.

        *puts my hand on your shoulder*

        Look, Ronak ... if you need money desperately, the last thing you should do is buy anything that doesn't keep you alive. You've got to stop spending money on internet marketing products until you can pay for them out of your profits.

        Now, if you seriously want to make some money, head over to Fiverr and offer to write some articles for $5 or build some backlinks to someone's website. Or whatever skills you have to share with others.

        If you hustle your ass off, you can make some cash. Do great work, let people know how to contact you, and you can get some repeat clients.

        After you've got your immediate needs taken care of, you can start building something for the long term.

        You ever see those threads on Warrior Forum talking about you need to focus? Well, they're true. I struggle with it, too. A lot of us do.

        But you've got to focus on just one strategy until you get it down and it's making you money. You can't do everything. You'll just spread yourself too thin.

        Good luck, Ronak.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        "he" is a "she" - and I just answered your PM.

        People aren't trying to hold you back or put you down - they are trying to make you see you need a track to stay on.

        He's already sold 738 copies in 5 hours. I think this is something I can really do.
        All that says is that 737 other people hope to make $24k a month (half a million a year or so).

        I agree with others here - buying more stuff isn't the answer. Since you've made the purchase - I suggest you forget everything else you've asked about here and focused entirely on the product you just bought. Follow through on it ALL THE WAY - and see what happens.

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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Kay I was totally confused by that too. I thought you were a lady but when no one mentioned it I was thinking "whys this guy got the lady as her picture, oh well, each to their own"

          Glad you put my mind to rest.

          Ronak, some kind of apologies in order here I reckon.

          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          "he" is a "she" - and I just answered your PM.

          People aren't trying to hold you back or put you down - they are trying to make you see you need a track to stay on.



          All that says is that 737 other people hope to make $24k a month (half a million a year or so).

          I agree with others here - buying more stuff isn't the answer. Since you've made the purchase - I suggest you forget everything else you've asked about here and focused entirely on the product you just bought. Follow through on it ALL THE WAY - and see what happens.

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          • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
            Kay I was totally confused by that too. I thought you were a lady but when no one mentioned it I was thinking "whys this guy got the lady as her picture, oh well"
            I'm glad to see someone else finds it odd to see a guy with a woman's picture. I spoke to someone the other day who has a female avatar here and found out they were a man. Frankly, I found that rather creepy.

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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

        How To Make A Million Dollars In One Year
        "How Brendon Burchard Made $4.6 Million In Just 24 Months"
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        Have you followed through with any of this in your signature?

        Tina
        I just want to refer back to Tina's post here for a moment. You have a huge disconnect here between your signature file and your posts on this thread (and others) where you're clearly desperate for money.

        How to make a million dollars in one year... really? How's that working out for you?

        You see what I'm saying? You can't in good conscience have a sig file like that and then run around like a chicken with your head cut off in search of ways to make money.

        There's nothing wrong with being a bit broke and needing money -- we've all been there. Just look at the stories above in this thread. But I bet when folks like tpw, John and Dana were mopping floors and slinging hash, they weren't simultaneously advertising ways to become a millionaire.

        OK, back to your regularly scheduled thread. I just had to bring Tina's comment up again since it seemed largely ignored.

        Cheers,
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        • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
          You just ignored the fact that I am promoting an affiliate program which I have not bought.

          I have not bought that program. Did you even check it and opt-in to the original newsletter from the blog?

          Half information is always dangerous. Take note before you even speak. Else, don't speak.
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          • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
            Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

            You just ignored the fact that I am promoting an affiliate program which I have not bought.

            I have not bought that program. Did you even check it and opt-in to the original newsletter from the blog?

            Half information is always dangerous. Take note before you even speak. Else, don't speak.
            Ronak, it doesn't matter if you're an affiliate. I'm talking 100% about perception. And the perception of what's going on will lead to the huge disconnect that I mentioned earlier.

            It may not feel like it here, but I'm trying to help you avoid shooting yourself in the foot, tarnishing your reputation and blasting away any credibility you may have. And the others in the thread are trying to help you in various ways, too. Really.

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            • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
              Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

              Ronak, it doesn't matter if you're an affiliate. I'm talking 100% about perception. And the perception of what's going on will lead to the huge disconnect that I mentioned earlier.

              It may not feel like it here, but I'm trying to help you avoid shooting yourself in the foot, tarnishing your reputation and blasting away any credibility you may have. And the others in the thread are trying to help you in various ways, too. Really.

              Becky
              You're typical like other copywriters on the copywriting forum. I dislike many of them because they don't know to respect other people's perception.

              You think it's not perfect does not mean it's NOT perfect. I think it's perfect.

              I am here to make money online and I think it's perfectly okay to have a signature like that because I am selling a coaching program as an affiliate. Get that clear right in your mind!

              Whatever your perception is, it does not mean I must perceive exactly the way you do.

              Richard asked me to get a job and I am thinking on those lines as well.

              I might get myself a job as an SEO. Enough of ********!

              I never ignored anything Bill. Becky just thinks she is almighty!

              If someone thinks bad about me, I really don't give a damn. Do you really care about what everyone thinks about you?

              What other people think does not matter at the end of the day, what matters MOST is what you achieve in life!
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

          OK, back to your regularly scheduled thread. I just had to bring Tina's comment up again since it seemed largely ignored.

          Becky: Everything in this thread has largely been ignored. LOL

          Ronak: SEO is not going to be your salvation. I have owned SEO websites.

          Yes the industry can pay you well, but my first SEO website was developed in Dec 04 and got its first customer in Mar 05.

          My second SEO website was launched in Mar of 08 and got its first customer in Oct 08.

          I thought you were in a hurry to make money...

          If so, SEO is not going to do it for you.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            Becky: Everything in this thread has largely been ignored. LOL

            Ronak: SEO is not going to be your salvation. I have owned SEO websites.

            Yes the industry can pay you well, but my first SEO website was developed in Dec 04 and got its first customer in Mar 05.

            My second SEO website was launched in Mar of 08 and got its first customer in Oct 08.

            I thought you were in a hurry to make money...

            If so, SEO is not going to do it for you.
            Bill,

            It does not mean I must say I quit!

            Quitters never win! And Winners never quit!

            I know it takes time to get a business setup and get clients rolling under your belt.

            I understood that very well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacqueline Smith
      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

      I just bought Daniel Tan's WSO.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...w-you-how.html

      He's already sold 738 copies in 5 hours. I think this is something I can really do.

      What do you say?
      What????? Am I the only one confused here? The OP started off wanting help with his Press Release business....then half way through he posts that he just bought a WSO on the SEO buisness.

      Did I miss something????

      If not....my advice would be to stop running in circles and stick with one thing.

      Good Luck!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I thought you were a lady
        I am female - and a lady when it suits me Kay is even my real name! I'm not as gorgeous as the avatars Michael Mayo made for me, though:p

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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Ronak, I couldn't tell you how much I'd pay you for a well-written press release. You haven't shown me one.

          You talk about wide-spread distribution to hundreds of sites, yet the sample you offered returned a whopping 7 results, and 4 of those were in the supplemental results.

          There's a difference between submitting a release and having it accepted, much less picked up and used.

          As someone else said, you aren't a bad writer. But in terms of professional standards you are not a good one, either. At least not yet.

          People here are not trying to discourage you or keep you down. If that were the truth, people would simply ignore you.

          Sometimes the light of truth is harsh and unflattering. Man up and deal with it. Quit chasing butterflies and find something you can actually do well enough to get paid for it. Writing articles for SEO is one thing, and you are good enough to command $5-$10 per. It can get grungy and boring, sure, but it can also keep the belly full and the lights on...
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I am female - and a lady when it suits me Kay is even my real name! I'm not as gorgeous as the avatars Michael Mayo made for me, though:p

          kay
          Strangest thing in the thread. Your name is Kay and your avatar is extremely feminine. Did I miss something? When or where is that a male name?
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    • Profile picture of the author Irish Intuition
      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post


      He's already sold 738 copies in 5 hours. I think this is something I can really do.

      What do you say?
      Weren't you also going to be a sales page writer?

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  • Profile picture of the author imkevintan
    Okay,
    I think I have a simple and strightforward answer to your questions, since that's what I think you're looking for here.

    For a press release like the one that you've linked in your first post, I would be ready to pay something in the neighborhood of $ 15-20.

    I don't mean to be harsh on you mate, but the language of the press release lacked a certain type of "flow".
    That makes it harder to go through such a big wall of text.

    I hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

    Sample Press Release Written By Me: US Unemployment Rate Crosses 10% in Oct
    You keep asking people for a review of your press release...

    I followed your link and read what was there...

    If you change the name of this thread from Press Releases to SEO Articles, then you might get somewhere...

    For the sake of SEO, it does the job.

    For the sake of an Article, it leaves a lot to be desired. Yes you made money with it, but you could have make more money with it if you did a better job with it.

    For the sake of a Press Release, you call that a press release?

    LOL

    SEO article writers generally get $5-$10 an article.

    Real article writers get $100 to $2000 an article.

    Great press release writers get $300 to $2000 per press release.

    I will give you five bucks for what you wrote...

    Would that be fair?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
    I agree with TPW. A good press release is easily worth hundreds or thousands of dollars. What you seem to be offering is a discount press release service for Warriors. That's how you would have to market it at least.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Reading through the entire thread I'm almost scared of replying, because I'll be told I'm being "discouraging" ... so on that subject I'm just going to say that I think there's a lot of very good advice above.

      I mean this helpfully, not impolitely: as far as well-paid, professionally-written press-releases go, at the moment you're not a contender. But there's another sort of "press release" written for less upmarket marketers to submit to "press release sites" where they can post it free in the hope of it serving some similar functions to an article-directory article. There may be a market there in which you can solicit some customers, but those are customers who don't expect to pay a whole lot more for what they mean by "a press release" than they pay for an article, I'm afraid.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Reading through the entire thread I'm almost scared of replying, because I'll be told I'm being "discouraging" ... so on that subject I'm just going to say that I think there's a lot of very good advice above.

        I mean this helpfully, not impolitely: as far as well-paid, professionally-written press-releases go, at the moment you're not a contender. But there's another sort of "press release" written for less upmarket marketers to submit to "press release sites" where they can post it free in the hope of it serving some similar functions to an article-directory article. There may be a market there in which you can solicit some customers, but those are customers who don't expect to pay a whole lot more for what they mean by "a press release" than they pay for an article, I'm afraid.
        I've never seen you type so timidly before, sheesh.

        Regardless, she's right - you're not a bad writer by any means. The standards for proper press releases reach into the realms of copywriters though - which most people can't pull off.

        The payment for what Alexa mentioned can still be substantially higher than an article though. I'd happily pay $20 for a 500-word press-release that was SEO'd by someone at your caliber, but I wouldn't pay over $10 for an equivalent article, more than likely.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Ah yes... SEO... The last refuge for the person who does not know how to offer others real value...
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        • Profile picture of the author theultimate1
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          Ah yes... SEO... The last refuge for the person who does not know how to offer others real value...
          maybe I'll share the concept of "scope for improvement" with him...
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Not to be mean, but some people need to be discouraged...

    Is it better for us to tell him that he is not ready for the big leagues, OR for us to lie to him, tell him what he wants to hear, then watch him spend his time and resources building a business that is doomed to fail for him?

    Personally, I think it is better for him to hurt today, than to go half-cocked into a business that will consume his time and money, and still fail...

    Dude... Here is a Blue Pill and a Red Pill...

    Blue Pill - You will do very well as a press release writer. You can easily charge up to $500 to write press releases for folks. This will enable you to make a comfortable living, with very little work requirement from you. You have stumbled into a real possibility to quickly and easily acquire the Internet Lifestyle. My hat is off to you.

    Red Pill - Your skills as a writer leave quite a bit to be desired. If you want to break into the Press Release market, then it would be very helpful to you to understand what a Press Release is and why people will pay so much money to have one written for them. By the end of the first paragraph, I understood that you really did not understand the purpose of a press release, let alone have the ability to do it. The only way that you are going to be able to get to the point of being able to charge significant rates for your writing skills will be for you to learn how to create content people want to read, and therefore, content people are willing to pay good money to purchase. You cannot learn these things overnight, but you may be able to learn it through a solid commitment to your customers and a dedicated effort to improve your skills.


    You have a choice:

    This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back.

    You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe.

    You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Reading through the entire thread I'm almost scared of replying, because I'll be told I'm being "discouraging" ... so on that subject I'm just going to say that I think there's a lot of very good advice above.

      I mean this helpfully, not impolitely: as far as well-paid, professionally-written press-releases go, at the moment you're not a contender.
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Not to be mean, but some people need to be discouraged...

      Is it better for us to tell him that he is not ready for the big leagues, OR for us to lie to him, tell him what he wants to hear, then watch him spend his time and resources building a business that is doomed to fail for him?
      I don't think you need to worry. Looks like he's already thrown in the towel on writing press releases:

      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

      I just bought Daniel Tan's WSO.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...w-you-how.html

      He's already sold 738 copies in 5 hours. I think this is something I can really do.

      What do you say?
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    • Profile picture of the author marketguy
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Not to be mean, but some people need to be discouraged...

      Is it better for us to tell him that he is not ready for the big leagues, OR for us to lie to him, tell him what he wants to hear, then watch him spend his time and resources building a business that is doomed to fail for him?

      Personally, I think it is better for him to hurt today, than to go half-cocked into a business that will consume his time and money, and still fail...

      Dude... Here is a Blue Pill and a Red Pill...

      Blue Pill - You will do very well as a press release writer. You can easily charge up to $500 to write press releases for folks. This will enable you to make a comfortable living, with very little work requirement from you. You have stumbled into a real possibility to quickly and easily acquire the Internet Lifestyle. My hat is off to you.

      Red Pill - Your skills as a writer leave quite a bit to be desired. If you want to break into the Press Release market, then it would be very helpful to you to understand what a Press Release is and why people will pay so much money to have one written for them. By the end of the first paragraph, I understood that you really did not understand the purpose of a press release, let alone have the ability to do it. The only way that you are going to be able to get to the point of being able to charge significant rates for your writing skills will be for you to learn how to create content people want to read, and therefore, content people are willing to pay good money to purchase. You cannot learn these things overnight, but you may be able to learn it through a solid commitment to your customers and a dedicated effort to improve your skills.


      You have a choice:
      Great post!

      The only thing i will add is:

      "There is no spoon"
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Honestly, you're not understanding the situation properly. I think you don't know the inside story which I just told you right now the $1000 as commissions!!!
        There are some excellent pieces of advice in this thread - though it looks like the OP got a time out to cool off.

        I hope other newer marketers will "get it" from this thread. Looking for a product to promote because the commission is $1000 is fine if you know how to promote and get sales. Whether the commission is $20 or $1000 - if you can't sell the product, your cut is $0.

        In the end, I think part of the disconnect in this thread is the difference between a young person who is not dependent on his earnings for daily survival - and more experienced (I refuse to say 'older') marketers who know in the real world if you don't earn you end up homeless and hungry.

        Big dreams are easy - big success not so much.

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  • Profile picture of the author charlesburke
    Ronak,

    Dude, if you're going to specialize in press releases, start by writing ten of them for yourself and your own service. Send 'em out. Stir up interest with 'em. Attract some prospective customers with your own press releases, and you'll be automatically demonstrating that your service packs a punch.

    On the other hand, if you don't figure your own press releases would attract any customers for you, then take that as a sign that they wouldn't work for anybody else either. In that case, trying to charge money for services that you don't believe in would be worse than selling poor quality - it'd be a conscious swindle.

    So just go prove you can do the job for yourself first, then come back in here and rub everybody's noses in it.

    Look at it this way - several voices of experience have just tried, each in his or her own way, to tell you that you shouldn't even bother starting anything until you have the courage of your own convictions. And an appropriate skill level. Just throwing something up against the wall to see if it'll stick is not a strong business plan.

    Once you've got even a small dose of that self belief, then take action. Massive action. Continue learning as you go, and see just how far you can drive this new project of yours. But of course, it's going to take some genuine enthusiasm, grit and self belief.

    And as with starting any new project, you won't have any guarantees up front. But listen to the priceless advice these experienced Warriors have been kind enough to give, and you'll maximize your chances.

    So stand up straight, take on board the advice they've offered, and if you honestly believe you've got what it takes, then take a chance on yourself. Just be sure you do that before you ask others to gamble on you.

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  • Profile picture of the author Randy Daugherty
    I think the rate depends on the writer you get...Better to get a not so expensive writer but can write quality press release...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    I'd be man enough to take criticism and say, yes I am not an expert press release writer.

    I know I am a good writer in the sense that there is scope for improvement.

    What I was thinking was to launch a press release service in conjunction with Daniel Tan's Backlink Syndication System which gets you more than 1000+ backlinks in a month from 1 press release. And I was pondering over the price.

    What I just discovered is $27 - $37 is the right price as it will also include distribution to 20 PR sites.

    After all, I will keep learning how to write a quality press release in order to have my daily bread and butter.

    I need some $500 urgently and I will have to do something to get started.

    About that WSO I just bought, if I don't get a SEO client in 20 days after learning from Daniel's WSO I might just ask for a refund. I just read reviews of that WSO and people say it's not his best work and people say it's kinda fluff.

    I was also thinking of article writing but writing $5 articles is not something I like to do even to fill my stomach. See my articles here: Traffic Voodoo Reviews | Traffic Voodoo Bonuses | Traffic Launcher Formula and tell me what you think about them. Are they $5 articles in anyway? or they're worth at least $12-$25 each.... think again...

    I have written and sold articles of 500 words for $25 each before and I tried hard to get such clients. But I haven't found such clients before so I stopped writing articles. The norm is a minimum of 5c per word. I would certainly love to get paid $25 per article of 500 words. I can certainly deliver good articles.

    All I say.. I can't throw in the towel for press release writing unless I have daily active income out of which I can use some of it to promote affiliate programs by outsourcing all the work.

    The sample press release I posted above made me more $600+ so that speaks volumes that I am not a bad press release writer at all. Making money with that single press release has tempted me to learn the art of writing QUALITY press releases.

    You all have been family to me on this thread and it's SO nice of you all to chip in your thoughts. Thank you so much... Awesome..

    Chip in your thoughts FAMILY! Ready to learn more.....
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    • Profile picture of the author cindybidar
      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

      The sample press release I posted above made me more $600+ so that speaks volumes that I am not a bad press release writer at all. Making money with that single press release has tempted me to learn the art of writing QUALITY press releases.
      Maybe I'm missing something, but if that press release made $600 for you, then why are you here asking if others will pay you $27 to write a press release? Seems like a better solution to your problem would be to write more press releases for yourself.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I have written and sold articles of 500 words for $25 each before and I tried hard to get such clients. But I haven't found such clients before so I stopped writing articles. The norm is a minimum of 5c per word. I would certainly love to get paid $25 per article of 500 words. I can certainly deliver good articles.
        If your articles are worth $25 each, there are customers who will pay that again and again. If you can't find the clients - perhaps your articles aren't that good.

        You went halfway through this thread asking about press releases and then mentioned buying Tan's product - but now it seems that was the point to begin with.

        Your last post seems to turn this into a promotion for a service you want to offer - not a good move if that is the goal.

        Chip in your thoughts FAMILY! Ready to learn more.....
        Suggest you follow your plan and see how it goes. As $24k a month seems to be the promise, $500 shouldn't be any problem for you.

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        • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          If your articles are worth $25 each, there are customers who will pay that again and again. If you can't find the clients - perhaps your articles aren't that good.

          You went halfway through this thread asking about press releases and then mentioned buying Tan's product - but now it seems that was the point to begin with.

          Your last post seems to turn this into a promotion for a service you want to offer - not a good move if that is the goal.



          Suggest you follow your plan and see how it goes. As $24k a month seems to be the promise, $500 shouldn't be any problem for you.

          kay
          There is no problem with my article writing skills. The problem is I don't really know how to get such clients.

          I never meant promotion of my service anyway.

          I just wrote from my heart what I felt.

          It sounds as if $27 or even $37 won't be a problem for people to pay me especially if I am going to get them 1000+ backlinks with my press release service. A couple of people said they would be willing to pay $20 for such a press release. That's all I wanted to know from this thread. I did want to know if I could charge more money but that seems a little too distant. Once I get better at writing press releases, I might be able to charge $97 or even $197 per press release.

          I need some $500 by 20th December, 2010. I just hope I meet my goal.

          BTW, I can do both at the same time -

          1) Write and submit press releases to build backlinks for clients.
          2) Start an SEO business.

          Another idea, I could write articles for warriors here and other IM'rs which could be submitted to ezinearticles once I build up my ezine articles portfolio.

          Kay, thank you so much for your contribution.
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          • Profile picture of the author ladida
            You seem like someone that has a true desire to succeed... at something. That's a great place to start. I'm sure you'll be successful eventually. You do need to consider a few things first, however.

            Right now I think you're clouded by your desperation (your wording, not mine) for money. It's understandable. Please keep in mind, however, that reality can be your best friend or it can be a formidable foe if you choose to stand in opposition of it. All the advice and information given here so far is GOOD for you. It may be hard to hear but if you are to become a successful writer at some point, this is what you NEED to hear. Why? These are the issues with your writing YOU WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS before anyone worth their weight in salt will call you a professional writer.

            This leads me to a larger point... Do you want to be a writer or are you simply looking to make money? If you want to be a writer then you need to hone your craft. Can you write? Yes. But - in reality - if you can string together complete English sentences, you can write... in English. Are you a good writer? I'd have to say no (sorry). It's very evident that you have not studied writing as a craft. VERY EVIDENT. That's fine. Just don't delude yourself in thinking you're something you're not. The positive side of this is that even though you're not a professional writer, you do like to write (enough to to want to sell your writing anyway). This in itself is an asset as most people hate writing. They'll pay you to do what they can do but would rather not. You'll make peanuts compared to a professional writer, however.

            By the way, the reason for all this feedback has a lot to do with the title of this thread:
            "How much would you pay for a well written Press Release?"
            Many people would pay a lot for a well-written press release but would not pay a lot for you to write one for them, if they would pay you at all.

            I'm not trying to be mean here. People go to school for years and years to learn how to be a good/great writer. The fact that you don't write as well and therefore cannot command the money they do makes sense.

            Take it for what it is.
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          • Profile picture of the author Roy Penrod
            Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

            There is no problem with my article writing skills. The problem is I don't really know how to get such clients.
            Well, you've got a few limitations in place right now (no money) so you can't go the route of working through a freelancer marketplace like Elance.

            And you can't afford the price of a WSO or Warrior For Hire post.

            So I think you've really got two strategies you can use:

            (1) Offer your services through Fiverr. You'll get paid $4 for each article (Fiverr gets $1). Use it to build up a list of repeat clients.

            (2) Change your signature here on the forum so that people know you're offering your writing services. And make sure you include a link to a sample article so they can see the quality of your writing.

            Just focus on those two things until you get out of your financial crisis and get your feet back under you. Then you can think about expanding your services, possibly raise prices, and move into other markeplaces.

            Just remember ... you need to build relationships as you go and deliver quality work. Do that and you'll start getting repeat business.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
              I have $25 right now in my paypal.

              I can launch a WSO. Should I go for it Roy?

              if yes, should I go for launching the press release service or should I go for article writing services?

              I want more money for my time and press releases seem to be ideal that way.

              What do you say Roy?
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              • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
                Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

                I have $25 right now in my paypal.

                I can launch a WSO.
                Not if you only have $25 -- WSOs are $40.

                BTW, You've been given a lot of advice in this thread... and mainly you only seem to want to listen to the advice that you like. Everything else you consider discouraging.


                My advice? Re-read the thread again. Put your ego aside, if need be. Listen -- really listen -- to what people are telling you.


                Should I go for it Roy?
                Stop putting the responsibility for your own decisions on Roy. You've been given more than enough advice to make this decision for yourself. It's up to you now, not Roy... and not anyone else in this thread.

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                • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
                  Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

                  Not if you only have $25 -- WSOs are $40.

                  BTW, You've been given a lot of advice in this thread... and mainly you only seem to want to listen to the advice that you like. Everything else you consider discouraging.


                  My advice? Re-read the thread again. Put your ego aside, if need be. Listen -- really listen -- to what people are telling you.




                  Stop putting the responsibility for your own decisions on Roy. You've been given more than enough advice to make this decision for yourself. It's up to you now, not Roy... and not anyone else in this thread.

                  Becky
                  A WSO is $20 and $20 is for using warrior plus.

                  If you don't use warrior plus, you just have to pay $20. Am I right?
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                  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
                    Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

                    A WSO is $20 and $20 is using warrior plus.

                    If you don't use warrior plus, you just have to pay $20. Am I right?
                    Nope. Posting or bumping your WSO is $40 (Warrior Plus is extra, but I'm not familiar with their pricing). Check the rules.

                    Cheers,
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                    • Profile picture of the author Roy Penrod
                      I already gave you my opinion when you sent me a PM, Ronak. You know where I stand on it.

                      My rule of thumb is simple ... don't spend money you can't afford to lose. You want something? Earn the money for it first.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
                        Originally Posted by Roy Penrod View Post

                        I already gave you my opinion when you sent me a PM, Ronak. You know where I stand on it.

                        My rule of thumb is simple ... don't spend money you can't afford to lose. You want something? Earn the money for it first.
                        Hear, hear. When you are an entrepreneur trying to launch a new business, you can't afford to spend money speculatively in the hope that you'll buy a book which gives you the magic formula to get rich, or even earn a living without having to go work for an offline business.

                        Frankly - anything that you would find out by buying a WSO, you can also find out by asking the question right here in the main forum - IF you are willing to listen to the answer.

                        You asked how much people would pay for a press release and you got the answer. Right now, your press releases will not fetch that much money because they are not well written and you don't have the background credentials that serious PR customers are looking for.

                        Frankly - your best bet might be to look for a regular, non internet job and do that for a little while, and use some of the money to pay bills and some of it to invest in internet marketing efforts. I mean, even if you have to wash dishes, scrub floors, empty trash, pick up trash, work an overnight shift, whatever...if you're broke, then this is not the time to be picky. Many years ago I had just about every menial job that you could think of. I've waitressed, I've been a Certified Nurse's Aide, I've been a receptionist - if I needed money, I'd work at whatever job I could get until my financial circumstances were better and until I could find a better job.

                        Obviously getting a regular 9 to 5 job doesn't mean you have to give up on the IM dream - you can always do that on the side. But if you are broke, don't spend your last $25 on an IM product that might or might not work out for you, and don't spend $40 on a WSO that no-one might purchase.

                        I have had wildly successful WSOs - and a couple of spectacular failures. As in, NO-ONE bought what I was offering. It can happen. Can you spare that $40 at this point?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                          Originally Posted by Dana_W View Post

                          I have had wildly successful WSOs - and a couple of spectacular failures. As in, NO-ONE bought what I was offering. It can happen. Can you spare that $40 at this point?
                          You seem to be jumpimg around still Ronak. I think article marketing is a better bet for you than attempting PR's. Releasing your services as a WSO may not be the answer either.

                          The main problem here is that you need money badly but are not prepared to do whats necessary for it. If I offered you $10 for an article now would you do that? If I was "desperate" I'd bite your arm off for it. The fact is if you need money you will do whatever it takes (within reason) to get it. I've never seen so much good advice here and a vast majority are telling you the same thing.

                          Can you just tell me why getting a job is not an option? You can still do the IM. Is there a deeper reason for it? Do you feel like you'd have failed? Do you have a point to prove? etc etc.

                          There's nothing wrong with that but I just want to understand why you're desperate but not prepared to do what most other people have to do, to get out of a situation like yours.
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                  • Profile picture of the author tpw
                    Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

                    A WSO is $20 and $20 is for using warrior plus.

                    If you don't use warrior plus, you just have to pay $20. Am I right?

                    Pricing has changed on WSO's... $40 for WSO and $20 for Warrior Plus...

                    And at the end of the day, you are still looking for the quick buck...

                    My friend, chasing the dollars is something that will lead to misery...

                    People who buy from you want to receive an equitable value for the money they have given you...

                    Focus on value, and the money will follow...

                    Focus on the money, and people will avoid hiring you as if you were a carrier of the plague...
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                    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                      Ronak...

                      If you really believe this latest WSO's system will lead you to the promised land with a press release service, in spite of the critiques you've gotten, it's time to **** or get off the pot.

                      Here are the facts:

                      > You need money. Desperately, according to your other thread.

                      > You submitted a sub-par press release almost two years ago that made you a few dollars, and after all that time is only indexed on 7 sites.

                      > You want to start a press release service, with the objective of gaining backlinks for clients.

                      Why not call a spade a spade, and call it a backlinking service?

                      People may not be willing to pay what you want for a real press release, but others may be willing to pay your rate for 1,000 backlinks - if you can deliver.

                      Pick a site. Run it through your system. See if the system performs. If it does, put the pedal to the metal and get after it. If it doesn't, don't try to learn on someone else's dime. They may be just as desperate as you are.

                      In the meantime, quit looking down your nose at honest work and make what you have to to keep going. That, in many eyes, is more honorable than starving rather than doing something "beneath you".

                      Dana told you her story. Here's mine...

                      In order to meet my obligations, I have

                      - flipped burgers
                      - unloaded box cars by hand
                      - scraped tar off of factory floors
                      - done mindless clerical work for a personality testing lab
                      - counted physical inventory for countless stores
                      - worked in a call center, both inbound and outbound

                      These things all have a few things in common.

                      > I did my damnedest to give my employer his money's worth.
                      > I couldn't wait to quit.
                      > The money I earned let me pay my bills while I worked toward something better.
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                      • Profile picture of the author tpw
                        John and Dana told you their story. Here's mine...

                        In order to meet my obligations, I have

                        - waited tables
                        - washed dishes
                        - short-order cook
                        - mowed lawns (even though I am allergic to cut grass)
                        - worked in a convenience store (where I was assaulted twice)
                        - roofed houses
                        - stood in a Twinkie suit and waved at passing cars
                        - dug into fire ant infested holes to repair broken water pipes
                        - moved mobile homes
                        - golf ball picker-upper at a golfing range
                        - sewage line repair

                        These things all have a few things in common.

                        > I did my damnedest to give my employer his money's worth.
                        > I couldn't wait to quit.
                        > The money I earned let me pay my bills while I worked toward something better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    I personally charge $150 to write a press release, but I have the credentials that people mention in this thread; I was a newspaper reporter for 17 years, and I've read countless press releases, and I know what works in a press release and what doesn't.

    The press release linked to by the OP was not well-written, I'm sorry to say.

    A press release is different from an article on an article marketing site. It is a piece of writing which represents a company or a person or a product to the world; if the press release is of poor quality, it tells everyone that your company is so low budget that you can't even afford a quality press release. It's like having misspelled words on a billboard for your company, right next to a huge freeway where all of your customers are driving.

    So in my opinion, a press release is either worth zero - because it's badly written and can actually harm your company's reputation - or it's worth at least $100 or more, because it is a professional, well written advertisement for your company.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gerald Arno
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    I´d check you out first, and see
    where you are at, plus how much
    experience you´re bringing to the
    table.

    It really depends on the quality of
    the content and they time frame...

    Best Regards,

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    I would pay $400 for a really well written press release with the right keywords.
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    no more then $5
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    I'd to have a website for starting an SEO business.

    I just took a domain name for just $1.18.

    Godaddy is giving me a 5 page website free for two months.

    1 SEO client can pay me $500 for sure if I am able to get him/her the results (VALUE).
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Tpw, John and Dana all just gave you the best advice they had. They all had to be humble and do crap jobs to get anywhere. I'm not even going to get into what I've done or where I've been before I arrived at today, suffice to say it wasn't pleasant.

      Setting up an SEO business is great but you need to put everything into it and if you're desperate for money and after a month this doesn't work you'll be where you are today. I asked you earlier, what is it about getting a job, which incidentally would get you out of this mess and still allow you time to do your seo business, thats such a problem? I can't see why you've gone from PR'S to articles to backlinking to SEO but will not entertain getting any old job to put food on your plate in the meantime. To me you either have a mental block over getting a job, some other reason you won't share or you simply are not desperate and are actually ok. It doesn't make sense. If you're desperate to put food on your plate why are you doing some thing with no gaurantee of pay in favour of something like a job that will pay? Whats wrong with working for 2/3 months and doing your own stuff around it?

      I'm not trying to be awkward but from someone thats been as low as it gets I just don't get it.

      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

      I'd to have a website for starting an SEO business.

      I just took a domain name for just $1.18.

      Godaddy is giving me a 5 page website free for two months.
      [EDIT] You got that post up before I could finish mine. I'd pay you $10 now for an article but I'm not in the IM niche. Why not write an article for Bill, John and Dana and see what they say, let them critique it and learn from them. Or, again, if it's bread and butter you need, research and write an article for me on what I need an article written about?
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        [EDIT] You got that post up before I could finish mine. I'd pay you $10 now for an article but I'm not in the IM niche. Why not write an article for Bill, John and Dana and see what they say, let them critique it and learn from them. Or, again, if it's bread and butter you need, research and write an article for me on what I need an article written about?
        I can't speak for the others, but I did indeed get a PM from young Mr. Shah.

        He told me he would be delighted to write an IM article for me - for $10...
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          I can't speak for the others, but I did indeed get a PM from young Mr. Shah.

          He told me he would be delighted to write an IM article for me - for $10...
          I did get the PM as well... I told him no.



          Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

          I am gonna get myself a full-time job as an SEO anyway.

          Good luck on that SEO thing. I would not hire you for SEO!!

          You got #3 once on one keyword? I never started doing SEO for pay, until I was sure I could deliver multiple page one rankings for most of my clients.

          That is the real difference between you and I.

          I care enough about my clients to make sure that I can provide them real value for their money. You are happy if you can convince them to send you money.

          I had honed my skills in global SEO to deliver hundreds of page one search results for pages I worked, before I asked for anyone to pay me for that work.

          When I was learning local SEO, I made a list of local business owners I know and tried to rank them, without even telling them what I was doing.

          I never did tell them how they started getting all of that Google Local traffic, and I know one of them decided to invest in a website after so many people came to their business "after seeing them in Google".

          You would have sent them a bill for SEO before doing the work, and you can not even be reasonably sure that you can accomplish the stated goals.

          I can be reasonably sure, because I have done the testing.

          You are looking at SEO with big dollar signs in your eyes and no concern for whether you are talented enough to deliver tangible results to the people who have given you money for SEO.

          I look at SEO as a long-term business with the potential of repeat business over several years.

          We are definitely different kinds of people.


          Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

          I also learnt that people in this forum don't respect other people as they're.

          I am off from this thread posting for the last time because I am really angry at Bill abusing me which is ridiculous. Bill, go look your self in the mirror first.. you'll find you're a human being and so am I. I may have ADHD and I will get a diagnosis done for myself because I am heavily loaded with information on how to make money online.

          Lastly, I have made money when I took proper action. When I have left some project incomplete, I have not made any money.

          I had this conversation with another "arrogant fool" last night.

          The two of you have something in common. The two of you seem to believe that you are "entitled" to respect from me and others.

          Obama believes in entitlements, I do not.

          If you want my respect, you will have to earn my respect!!

          I don't give a hoot that you gave me an infraction for calling you an arrogant fool, because clearly you are.

          I will wear my infraction with pride.

          You are too "arrogant" to do the right thing, and you are too "foolish" to listen to people who are advising you to build a sustainable business model -- one that focuses on your strengths, avoids your weaknesses, and allows you to give real value to others.

          If you don't want the advice of other people, don't ask for it!!

          And stop making excuses for yourself... Do you think your bill collectors are going to accept your excuses? They won't, and we don't.


          Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

          If I going to make a mistake, let it all happen. I learnt from my past mistakes and I will learn from my present mistakes. Experience is the biggest teacher.
          I somehow doubt that you will learn from your mistakes! Shoot, you are not even learning from the mistakes you are making in this thread.

          You are taking pot shots at people who are offering you honest critique and support.

          You may not like their version of support, but clearly people are giving good advice to help you get on the right track with your online business.



          We don't expect you to take anyone's advice as "the advice" to listen to. But we do expect you to take the advice on whole, and use it to adjust your thinking into a manner that will help you find real success.

          You are choosing not to do that, and therefore, you keep wasting our time.

          You have not been swayed by anyone's advice in this thread... Because you are foolish enough to look a gift horse in its mouth.

          Every post you make in this thread, you show us the fool you really desire to be.

          You want people to pat you on the back and to tell you that you are doing the right thing... We see failure in your current business plan... Your business plan needs adjustment, or it will fail.

          So listen to our advice and make adjustments...

          Or ignore us and get to work, building your vision of your long-term success...

          And six months from now, when you fail, don't come whining to us about how we hampered your success...
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        • Profile picture of the author Oxbloom
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          I can't speak for the others, but I did indeed get a PM from young Mr. Shah.

          He told me he would be delighted to write an IM article for me - for $10...
          Hi Ronak.

          I'm quoting Mr. McCabe here (and I hope it's okay with him!) because I've been in your shoes.

          What I would have done was look through posts asking questions very much like yours.

          "I'm desperate."
          "How much would you pay if I..."
          "Need $1000 by the first of the month, or I'm out on my arse!!!"

          I'd be looking here because these posts invariably have good-hearted warriors saying things like, "Well, I could use some articles, if that's the sort of thing you do..."

          Then, even though I wasn't the one who started the thread, I'd have PM'd those kind souls. I would have said to them that I'm breaking into the I.M. world myself, and fancy myself a content writer.

          I'd have said that I'd appreciate the opportunity to do one article for them, gratis. And if they liked my style, I'd be more than happy to do others for what I'm hoping to establish as my regular rate. Say, $20 to start. Any interest?

          Who's going to turn down free stuff? Then, bust my buttocks to put together the most interesting & compelling 500 words I possibly could on the topic du jour. Write so that they'd have to be complete numbskulls not to notice that what I was writing would be a bargain at $50 a pop...even though I'm only asking $20.

          If they hated it? Well, at least I've got my first sample for my blog/squidoo lens/whatever. If they liked it -- and they probably will, because I've gone the extra mile to make sure they've been given some truly industrial-strength prose -- then I can probably expect an order in that $20/piece range coming my way ASAP.

          Get a few done, ask for a testimonial or two, not-so-subtly suggest they tell their friends, and voila -- you're a hundred dollar a day freelancer. No muss, no fuss.

          I wish you luck mate. I know The Confusion fogs us all when we start. Shake it off, and the way becomes clear. Doesn't even matter which path you choose. You can get where you want to go easily in any number of ways by just clearing your vision, then setting one foot in front of the next.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Oxbloom View Post

            If they liked it -- and they probably will, because I've gone the extra mile to make sure they've been given some truly industrial-strength prose -- then I can probably expect an order in that $20/piece range coming my way ASAP.

            More awesome advice, which will promptly be shot down by the OP. LOL

            It worked for you, because YOU actually did go the extra mile...

            If Ronak put in the energy to go the extra mile for his clients, instead of putting the extra miles in an effort to diminish his critics, then he would be in good shape.



            It reminds me of a couple that lived above me when I lived in Florida.

            Every night, the husband and wife worked together like a well-oiled machine, in an effort to drain my gas tank to fill theirs.

            They would wait until they thought everyone was asleep. She would get in the car and back out of the driveway, hitting our window with the headlights. She would sit there for a couple minutes looking for activity.

            When she did not see activity from our apartment, she would completely back out of the driveway, and flip her brights to let him know the coast was clear.

            We lived in a four-plex on a back-country road. Their apartment had access to the roof through a hatch... (This is actually important to the story.)

            Because it was an old building with wooden steps, we could hear people as they went down the stairs, but we would never hear him coming down stairs.

            He was going out the roof hatch, and climbing down an extension ladder at the back of the building.

            Confident that he was safe, he would sneak around the house, open my gas tank, and start siphoning...

            Of course, we were sitting quietly in the dark apartment watching the festivities...

            As he started sucking the gas, I reached up and opened the front door and let my chow dog go to town...

            The dog ran out the door growling, he screamed like a girl, and he ran - managing barely to outrun the dog up his steps into his apartment.

            It was pure joy.

            I put his gas can and siphon in the trunk of my car, and brought those shenanigans to a conclusion, but not before he drained my gas tank twice before.

            We knew who, but not how, until that fateful night where we played dead and watched quietly.

            If those two had put their teamwork to action doing something positive with their lives, they would never have needed to play their games with me and my most favorite chow dog.
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    I am always pay only 300$ to 350$ ..........
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Godaddy is giving me a 5 page website free for two months.

      1 SEO client can pay me $500 for sure if I am able to get him/her the results (VALUE).
      ....and the saga continues.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        ....and the saga continues.
        Well Kay, you say I must not write press releases. Okay cool.

        Well then I must do something to earn my daily bread.

        SEO is something I have learnt and can learn fast.

        SEO is something I can do for myself and my prospects.

        how has it become a saga?

        I need my daily bread, really. Looks like you'll say next, I must not do IM.

        I got an autoresponder, blogs, tools like Market Samurai, domain names. I got everything you need to do IM.

        Just that I am left with no money that I can outsource some of my work to others and get some income.

        I will have to open a WSO someday.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

          I got an autoresponder, blogs, tools like Market Samurai, domain names. I got everything you need to do IM.

          Hi Ronak. IM is short for Internet marketing. You don't have anything to market because you haven't decided on anything. All you have done is bought into the tools IM market that makes others rich. You don't have everything you need for IM. Not even close. Here my suggestion

          Turn off the computer.

          Go to you local library and read up some on offline business. Why? Because frankly the make money online niche often takes people on a fantasy ride that because its online all you need is the magic niche, the magic tools or the magic PDf that makes you $24,000 per month.

          You've been bit friend. Now you need to detox your mind and figure out how real business is done by choosing a product or service, having a marketing plan and providing great service that leads to bigger and better things as your reputation in that area grows.

          You can increase yoru financial assets easily. Stop buying the make money easily online fantasy part of IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    I think $1 - $3 per 100 words is adequate more if you are submitting the press releases for approval
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    • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
      Originally Posted by dagaul101 View Post

      I think $1 - $3 per 100 words is adequate more if you are submitting the press releases for approval
      that was the biggest joke of the day
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    Ronak, you're being rude to Becky for no reason. And I one hundred percent agree with her about your signature. It is flat out wrong to promote a product if it doesn't work, doesn't perform as promised, etc. - and if this product could really help you make a million dollars a year, you wouldn't be here trying to figure out how to make $500 in the next month. You are trying to convince people to part with their hard earned dollars for something that YOU don't believe in - because if you believed this product worked, you would scrape together the money to buy it yourself and you'd be a millionaire.

    And on this forum, people tend to distrust anyone who has "Here's The Secret To Making Money!" in their signature when the person then starts links about how they desperately need to earn money. How can you not see the contradiction in what you're doing?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
      Originally Posted by Dana_W View Post

      Ronak, you're being rude to Becky for no reason. And I one hundred percent agree with her about your signature. It is flat out wrong to promote a product if it doesn't work, doesn't perform as promised, etc. - and if this product could really help you make a million dollars a year, you wouldn't be here trying to figure out how to make $500 in the next month. You are trying to convince people to part with their hard earned dollars for something that YOU don't believe in - because if you believed this product worked, you would scrape together the money to buy it yourself and you'd be a millionaire.

      And on this forum, people tend to distrust anyone who has "Here's The Secret To Making Money!" in their signature when the person then starts links about how they desperately need to earn money. How can you not see the contradiction in what you're doing?
      I never purchased the product in anyway, how it's going to work for me?

      I am just promoting the product. I don't have a copy of the product. How it's gonna work for me when I don't have it?

      Now you might say, then I must not promote it which is exactly you and Becky say! Why shouldn't I promote it? It's a $2000 product with $1000 in commissions per sale.

      Honestly, you're not understanding the situation properly. I think you don't know the inside story which I just told you right now the $1000 as commissions!!!

      Don't expect me to buy that product LOL.. you're driving me MAD get that clear now! I am screaming and you're giving me a hard time explaining things that you need to know clearly.

      Give me a break please.

      And I don;t need to purchase every product I am promoting in my signature through a blog of my own. There is no damn rule that says I must buy that product before promoting it!

      I am using the keywords to rank the blog higher in the SE, what's wrong with it?
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    It's $2000? Do you really think I'm going to spend $2000 on the recommendation of a guy who hasn't used it? I promise you I won't, and neither will anyone else. You need to get out of your head, where this is perfectly acceptable, and instead get inside your customer's head, where this won't fly.

    Look, I realize that the lure of that one big payout is probably what keeps you promoting that item, but if you promoted smaller priced items that you actually do use (like all those tools you bought, maybe?), you'd probably have made some sales by now, don't you think? What's the affiliate percentage on Market Samurai? $50? Sell ten of them (and really, for a program everyone loves as much as that, how hard would it be?) and you've got your $500.
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  • Profile picture of the author J. Barry Mandel
    Hi Ron,


    I don't want to repeat what everyone has previously said here, but the bottom line is that if you want to consistently earn peoples business (pretty much at any price range) then your stuff needs to work/have proven results.

    If you want to sell press releases as a service then spend the time to REALLY learn what it takes to make them effective by captivating readers through making connections to current events etc.

    Properly positioning your service by initially offering it as a backlinking service until you get the hang of things might make some good sense, so you might want to consider it.


    Best of Luck in Your Pursuits,

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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Justin Mandel View Post

      Hi Ron,

      I don't want to repeat what everyone has previously said here, but the bottom line is that if you want to consistently earn peoples business (pretty much at any price range) then your stuff needs to work/have proven results.

      If you want to sell press releases as a service then spend the time to REALLY learn what it takes to make them effective by captivating readers through making connections to current events etc.

      Properly positioning your service by initially offering it as a backlinking service until you get the hang of things might make some good sense, so you might want to consider it.


      Best of Luck in Your Pursuits,

      Justin

      LOOK!!! More great advice you are going to ignore...

      If you want to do press releases, then just do them...

      If you want to do SEO, then just do it...

      But first, you must stop wasting your time in a forum, asking for advice from people whose opinions you do not respect...

      If you respected our opinions, you would listen, rather than to diminish the advice you have been given and the people giving that advice.


      There are two things that you have accomplished in this thread that maybe you never intended to accomplish...

      You have proven that WE -- your potential client base -- should not trust what you tell us...

      You have also proven that WE -- those who could have helped you in the future -- should never waste our time trying to help you ever again...

      Two thumbs up for being a "arrogant fool" of great stature...
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  • Profile picture of the author souravdas32000
    The problem with this guy is that he is too immature for his age. 2 days ago he send me a PM to add him to his gtalk and then when I send him a chat he tells me he is too busy to chat but can talk if I give him a call. Moreover, I just wanted to know from him how this whole Press Release thing works, but he could not help much and all he did was tell me how many courses and ebooks he has and that I need to buy those to be successful.

    Well like most people here I told Ronak not buy any ebooks and courses as all the information they contain can be found freely all over the net and he should start looking for a real job since he has not found any success in his 4-5 year of internet marketing.

    One thing I realized talking him is that he is too lazy to take any action.
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      Originally Posted by souravdas32000 View Post

      The problem with this guy is that he is too immature for his age. 2 days ago he send me a PM to add him to his gtalk and then when I send him a chat he tells me he is too busy to chat but can talk if I give him a call. Moreover, I just wanted to know from him how this whole Press Release thing works, but he could not help much and all he did was tell me how many courses and ebooks he has and that I need to buy those to be successful.

      Well like most people here I told Ronak not buy any ebooks and courses as all the information they contain can be found freely all over the net and he should start looking for a real job since he has not found any success in his 4-5 year of internet marketing.

      One thing I realized talking him is that he is too lazy to take any action.
      I told you how to make money from a press release.

      It was you who wanted to know how to make money from a release and now you're ditching me on the face by writing absurd comments just because I don't agree with certain people's opinion.

      Sourav, I did tell you how to make money from a press release so you're lying.

      Dare you call me again! I wanted a break so I spoke with you on the phone for long.

      Now I regret helping you. You didn't deserve a bit of my help.

      I really don't understand why you guys are going after me and telling me things like "arrogant fool". I am free to make my choices. If 100 people tell me 10 different things, I am not going to listen to every person's *******.

      What is perfect according to you may not be perfect according to me and vice-versa.

      Yes, I admit I am lazy because I have wrongly learnt that most affiliate marketers are lazy. All these wso's, most of them talk about how easy it is make money online but hey.. what a contradiction! To make money online you need to work hard and smart with a single plan in mind.

      I learn't that a little late. All I lack is proper SEO skills that can drive traffic to my site which I am learning to do. And I ranked #3 once for the first time.

      I have learnt to take action, slowly and gradually. I made my share of mistakes and I learnt that I need to do something else.

      I am gonna get myself a full-time job as an SEO anyway.

      I also learnt that people in this forum don't respect other people as they're.

      I am off from this thread posting for the last time because I am really angry at Bill abusing me which is ridiculous. Bill, go look your self in the mirror first.. you'll find you're a human being and so am I. I may have ADHD and I will get a diagnosis done for myself because I am heavily loaded with information on how to make money online.

      Lastly, I have made money when I took proper action. When I have left some project incomplete, I have not made any money.
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      • Profile picture of the author souravdas32000
        Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

        I told you how to make money from a press release.

        Sourav, I did tell you how to make money from a press release so you're lying.

        Dare you call me again? I wanted a break so I spoke with you on the phone for long.

        Now I regret helping you. You didn't deserve a bit of my help.
        How come you were too busy to type but too free to talk on the phone for 30 minutes? What you told about press release was that you wrote this press release and made $550 and to put links in press releases. Hell if you know how to make money from press releases then why not you put it to work and make the much needed money so that you wont be "desperate".
        It took you 4 years to learn that IM is all about working hard and not being lazy. Hats off... You are the reason most of the "Money Making Secrets" and WSO flourish and sell like crazy.
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          Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

          You truly don't see a problem here?

          Read the two bolded portions that are quoted from YOUR post. If you really don't understand the issue, then you are beyond the help of anyone here.

          People have tried to help you, in this thread and past threads from you. You throw it back in their faces. So go on, then...do what you think and stop asking for advice.

          Next time, just post, "Please come in and agree with me because that is all I want to hear" so we know that you don't really want to hear the truth. Why waste all of our time, when you are going to do what you want anyway. Just go do it.

          Tina
          If 10 people tell me 10 different things to do, do you think I am going to follow each and everyone's advice.

          I am really sorry I can't listen to each and every person else I will go MAD!

          Someone just told me not to promote $1000 commission products so that means I must not promote them. Some may agree that I am not a bad writer and some may say I am pathetic writer! who do you agree with...

          You're expecting me to do everything you say, that's not a good idea.

          If I am going to make a mistake, let it all happen. I learnt from my past mistakes and I will learn from my present mistakes. Experience is the biggest teacher.

          If I am going to learn SEO and practice it daily, I may become an SEO expert in a matter of a few months. I got to start from somewhere.

          Some people were ready to pay $20 for writing a press release like the one I wrote for stompernet which is in the OP. Some people said they'll pay only $5 for the press release I wrote.

          You can't expect me to accept every individual's opinion and advice. It all depends on what I want.
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    Come on... Do you think I would have called you again. I probably have learnt much more about IM in 2 months than you have in 3-4 years.
    I really wonder why any Guru would tell their million dollar making secret for just $2000.
    Pepsi and CocaCola never tells their secret formula to anyone, not even for millions of dollars.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
      Originally Posted by souravdas32000 View Post

      Come on... Do you think I would have called you again. I probably have learnt much more about IM in 2 months than you have in 3-4 years.
      I really wonder why any Guru would tell their million dollar making secret for just $2000.
      Pepsi and CocaCola never tells their secret formula to anyone, not even for millions of dollars.
      Well, you're the BIG expert of IM I suppose!

      Goodluck to you.. BYE!
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      Originally Posted by souravdas32000 View Post

      I really wonder why any Guru would tell their million dollar making secret for just $2000.
      .
      They can make 2 million by selling their system. Most of the time there is no worry about more competition anyway. It is just another revenue stream which most people don't seem to understand.

      If it was a technique that could get saturated, then no, I wouldn't sell it.

      I sell software that allows people to create their own software. Should I just use it myself? Why, when there are a ton if niches I have never heard of that could use this type of software.

      Now, I can make money using my own stuff and selling it to other people so they can make money. I created two revenue streams.
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  • Profile picture of the author souravdas32000
    Nah I am not the expert.
    But I at least know how to do things for free rather than spending money on secret money making ideas.
    Anyways, I was trying to give a proper explanation of your mindset and would still advice you to get a offline real job. If you only want to listen to things you want to hear and cannot take constructive criticism properly, as evident from this thread, IM or rather nay business is not suitable for you.
    Still all the best and best of luck with your Millionaire product, I sure hope it does not advice people to try to participate in KBC (Who Wants To Be Millionaire).
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    Mods,

    Please close this thread, Mods.

    I'll write to helpdesk to close this thread or even delete it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Irish Intuition
      Originally Posted by Ronak Shah View Post

      Mods,

      Please close this thread, Mods.

      I'll write to helpdesk to close this thread or even delete it.

      Ha... I have seen you do this in several threads you start.

      Perhaps the mods need to close your membership
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by IM Viper View Post

        Ha... I have seen you do this in several threads you start.

        Perhaps the mods need to close your membership

        LOL, he had a 24-hour ban from this thread... He certainly did not learn from the experience...

        He came back even more determined to hide his foolishness behind the delete post and delete thread buttons.
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        • Profile picture of the author Irish Intuition
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          LOL, he had a 24-hour ban from this thread... He certainly did not learn from the experience...

          He came back even more determined to hide his foolishness behind the delete post and delete thread buttons.
          He has had a week or two of 'vacation' in the past as well

          Always the victim

          In fact he started one of the ugliest threads I ever saw in the copywriting
          forum. It was chaos and I believe about 3 others were banned with Ron.

          He has learned nothing about how to speak on here just as he has not
          learned a skill he can monetize.... next he'll offer coaching.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by IM Viper View Post

            next he'll offer coaching.
            LOL

            Edit: I have written his sales copy for him, tongue-in-cheek...

            Here is his sales copy:

            You have two choices in this life: you can be a success or a failure...

            Success is overrated, and those who have it are an arrogant lot...

            I have five years of experience with online marketing...

            I have learned a lot in those five years, and I will teach you what I have learned... Hold out your hand...

            I will hold your hand, and help you go where I have gone...

            Your first month under my leadership will only cost $497...

            It will be the most important money anyone has ever given me...

            Don't let those successful people let you stray from what you know is the right thing to do...

            Click here to get started today!!
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            • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              LOL

              Here is his sales copy:

              You have two choices in this life: you can be a success or a failure...

              Success is overrated, and those who have it are an arrogant lot...

              I have five years of experience with online marketing...

              I have learned a lot in those five years, and I will teach you what I have learned... Hold out your hand...

              I will hold your hand, and help you go where I have gone...

              Your first month under my leadership will only cost $497...

              It will be the most important money anyone has ever given me...

              Don't let those successful people let you stray from what you know is the right thing to do...

              Click here to get started today!!
              That is just scary. Oh my God.
              great way to ruin any rep at all.
              yikes
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                Originally Posted by IM Viper View Post

                hahahaha

                And we're arrogant?

                Anyone who says they are located "within your spirit" kinda
                scares me, actually...

                He should worry you...

                If you hire someone to write for you, and you pay them in advance, how would you expect to be contacted about completion of the work?

                Maybe they send an email to your PayPal address or a PM through the WF?

                Someone I know agreed to help him out and give him $10 to write an article.

                And when the work was completed, instead of sending a message and waiting for an answer, he went digging through WhoIs information to find his clients' home telephone number that is not readily available online except in the WhoIs data...

                Had he done it to me, it would be no big deal, because my number is on my website.

                But when he did it to someone who does not publish his telephone number online, that kind of freaks people out.

                It has kind of a stalker feel to it, doesn't it?
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              • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
                You guys - Bill wrote that tongue in cheek. That isn't actually Ronak's copy or offer. It was a joke.

                He's done enough in this thread to shoot himself in the foot, without thinking that he wrote that, too.

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                • Profile picture of the author tpw
                  Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

                  You guys - Bill wrote that tongue in cheek. That isn't actually Ronak's copy or offer. It was a joke.

                  He's done enough in this thread to shoot himself in the foot, without thinking that he wrote that, too.

                  Tina

                  I figured the LOL at the front of it would have made it clear that it was tongue-in-cheek...

                  I edited the original post to make it more obvious...
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                • Profile picture of the author Irish Intuition
                  Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

                  You guys - Bill wrote that tongue in cheek. That isn't actually Ronak's copy or offer. It was a joke.

                  He's done enough in this thread to shoot himself in the foot, without thinking that he wrote that, too.

                  Tina
                  Actually Tina, Bill just wrote the sales copy for Ron's next offer. You watch
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            Originally Posted by IM Viper View Post

            He has had a week or two of 'vacation' in the past as well

            Always the victim

            In fact he started one of the ugliest threads I ever saw in the copywriting
            forum. It was chaos and I believe about 3 others were banned with Ron.

            He has learned nothing about how to speak on here just as he has not
            learned a skill he can monetize.... next he'll offer coaching.
            He already has an "Internet Marketing Coaching" link in his sig.
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              Originally Posted by adamv View Post

              He already has an "Internet Marketing Coaching" link in his sig.
              Sadly that link goes to a StomperNet page...
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              Originally Posted by adamv View Post

              He already has an "Internet Marketing Coaching" link in his sig.
              It is an affiliate link to StomperNet coaching program.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Ronak,

    I have read through this thread and I wish I had the advice you have been given when I was starting out. You still are not getting that when You ask for something people have been good enough to share their valuable time in order to help you.

    You are all over the place with this. What you need to do is sit down. write a business plan. and put that plan into action. Telling people they are picking on you when they have no need to pick on you because they have success in their business is ridiculous.they have taken the time to find what works go through the trial and error of business and are climbing to where they wish to be.

    So instead of looking for someone to pat your back. get off your high horse and get to work. You have as usual been completely disrespectful not only to the advice but to ladies. that is unacceptable and furthermore you then want to tell people off all because you were trying to suck some customers in. and overlooking that fact people offered a helping hand to which you throw dirt in their face.

    At some point you are just going to have 0 responses and be left to figure things out on your own as many of us have had to and are doing.
    Why bother. listen and apply and you will no longer be "desperate for money" desperation does not bring sales-work does.
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  • Profile picture of the author EcommerceBusiness
    My experience using prs. is that their value comes from traffic they generate and link values. Therefore any press release value must be based on it's ability to rank for the target kws (bring in traffic) and 2 use of ANCHOR text in the body and resource section. Of course you have the variable of page authority of the placement etc to contend with too. I use a service that will place 90 prs that I write, I keep the word count to 250 with 2 links in body and 2 links in resource. I always get page one or 2 within a week and they stay there for another cpl. weeks/mths and if I throw links to the prs they can stay longer and get better rankings. The cost to place the links is around $20us I receive a spreadsheet of all urls and will never pay a nickel for placements that might happen through rss.
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    gee am I gullible
    thanks Tina
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Everyone of you is just going after me...

    I am already in need of some cash and you guys are poking fun at me.

    I just hate this kind of arrogance.

    So many people said different things, am I to believe everyone? Enough is enough!

    You can't see my viewpoint here. For sure.

    I see people have tested and experienced things and are trying to help me out. But it's not to be done in an arrogant manner by discouraging me to take action in any areas I want to.

    I am wasting my time explaining things which I think is meaningless in front of some of you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    Ronak,

    Wow I cannot believe you are still with us.... You have blatantly admitted that you have filled your signature with Affiliate products. This is very much against the rules.

    You have basically used this entire thread to advertise your services under the auspices of being desperate. Whether you are or are not desperate it is still against the rules to advertise in the main forum.

    You have been extremely rude to people that have just tried to help you by being honest, which is exactly what you need.

    I think the reason you are still with us is that someone with the power to ban you, hopes that is not necessary and that you can learn. I have only seen good intentions by everyone involved and a blatant rudeness on your part. So I do not know if learning is something you are going to do.

    P.S. someone said to you they would pay you between $1-$3 per 100 words and you called it a joke. Wow $15 for a 500 word article, you should be so lucky.

    EDIT: I apologize I see now everything in your signature is your review sites for products you are affiliating to. Good job on using the rules in your favor, although I feel you are on very thin ice as far as the letter of that rule is concerned.
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  • Profile picture of the author souravdas32000
    Dude Ronak,
    When you come to someone for suggestions and ideas, since you are desperate, they at least expect that you listen politely. Once you have done that you are free to choose what to follow and what to not follow. You can do whatever your heart says or you can follow any one of the suggestions and leave the other ones. You don't go about insulting the people you ask help from.
    As for your condition, we very well know your condition. We all get it. So don't need to waste your time telling us that we don't get your viewpoint.
    It is completely up to you to listen any advice or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Agreed. I apologize to Becky for being rude to her when she was trying to help me.

    But I have a choice. And now my choice is keep my mouth shut because this is not my family anymore!

    I am deeply hurt by Bill because he failed to understand me and abused me.

    I don't like people expecting me to follow their advice every time they speak every word.

    So if people keep posting, I'll let them post.

    I may just delete all my post on this thread and let you people do what you want.
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