Domain Name Issues... Trademarks

by rhab
16 replies
So I just got the following email...

I am writing because you are listed as the Registrant and Administrative Contact and the Technical Contact for #####.com.
"#####" is a registered trademark of #####, Inc and may not be used in a domain name without permission from #####, Inc. Your registration of #####.com is therefore an unlicensed use of the ##### trademark.
#####, Inc. has recently agreed to license the use of its trademark in the name "#####" to another person. Please contact me as soon as possible to arrange transfer of the domain to the person authorized by #####, Inc. to use it. The approved licensee for #####.com will pay you your pro-rated domain registration fees, but no more. I will follow up with you within 10 days. Feel free to contact me before then.
This is not a big company name like nike or anything, it's an established online entity, but in any event it's a trademark apparently so I can respect that.

I was just looking for some advice of the more experienced here when dealing with this type of issue. I own a domain name with part of this entities name in the domain. I bought this to develop eventually, so as of right now I don't even have a website up for it. Obviously now I will not be following through with one.

The matter of fact statement that I am to arrange transfer of the domain to them and terms of what i am to be paid kinda rubs me the wrong way though. Am I really in any kind of legal issue that would require me to give up a domain name that I own? I can see there would be an issue if I had a website up with content, promoting stuff, etc... Even then though wouldn't it be an issue of being required to take down the website, not giving up the actual domain name?

Anyway, just thought I'd ask for some input here. I have no intention of making a big deal of it with this entity or trying to hit them up unrealistically in buying it from me, but I also don't want to be made out to be a push over and giving up a domain if I legally don't have to.

I plan to catch a couple of my friends who are attorney's and ask them about this out of curiosity, but also just wanted to throw it out here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Why be surprised that a company that bothered to register its trademark will take action to protect that trademark? Yes, it could cause legal issues if you infringe on someone's trademark.

    trying to hit them up unrealistically in buying it from me,
    You don't want to go there - there is a law about cybersquatting that might apply. By all means, check with your attorney friends.

    kay
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    If all they are asking for is for you to transfer the domain to them then you are lucky - do it. I had an issue with a Trademarked domain a couple of years ago which cost me a few thousand dollars because the company went straight for the money and not just wanted the domain transferred.

    Trust me, it isn't worth it, you have infringed their trademark you need to transfer it to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ouroboros
    Also, be aware...

    This could be a scam or phishing email, I've got them a few times.

    Make sure that they legally have the rights. Just do the trademark research.

    Don't ask me how, I could do a book about it, just google "trademark research" and use the .gov stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Is Allstate Insurance a trademarked name? Pretty sure it is, yet they can not remove the site allstateinsurancesucks.org even trying to claim trademark infringement.

    Don't be so quick to take the advice you get here, unless your causing confusion in the market place causing delusion of their trademark they can't really do anything except threaten you.

    However, if your are diluting their trademark based on the purpose, focus, and content of your site that is another matter entirely. Diluting of a company's trademark is usually attributed to very large and powerful corporations who's trademark is know nationally or even world wide.

    Infringing on a trademark does not even have to be the use of an identical image or name if what your doing is causing confusion in the market place.

    Again, even what I have said here can and should not be taken as legal advice, it is however what I have learned from reading a few federal court decisions regarding trademark infringement.

    Seek the advice of an attorney, or just wait them out and see if they think they have a "real" case. They probably don't and are just trying to intimidate you.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Search for the trademark here:
    Trademark Search - TESS

    If it is trademarked, give it to them. It isn't a domain that you own if it is a trademark. It is a trademark that THEY own and have to protect to keep. The above example, allstateinsurancesucks.org is Fair Use. It has to be a non-commercial fan site, a review, whether good or bad, or spoof/satire, etc. to fall under Fair Use.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It's true trademark laws isn't carved in stone - so if you have the money to hire attorneys and potentially fight it out in court...up to you.

      I think it's a dumb move to fight for a $10 domain you aren't using - but that's just me. I know the human reaction to someone saying "you must do this" is often "make me". As Sheryl pointed out above - sometimes that's just what they will do and it can be an expensive way to prove a point.

      However, definitely go to TESS and check the trademark registration - takes just a minute and it's a good idea to do that before registering a domain.

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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      I hate to disagree with you because I agree with most of what you post.

      1. We don't know enough about the trademark in question.

      2. If I own an ice cream shop named Russ Wild Ice cream and I spent years building my brand in my town and some one opened an ice cream with the same name in my town I could say trademark delusion and infringement.

      However, if some one opened an ice cream shop with my exact name in another state its very likely not infringement.

      The truth of the matter is that this is the "LAST" place the OP needs to be looking for advice on this matter.



      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Search for the trademark here:
      Trademark Search - TESS

      If it is trademarked, give it to them. It isn't a domain that you own if it is a trademark. It is a trademark that THEY own and have to protect to keep.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Russ - You are definitely right about legal advice on a forum.

        My opinion on this one is due to a domain name that hasn't been used and so is basically worth what the OP paid to register it.

        I guess I don't see it as "giving in" - but one of choosing battles wisely. I think even some attorneys disagree on trademark issues and no telling which way a court decision will fall until the verdict is in.

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        • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
          Think about this.

          If this company that has sent her an email has such a strong trademark why on earth don't they already own the domain?

          The burden of proof is on the plaintiff not the defendant.

          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Russ - You are definitely right about legal advice on a forum.

          My opinion on this one is due to a domain name that hasn't been used and so is basically worth what the OP paid to register it.

          I guess I don't see it as "giving in" - but one of choosing battles wisely. I think even some attorneys disagree on trademark issues and no telling which way a court decision will fall until the verdict is in.

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          • Profile picture of the author davezan
            Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

            If this company that has sent her an email has such a strong trademark why on earth don't they already own the domain?
            If you mean why they haven't registered the domain name before the OP did,
            are you able to proactively register any and all domain variations of your own
            TM/s, if any?

            Depending on how much resources the company has in question, it might not
            or might be practical.
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  • Profile picture of the author Meharis
    Originally Posted by rhab View Post


    The matter of fact statement that I am to arrange transfer of the domain to them and terms of what i am to be paid kinda rubs me the wrong way though.
    I understand but the law is the law...
    However, if this matter is affecting your ego, I would try telling that
    you wont be doing a thing with the domain and let it expire.
    This way they can not claim you will "causing confusion in the
    market place." (Rus Sells quote)
    Anyhow, first check with your lawyer before responding the letter.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    1. We have no details on the trademark in question.

    2. We are not attorneys.

    3. Even if you are in the right you can still be sued and lose thousands defending yourself.

    The only right answer in situations like this is to get actual legal advice. No one here can defend you in court, even if their advice is correct.
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  • Profile picture of the author rhab
    Thanks for the input. Believe me I realize that the advice/input here is not legal advice. However I know it is an issue that marketers do face in our circles so I was basically just getting a quick feel from those who may have had experience in this type of situation.

    I don't have any intention or desire to make this a big deal, I've owned the domain for at least a year now and have not developed it yet, so it isn't like it's one of my babies. My only concern is whether or not I'm potentially in a legal issue that I actually need to direct my attention to significantly and in a timely manner.

    Getting this email with the tone that I have to transfer it with no questions asked and as a matter of fact just struck me funny. Especially since I have no actual website up so I'm not representing, promoting, or doing anything else to the name. My first impression was that it was a bluff to get the domain straight out from me. And admittedly that doesn't sit well with me lol. NowI'm over that and I'm just really curious if it is a bluff or I am legally bound to give it up.

    As was touched on above, because I have no website up, I haven't made any money from the name, am not representing, promoting, or associating myself to this entity. So like Rus mentioned, i don't think it's an issue of diluting their trademark. In regards to what sbucciarel said, what I had planned for the site sounds like it would fall under fair use.

    In any event, I do appreciate the input and the link to TESS. I've already talked to my attorney and she's looking into it.

    Thanks to everyone for taking the time to add their input.
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  • Profile picture of the author good2go4
    I received something similar from ebay yesterday about a new domain my husband had bought that included the ebay name - I had totally forgotten about the whole "tradename" issues but all the email asked was that we not put content on the site and that it just get held by us until it expired naturally - it was a dot info afterall so it was no big deal but it makes me wonder about smaller companies (assuming the one that got in touch with you was) making a fuss and insisting on having the domain transferred? Is this a common thing online?

    Just wondering
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggerHigh
    Wait for the snail mail. Any real lawyer will send out hardcopy.
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