Google is Fricken Strange...

by KeithJ
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I usually rank fairly well for a highly competitive keyword on Google for the Keyword "Internet Business".

I'm usually on page 1 usually trailing right behind Terry Dean's and Frank Black's blog.

But the last 2 weeks those results have been changing hourly... 1 minute I will be #1 on page 1 and then drop to #5 on page 2 and then an hour later I will not even be anywhere in the first 5 pages...

The other thing I notice is that where I fall in the results depends on what browser I am checking it from. I get different results for IE 8, FireFox and Chrome consistently every time.

I check from different connections on different computers at different locations and the results are the same... Every few hours the rankings switch...

It's crazy... Are that many people optimizing all at the same time to constantly change the results that often and that quick?

Keith
#fricken #google #strange
  • Profile picture of the author Owen Smith
    If you are trying to rank for a keyword thathigh in competition, you will find the constant jump, until you prove to google that you are the sole leader. More backlinks = more stability.

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  • Profile picture of the author dadamson
    Yeah google can be very strange like that. Do you have different locations setup on the different browsers? Do the results change whether you are logged in to your google account or logged out?

    A major reason it seems people are optimizing so regularly is often a result of automated software creating loads of backlinks or articles etc. This could very well be the reason for the fluctuation for a keyword like this.

    Just build some high pr permanent links to attempt to steady your rankings and gradually overtakethe competition
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  • Profile picture of the author KeithJ
    Hey Thanks Guys...

    Yeah I have some solid back links already but of course I guess you can never have too many quality authority links.

    Also one thing is that my site has been around only 10 months... the others that I am consistently chasing and sometimes beating in the rankings (Terry Dean and Frank Black)
    have had their sites up for multiple years...

    I guess I'm NOT doing too bad...

    Just the constant jumping the last 2 weeks seemed weird

    Keith
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    • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
      Hi Keith

      Keep adding those quality backlinks - we are sure you will eventually knock the other two off their perch and be the number one.

      Remember these guys have been in that spot for years - you've only been in it for less than 10 months - kudos to you.

      Regards

      Bronwyn and Keith
      Originally Posted by KeithJ View Post

      Hey Thanks Guys...

      Yeah I have some solid back links already but of course I guess you can never have too many quality authority links.

      Also one thing is that my site has been around only 10 months... the others that I am consistently chasing and sometimes beating in the rankings (Terry Dean and Frank Black)
      have had their sites up for multiple years...

      I guess I'm NOT doing too bad...

      Just the constant jumping the last 2 weeks seemed weird

      Keith
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      • Profile picture of the author KeithJ
        Originally Posted by bronke13 View Post

        Hi Keith

        Keep adding those quality backlinks - we are sure you will eventually knock the other two off their perch and be the number one.

        Remember these guys have been in that spot for years - you've only been in it for less than 10 months - kudos to you.

        Regards

        Bronwyn and Keith
        Thanks,... I just checked again in Google Chrome and I'm back on the first page in position #1 beating both those guys... But I am sure it will change again in a second

        Keith
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  • Profile picture of the author dawnbreaker
    I suggest that you backlink on a high PR+5 blogs.... If you do backlinks on 10 PR+5 blogs it is equal somehow to 500 normal backlinks with no PR...


    It can help you in that manner.
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    • Profile picture of the author KeithJ
      Originally Posted by dawnbreaker View Post

      If you do backlinks on 10 PR+5 blogs it is equal somehow to 500 normal backlinks with no PR...
      Really? I would like to see and learn the process how this was calculated... If what you say is true and if PR really does have any real meaning then this would be significant...

      Thanks for the tip

      Keith
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      • Profile picture of the author dawnbreaker
        Originally Posted by KeithJ View Post

        Really? I would like to see and learn the process how this was calculated... If what you say is true and if PR really does have any real meaning then this would be significant...

        Thanks for the tip

        Keith

        I have read this tip on a PDF file from my friends... And the other calculation on backlinkings.... And it is great, they include me a special google command to find the relevant sites


        P.S. I forgot to mention that the 10 blogs with PR5+ will work on relevant blogs.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by KeithJ View Post

          Thanks,... I just checked again in Google Chrome and I'm back on the first page in position #1 beating both those guys... But I am sure it will change again in a second
          Keith,

          Are you aware that Google will serve up personalized results to show you webpages you have gone to before near the top in your searches?

          In other words, you could rank for a keyword/phrase on your browsers that others wouldn't even see. They could and would see different results.

          Here's a fast way to screw with your rankings...keep searching Google for the keyword/phrase you want to rank for and continue to let them know that what they are showing you is irrelevent because you fail to find any of the results 'clickable'.

          If you really want to find out what your true ranking is you need to use a third party asset to do the searching. If you keep doing it yourself through your browsers you may find you keep telling Google that your site is not something you want showing up in the serps. Their algorithm will record all your searches and pool that in with the rest of the data.

          If others are doing the same as you...looking for the same competitive keyword/phrase, and nobody is actually clicking on any of the serp results you'll get what many folks find. A boatload of "monthly searches" and no traffic to your website.

          Just food for thought.

          ~Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author Trapped
    Well put Bill, aside the fact that his search queries, on that term...could be a fraction of the real search queries done for that specific phrase during that hour/day.

    What I want to ask the OP is, do you see an increase of traffic during the period when you see yourself as #1 and the vice versa when you see yourself on #15 ? If there is no different in traffic terms, then it might be the case of personalized search as Bill mentioned (and no, personalized search doesn't mean only when you are logged in).

    However, if you do see a difference in traffic through google organic, then your case is a dance, keep on with the link building at slow rates but from quality resources until you don't see things get stable.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by Trapped View Post

      aside the fact that his search queries, on that term...could be a fraction of the real search queries done for that specific phrase during that hour/day.
      Yes that's true, and if none of the others searching that specific phrase click on his site Google will also see his site has little relevence and may decide it's not worth devoting their prime real estate to.

      You won't stay at the top of the serps unless 'real' people click on your links.

      Google is the king of split testing. They take into consideration the real world dynamics of search. If nobody clicks through to your website, or folks consistantly click the back button immediately after clicking through, Google accounts for this.

      ~Bill
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      • Profile picture of the author KeithJ
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        Yes that's true, and if none of the others searching that specific phrase click on his site Google will also see his site has little relevence and may decide it's not worth devoting their prime real estate to.

        You won't stay at the top of the serps unless 'real' people click on your links.

        Google is the king of split testing. They take into consideration the real world dynamics of search. If nobody clicks through to your website, or folks consistantly click the back button immediately after clicking through, Google accounts for this.

        ~Bill
        Bill, I am just curious have you done some statistical research on such things? I am curious of getting validated statistical data on such things you speak of. If everything you say is dead-on 100% accurate then it is HUGE.

        Thanks
        Keith
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by KeithJ View Post

          Bill, I am just curious have you done some statistical research on such things? I am curious of getting validated statistical data on such things you speak of. If everything you say is dead-on 100% accurate then it is HUGE.
          Keith,

          If you are familiar with Google Adwords you know they track CTRs of the advertisers. The same goes for search results. If either of those two produces less than expected results they change the order in which they show them to the public.

          In the case of Adwords they may jack the price to the advertiser or simply deactivate the keyword for that advertiser using Quality Score as one of the reasons. There's a little more to it than that but this isn't about Adwords.

          The front page of G is just as valuable to them as it is to webmasters. Leaving 'back button specials' or sites that no one cares about near the top of the serps is counter productive. To everyone, searchers included.

          It's nice to believe that it's possible to put up crap and get a first page ranking because you crushed it with your backlinking strategy, but if your efforts don't yield real clicks then don't count on being up near the top for very long.

          If you ran Google would you just allow the person with the most backlinks to dominate a keyword? Of course not, you'd like to see relevent content provided to your searchers.

          But the world of keywords/keyphrases is huge with many long tail keyphrases being typed in for the first time. So until the public votes on which websites are valid and which ones are just spam, it's possible to rank well for any given keyword/keyphrase for a period of time.

          And to answer your question about "doing some statistical research on such things" the answer is no. I have had a website up since the late nighties and have watched as others have targeted the keywords that I rank well for and have seen a few rank highly with crap content and a boatload of backlinks only to disappear within a few weeks or days.

          My niche is a very closed niche and all the players know each other. It is somewhat humorus to watch people try to rank in that niche because most of our website are a decade or older with very few backlinks campaigns run by the webmasters. We're in ecommerce, and you can't game that niche unless you have the infrastructure to back it up. Yet newbies still try and all they get for their effort is a brief moment in the sunshine before the general public votes them out. You can only fool people once or twice with a junk site where others have the real goods.

          I know a lot of folks will argue with my point of view and so be it. I can only give you my perceived experience from a few years of playing the game. So take everything I say with a grain of salt.

          It's not hard to test this theory out, mind you. All you need to do is pick a keyword/keyphrase, put up a less than stellar site, backlink the begezzus out of it and see how long you stay at the top if you do get a good ranking. Then you can use that as a statistical model if you document it well.

          And one other thing to keep in mind...if you do have a so-so site, yet people click on it such that you show G it's presenting links of relevence, then even a junk site can remain near the top of the serps. But no click throughs, or instant back button reactions, and you won't remain relevent for long.

          ~Bill
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          • Profile picture of the author KeithJ
            Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

            Keith,

            If you are familiar with Google Adwords you know they track CTRs of the advertisers. The same goes for search results. If either of those two produces less than expected results they change the order in which they show them to the public.

            In the case of Adwords they may jack the price to the advertiser or simply deactivate the keyword for that advertiser using Quality Score as one of the reasons. There's a little more to it than that but this isn't about Adwords.

            The front page of G is just as valuable to them as it is to webmasters. Leaving 'back button specials' or sites that no one cares about near the top of the serps is counter productive. To everyone, searchers included.

            It's nice to believe that it's possible to put up crap and get a first page ranking because you crushed it with your backlinking strategy, but if your efforts don't yield real clicks then don't count on being up near the top for very long.

            If you ran Google would you just allow the person with the most backlinks to dominate a keyword? Of course not, you'd like to see relevent content provided to your searchers.

            But the world of keywords/keyphrases is huge with many long tail keyphrases being typed in for the first time. So until the public votes on which websites are valid and which ones are just spam, it's possible to rank well for any given keyword/keyphrase for a period of time.

            And to answer your question about "doing some statistical research on such things" the answer is no. I have had a website up since the late nighties and have watched as others have targeted the keywords that I rank well for and have seen a few rank highly with crap content and a boatload of backlinks only to disappear within a few weeks or days.

            My niche is a very closed niche and all the players know each other. It is somewhat humorus to watch people try to rank in that niche because most of our website are a decade or older with very few backlinks campaigns run by the webmasters. We're in ecommerce, and you can't game that niche unless you have the infrastructure to back it up. Yet newbies still try and all they get for their effort is a brief moment in the sunshine before the general public votes them out. You can only fool people once or twice with a junk site where others have the real goods.

            I know a lot of folks will argue with my point of view and so be it. I can only give you my perceived experience from a few years of playing the game. So take everything I say with a grain of salt.

            It's not hard to test this theory out, mind you. All you need to do is pick a keyword/keyphrase, put up a less than stellar site, backlink the begezzus out of it and see how long you stay at the top if you do get a good ranking. Then you can use that as a statistical model if you document it well.

            And one other thing to keep in mind...if you do have a so-so site, yet people click on it such that you show G it's presenting links of relevence, then even a junk site can remain near the top of the serps. But no click throughs, or instant back button reactions, and you won't remain relevent for long.

            ~Bill
            Thanks for the input Bill I really do appreciate it...

            By the way, your eye-ball graphic in your signature keeps making me think of Boobs.

            Keith
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        Google is the king of split testing.
        No Bill, I have to disagree with you there.

        I know a guy in Mississippi that won a trophy for this and his watermelon seed went a lot farther than....oh, split testing...

        Never mind
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by Matt Maiden View Post

          No Bill, I have to disagree with you there.

          I know a guy in Mississippi that won a trophy for this and his watermelon seed went a lot farther than....oh, split testing...

          Never mind
          Matt,

          I went rabbit hunting the other day with my bow and arrows. I saw two rabbits huddled together and thought I'd take them both out with the same arrow. I missed, and they took off for the hills in opposite directions. I thought I had them dead to rights but it turns out I was just splitting hares. :rolleyes:

          ~Bill
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    • Profile picture of the author KeithJ
      Originally Posted by dawnbreaker View Post

      I suggest that you backlink on a high PR+5 blogs.... If you do backlinks on 10 PR+5 blogs it is equal somehow to 500 normal backlinks with no PR...


      It can help you in that manner.
      Originally Posted by Trapped View Post

      Well put Bill, aside the fact that his search queries, on that term...could be a fraction of the real search queries done for that specific phrase during that hour/day.

      What I want to ask the OP is, do you see an increase of traffic during the period when you see yourself as #1 and the vice versa when you see yourself on #15 ? If there is no different in traffic terms, then it might be the case of personalized search as Bill mentioned (and no, personalized search doesn't mean only when you are logged in).

      However, if you do see a difference in traffic through google organic, then your case is a dance, keep on with the link building at slow rates but from quality resources until you don't see things get stable.

      Actually Yes... There was a period of about 2 months where I seemed to consistently rank in the top 5 results on page 1 for "internet business" and yes I saw an increase in traffic during those 2 months and more people hitting my site with the keyword phrase "internet business".

      Keith
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  • Profile picture of the author bobby_shahzad
    this happens with google. You cant be on top every time. it can vary
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